Gen 1:9 'let the waters under heaven be gathered together into one place and let the dry land appear'
I take it that the 'one place' describes the oceans in general (as it is possibe to get from any one ocean to any other ocean, passing only over water (so the waters are 'in one place')
So I take it to be on the third day
---Peter on 4/12/11|
Thank you for the info, Steven. Im gonna go reseach it now.
---Jasheradan on 4/11/11|
Jasheradan: "What is that event, Steven?"
The event I posted is in the Ethiopia area. It has to do with a large 37 mile long fissure splitting Ethiopia in two creating a new ocean basin in the middle. What one scientist theorizes is that this event should have taken millions of years to develop, but has been created in a few short years.
---Steveng on 4/11/11|
Warwick, I have you on the messenger (Christianet messages), I'll send a message there
---Peter on 4/7/11|
Peter, I have 3 links for you but of course I cannot post them here. Do you have my email address?
---Warwick on 4/6/11|
What is that event, Steven?
---Jasheradan on 4/6/11|
Just a tibbit of information: there is an event going on right this moment that scientists say should have taken hundreds of millions of years, but has only been happening over the past couple of years.
---Steveng on 4/6/11|
Ever wonder why during the geneology of the sons of Noah the Bible takes time to oddly mention that in the days of Peleg the earth was divided?
Peleg means "earthquake"
The earth was divided in the days of Peleg, which suggests that the times before Peleg is was NOT.
Science does at times support scripture. They just apparently err in their theory that the continents couldnt have drifted as far as they have in such a short span of time (4000 years)
I believe that is when the oceans and mountain ranges were formed (as we know them today).
---Jasheradan on 4/6/11|
Thanks, Warwick, I remember well that you are extremely reliable! blessings!
---Peter on 4/6/11|
Peter, I will track the information down and come back to you. I was quoting from memory.
---Warwick on 4/6/11|
Warwick: you mention: 'Study showed each layer, eg Coconino Sandstone, was deposited rapidly under great depths of fast flowing water.'
Could you let me know where I can find this data - I'm interested in this stuff, but have had trouble finding enough data to check it all!
---Peter on 4/5/11|
Jerry, in rushing I placed this on the wrong thread!
Jerry, further to uncritical thinking I have a copy of a paper produced by the Sceptics Bainbridge and Stark, entitled 'Superstitions Old and New.' Their research showed that those in denominations which reject evolution are the most likely to reject superstitions, cults and popular pseudoscience. Their research also showed that those who accept Darwinism are much more likely to be ensnared by strange cults, including occultism.
So will ridding the world of Bible-believing Christins bring in a new golden age of reason? Apparently not.
---Warwick on 3/30/11|
Jerry, I understand the points you are making about the geologic column but most evolutionists do not know that what you have written is true.
The danger of the evolution/long ages belief is that it is a fraud uncritically accepted by people. And it distorts the believers view of reality. G.K Chesterton said something along these lines-when people stop believing in God it is not that they believe in nothing, but that they will believe anything.
Every now and then an evolutionist bobs up here insisting microbe-to-man evolution is scientific fact but when challenged they either do not reply or make no sense at all, showing they have uncritically accepted evolution.
---Warwick on 3/29/11|
Warwick: Adding to your discussion of the Grand Canyon, most folks don't realize that the GC is NOT a complete record of geologic history. There are "missing" layers called unconformities in the GC which are not adequately accounted for. (Erosion of selected layers for miles with millimeter precision is a lame explanation.) In fact, the entire "geologic column" exists nowhere on earth, but only in the minds of evolutionists.
---jerry6593 on 3/29/11|
I just wonder how, in the short time of the Flood, all the sedimintary rocks were laid down,....
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/24/11
Was only one global flood.
Genesis 1: 6 God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters,let it divide the waters from the waters.
7God made the firmament, divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
9 God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: it was so.
10God called the dry land Earth,the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: God saw that it was good.
No other "Global" flood. Not possible except with doctrines of men.
---Trav on 3/25/11|
Such violence, with no mention in the Bible!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/24/11
No mention in scripture. Something else never mentioned that would be worthy in scripture....reintroduction all the grasses,weeds, trees bushes,worms,insects,reptiles tens of thousands of separate species surviving intense water pressure for mths?
They didn't have too.
There are more unique species alive today than would fit on 20 arks. Throw in the extinct species add 10 more arks.
The flood happened. It happened to Noah/Adamic line in a large geographic area.
Done exactly what scripture said it did. Cleaned up Noahs imperfect relatives. Other civilizations marched through with the polar bears, grass,weeds and tropical trees.
---Trav on 3/25/11|
Alan,the time problem stems from wholesale long-ages uniformitarianism indoctrination. This belief proposes the geological forces acting today are those which have always occurred, so canyons and such must have taken eons to form. Solid evidence shows otherwise.
Today more and more geologists are coming to accept catastrophism, understanding that many landforms we see today are the result of rapid processes, catastrophic events. The Bible-believer says amen thinking of the world-destroying flood of Noah's time.
That deep layers of sedimenrtary rock are seen bent un-cracked at 90 degrees proves they were bent whilst plastic. This contradicts uniformitarianism.
---Warwick on 3/25/11|
Alan, consider the c1.6km deep sedimentary rock-layers at the Grand Canyon.
Long-agers claim they were deposited over eons. Study showed each layer, eg Coconino Sandstone, was deposited rapidly under great depths of fast flowing water.
