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Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace, you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Those in Christ are counted righteous (justified) by faith not by the law. Romans 1:17, Gal. 3:10-11

leonia

Amen. I do not disagree with these statments. You also said no place in the Bible. I remind you that the OT is part of the Bible.
---Samuel on 3/24/11


francis, We've been through these verses you take out of context before..
There is nothing new here, for you will continue to do so..
Example:
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
You call v.15 a vision and will not accept the answer God gave to Peter, yet you will enforce Peter's response apart from the vision.
I suppose now you will fall back on your out of context use of 'here a little, there a little.'
---micha9344 on 3/24/11


---leonia on 3/24/11
Are you 100% sure that this change in law is NOT THE PRIESTHOOD from the tribe of LEVI to Jesus ( who did not comes from LEVI)?

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

Hebrews 7:14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda, of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Hebrews 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

QUESTION: Who made th every first sacrifice?
---francis on 3/24/11


leonia on 3/24/11
your posts are sad


We are saved by grace truely, but what does the BIBLE say:
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin( TRANGRESS THE LAW), because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin( TRANGRESS THE LAW), that grace may abound?

You seem not to know that GRACE is no excuse for sin, and SIN is the trangression of the LAW. So as long as you continue not to keep the sabbath you are guilty of breaking THE WHOLE LAW
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

You have chooen your point ( the 4th commandments) and thus you are guilty of the whole law.
---francis on 3/24/11


//Here is Jesus teaching
1: That in the future he expected them to keep the sabbath, hopefully they di not have to flee on that day-//Francis

What? That is not what He is saying there.

Winter = a time of no harvest
The Sabbath = a day when the gates of the city are locked to keep people from violating the sabbath by journeying too far from it (a Jewish custom)

In other words, a winter escape would be harder on them than any other time. thats a given

An escape attempt on the Sabbath would more than likely result in many of them being trapped within the city and killed.
---Jasheradan on 3/24/11




No where did Jesus teach that one had to observe the OT Sabbath.
--leonia on 3/24/11
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Here is Jesus teaching
1: That in the future he expected them to keep the sabbath, hopefully they di not have to flee on that day
AND
here is Jesus teaching that 2: we should do well/ good on the sabbath days

Here is paul teaching to assemble on sabbath:
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Example:
Acts 13:44-46
---francis on 3/24/11


And yes Francis James 2 should tell that you are indeed guilty of breaking the law for you sin.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

But one's salvation is not by the law but by God's grace.

Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace, you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Those in Christ are counted righteous (justified) by faith not by the law. Romans 1:17, Gal. 3:10-11

And nowhere, nowhere in the Bible is there a command to observe the Sabbath. The Sabbath simply foreshadowed our rest in Christ. Hebrews 4
---leonia on 3/24/11


---francis on 3/24/11

It is 100% clear that the spirit behind Adventism was the beast that will be thrown into the lake of fire at the last judgment.

Was the law changed?

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

And the Christian need not become physically circumcised - a law that was also changed.

And who changed the law? Answer is Jesus as the Old Covenant became obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) and the OT Sabbath is based on an obsolete convenant, not applicable in the New.

Fortunately old Ellen White plagarized the works of many Christians so you will find some truth as taught by Adventists.
---leonia on 3/24/11


---leonia on 3/24/11
I was tempted to laugh at your post, but then this is a serious issue.
What law in the Bible is not first given in the OT?
What law in the Bible is given to gentiles only?

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,

Do you know what SIN is?
Recall the words of Jesus:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And you are ready to do away with an entire commandment?

james 2 If you break ONE commandment you are thus guilty of all.
---francis on 3/24/11


Consider -

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

No where did Jesus teach that one had to observe the OT Sabbath. In fact, He stated that "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind".(14:5-6)

And it was not taught in the early Gentile church.

While one has an obligation to the law, the Christian is NOT under the law as for his or her salvation.
---leonia on 3/24/11




there are two biblical prophecies that I would like to point everyone to:
Daniel 7:23 and think to change times and laws:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom
of heaven.

It is 100% clear, that any changes is Gods laws comes from the beast, not God.
---francis on 3/24/11


Adventism is a cult because they really believe in another gospel and a different Jesus. In fact, the founder, Ellen White was a spiritualist often speaking of her 'angel messenger'.

