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Devastation in Japan, are we in the end times? What do you think. The earth is shaking in China, Japan, other areas of the Pacific Rim. What are we to learn from this?

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Donna66 the topic was sinlessness, not suffering. 1st Peter 4 is not addressed to non christians, and the fellowship of His sufferings is not talking to non christians. I clearly stated we are not discussing suffering...but the Fellowship of HIS sufferings, that only those IN CHRIST partake of.

If we infact partake of these sufferings, with 1st Peter 4, and Phil 3, NEITHER state we become sinless the moment we are Born Again....THAT WAS THE SUBJECT and conversation I was having with Haz27.

You railroaded the subject with non-sense statements ( non christians suffering) and took it in a different direction, as I was trying to show Haz27 even Paul never claimed sinless perfection.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/11

Kathr4453 -- The topic was Christian suffering...why would the mention of non-Christians suffering, be so irrelevant. What games do you think I'm trying to play? And why would I want to play games? Why are you so suspicious? You say you accepted my apology. If so, why do you keep bringing the matter up?
---Donna_Smith on 3/27/11

Kath4453-- Why do you attribute such wicked intentions to my questions about "suffering with Christ"? Why do you then accuse me of not even being a Christian? How have I ever given you reason to think that?
---Donna66 on 3/28/11

donna66, you admitted your first response was indeed rude. AND apologized for that. Your first statement was "non christians suffering" having nothing whatsoever to do with the conversation....playing games???

Donna anyone can pluck a sentence here and there. It must be read in the entire context, as a confrontation with sarcasm attached.

Donna66, ALL christians are partakers of His sufferings. Why aren't you? IF you were, you wouldn't be asking...what does it mean..You would have backed me up, testifying to the truth..

Again, Go ask GOD, not me....I know what you do with anything I say....
---kathr4453 on 3/27/11

kathr4453-- Here are some of the questions you claim I DIDN'T ask.
1.Got the scripture references. But what do you mean by "GRACE and our life under Grace is suffering,for ALL saved by Grace"?.

2...Was hoping for a little bit more specificity in answer to my question about suffering.

3.That I may KNOW Him and the fellowship of HIS SUFFERINGS. You quote this verse often. But what IS the fellowship of HIS Sufferings? You have not yet explained what it means to "suffer with him".

4. Ours is suffering we have brought upon ourselves. How does it help us identify with Christ? He willingly suffered what he didn't deserve.

These were polite, legitimate questions.
---Donna66 on 3/26/11

Oh, and by the way, we are not to learn anything from what is happening in the world. We must take one day at a time and not worry about what is happening in the world. Christians already know what is going to happen. We are going through perilous times and must have a small group of like-minded people (christians) who are able to comfort and encourage one another through to the end. Do an onling KJV bible search for "one another", "each other", "encourag", and "comfort" which is wrapped up in one word: LOVE (as in the verb form).
---Steveng on 3/26/11

Things happen, Bible prophesy says to be so. When the nations leaders says ill oughts against Israel, it makes it even worse.
Things have happened here. If & when our Pres Obama or any of our leaders, says any ill oughts against Israel, it will make things worse. I believe that only those that speak ill oughts against Israel should suffer the consequences. It seems like others that hasn't spoke against Israel have to suffer also.
---Lawrence on 3/27/11

Donna66, on the sinless blog, you didn't ask? What does that like just recently on another blog, answer your own question with statemennts never stated, and then ask to explain on your statements. I placed plenaty of scripture references, for you to see what GOD SAID on the subject.

The Hindu belief of re-incarnation came out of BUDDHISM, but theirs is tweeked somewhat differently. Hindu did not come first.., therefore was not the first and only belief in re-incarnation. TRUE buddhism believes in re-incarnation, until they reach Nirvina or whatever.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/11

Donna66, many buddhists prefer teh word Rebirth. Rebirth is when the sense of self is generated as an ongoing process, as a result of clinging to conditions. Buddhists claim that it takes place between lives, that the flow of clinging continues, and generates new senses of self in the future beyond personal death.

