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How To Be Baptized

How should one be baptized? Colossians 2:12,"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Can you be buried by sprinkling?

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//Rob on 3/15/11 Even though this MYSTERY is clearly written in SCRIPTURE most churches avoid teaching it like it's some type of plague//
Amen,
And most individuals avoid it, because it dosen't line up with much of the blenderized tradition, they have been taught
---michael_e on 3/16/11


michael e, to had to your comment on 3/9/11, I find it to be amazing people will sit in a church pews day after day, week after week, and year after year.

Yet they are totaly ignorant concerning the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL.

Even though this MYSTERY is clearly written in SCRIPTURE, most churches avoid teaching it like it's some type of plague
---Rob on 3/15/11


//How is it you don't see anyone else preaching the resurrection//

Because no one else preached the need of belief in the death burial and resurrection for salvation.

Acts 2:38: Acts 3:19,20 etc. compared to 1Cor 15:1-4 not the same.
---michael_e on 3/15/11


michael e,
Acts 4:21-22 should have been 1:21-22.

Acts 15, Paul and Barnabas were there, too. V2 they had dissension
v4 arrived at Jerusalem
v5 Pharisees preached circumcision
v6 apostles and elders together
v7 Peter said to the Pharisees...the Gentiles would hear the word of "The Gospel" and believe
v8 God gave them the Holy Spirit Just As Us
v9He made No Distinction between us and them
v11 we are saved In The Same Way As They Also Are

Peter said "the gospel" not "their gospel"

1Peter 1:3 His great mercy has caused us to be born again...through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

How is it you don't see anyone else preaching the resurrection?
---James_Lmichael_e on 3/14/11


James L
The body of Christ was exclusive to Paul
Acts 4:21-22, Acts 4:1-2 says nothing like Paul's gospel
Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
the leaders of the jerusalem church was Peter, James and John, where do you find them preaching the belief in the death, burial and resurrection for salvation?
---michael_e on 3/14/11




\\He taught only one message which included jew and gentile, his gospel 1Cor 15:1-4\\
---michael_e on 3/14/11

Are you suggesting that some Jews were in the Body, and some were out?

All the apostles preached the resurrection. That wasn't exclusive to Paul

Acts 4:21-22
it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us...one of these must become a witness "WITH US" of His resurrection.

Acts 4:1-2
the priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to them, being greatly disturbed because "THEY" were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
---James_L on 3/14/11


Now clearly Didache was previewing adults or how can you make an infant fast and pray two days
---andy3996

Amen Andy. Many who are orthodox and RCC claim to follow the Bible and Early Chruch Fathers. But this points out they put traditon above both. Thank you.
---Samuel on 3/14/11


didache aprox 96 AD
"Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," in running water,
But if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before".

Now clearly Didache was previewing adults or how can you make an infant fast and pray two days
---andy3996 on 3/14/11


DIDACHE:"Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," in running water, But if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before".
Now clearly Didache was refering to adult baptism and full immersion. NOTE fast prayers and confession of faith, also the triune formula.
---andy3996 on 3/14/11


James L, Paul is our pattern for living in the body of Christ, being the first.
He taught only one message which included jew and gentile, his gospel 1Cor 15:1-4
---michael_e on 3/14/11




michael e,
I agree that Paul said we are raised "with" Christ.

That's the point I am trying to make about Romans 6:4 We are buried "with" Him in baptism. Raised "with" Him. Dead to sin, alive to God. Freedom of the conscience from the guilt of sin, so that we no longer carry it around as a reminder of the Law, which would keep us bound and living in more disobedience

Baptism is not a religious word, as most would purport. It simply means "dip" "wash" or "immerse". Mark 7:4 says cups and pots were baptized. Context supplies the application

Paul is our pattern in suffering. It does not say that he was our pattern for teaching one message to Jews and one to Gentiles
---James_L on 3/13/11


James_L with respect,
Possibly you are missing somethings by mixing somethings.
Col. 2 says ""ye are risen with him" not out of Him

2Pet.3 Acts 2: 1John 1:9
Gal.2 tells who Peter, and the 11 dealt with.

the risen Christ revealed to Paul, who, for us to follow as members of the body of Christ.
1Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me FIRST(not last or #13) Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe(1Cor 15:1-4) on him to life everlasting
1 Cor.1:17 ..Christ sent me not to baptize,.. the 12 couldn't say this
If Paul(not sent to baptize)is our pattern, how can water baptism be part of our so called great commission?
---michael_e on 3/13/11


michael e,
I don't believe we are taken out of the Body of Christ.