"the same angel messenger stands by my side instructing me in the visions of the night, as stands beside me instructing me in he visions of the day' (Quoted from Arthur White, Ellen White:Messenger to the Remnant, p. 71).

Unlike the angel Moroni who appeared to Jos Smith, Ellen's heavenly visitor never seemes to identify himself by name.
---leonia on 3/24/11


there are two biblical prophecies that I would like to point everyone to:
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, Daniel 7:25 And he shall .. think to change times and laws:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

It is 100% clear, that any changes is Gods laws comes from the beast, not God.
---francis on 3/24/11


SDA came out of the millerite movement. They were called Adventists since they preached the Second coming of JESUS.

In 1870, Charles Taze Russell and others formed an independent group to study the Bible. In 1876 Russell met Nelson H. Barbour and in the following year the pair jointly produced the book Three Worlds which combined restitutionist views with time prophecy. In the book they taught that God's dealings with mankind were divided dispensationally, each ending with a "harvest", that Christ had returned invisibly as a spirit being in 1874.

Russel is supposed to have attended some of our meetings. But never joined.
---Samuel on 3/24/11


---David on 3/24/11
Your post was very SDA friendly overall.

But consider these:
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,
Romans 3:20 for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1 John 3:4 for sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans 7:7 for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The very same law also says to keep the sabbath holy.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Same person also said in same law keep the sabbath
---francis on 3/24/11


always out of context, francis
---micha9344 on 3/23/11
LOL you are funny

Do you realize that 3.5 years after Jesus death, peter had not eaten anything unclean? What, did peter not get the memo that God had changed his laws?

Or do you not see that IF the churches were meeting on the first day that the gentiles would not have to come NEXT SABBATH but NEXT DAY?
Or do you not realize that of the word of God was being taught every firstday that Paul would haev said Moses of old... every first day and not every sabbath?

There were a number of christians presentthat very sabbath, so tell us michael, why next sabbath why not next day?
,
---francis on 3/23/11


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There is one truth.
---Trav on 3/23/11

I agree with your last post Trav.
It seems like no matter what doctrine people follow, there are the names of men who are needed to prop up the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I find that in most protestant churches they follow the teachings of Matthew Henry, Charles Spurgeon, John Calvin or John Wesley, and yet, they call out denominations like the SDA for being a cult.

I like what I hear from SDA and think they have many good teachings, but I wish they would drop the teaching they hold near and dear, that teaching which says that believer's who don't keep the Sabbath Law will go to hell.
---David on 3/24/11


Samuel & Francis: Have you noticed that, historically, we SDAs respond to questions on this website by quoting scripture. In fact, we are taught that if we can't prove a doctrine from scripture ALONE then we are to reject it. None of us has ever appealed to the authority of Ellen White in our replies.

The religious bigots on this website, on the other hand, appeal to their "church fathers", "traditions", orthodoxy, etc. to prove their points. And when these pathetic methods fail, they turn to juvenile name calling, as in "CULTIST"!
---jerry6593 on 3/24/11


Jehovah's Witnesses trace their origins to the nineteenth century Adventist movement in America- movement began with William Miller, a Baptist preacher who, in the year 1816.

Not sure but this it what I was told.
Haven't check---

any insight?
---char on 3/23/11


always out of context, francis
---micha9344 on 3/23/11


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When I last taught not once did I quote her.
---Samuel on 3/23/11

You need the SDA. SDA needs you. Otherwise scripture and Christ alone would be enough along with the like minded Christians who don't need an organized name to prop them or them to prop a name.
There is one truth. I find that no organization is the epitomy of it. Some less than others.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Scared? Little like leaving a dysfunctional home. Free..free at last.
---Trav on 3/23/11


SDA teaches a person must keep the Sabbath, and must not eat certain foods
-Rob
THE BIBLE:

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you,
Acts 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
---francis on 3/23/11


\\Sorry cluny too many catholic leaders have endorsed the SDA church:\\

And you are so foolish as to actually think these quotes are an ENDORSEMENT of SDA, francis?

What care I what the Roman Catholic Church says? I'm not a Roman Catholic.
---Cluny on 3/23/11


Samuel and Francis
On occasion I like to watch a T.V. program called Amazing Facts.
Does Doug Batchelor,(The teacher on this program), represent the SDA teachings as you know them to be?

