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End Times 70 AD

OK, so now we have an increase of earthquakes, pestilence, famines, etc. But what one prophesy tells when the end will occur? The generation that saw Israel become a nation (learn this lesson from the fig tree). The question is: how long is a generation (according to the bible).

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Jude tells us Enoch was the 7th generation from Adam. So I guess it depends on what God means by Generations. Is it in actual years like 33 or 100?

Genesis 2:4..Generations of the heavens, also a different Hebrew word and meaning...

The word used in that verse ( this generation will not pass until) is a different word 1074, meaning a time, NATION, age. It could mean a dispensation of time.

1075, is regarding trace by genealogy, or count by descent.

Look up the word and read all veses with that exact meaning to get a better Idea.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/11


thanks ijack and zach,

maybe that is why i could not find the scripture that pertains to what has been said for so many years.

anyway, the word used is 'gennema'. this does not have to do with a specific period of time. it seems it has more to do with offspring or certain groups of people.
---aka on 3/12/11


We have "more" earthquakes, etc. . . . or more media reporting of these things???

Well, we do have more people to overpopulate the earth so there is more trouble with pestilences and famines.

How long is a "generation"? It depends on the generation you are talking about. Also, does God mean the flesh and blood nation of Israel, or the Israel of those obedient to God in His peace (Colossians 3:15)??? "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh, but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit" (in Romans 2:28-29)
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/11/11


The comment on the fig tree and all the trees has to do with the fig tree doing what all of the trees naturally do.
Israel became a nation May 14th 1948, just like the others.
---Elder on 3/11/11


---Rod4Him my source for research is----

Luke 21:11, "And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences, and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven."

Months from what? Who knows but as we move closer to the end of time more and more tragic things will happen closer to each other.

Since much of the low lands in Japan were flooded you can expect hunger to show up very soon. Certainly not months more like days.
---mima on 3/11/11




Rod4Him:

1290 years from 600 BC (when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Temple and stopped the regular sacrifice) would bring us to 690 AD (the exact year that the Dome of the Rock was finished). The Dome of the Rock is the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.

690 AD is the beginning of the Islamic Jihad against Christendom. By 711 AD Christianity was virtually eradicated from the Holy Land, and the Moslems then invaded Spain, marched through and entered France.

In the 1335th year (735 AD) the Mohammedian army was finally defeated at the battle of Tours in France. Those Christians who lived to see Islam's defeat were indeed blessed!
---Lutherist on 3/11/11


Bingo! Mima You got it!
---Elder on 3/11/11


I believe Scripture represents generations as individuals or groups of a specific time period who are in power or control. For example, the older Israelites like Moses, the leaders, were the generation that did not make it to the Promised Land. However, Caleb and Joshua were alive during the Exodus but yet were not considered part of that generation. Matthew 1:17 describes three sets of fourteen generations and the number of years in each generation are not equal. So I don't think you can describe a generation by number of years.
---Zach9876 on 3/11/11


mima, do some research, and you'll find that these major quakes (over 8.0) happen about once a year.

However, this surely doesn't diminish the trajedy in Japan. We need to pray for them.

Months till what?

The Essenes at Qumran thought the end times were near. I guess it was for them, but not the way they thought.
---Rod4Him on 3/11/11


It is Friday morning and the news... of the tsunami hitting Japan is all over the news. Despite what some think things are not as they always were things are getting worse and we can expect more and more of these horrendous natural disasters taking place in the coming months. I originally put down coming years but I changed it to months after considering the earthquake that just took place in China. How long will the church be here? I do not know. But I'm convinced it will not go through the great tribulation and the taking of the Mark of the beast. If you understand anything about the Mark of the beast you know it's impossible for the church to take the mark!!
---mima on 3/11/11




The premise to this question is all wrong. The questioner says that Israel becoming a nation has to do with "learn this lesson from the fig tree".

The lesson from the fig tree has NOTHING to do about Israel becoming a nation. Why? Just look at the parallel verses in Luke 21:29 And he told them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 As soon as they come out in leaf, you see for yourselves and know that the summer is already near.

Look at the fig tree, and ALL the trees

Obviously what Jesus is talking about has nothing to do with an association with fig trees and Israel since what He is talking about has to do with ALL trees.
---iJack on 3/11/11


I believe to understand "this generation" of Matt 24:34 one must read Matt 23-24 together to understand the context. It starts in Matt 23 when Jesus is speaking to the Scribes and Pharisees, when he said in Matt 23:36 "...will come on this generation."