Considering baptism is analogous of Christ's burial and resurrection, it would correspond to His experience.

He was raised out of that which He was buried into, so we would be too.

If our "burial" is into the Body of Christ, then our "raised" must be Out Of the Body of Christ.


2Peter 3:21 equates baptism with the water of Noah. He also says it is a washing of the conscience. I believe water baptism would be our intial temporal "cleansing" or forgiveness. Just as in Acts 2:38, temporal forgiveness for believers.

After that, God cleanses through confession of sins (1John 1:9)
---James_L on 3/12/11


I still have to appeal to all the mentions of water baptism. There are ways to reconcile scriptural difficulties without dismissing half of the New Testament. ---James_L on 3/12/11

in most cases, this leads to a mixed gospel of religious 'circles' that have no real power within. perhaps, it denies the true progression of the new creature in the full revelation of Jesus Christ. Belief in Christ has always required a leap of faith out of what we know as opposed into what is being revealed.
---aka on 3/12/11


//James_L on 3/12//
1. Why would you think that once you were placed into the body of Christ that you would have to taken(raised) out of it?
2.If you believe as you say //One Unifying Baptism// maybe you could explain what possible good water baptism would do.
---michael_e on 3/12/11


michael e,
that still doesn't answer the question.

Jesus was "buried", and then He was "raised" out of that which He was buried into.

So if "buried" in Rom 6:4 means into the Body of Christ, then "raised" must be out of the Body of Christ.

I have become persuaded that Eph 4:5 is spirit baptism, but I believe you are straining the words One Baptism, considering the context is unity.

I don't believe that means there is only one baptism, period. One Unifying Baptism, yes. One baptism period, no.

I still have to appeal to all the mentions of water baptism. There are ways to reconcile scriptural difficulties without dismissing half of the New Testament.
---James_L on 3/12/11


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//---James_L on 3/11/11 michael e, you didn't answer my question//
1. you don't have to concede, (Eph.4:5 One baptism)
2.//then what does it mean to be raised?//
just as you are placed spiritually into the body of Christ(you are not placed into His body physically)
you are raised with him ( from spiritual death, not physical)

hope this helps.
---michael_e on 3/12/11


Our Apostle Paul has given that we have been baptized "into His death." So, the one right way to be baptized is "into His death". And how does God do this with us? What does this involve?

"Can you be buried by sprinkling?" Yes, you can if you sprinkle enough (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/11/11


michael e,
you didn't answer my question. Suppose I were to concede the point that spiritual baptism is the ONLY baptism for the Body of Christ,

then what does it mean to be raised?

Buried in baptism is "immersed into the BoC",

Then raised must be "displaced from the BoC", right?
---James_L on 3/11/11


When the believer trusts Christ as Savior, "by one Spirit (he is) "baptized into one body (1 Cor 12:13) "baptized into Christ" (Gal 3:27). No human rite or ceremony can place the believer "into Christ." the "one baptism" (Eph 4:5) of the "one body" is performed by "one Spirit"-not by preacher or priest.

The positional truth of being "into Christ," is this Spirit baptism. So completely adequate is our position in Christ by this Spirit performed baptism that we are told:

"And YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM..." (Col 2:10).
---michael_e on 3/11/11


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michael e,
Considering that Paul used baptism as an analogy for Christ going in the tomb and coming back out of the tomb:

He says we are "immersed", then we are raised.

Just as Christ went into the tomb, we are "immersed".

Just as Christ was raised, so we are raised.

Does this mean to you that we are "immersed" into the Body of Christ, then we are raised back out of the Body of Christ?
---James_L on 3/10/11


\\If you are going to baptise your infant then wash him while you are at it. That way it won't all be a vain practice.\\

As I've said here and repeatedly elsewhere, Elder, Orthodox baptize by three total immersions, including infants.