My wife often says that our teachings are much alike.
David

Yes. There are minor variations and we do have some sub groups. But I enjoy Doug Batchelor too.
---Samuel on 3/23/11


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Samuel if what you say is true, why is it the SDA's give a mandate that people purchase, and read the books written by Ellen G. White, and also abide in her teachings? Rob

First it is not a mandate. We do not require you buy her books to join. We do believe she was a prophetess. But her words are less then the Bible which is to be preached and on which our doctrine is to be based.

We had a gentlemen in our church who preached only using her words recently. The Pastor and I took him aside to explain why that was wrong. As well as many members of the church confronted him about the misuse of her writings.

When I last taught not once did I quote her.
---Samuel on 3/23/11


--Rob on 3/22/11
Well look at what OTHERS are saying:
James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.

"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.

Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
---francis on 3/23/11


Samuel and Francis
On occasion I like to watch a T.V. program called Amazing Facts.
Does Doug Batchelor,(The teacher on this program), represent the SDA teachings as you know them to be?

My wife often says that our teachings are much alike.
---David on 3/23/11

Yes what Doug teaches from the booklets are the same as all SDA church teaches. Infact many SDA churches uses the exact same booklets to teach new menbers.

Contrary to what some may say, our teaching are consistant with the bible.
---francis on 3/23/11


YADI YADI YA
stop talking in circles and say exactly what in collosians that SDA do not teach. Why are you guys afraid to come on out and say it?
---francis on 3/23/11


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Sorry cluny too many catholic leaders have endorsed the SDA church:

People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-Day Adventists.. Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

We also say that of all Protestants the Seventh Day Adventist are the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their teaching... Peter R Tramor, the editor of The Catholic Extension magazine
---francis on 3/23/11


\\If you say this is only being done by a minority, there is a very serious problem with the SDA General Conference.
---Rob on 3/22/11\\

Which, BTW, EGW said was God's highest authority on earth, except for herself.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


Samuel and Francis
On occasion I like to watch a T.V. program called Amazing Facts.
Does Doug Batchelor,(The teacher on this program), represent the SDA teachings as you know them to be?

My wife often says that our teachings are much alike.
---David on 3/23/11


Francis, do you deny the SDA teaches a person must keep the Sabbath, and must not eat certain foods?
---Rob on 3/22/11


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Once again, Francis is avoiding what is written in Colossians Chapter Two, and what is taught by the SDA.

There is no doubt in my mind as to the reason. The SDA follows the teaching of Ellen G. White and give her teaching precedence over what is written in the Bible.

This is after Ellen G. White was exposed and also proven to be a FALSE TEACHER and a FALSE PROPHET!!!
---Rob on 3/22/11


Samuel if what you say is true, why is it the SDA's give a mandate that people purchase, and read the books written by Ellen G. White, and also abide in her teachings?

If you say this is only being done by a minority, there is a very serious problem with the SDA General Conference.
---Rob on 3/22/11


\\that is what you say, you and only you. You habve nothing but your you own imagination and biblical missunderstanding of the unchanging God
---francis on 3/22/11\\

Wrong again, francis.

I noticed it 35 years ago with SDA.

So he's not the only one.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


I also know you along with other SDA's avoid Colossians Chapter like it's a plague.
---Rob on 3/22/11

yadi yadi ya

that is what you say, you and only you. You habve nothing but your you own imagination and biblical missunderstanding of the unchanging God
---francis on 3/22/11


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---Samuel Jesus was both fully God and fully man. And the man part of Jesus was tempted but the God part of Jesus was not tempted!!
---mima on 3/22/11


Francis, I know how SDA's would come to a persons home almost everyday talking about the Great Controversy, and other books by EGW, but avoided talking about the Bible. Sounds like J.W's.

I also know you along with other SDA's avoid Colossians Chapter like it's a plague.
Rob

When I first meet SDA they only talked about the Bible. When I give lessons I only talk about the Bible. To be true doctrine must be based on the Bible alone. So while there maybe some who follow what you say they are a minority.

As for avoiding Colossian. I Taught from Colossians two Sabbaths ago when I replaced the Pastor. We had a Sabbath school lesson on it and we discuss it often since it is used against us. I will discuss it with anyone.
---Samuel on 3/22/11


I as a Seventh day Adventist have been told that I have defective Christology since we do not believe in the impecability of JESUS. Or that we talk of JESUS as being a man as well as GOD.