Then Matt 24 continues to describe their judgment because of "this generation's" actions - Matt 23:13-38. Then in Matt 24:34, "this generation" is referring back to the generation of Matt 23:36. Re-read Matt 23-24 without the chapter breaks.

Matt 23, Jesus is pronouncing judgment upon the Scribes and Pharisees for their evil actions and in Matt 24 Jesus is explaining how that judgment will occur to the Disciples. The two chapters go together.
---Zach9876 on 3/11/11


The parable of the fig tree is to say "as spring time when the leaves are put forth is a sign that summer is near." Now in context of Matt 24, "when you see the events described they are a sign the destruction is near." To super impose Israel in 1948 or at any other time is to read into the context something that is not there. Read Luke 21:29-30 the parallel fig tree parable. Luke adds "and all the trees" So if the fig tree is Israel in 1948, who presents "are all the trees" in Luke's version.

Luke 21:29-30: Then He told them a parable: "Behold the fig tree and all the trees, as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near.
---Zach9876 on 3/11/11


//In Daniel, "Days" refer to "Years". Therefore, 1290 years from 600 BC (when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Temple and stopped the regular sacrifice) would bring us to 690 AD (the exact year that the Dome of the Rock was finished). The Dome of the Rock is the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.//

Interesting...however, what does "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!" in the next verse relate to?
---Rod4Him on 3/11/11


\\A lot of those born in 46 are no longer with us!\\
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/10/11

My dad was born in 1933, and he is asleep in his bedroom down the hall right now.
---James_L on 3/10/11


steveng,

my question not a setup question, but i genuinely want to know where do i locate that prophecy?

now, to relate to the other post. since the bible does not specifically say how long a generation is, don't you think there is a reason for that? that is, if to specificy a definite 3.5 years is for a reason, isn't a nebulous definition of a generation for a reason?
---aka on 3/10/11


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Donna66:

The "Holy Place" is Mount Moriah, the "Holy of Holies" is in the innermost part of the Temple.

(Daniel 12:11) "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate is set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

In Daniel, "Days" refer to "Years". Therefore, 1290 years from 600 BC (when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Temple and stopped the regular sacrifice) would bring us to 690 AD (the exact year that the Dome of the Rock was finished). The Dome of the Rock is the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.

There will be no new Jewish Temple with animal sacrifices.

---Lutherist on 3/10/11


// We are supposed to be vigilant and ready to leave at a moments notice. This is regardless of what we think the "signs of the times" say. So keep your lamp trimmed with your supply of oil handy and make sure of your high calling.//

Exactly the point I was inferring to. People will not "know" when the "end times" are by events that happen, so people should always be ready for a "return of Christ." So what if this is or isn't the end times...live for Christ anyway.
---Rod4Him on 3/11/11


Generations are as the emissions of light and the nucleus exlosions at The Cross...

Magnascopic emmanations would last until the absorption and/or dispersion reflextive properties and/or heat increase.

Vision, Flowers etc...

The fig tree was out of season and cursed not to bear for they were handed over, is written, to the authorities for it was not their time or season for them to bear in this manner, when He Was returning from the Temple of God.

There are many trees, but the fig leafs were what was sown as the clothes when Adam and Eve covered themselves, God redeemed the coverings through skin is written.
---jhonna_davida on 3/10/11


A lot of those born in 46 are no longer with us!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/10/11


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Not sure when it will end, but I think the generation means all those born in 46 will see the son of God return. That is when Israel gained a state. It says this generation shall not pass away until the Son of Man appears, or something like that.

sounds like we might be getting close.

God bless
---Margaret_Brandon on 3/10/11


Lutherist-- Here is the scripture most often quoted regarding the temple of the end-times. Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

The OT is full of references to "the holy place", meaning the center-most part of the temple.

Compare Matt 24:15 with Dan 11:31 "And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress, then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

Daniel dreamed many things thought to have prophetic significance.
---Donna66 on 3/10/11


Can someone provide statistics for the frequency of earthquakes for the last two thousand years.
---Rod4Him on 3/10/11

We need to be vigilant about watching for the Return of Jesus. He was the one who told us to "watch for the signs".