Didn't you notice that?
---Cluny on 3/10/11


//that the Holy Spirit places you INTO the body of Christ(not a body of water) //

and most likely not in an informal event or formal ceremony (or a series thereof).
---aka on 3/10/11


//How should one be baptized?//

Just as our apostle Paul indicates in Rom 6, 1Cor 12 Gal 3, Eph 4, Col.2 clear indications that the Holy Spirit places you INTO the body of Christ(not a body of water)
---michael_e on 3/10/11


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"And, there is nothing in the Bible forbidding someone from shooting another person with a .45 ACP Glock. " (Elder)

Uh? I thought Scriptures forbid hurting or murdering another person?

Remember, Sola Scriptura is your man-made dogma, not Scriptures. Scripture does not forbid Infant Baptism, either directly or indirectly. Your rejection of it is based on your church's tradition.

"If you are going to baptise your infant then wash him while you are at it."

In matter of fact, we do. Infant Baptism is practiced in Orthodoxy (and other Ancient Apostolic Churches in the East) by full triple immersion.

You thought we "sprinkle" Infants with water in their Baptism?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/10/11


"And there's nothing in it forbidding infant baptism."
Cluny
And, there is nothing in the Bible forbidding someone from shooting another person with a .45 ACP Glock. That is when your common sence must compare Scripture and understand the whole.
If you are going to baptise your infant then wash him while you are at it. That way it won't all be a vain practice.
---Elder on 3/10/11


\\ and in the Didache which many Orthodox claim to follow as a book from the Early Church Fathers they state a person must first be a diciple. Babies are not disciples until they can be taught.
\\

First off, Orthodox do not follow the Didache, and never claimed so, so you are engaging in bearing false witness against us.

Next, the Didache simply describes what the Orthodox Church has always done.

And there's nothing in it forbidding infant baptism.
---Cluny on 3/10/11


In my Bible and in the Didache which many Orthodox claim to follow as a book from the Early Church Fathers they state a person must first be a diciple. Babies are not disciples until they can be taught.

So infant baptism does not follow either the bible or early church fathers.
---Samuel on 3/10/11


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//Flails// Did Mima mean fails?
//Disgust// Did Mima mean discussed?
---Pedant on 3/10/11


For all his intelligence Cluny flails the crucial exercise of questioning anything fed to him by his chosen church.
---mima on 3/9/11

I enjoy CTV. Cluny one of few that does test.....almost everything. Annoyingly at times,like rest of us. $ome get frustrating with Cluny's probes/prods. The maddest always claiming to be experts,preacher$,teacher,pa$tors,wolves etc. Never able provide answers/witnesses to prove their position.
They don't have these:
Psalm 119:24
Thy testimonies also are my delight, my counselors.
Psalm 119:99
I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
Psalm 119:157
Many are my persecutors and mine enemies, yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.
---Trav on 3/10/11


\\No baby can fulfill the qualification of truly believeing there baptizing infants is wrong!!
---mima on 3/9/11\\

Oh, really?

Even secular studies have revealed that babies know and understand more of what's going on than we used to think.

Faith is a relationship, mima, and it's one in which God takes the initiative, and we know from many passages in the Bible that it's a relationship that DOES start in infancy.

You are going with a strictly modern, secular, and rationalistic definition of "faith", mima. Not a Biblical one.
---Cluny on 3/10/11


Why would you forbid the little ones to come to Jesus through the waters of baptism, Elder?
---Cluny on 3/9/11

Cluny...little ones, yes...infants, no.
Scripture clearly says that "you believe" and then are baptized.
---JIM on 3/10/11


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So Cluny are you or ar you not saying that you were "saved" by baptism? Com'on now be as aggressive about answering this as you are about jumping other things. No toe tapping or dancing around... Were you saved by baptism?
---Elder on 3/10/11


\\For all his intelligence Cluny flails the crucial exercise of questioning anything fed to him by his chosen church.
---mima on 3/9/11\\

And you never question what gets fed to you, do you?

When i was a Baptist (before I got saved), there were two contradictory doctrines floating in my head on this very subject that are still preached from Baptist pulpits.

1. Baptism MUST be by immersion.
2. Baptism has NOTHING to do with salvation.

This is one of the things that led me to Christ's true Church, mima.

BTW--you discussed me.
---Cluny on 3/9/11


Qualification to be baptized is disgust in Acts 8:36-37.