But the Bible teaches JESUS was tempted and was a man. So I do not see this as defective Doctrine.
---Samuel on 3/22/11


---Cluny on 3/22/11

Let me make one correction. SDA do not teach that Satan is their sin bearers. We teach that Jesus took our death ( penalty for sins) on the cross. You may have missunderstood something.

As to michael being Jesus:
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

WHOSE VOICE raises the dead, The Arch angel or Jesus?

There are many more verses EVERY prophecy said about Michael is fullfilled by Jesus
---francis on 3/22/11


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\\3. defective Christology ?? not sure what you mean\\

They teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel (Arianism) and that Satan becomes the Sinbearer.

\\4. doctrinal novelties. The only doctrine taught by SDA and not by others churches is the samctuary doctrine.\\

And how many novelties does it take?

\\All denominations have one or two doctrines that are unique to them. example: Holy Mary Mother of God Queen of Heaven\\

And you think this doctrine is unique to whom?

That the Theotokos is Mother of God is taught in the Scriptures and is NOT unique to Roman Catholicism. Luke 1:43. It's about who JESUS is, not Mary.

As for the rest, the Reformers taught them, too.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


Francis, I know how SDA's would come to a persons home almost everyday talking about the Great Controversy, and other books by EGW (who was a FALSE PROPHET), but avoided talking about the Bible. Sounds like J.W's.

I know about Path Finders, SDA boarding schools, and Union College.

I also know you along with other SDA's avoid Colossians Chapter like it's a plague.
---Rob on 3/22/11


---Cluny on 3/21/11
Let me answer those best i can.
1:radical sectarianism: 2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord

2: authoritative extra-biblical revelation traceable to 1 or 2 people.
Acts 2: your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Many of the prophet that God sent was seen as " extra biblical" and many of them rejected and killed. including Jesus

3. defective Christology ?? not sure what you mean

4. doctrinal novelties. The only doctrine taught by SDA and not by others churches is the samctuary doctrine.
All denominations have one or two doctrines that are unique to them. example: Holy Mary Mother of God Queen of Heaven.
---francis on 3/22/11



---Rob I was raised from day zero to age 13 as a Roman catholic. I was intruduced to the truth at age 13 and baptized at age 19. I took about five years of my teen life to study the bible and teaching of other denominations. If you were forced to go to any church, you would develop bias and hatred and find fault. unlike you i searched for the truth, instead of being bitter. I have much more years of experience than you in the SDA church, both as a teen and as an adult, so i am sorry that you are unable to understand what it means to serve and UNCHANGING GOD, with Jesus saying that till heaven and earth pass away not ONE JOT will be removed from the law
---francis on 3/22/11


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\\So while Rob you may have some personal experience. I who have been a member of the church for 35 years and who have studied the Bible and other church teachings probably have more experience.\\

And I who have been Orthodox for 40 years know better what the Orthodox Church teaches than any SDA.

I don't know how long Ignatius has been Orthodox, but isn't it curious how we speak with one voice? That's because our doctrine come from God and not the traditions and precepts of men.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


Frances, if you are truly naive, and truly unable to comprehend what is written in Scripture, along with what others write on these blogs, then it is no wonder why the SDA's have you duped!
---Rob on 3/21/11


As a Seventh day Adventis I admit that inside our church are those who are prejudiced against the RCC and Orthodox. I also admit that not all our memeber are good Christians and not all follow exactly what the church teaches.

We preach against certain doctrines of other churches. We follow the Bible as the final authority. So while Rob you may have some personal experience. I who have been a member of the church for 35 years and who have studied the Bible and other church teachings probably have more experience.
---Samuel on 3/21/11


\\Is that it.
what is the false witness that SDA have against RCC?
---francis on 3/21/11\\

Isn't that sufficient, francis?

Or are you saying you approve of slandering Orthodox and Roman Catholics?

\\For those of you who think that SDA church is cult, PLEASE DEFINE CULT before going any further.
---francis on 3/21/11\\

I have given the 4 marks of a cult elsewhere on this blog, but for your benefit I will repeat them.

1. radical sectarianism
2. authoritative extra-biblical revelation traceable to 1 or 2 people.
3. defective Christology
4. doctrinal novelties.
---Cluny on 3/21/11


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Both Roman Catholics and Orthodox have been slandered by SDAs. The 10 Commandments forbid bearing false witness.
---Cluny
Is that it.
what is the false witness that SDA have against RCC?
---francis on 3/21/11


For those of you who think that SDA church is cult, PLEASE DEFINE CULT before going any further.
---francis on 3/21/11


francis, for your benefit, I'm cutting and pasting the entire post I made yesterday to answer your question.

