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Is 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.[Action and function]God is complete in order and function. His Word proceeded out in [Complete order and function].
Job 38(all)7 When the morning stars sang together, [all the sons of God] shouted for joy--[no division]
His Word, is the path that leads right back to where His Word proceeded from--[Him].
Jn 1:1
In the beginning [was the Word], and the Word was with God, and the [Word was God].
[He is] eternal.[He is] Aleph to Tav of [all things].His Word testifies of Him-down to each letter.
I see no teaching of evolution in this.
---char on 4/6/11


The more I understand the ancient Hebrew letters and definitions-the more poetry form that is revealed.
---char on 4/4/11

Hope I live long enough to catch up with ya in Hebrew Lang study you've got going.
Post on this subj, a blessing Char. Thanks for sharing your language experience/walk.
Psa 111:1 Praise ye the LORD. I will praise the LORD with my whole heart, in the assembly of the upright,in the congregation.
Psa 111:2 Works of the LORD are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.
Psa 111:4 He hath made his wonderful works to be remembered: LORD is gracious and full of compassion.
Psa 111:5 He hath given meat unto them that fear him: he will ever be mindful of his covenant.
---Trav on 4/6/11


//---Bill_willa6989 on 4/5/11//

I have posted a reply to you.
Yes, Was my answer, thanking you for your understanding.
Hopefully this will be posted.
If not, I will post again.

Trav-I am not sure if my post to you went through, I will stroll through and check later when I have more time.

Praise Him for His mercy and Grace.
---char on 4/6/11


Warwick,
I have given my position and understanding of the Ancient Hebrew writing. I encourage everyone-[do not take my word for it or any other mans word-study on your own for confirmation].1Jn5(all)
As express-The eastern perspective did not [think] in a western perspective, therefore, Bereshiyt could not have been written in chronological order.(God spoke the end from the beginning.Is46:10,Mat13:23)
With the ancient Hebrew culture the script style confirms [He Is] throughout-aleph to tav, the beginning and ending of [all things], this is an inspired purpose and no accident. [All Worlds-framed by the Word of God]Purpose for repentance unto remission.Bereshiyt Elohyim barah...
2Kg 6:17,Jer1:4-5,Mal 1,1-3,Rom 9:11-13,Rev 21:10-2
---char on 4/6/11


//Have you met Trav? You two should get along swimmingly!
---jerry6593 on 4/5/11//

Me-you-Trav etc..and every soul that belongs to God, may need some decipline at times.
Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Phil 2 (all)
14Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

I guess you could call it a swim...

Praise Him for His mercy and Grace.
---char on 4/6/11




Hi, Char . . . I think you are saying that the Scripture does not teach evolution. And I think you are saying that Genesis is chiefly about God's action, not just historical timing. And so, in the beginning . . . God was beginning . . . acting . . . so this, you are saying leaves out the possibility of evolution as many teach it. Ones believe that physical and scientific and therefore predictable principles brought about life being on earth. But if all were because of physical predictable principles, how come material principles did not produce this universe and living things sometime earlier in all past eternity??? God bless you, too (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/5/11


I have no trouble with either, actually.
And I don't see any reason to limit God to either interpretation, though many people do.
---Cluny on 3/29/11

Interesting non fearful statement.
There is no problem. Except to certain doctrines. Perhaps spotlighting climbing in some other way....who knows. It's GOD's world, if he had a long period after the 7th day sooo? Nothing is evolving...just earth creation cycling through periods. Like Dinosaurs. It's shadowy and speculative based on info available...for now. Adams line is there, well doc'd.
Job 36:3
I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker
Psalm 96:3
Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.
---Trav on 4/5/11


char: I'll bet your posts make a great deal of sense to you

Have you met Trav?
---jerry6593 on 4/5/11

Jerry...our scriptures precept with precept in foundation areas. Common blessing when multiple witnesses stones are laid for foundation. We've have never met except through scripture.
She takes her study too levels few do. She asks the "only" teacher as obvious.
She does not teach,letting scripture speak/draw who it will.
She does not provoke....like I do and will. I would rather have you mad enough to prove me wrong....than passive,lukewarm and agreeable in error.
Revelation 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
---Trav on 4/5/11


Char, I am sure I am not the only one who wonders what you mean.

Because of what Jesus and the apostles wrote I am confident that no matter how it was written, what styles of writing used, Genesis is to be taken as historical fact, and Genesis 1 specifically to be a chronological record of God's creation. Do you or do you not agree with this?
---Warwick on 4/5/11


char: I'll bet your posts make a great deal of sense to you and may even somehow relate to the blog question - but I doubt they do to the rest of us.