The Dalai Lama is thought of as the latest reincarnation of a series of spiritual leaders who have chosen to be reborn in order to enlighten others.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/11

kathr4453 -- I said from the very beginning that I didn't understand what you meant by "sharing the sufferings of Christ." I didn't then and you never enlightened me any. So I still don't.
---Donna66 on 3/25/11

Kath4453--There are plenty of Buddhist web sites that state Buddhism does not believe in reincarnation---so I hope people will read. You have been thorough about Tibetan Buddhism but have completely ignored Zen Buddhism (which itself contains different sects) as practiced in Japan. They are NOT the same.

I should have known you'd manage to work Calvinism in here. But I see no relevance at all to the topic.
---Donna66 on 3/25/11

donna66, I stated anyone can go on line and look up Buddhism. And they do in fact believe in re-incarnation. However in a differrent prspective than hindu. I have consulted not just online sites, but world book, and the many books and articles from the Apologetics Ministry I once worked. Hindu came from Buddhism, not the other way around.

They believe their conscience is recycled...and comes back. They do not believe in a soul. However our conscience is in the seat of our soul.

Once they reach Nirvana, there is no more rebirth. Nirvana is not reached in one lifecycle.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11

Donna, Mormons believe in incarnation, taking on of flesh as they are angels who have taken residence in the human body, working their way to perfetion

Now we know our conscience is seated in the soul, not spirit. If our conscience died at the fall of adam, making us totally depraved, calvinists also must believe our soul died..or is non existant.

And I have heard extreme forms of calvinists teach we all knew each other in heaven before being born, which also teaches incarnation.

Incarnation VS RE-Incarnation:
The systematic attempt to attain first-hand knowledge of past lives has been developed in various ways in different places. The early Buddhist texts discuss techniques for recalling previous births,
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11

Kathr4453 -One last comment (Really, my last!) about Buddhism, since that blog is closed.

You don't get a real perspective on things from the internet. Don't get all defensive. But you are about as knowledgeable about Buddhism, as a non-Christian who consults various sites on Christianity and concludes that the Baptists are just like the Orthodox...both Christian, right? Or like one who bases their understanding of Christianity on the movie "Elmer Gantry". Depending on which sites you consult, Christians believe in praying to the saints, tithing, infant Baptism and speaking in tongues. Buddhism is no less complex than Christianity.
---Donna66 on 3/24/11

no donna66, Tribulation Period person did..

To aka,
//I NEVER said I understood //

Caution: asking a straightforward question can be met with extreme sarcasm on CNet.
---aka on 3/23/11

but to reply to this comment from teh other blog.

aka, I never met with donna66 with extreme sarcasm in this subject, and I was the one flogged with sarcasm, only to find out after the blog was closed donna stating she knew nothing on the subject.

Many arguments start here for many reasons. I've never seen anyone reply to anyone with extreme sarcasm who ask a question People love answering qestions.

You do see donna66's apology here correct. And It has been accepted.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/11

//The major unknown question for us here today is what is the next major disaster to take place, when, why, and where?//

Who said this? It wasn't I.
I don't think it's a major question.
---Donna66 on 3/23/11

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This is not from God, but speaking for myself:

If anyone has noticed, the Pacific Plate rotates counterclockwise. The earthquakes are moving clockwise starting in Chile, followed by New Zealand, then on to Japan. So the next quake is the Aleutian Islands, followed by the Pacific Northwest, then on to California.
---Steveng on 3/23/11

Donna66: Peace!

Tribulation person:
//The major unknown question for us here today is what is the next major disaster to take place, when, why, and where? //

NO, the Next major question here should be ARE YOU SAVED?

I believe we are seeing the BEGINNING of things as scripture teaches.

However, as long as we are still in the age of GRACE, God's Wrath has not yet started.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/11

Kath4453-- You are right my tone was rude and accusatory. Your posts often sound that way too. But I'm sorry.
My question about "the sufferings of Christ" , however, was legitimate. The meaning is not self-evident to all Christians.
---Donna66 on 3/21/11

We are at the precipice of the tribulation period. The earthquake in Japan is the most recent sign moving forward to the culmination of the tribulation period. We can expect more frequent and greater natural disasters, wars, famines, plagues, deaths etc.... The major unknown question for us here today is what is the next major disaster to take place, when, why, and where? As for the date of the rapture, tribulation start, Christ's return, those will be only known to Father God. Best estimates in light of human history and current global crisis would indicate that humanity is extraordinarily close to either the rapture or the tribulation period start date! Either could take place at any moment now.....
---Tribulation_Period on 3/21/11

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Kath4453-- If you read other people's posts as carefully as you do your encyclopedia, you would see that I did not disagree with your "reliable" sources.
---Donna66 on 3/21/11

donna, if you had read my posts on the sinless blogyou will see your response to me talking to Haz27 was rude and accusatory, totally missing the point.