\\\\the SDA church teaches and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS\\

Not on the basis of what I've seen here.

Both Roman Catholics and Orthodox have been slandered by SDAs. The 10 Commandments forbid bearing false witness.
---Cluny on 3/20/11\\
---Cluny on 3/21/11


---Rob on 3/21/11
and
---Cluny on 3/20/11

Do not be vague, Speak exactly what you mean.
Rob what commandments in galationis not followed by very specific,
Cluny you say they do not teach and follow all ten based on what you have seen again be specific
---francis on 3/21/11


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Francis, "the SDA teaches and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS"

This is evidence the SDA clearly rejects what is written in Galatians 1:6-through Galatians 3:25, and Colossians 2:8-23.

Frances, remember when I was a teenager I attended SDA Churches. I know what they teach, how they teach, and what they are about.

You may be able to "PULL THE WOOL OVER THE EYES" of those who have no personal experience with the SDA.

But you can't "PULL THE WOOL OVER MY EYES." I have personal and first hand experience regarding the SDA and their teachings.
---Rob on 3/21/11


\\the SDA church teaches and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS\\

Not on the basis of what I've seen here.

Both Roman Catholics and Orthodox have been slandered by SDAs. The 10 Commandments forbid bearing false witness.
---Cluny on 3/20/11


wow, such missinformation about SBA

QUESTION: How mony of you have doubts about your beliefs?
---francis on 3/20/11


WRONG! The SDA doctrines and practices stems from Ellen G White and her interpretations of Scriptures and personal opinions.
---Ignatius on 3/19/11

like what, give specific examples
---francis on 3/20/11


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I think most of you are VERY confused

the SDA church teaches and keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS

many of you are in churches that TALK about TEN commandments but by NO bible command or example you choose the first day as your holy day.

Did it ever occur to any of you that only a CULT would have its' own holy day in replacement of the WORD, COMMAND, and EXAMPLE given in the bible?

Are you really that blind?
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
---francis on 3/20/11


\\So, yes ones who do this "might" have made up some blessed assumptions about Seventh-Day Adventists. And not all Adventists may believe the same thing.\\

What I have said about SDA I have gotten directly from SDA literature.
---Cluny on 3/20/11


Well, we have had ones claiming to be "born-again" and they were saying the Pope was the Anti-Christ. Then they switched to saying President Obama is a Moslem, even though he is pro-gay which is a Moslem abomination. So, yes ones who do this "might" have made up some blessed assumptions about Seventh-Day Adventists. And not all Adventists may believe the same thing. I would need to get to know someone personally, let him or her speak for oneself, instead of making general statements based on what a few people claim to be true for all.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/19/11


".....Does yours?" (Jerry)

We have never said that non-Orthodox Christians will not enter into the Kingdom of God. But traditionally, the SDA have condemned those who worshiped on the first day of the week and those who do not follow the Jewish Sabbath.

"Your religious bigotry has poisoned your mind. "

Ha! You get offended when people speaks against your church, but then you go round about and make bigotry comments about the RCC and Orthodoxy (even claiming we Orthodox are just Catholics, which we are not). You just committed the sin of double standard. Repent.

But like Ellen G White, the demonic spirit of hatred is in many of her followers.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 3/19/11


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"teachings of the SDA Church come from the Bible alone"(Jerry)

WRONG! The SDA doctrines and practices stems from Ellen G White and her interpretations of Scriptures and personal opinions (so say your Fundamental Beliefs on your website). You claim she was a spokesman of God and follow her. How delusional can you be? Those who have studied Scriptures and are guided by Holy Spirit knows she was a false teacher/prophetess who misguided her followers (you are included here, Mr Jerry)

"we do not teach that anyone has YET received the mark..."

I never said that. But Ellen G White did believe those who worshiped on the first day of the week will receive (so say her writings) the Mark.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/19/11


\\ The foundational teachings of the SDA Church come from the Bible alone \\

No, they don't.

\\as with RCC-lite (the Orthodox Church).\\

Is that the best insult for Orthodoxy you can come up with?
---Cluny on 3/19/11


Iggy: "Many SDA hold to this idea today (take Jerry on this site)."