"36-And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water, what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37-And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

No baby can fulfill the qualification of truly believeing there baptizing infants is wrong!!
---mima on 3/9/11


For all his intelligence Cluny flails the crucial exercise of questioning anything fed to him by his chosen church.
---mima on 3/9/11


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In the Earliest Christian Manuel the Didache. It states Baptism is to be by immersion except in desert situations where not enough water is available.

I hear many times how we should follow the early church fathers. But when they contridict popular doctrine then they are ignored.

Will the person who does not know better be lost. No. Will the person who took away from the word of GOD and changed it to make it more convient?
---Samuel on 3/9/11


"Why would you forbid the little ones to come to Jesus through the waters of baptism, Elder?"
Cluny
Because baptism does not save. I would have thought, Cluny, that with your vast knowledge you would have known that. Or, are YOU "saved" because you were baptised?
---Elder on 3/9/11


\\Why would someone baptize a baby?
---Elder on 3/9/11\\

Following the example set in 1 Cor 10 how they were ALL--including infants--baptized in the cloud and the sea.

Fulfilling the Prophecy of St. Peter in Acts 2: "This promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN."

And obeying the command of Jesus, "Let the little ones come to Me and do not forbid them."

Why would you forbid the little ones to come to Jesus through the waters of baptism, Elder?
---Cluny on 3/9/11


It is very evident that folks don't understand Salvation or Baptism. To prove the point...."Immersion, pouring and sprinkling are equally valid for infants though adults."
Why would someone baptize a baby?
---Elder on 3/9/11

I agree Elder. It is not in scripture.
---JIM on 3/9/11


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It is very evident that folks don't understand Salvation or Baptism. To prove the point...."Immersion, pouring and sprinkling are equally valid for infants though adults."
Why would someone baptize a baby?
---Elder on 3/9/

Why would you keep infants from Jesus "Jesus said, Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.
---Ruben on 3/9/11


If this is meant as a slap against the Roman Catholics, mima, you should know that they POUR and do not sprinkle.

While baptism should normally be done by triple immersion, I will agree with you, blogger, that making an issue of the amount of water is like making an issue over how many anointings are given to the sick, or how big a serving of Communion elements.
---Cluny on 3/9/11


---Blogger9211 while the following statement may be true,"This topic has been beat to death previously" it has yet to affect your cavalier attitude towards baptism as illustrated in your statement,"Immersion, pouring and sprinkling are equally valid for infants though adults".
---mima on 3/9/11


Mima: 'Can you be buried by sprinkling?'. I would take it that you can, as long as you beleive you ARE buried. It IS a symbolic act, and so the important part is that person being baptised accepts he/she IS being buried

If that is the case, as blogger stated, the amount of water is not important
---Peter on 3/9/11


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It is very evident that folks don't understand Salvation or Baptism. To prove the point...."Immersion, pouring and sprinkling are equally valid for infants though adults."
Why would someone baptize a baby?
---Elder on 3/9/11


//---Rob on 3/8/11//

Rob, you are 100% right, it is just hard for most to understand
---michael_e on 3/9/11


This topic has been beat to death previously.

The volume of liquid is merely symbolic.

The early church was under persecution and it was more important to get a family baptized than waiting for good weather for an immersion baptism. Immersion, pouring and sprinkling are equally valid for infants though adults.
---Blogger9211 on 3/8/11


"baptism" means "dipt honor", and the Christian baptism is done in the water, either in the riverside or at the side of a seashore or in a baptismal or in a pool, and I even heard of a person being baptized in a bath tub.
---Eloy on 3/8/11


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Those who insist that "BAPTISIM" is needed, are those who do not know the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL!

This MYSTERY was kept secrect from the foundation of the world until it was REVEALED TO THE APOSTLE PAUL!!!
---Rob on 3/8/11


When someone dies do you think sprinkling a small amount of dirt on them would be acceptable? Baptism is symbolic of the old sinful man's death.Total immersion under water symbolizes burial. Then coming out of the water is symbolic of resurrection to a new life in Christ. So.... What do you think? Would sprinkling a small amount of water on someone's head be symbolic of death, burial & resurrection to you?
---Reba on 3/8/11


While in the Orthodox Church total triple immersion is the normal mode of baptism, she also recognizes that there are unusual situations where this is impractical.

In such cases you come as close as you can to the norm.
---Cluny on 3/8/11


Depends on how long you sprinkle!!!!!!
---KarenD on 3/8/11


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