Here read your words:
You make it sound as if you have great spiritual "maturity" because you are one of few who "know him and the fellowship of His sufferings"...but you never explain any further.
---Donna66 on 3/18/11

That was offensive to me, and if you KNOW Christ, no explination was/is necessary!
---kathr4453 on 3/21/11

We learn what even secular scientists know...the ring of fire including the northwest section near Japan is likely to hosts 80% of the world's most devastating quakes. California is overdue and an earthquake is Haiti was predicted 30 years ago by secular scientists.
Since the West and the Far East are insignificant in end times prophecy Japan is affected by, but the center of nothing biblically.
---larry on 3/21/11

alan8566_of_uk: "Earthquakes are nothing new, nor are tsumani, or plagues, or wars, or meteorite strikes"

That's true, but in Jesus' own words they will increase in frequency and intensity. While the world is falling apart and love of many has waxed cold we should not fear because all these things must happen before the return of Jesus. Do not fear death. When you are persecuted and die in the name of Jesus (as he died for you), you will receive your just reward.

So, is the Ring of Fire coming alive?
---Steveng on 3/21/11

Kath4453-- If you read other people's posts as carefully as you do your encyclopedia, you would see that I did not disagree with your "reliable" sources.
---Donna66 on 3/21/11

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Can we count on something just as terrible happening to them?
---Donna66 on 3/20/11
Donna66, all you need to do is read Zechariah 12-14 to see that truth.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/11

Donna66, I completely agree with your answers. Many countries come to mine who deserve worse because of their works to kill their own people for greet, power and their religion, Islam. Millions of Christians have been murdered in Sudan and other parts of Africa. Japan is not murdering Christians. They might not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but neither does Israel. And many other countries.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/11

In 1942, the United States set up a secret project called the Manhattan Project, to develop the first atomic bomb. The first test explosion of an atomic bomb occurred in the New Mexico Desert in July 1945.

So, how long were the effects of the A bomb tested before it was dropped? Developed in 1942. tested in 1945, and dropped when???. They already knew the Long term effects? Wow, and it's taken how many years to know the effects of cigaretts and second hand smoke?
---kathr4453 on 3/20/11

The intentional bombing of civilians had been going on for quite some time--first by the Germans and Japanese and then by the British and Americans. About 100,000 Japanese died during American fire bombing raids on Tokyo five months before Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But what made atomic bombs even more frightful were the largely unknown short- and long-term effects of radiation and their capacity for worldwide destruction.

So, many reliable sources disagree donna66.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/11

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The RERF program was started during the November of 1946 when President Harry Truman approved a directive to the national Academy of Sciences (NAS), and the National Research Council (NRC), to study the effects of radiation on people. The NAS and the NRC received finding from the Atomic Energy Commission (now called the Department of Energy). The NRS -NRC began the Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission (ABCC) during March of 1947 and began to conduct research the following year. The Japanese National Institute of Health became a partner in these research committees. In 1975, this same committee developed a new research laboratory an called it the Radiation Effects Research Foundation (RERF). This group reassumed the studies of the ABCC.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/11

Isuppose the Christchurch earthquake was a judgment against NZ

Earthquakes are nothing new, nor are tsumani, or plagues, or wars, or meteorite strikes
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/20/11

Lawrence-- What about all those countries that broadcast to all the world that they intend to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth!"..that would be Iran and the Hamas in Jordan, among others. They don't "think" bad things. They plan bad things for israel.

Can we count on something just as terrible happening to them?
---Donna66 on 3/20/11

Terrible things will happen to countries that will come against Israel. I heard that Japan was thinking about doing something, so The Lord stopped them from doing so. If out president now & future prsdnts with those that go along with them, bad will happen here in the U.S.A.
---Lawrence on 3/20/11

Lawrence, that is most interesting. My mind had the same thoughts. I first looked up relations between Israel and Japan. I found they had great relations and were friends.