Your religious bigotry has poisoned your mind. The foundational teachings of the SDA Church come from the Bible alone - not from the traditions or teachings of men (or women) as with RCC-lite (the Orthodox Church). The SDA Church is one of the few that teaches the brotherhood (and salvation) of Christians from all denominations. Does yours?

And for the record, we do not teach that anyone has YET received the mark of the beast.
---jerry6593 on 3/19/11


Seventh-day Adventists, in the early days, denied the Trinity, but now they accept it. However, they have "leftovers" from this heresy. Ellen G. White wrote in Patriarchs and Prophets, page 761, "...He (Jesus) was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael the Archangel".

Adventists, you can't have it both ways! Either Jesus Christ is God, or He is some kind of an Angel. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth to try to cover up embarrassing statements by Ellen G. White. They won't tell you she was wrong - when its "her or the Bible", she always wins!
---Pastor_Herb on 3/19/11


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\\Belief/worship of spirits of the dead.\\

You make a big deal out of the Saturday Sabbath commandment.

Why do you break the one that says not to bear false witness, jerry?

NOBODY worships the spirit of the dead, and you've been told this repeatedly.
---Cluny on 3/19/11


Yes, the SDA is a cult. Ellen G White started their church with her false doctrines and prophesies. They exhibit all the signs of a cult:

1) Corrupt Christology
2) Elevated a single human being as their prophet (or in this case, a prophetess) who speaks for God and accepting whatever teachings and interpretations they hold on a religious book [s] (in this case, the Bible).
3) Condemnations to other Christian Groups for holding contrary teachings. Although some SDA do not believe today, Ellen G White condemned the RCC and believe all who worship on Sunday were Satanists and would receive the Mark of the Beast. Many SDA hold to this idea today (take Jerry on this site).

Just to name a few.....

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/19/11


It's just another offspring church from the trin rcc. Just like the luth, presby, bapt etc.
---Lawrence on 3/19/11


It would seem logical that a true cult would believe and teach pagan doctrines ....

Such as:

Belief/worship of spirits of the dead.

Counterfeit "holy" days.

Perpetual virginity of a woman after multiple childbirths.

That bread and wine can actually transform into flesh and blood.

... to name a few.
---jerry6593 on 3/19/11


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I forgot to mention that Walter Martin's Christology tended towards Nestorianism in the classical heretical sense.

I remember John Ankerberg having to shut him up on his program, as Martin was painting himself into a corner.
---Cluny on 3/18/11


This is from

A Christian Outreach to those trapped in cult groups.


SDA's often make every effort to appear "evangelical", joining in with inter-ministry groups and trying to "blend in" with the Christian community.

However, make no mistake about it, they believe they are exclusively correct because they recognize and follow Ellen G. White. Among themselves, they mock the Christian's beliefs, calling our concept of salvation, "cheap grace". They privately consider themselves to be spiritually superior to the rest of us. The sources of many of the above points can found in more detail in the other articles on our web and in the book: SDA's and the Writings of E. G. White.
---Pastor_Herb on 3/18/11


Samuel...Did you know that Walter Martin has been dead for years??????
---KarenD on 3/18/11


\\Walter Martin an Expert on cults says we are not.\\

And who made HIS mouth a prayerbook?

Just as the Pre-denominational church has four marks (One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic), so do cults have 4 marks:

1. Radical sectarianism
2. Defective Christology
3. Authoritative extra-Biblical revelation
4. Doctrinal novelties.

And all four of these are found in SDA.
---Cluny on 3/18/11


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When I was a teenager I was forced to attend SDA Churches. Even though I was still young and knew very little Bible, I knew SDA teaching were off.

Even though they will decline this, I know from personal experice it is a fact SDA's give precidence and authority of Ellen White's teaching over the Bible.
---Rob on 3/18/11


"Only God determains whom is in his flock & who aren't & it is not by where you attend."
---candice on 3/18/11

The above statement is very true.
---mima on 3/18/11


Well I am a Seventh day Adventist and to us we are not a cult. But how do you define a cult?

If you say a cult is a group that has a single leader who they accept above JESUS like moonies. Then no.

If you say that a group that does not believe in the Trinity the supremacy of Scripture and thinks they are the only ones saved. Then again the SDA are not a cult by this standard.

So how is a cult defined. Walter Martin an Expert on cults says we are not.
---Samuel on 3/18/11


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