Many people love the teaching of the "Signs of the times" contained in Matt 24 and Luke 21. However, I prefer to read Matt 25 where the signs have been removed and we read how we (as believers) are supposed to act when the time is near. We are supposed to be vigilant and ready to leave at a moments notice. This is regardless of what we think the "signs of the times" say. So keep your lamp trimmed with your supply of oil handy and make sure of your high calling.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/11


Rod4Him:

We must remember that, in prophetic terms, earthquakes, pestilence, and famines can have a LITERAL and a SYMBOLIC meaning.

For example, when Jesus cursed the fig tree that had no fruit (even though it was out of season for fruit), he was actually calling out the Temple priests (remember... he than entered the Temple and raged against the corruption he found in it) for having no spiritual truth (food) to give a spiritually hungry people.

Earthquakes can mean earth shaking political events, pestilence can mean the corruption and death of the true Gospel, and famine can mean the scarcity of the true Christian doctrine in the apostate Christian Church.
---Lutherist on 3/10/11


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OK, so now we have an increase of earthquakes, pestilence, famines, etc.

Seismograph recording is a reasonable new devise, so there is no data to speak of for the last two thousand years. Having an increase in earthquake data does not mean earthquakes are in increasing. Can someone provide statistics for the frequency of earthquakes for the last two thousand years.
---Rod4Him on 3/10/11


Prophecy is an unfolding of many instances up to the climax, it is not merely one single instance. Although to those living in sin it will seem like one instance, like lightning flashing across the sky, or like a blinking of their eye: but for those of us waiting for and looking for his coming his arrival will have long been anticipated for, and of no surprize at all to us. Consider this, Christ Almighty's coming is one day closer today then it was yesterday, and nothing can prevent his coming to judge this world of both the living and the dead.
---Eloy on 3/10/11


Most Christians that are actually interested in End Times, would single out one dramitic sign that would hail the end of all things and Christ's soon return. That one sign is the re-building of the Jewish temple on the Temple Mount. They say... "Until that happens, the Antichrist cannot be revealed, and the Great Tribulation cannot begin. However, do the scriptures actually teach that a literal Third Temple will be built? Paul only uses the word "Temple" five times in his writings, and ALL five times it refers to the Church or Christians within the Church. If we who are Christians comfortably sit back and wait for temple construction to begin, we may miss the clear signs in front of us right now.
---Lutherist on 3/10/11


In the last 30-years there has been an increase in earthquakes along with an increase in temperatures in the northern hemisphere. A short time period allows those who desire to make the case for increased earthquakes and global warming.
Alarmist ignore the increase of seismographs and therefore an increase in lower level earthquakes reported. The increase was six-fold before 2005 where number has actually started to decrease.
---larry on 3/10/11


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End Times prophecy is a good money maker and as we did in Y2k the increase in 2012 disaster books has increased greatly in recent years. Dr. Doom will always find an audience.
You'd be better off reading the Jerusalem Post online daily than paying for one of Hal Lindsey's "any day now" horror novels. Just browse the Post for stories on the rebuilding of Temple Mount and you'll know all you need to know.
We can't get from here to there without that being done first.
God bless.
---larry on 3/10/11


70 years should be enough to take in a generation.
---mima on 3/10/11


People have been guessing since 1948.

Some were insisting it was 20 years.

In 1968, some said 30 years.

Hal Lindsay and others said it was 40 years.

I don't know what they've said since 1988. Maybe 100 years?
---Cluny on 3/9/11


The Lord sees the effect of a dad's failures (iniquity) on future "GENERATIONS" of a family, but He knows the guilty party.

The 'empirically educated' consider a generation to be 25 years (the "LIFESPAN" till the NEXT GENERATION OFFSPRING). Others consider PUBERTY TILL NEXT BIRTH.

Jesus spoke to those physically "IN PERSON" PRESENT, but what is the relevance of "time", for Jesus came in the FULLNESS of time (the completion and end of "time") and ushered in 'the age of ETERNITY'. Now, "TIME" has little meaning (a day is as a thousand years). Without Jesus, there is only EXISTENCE, but IN JESUS, we have LIFE eternal...

"I am....THE life", John 14:6
---more_excellent_way on 3/9/11


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It is not a definite period in the years but varies from century to century in the old Testament based on average life span in a given geographic area and the amount of persecution the Jew were under. During he time of slavery in Egypt and period of wandering in the desert with Moses about 40 years
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