Therefore if each layer was deposited rapidly how can the 1.6km have taken eons to deposit? They propose each was deposited by sepatate floods, separated by eons. Can't be, as each massive layer sits 'knife-edge' flat upon the lower. And vitally there is no evidence of erosion on top of each layer. How can this be if soft sedimentary layers were exposed to weather for eons? It cannot be, so the evidence supports a massive global flood catastrophy, as described in Genesis chapters 6-8.
---Warwick on 3/25/11|
Before the flood, there was no rain, but the vast storehouses of water were below the surface.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
The entire structure of the earth's foundation was broken up (plate techtonics) at the time of the flood.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, .... were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
It was during and shortly after the flood that the deep ocean trenches and continental uplift occurred. All geologic strata were formed by water (turbidite) action. Gradual settling over long periods cannot occur at 90 degrees to vertical (gravity doesn't pull sideways).
---jerry6593 on 3/25/11|
Warwick ... You have now restated my original question!
I just wonder how, in the short time of the Flood, all the sedimintary rocks were laid down, and then were sufficiently firm that they were able to remain in layers as they were bent, and in some instances crack, and then have the things happen which geologists call glaciers ... all within such a short time.
Such violence, with no mention in the Bible! Think what a mere earthquake did a few weeks ago, but there's no mention in the Bible of what must have been far far greater.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/24/11|
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Alan, the bent, cracked and lifted strata are obviously real. But when were they formed? During and after Noah's flood, or over millions of years, as evolutionists claim?
At the Grand Canyon there is good proof the evolutionist/long-agers are incorrect. At the Kaibab Upwarp, exposed for all to see, are massively deep layers of sedimentary rock, all bent 90 degrees, without cracking. Evolutionists say these layers were deposited over a period of 300 million years. If this were so the rock would be cracked, but it isn't. This tells us all the layers were deposited in a short period of time and bent while still plastic. This fits in with Noah's flood, not long-ages of deposition.
---Warwick on 3/24/11|
Andy ... Erosion would not make them lies at all different angles, in some cases the layers are now nearly vertical, a few hundred yards from those lying at opposite angles
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/23/11|
alan "If you walk coastal areas, you will see the rock strata which have reared up over some length of time, and this can be seen also in the mountain ranges"
who said they ever reared up? its more logical to assume they rear doiwn. that is erosion and takes a lot of time. in most cases but can take very quick in other case. the golf of benin loses every year 0.5 mfrom Ghana to nigeria we talk about billions of tons of sand dragged into the ocean
---andy3996 on 3/23/11|
Alan the original ocean was formed on Day one-Genesis 1:2.
Then as Genesis 1:9 says God commanded the dry ground to appear and the water gathered in one place.
Psalm 104:6-9 says the flood waters stood above the mountains but at God's command ran over the mountains and down valleys "to the place you (God) assigned for them."
In our present oceans we see massive depths of water, sometimes many km's deep. If God had lowered the ocean floor the hydraulic principles would have caused the land to rise, (mountains formed), causing the flood waters to run off the earth into the place God had created for them.
---Warwick on 3/14/11|
The strata were laid down at the flood and the pressures caused the strata to shift, creating the moutains and the ocean valleys. This is evident by marine life fossils even in the highest mountain areas.
The strata did not do this over time as naturalistic explanation would have us believe. This is evident by the even bends in strata throughout the world, only possible before the strata hardened.
Also the sedimentary rock layers that contain the fossil record are found around the same depth throughout the world. This is the evidence of the massive destruction and small timeframe inwhich this occured, animals with other animals have eaten in their mouths, animals giving birth, etc...
---micha9344 on 3/14/11|
\\I consider > God made the earth, and there were not four seasons until after the flood. \\
That's not what it says in Genesis 1:14.
It says there were SEASONS--and while that means there were at least 2, there's nothing to assume it means that there were ONLY two.
You're just projecting a particular view of the Flood onto Genesis 1.
So what you "consider" doesn't square with what's in the Bible.
---Cluny on 3/14/11|
I consider > God made the earth, and there were not four seasons until after the flood. So, at first . . . while the earth was warmer because of the inner molten core, the earth was a worldwide tropical forest, except that the "waters" (Genesis 1:7) above the earth had not fallen as rain. Once the moisture was out of the air, earth was not buffered from the sunshine, like before. So, then there were more extremes of heat and cold, making polar icecaps. And during the flood, the moon dragged worldwide tides to form mountains and ocean deeper valleys where the additional water could stay, maybe after also the earth was cooled and cracked by the flood.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/14/11|
If you walk coastal areas, you will see the rock strata which have reared up over some length of time, and this can be seen also in the mountain ranges.
When were the strata laid down?
and when was the contraction that caused them to rear up?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/14/11|
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"And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."
---mima on 3/14/11|
You should read Genesis 1, every answer you will find there
In the beginning.... now the Spirit of God was hovering over the WATERs.
---andy3996 on 3/14/11|
It would seem to have happened on the third day of Creation, according to Genesis 1.
If the waters under the heaven were all gathered into one place, called seas (vs. 10) then all the land was gathered into another place.
And we call that place where all the land was gathered Pangea.
---Cluny on 3/14/11|
I'm believing that the oceans, as we know them today, were formed as a result of the Great Flood in Noe's day (Noah). Some people reject that the entire Earth was really flooded. They say that "only the portions of the Earth where people dwelt was flooded. But, I rather believe that the whole Earth was flooded, and that GOD caused just enough of the Deluge to abate to expose and form the continents as we have today. A thought to consider, anyways.
---Gordon on 3/14/11|
They came into being very slowly throughout the life of the earth. This process continues through the movement of tectonic plates and volcanic activity. This is probably not the answer you were seeking.
---John.usa on 3/14/11|