Can you offer info otherwise?

---kathr4453 on 3/20/11

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Saq ... yours of 3/16 listed Welfare as a bad thing.

Have you tried reading Iaiah 58?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/20/11

My father is ex-military and he confirmed to me almost 20 years ago (when he retired) that they do manipulate the weather to protect their arsenal. Apparently its possible to break up storms clouds using ionized particles shot directly into storm tops.

If you live near a military base of any kind, watch a radar loop in motion as bad storms approach. Youll notice that they weaken as they near military bases and then explode again once they pass.
---Jasheradan on 3/20/11

Kathr4453 -- When we dropped the A bomb, we did know a fair amount about radiation and what the affects might be (otherwise we wouldn't have been able to develop it) We had tested one similar, only in an unpopulated area and done considerable research on the effects of radiation on animals. Mostly, we didn't know how far the effects would reach and how long they would last.
If radiation had reached the US in any appreciable amounts, it would have been easily detected without very sophisticated equipment.

I think we will have to blame the present cancer rate on something else (also remembering that science has made it possible to detect cancers that previously were missed)
---Donna66 on 3/20/11

"The 9.0-magnitude quake caused a tsunami that ravaged Japan, killing more than 7,700 people and more than 11,600 people are still missing. FUKUSHIMA, Japan- Japan announced that contamination from its crippled nuclear complex has seeped into the food chain, saying that radiation levels in spinach and milk from farms near the facility exceeded government safety limits. The government's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano, said Saturday that tainted milk and spinach were collected from several farms ranging from 20 to 75 miles away from the reactors." "Obama's juggle: Libya war and Latin America: BRASILIA, Brazil- As American missiles struck Libya, President Barack Obama doggedly promoted his Latin American agenda Saturday."
---Eloy on 3/19/11

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Terrible things will happen to countries that will come against Israel. I heard that Japan was thinking about doing something, so The Lord stopped them from doing so. If out president now & future prsdnts with those that go along with them, bad will happen here in the U.S.A.
---Lawrence on 3/20/11

Cluny, you are correct. Power plants do not run off of Hydrogen, as a H Bomb, but does from the same kind of bomb (Nuclear) dropped on Japan.

There are two main types of bombs which release energy from the nuclei of atoms.

The simplest kind is an atomic bomb. Like a nuclear power plant, it releases great quantities of energy through a process called nuclear fission, or 'splitting', of a large unstable (radioactive) element like uranium or plutonium.
A more complicated type is the hydrogen bomb, or thermonuclear bomb, which releases an even greater quantity of energy through nuclear fusion, a process which has not yet been put to peaceful uses.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/11

kathr, it was not an H (fusion) bomb dropped on Japan, as it had not yet been invented.

It was an A (fission) bomb.
---Cluny on 3/19/11

check out HAARP.
---aka on 3/18/11

aka, i did. It is interesting, and will certaianly make you think and wonder. Do I think it's possible? If these guys are fooling around in the ionisphere (sp) and then testing the results on the earth...who knows what those effects are. When the H bomb was dropped on Japan WWII, did we know then the results of that at the time? NO! we had no idea what radiation was or the effects. Did the radiation of that bomb blow onto the USA (as so many fear is happening today? Maybe that's why we have so much cancer here, and not to mention all the experiments in AZ, NM, NV. Does man have the ability to royally mess with life etc, without knowing the consequences? apears so.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/11

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People blame strange weather events on global warming/change. People blame the animal deaths on the shift of the magnetic poles. People blame the worldwide riots on greed. People will always blame something, but the root cause - sin. As sin increases and the love of many wax cold during these end times so will there be an increase of worldwide disasters.
---Steveng on 3/18/11

We donot know when the end will occur, but it could be. We should just hold fast to Jesus and his fathers kingdom.
---candice on 3/18/11

check out HAARP.
---aka on 3/18/11

Do not look at one single catastophic event as the end times. What you are doing is just seeing the trees and not the forest. One must look at all the events concerning the end times from all of history until the present to find them increasing in frequency and intensity. It is these events today (tribulation) that will separate the christians from those who call themselves christians, but who are not. The stronger your faith, the better God will protect you from the wrath that is upon the world today. It's your faith that will pull you through the tribulation until the day Jesus returns.
---Steveng on 3/17/11

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Paul said nearly 2000 years ago we are in the last days.

But I believe Christ will literally reign on earth for 1000 years. So, no, the earth is not going to melt away tomorrow.

BUT, I do believe we have been seeing over these past 10 years remarkable things, and will most assuredly see even more. Does it mean anything? Yes, It means Christ's return is getting closer and closer.

I believe in a loving God who is warning mankind that the end is closer than ever, and when all is ripped out from under, WILL YU LOOK UP, or still rely upon yourself?

He's trying to get our attention. It's better to lose your home, money etc, than your soul....
---kathr4453 on 3/17/11

It is surprising to me that those who believe in a rapture also state God's wrath is now. According to scripture God's wrath comes after His Church is removed. Aren't we saved from the wrath to come???

PEOPLE who build homes and Reactors on fault lines are to blame. God didn't build them or put them there? MAN DID!

If your going to build your home next to a valcano...Did GOD force you to?

Too may people listen to Pat Robertson, and he is way off base.

Now is the perfect time to WITNESS to those About God's LOVE .
---kathr4453 on 3/17/11


I hadn't noticed any insult in any posts you had directed at me (nor at anyone else here). I'm sorry if I said anything that gave you that impression.

(Oh I see - I seem to have missed that one, but that is incredibly mild compared to much of the mud-slinging that goes on here, and I take no offense from it.)

I wasn't by an means ignoring other parts of Revelation - I was just pointing out that if someone things the deaths of a few thousand or even a few million are signs of the Great Tribulation, they are severely underestimating just how REALLY BAD it will really be!
---StrongAxe on 3/17/11

LUKE 17:26 And as it was in the day of NOAH,so it will be also in the days of the SON of MAN, They ate they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage,until the day that NOAH entered the ARK, And the flood came and destroy them all.

( according to this verse, it's pretty much business as usual when CHRIST returns)
---RICHARDC on 3/17/11

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I APOLOGIZE!!! I insulted you. I'm sorry. I am better than that.

I will be backing out of the blog for a while.

God Bless You All!
---Lutherist on 3/17/11


People have been setting dates for millenia, and ALWAYS getting them wrong. This causes a lot of damage, because not only do those who believe them lose faith when they are proven wrong, but they also (rightfully) cause the world to mock. It becomes a classic case of The Boy Who Cried Wolf - after hundreds of hysterical (and false) date settings, when the actual date DOES occur, nobody will take it seriously, since the date-setters have brought the study of biblical prophecy into such disrepute.
---StrongAxe on 3/17/11

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

"He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure." Psalm 2:4,5

"This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?" Isaiah 14:26,27
---christan on 3/17/11


If you are waiting to see BILLIONS (1/3 of Mankind) suddenly die... You won't WAKE UP until you're already at the end of the SIXTH TRUMPET.

You will have missed the devastating worldwide meteroite storm that darkens the sun and the moon that ushers in the DAY OF THE LORD, 1/3 of the earth being burned up, an asteroid impact in the ocean, and the sun and moon not giving their light for 1/3 of the day and night. And of course... you will have missed ALL of the SEAL JUDGMENT WARNINGS.

I would suggest that you go back to the scriptures with a little humility... perhaps God might be able to teach you something.
---Lutherist on 3/17/11

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Setting dates is foolish. Over confidence about understanding End Times is also foolish. We must be Bareans!

Are the seals opening now? I dont know. But considering the possibility is smart, because Jesus warned that most Christians will be wrong. (Mt 24:44) "Be ALERT, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour YOU DO NOT EXPECT."

The coming judgments will unfold as Birth Pains (Mt 24:8). That means that the (Seal) judgments are the mildest WARNINGS that labor is BEGINNING. The (Trumpet) labor pains are much more severe. The (Bowl) judgments (Gods wrath) that are poured out on this earth are the final birth pains which consumes this world and gives birth to the new heavens and the new earth.
---Lutherist on 3/17/11


Are you going by Harold Camping's calculations? He set dates incorrectly before. Also, his methods of calculation are wildly different than most other Biblical scholars. So, either he's claiming divine inspiration for his chronology, he's a prophet, and since has made false prophecies before, should not be believed, or if he's just claiming scholastic wisdom, his claims are dubious.

We're not supposed to living like the world will end in two months, selling our properties, running up credit cards, etc.. We are not supposed to do any of that - we are supposed to do the same things we have always done. Jesus said he wants to find us busy at our labor when he returns (Sorry, I can't find the reference at the moment).
---StrongAxe on 3/17/11

70 days before the Judgment
Day on May 21, 2011 ....God shaken Japan!!!

there will be great earthquake on May 21, 2011 those earthquake has nothing to do with the coming Judgment Day.
---rosalie on 3/16/11

The death toll in Japan is in the thousands. While a large number it's still a relatively small drop in a large bucket.

Contrast this with the plagues in Revelation - one of which kills a large number of people, and then another tha kills ONE THIRD of the earth's population.

Japan's earthquake, 9/11, Katrina, the Indian ocean tsunami, Hiroshima and Nagaski - all of these have killed thousands.

The Holocaust, Stalin's starving of the Ukraine - these have killed millions.

The plagues listed in the Revelation will kill BILLIONS. When one sees devastation on that scale, one will know there's a Great Tribulation going on. But for now, we haven't seen one tenth of one percent of that yet, anywhere, at any time.
---StrongAxe on 3/17/11

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But on a different subject..... slightly

How many of us here think that in our lifetime, we may see the seven seals opened

I ask this because Jeus did tell us that FIRST, the Word must to the whole world

Until our generation, I do not think it was

Could now be the generation?

I JUST is if it COULD BE, not if it IS
---Peter on 3/17/11

What is the meaning of your list on 3/16? Do you think these are good or bad? How do they relate to the subject?
---Donna66 on 3/16/11

we are destroying ourselves. There's nothing wrong with these inventions in themselves, but when we start making science our god, we are in trouble. How long is God going to put up with this, I don't know, but we better watch out.
---wivv on 3/16/11

I'll add Nuclear Reactors to the list. I guess that they are not as safe as I once thought. I was hoping that the USA would EXPAND the use of Nuclear Energy.

Hopefully, we are learning that our inventions are no match for natural disasters, like earthquakes. Same goes for all the other ways of trying to solve problems.
---Sag on 3/17/11

I agree with Lutherist. Japan is not showing that we are in the coming wrath of God as in the Great Tribulation time.
But I don't believe any of the seals have been opened yet. The reason is that when the 1st seal is broken Anti-Christ is revealed.
Note the broken seals Rev 6,
1. Anti-christ revealed v1-2
2. Hot war v3-4
3. World-wide famine v5-6
4. Wide spread death v7-8
5. Martyred under the alter
6. Earths greatest
earthquake and cosmic
disturbance v12-17
7. Trumpet judgments released
ch 8:1-6
---Elder on 3/16/11

for me this signifies that death is and when?only God knows so we should always be caught prepared to come home anytime with God.
---mj on 3/16/11

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What is the meaning of your list on 3/16? Do you think these are good or bad? How do they relate to the subject?
---Donna66 on 3/16/11

Mark V:

I do not believe that God has singled out Japan for judgment. The Seven Seal judgments do not pick and choose individual countries.

I am currently considering, for the sake of study, the possibility that the Seven Seals are already being opened. If they are being opened, the next Seal would be number Four, the global plague of "Death".

What is happening now in Japan, may or may not turn out to be significant globally. I am not saying that it will be. However, SIX out of control nuclear reactors do have the potential to do serious harm on a planetary scale.
---Lutherist on 3/16/11

In Matthew chapter 24:6-8, Jesus says, "you will hear of wars and rumors of wars." But then He says, "but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.'"

So, these things are only the "beginning"?

And He says, "'Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.'" (Luke 21:28) So, I consider that our attention needs to be "up" . . . to God, and not just to what's happening in this world, and "lift up your heads" - - be uplifted.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/16/11

We are to learn that the shift of tectonic plates can still cause massive disruption for people on earth. It comes without warning, respects neither young nor old, rich or poor.
Whether is signifies judgment from God, or a hastening of the end, I cannot say. But it should cause each of us to wisely use the present time we have, because we can never be assured of tomorrow.
---Donna66 on 3/16/11

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we are destroying ourselves. There's nothing wrong with these inventions in themselves, but when we start making science our god, we are in trouble. How long is God going to put up with this, I don't know, but we better watch out.
---wivv on 3/16/11

I believe that you said it ALL in just a few short sentences.

This applies to many things that we either choose NOT TO SEE or are the long-term consequences of some earlier behaviors, politics, laws, etc. --

Tax Cuts
Global Greed & Wars
Global Arms Sales
Financial Mismanagement
Birth Control & Family Planning
Etc. Etc.
---Sag on 3/16/11

"Tribulation" is mentioned about 21 times from Matthew to Revelation. And not once was a specific day attached to the word. Dictionary defines tribulation as, "grievous trouble, severe trial or suffering", which is what a Christian is told to expect the day he follows Christ.

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Matthew 16:24. Meaning, there will be trials and tribulations in Christian walk, everyday.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33
---christan on 3/16/11

\\The question arises is this the wrath of God falling on the nation of Japan? I believe it is.\\

mima, the same question to you:

If your home or city were destroyed in a series of natural disasters, would this be the wrath of God falling on YOU?

You must be consistent.

BTW--read the opening verses of Luke 13.

Immediate application: "Do you think the people who perished in the earthquake and tsunami in Japan were the worst sinners in all the world? I tell you, they were not. But unless YOU repent, MIMA, YOU will likewise perish."
---Cluny on 3/16/11

According to some, the "End Times" started with Christ. There are a number of NT scriptures to document this. What we are seeing occur now should act as a "wake up call" if nothing else. When my father got a tractor after WWII, a piece of grease dropped on the ground from this new tractor, and he said, "One of these days man is going to destroy himself with his inventions." That's what's happening now, we are destroying ourselves. There's nothing wrong with these inventions in themselves, but when we start making science our god, we are in trouble. How long is God going to put up with this, I don't know, but we better watch out.
---wivv on 3/16/11

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I don't believe the wrath of God is falling on the nation of Japan. If God was judging already, so many more nations deserve His wrath much worse the Japan. We are close to the end times, the question is how close? If we check history through Scripture we are almost at the end, how much time is that? no one knows. I believe when we are there, greater things we will see then a nuclear reactor. It would take many nuclear reactors to melt down. There is billions of people on the earth, one reactor can kills thousands, which is not even a dent on the world population. We are going to have earthquakes and disasters always, this is just another disaster, like the well that broke in the Gulf of Mexico. I'm surprise, and happy, we don't have more.
---Mark_V. on 3/16/11

I believe that the Church will go through tribulation until the Rapture at the Seventh Trumpet (1Cor 15:53) and (Re 11:12).

Therefore, I am willing to consider that we are already into the opening of the Seven Seals. Seal 1- the Apostate Church is alive and well, Seal 2-The Great Sword of Islam has indeed taken peace from the world, Seal 3- The global ecconomic collapse and famine is happening even as we speak, Seal 4- When it comes, will add a plague of "DEATH" on a global scale.

I would look at the nuclear reactor situation. If the worst case senario happens... uncontrolled global radiation poisoning could fulfil the Fourth Seal.
---Lutherist on 3/15/11


REV 8:11

"And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter"

A star is a nuclear reaction.
---John on 3/16/11

Jim, if your house and neighborhood were devastated by earthquake, flood, or other natural disaster, would this be an apocalyptic sign?

When you answer this question, you've answered your own question.
---Cluny on 3/16/11

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Matthew 24:6 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

7: "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."

8: "All these are the beginning of sorrows."
---christan on 3/16/11

By television we are seeing the catastrophic events that are taking place in Japan. The question arises is this the wrath of God falling on the nation of Japan? I believe it is. I believe these catastrophic horrendous happenings will become much more frequent and closer and closer together as we rush headlong into the closing hours of grace.
---mima on 3/16/11

Jim, the Bible teaches no one except for God knows the day or the hour when Christ will return, Mark 13:32-36.

The Bible also teaches how creation (earth) is groaning for the return of Christ, Romans 8:18-25.
---Rob on 3/15/11

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