Have you met Trav? You two should get along swimmingly!
---jerry6593 on 4/5/11




Ex20:11-My reference in veiw of [AhSH]-idea of Doing something-Or to do Work--[separating and filling]in six days.

//--Poetry? Yes. Absolute truth? Yes. ----Warwick on 4/4/11///--Agreed

The more I understand the ancient Hebrew letters and definitions-the more poetry form that is revealed.Every letter defined-every root combined is its beauty.Hebraic is full of idoms-and Parellism(to me is poetry)--throughout its perspective.Hebrews loved to put words together that sound alike-using chiasmus form and word puns[considered bad sentence structure to the western mind.]
Bereshiyt 1:1-2 is in parellism not chronological- defined by each letter and structure.
Yom echhad-Day one is a parellel of all six days-Day of unity-Gen 1:5
---char on 4/4/11


//Char - did you ever read or attempt to answer brother Jerry's question?

Your sentence structure -- yikes!!!
---larry on 4/4/11 //

[My] sentence structure?--I do write choppy on more then one occasion-I will attempt to do better.

As to the question-Why do some non-scientific Christians beleive so strongly in Evolution?

//Frankly-
I personally don't see The Word of God having anything to do with confirming Evolution. Perhaps someone can [explain/respectably] and show me where one pertains to the other.--char on 4/4/11///

thanks-
---char on 4/4/11


Char - did you ever read or attempt to answer brother Jerry's question?

Your sentence structure -- yikes!!!
---larry on 4/4/11


As stated below, the beauty of the poetic Ancient Hebraic writing does just fine.
---char on 4/4/11

It was beautiful, of the foundational language.

The only post's I've ever printed off this site for possible precept ties.

Proverbs 31:30
Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.

Ezekiel 37:20
And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

They will balance.
---Trav on 4/4/11


//larry on 4/4/11//

Frankly-
I personally don't see The Word of God having anything to do with confirming Evolution. Perhaps someone can [explain/respectably] and show me where one pertains to the other.
Bara- fill/fatten
ashsh-to do work/doing something
Ex 20:11For in six days the LORD made[ashsh] heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
BR-"house of Head" or a family of grains like wheat.
Food to [fill up] live stock or people with or Fatten something such as the Heavens
Gen 1:1/Ex20:11
the result of work being done
---char on 4/4/11


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---Jonathan on 4/4/11


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Char if you knew Hebrew poetry you would know there is only one line of it in Genesis 1, vs 27 "...in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them."

Exodus 20:11 is not written in the style of Hebrew poetry.

Psalms makes considerable use of poetry to convey God's point which, as always is truth. Some would have us believe that poetry does not convey truth. They are wrong. For example see Psalm 19 verse 1 "The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands."

Poetry? Yes. Absolute truth? Yes. -
---Warwick on 4/4/11


Char, what does ancient Hebrew lexicon have to do with Christians believing the lie of Godless evolution?
You lost me.
---larry on 4/4/11


char:

//Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ...

Any questions?
---jerry6593 on 4/4/11//


No jerry-thanks.
As stated below, the beauty of the poetic Ancient Hebraic writing does just fine.
---char on 4/4/11


The Gap idea makes nonsense of Jesus' comment.
Who is correct Jesus, who was there, and cannot lie, or falible sinful man who lies.
---Warwick on 4/4/11

Why man & world doctrinal man can be the and are the liars, of course. Why I cannot take any of your opinions for any worth.
It must be backed by scripture,
prophets/Christ/Apostles.

You give one, male and female. Male and female are recorded in both Gen accts. Second account the female came from Adam.
All this really is just an exercise for an unknown question...or two.
Adam/Israel is the subject/People line followed, Genesis to Revelations. That is a witnessed fact back to front point. Strange that most doctrines avoid and despise this area.
---Trav on 4/4/11


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I cannot imagine the whole world was destroyed (supposedly by Satan's flood)
Also as I have pointed out many times
---Warwick on 4/4/11

You can't imagine it...you don't know,you've never considered,its scary...so your offense/defense is weight of you "pointed out" many times. Think we memorize your pointings? Ha. Ur a daisy.
Doctrinally/peaked, you can't study/search anywhere.
Doctrinal pedestal is a small platform.
Precept upon precept....will gobble a little pedestal. Provided there are precepts.
(satans flood)...where was that? Missed it somewhere.)

Acts 17:11......they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
---Trav on 4/4/11


Ancient Hebrew normal structure is:
Verb---Subject---object
Ex:
Drove Paul the car.
When hebrew does something different, it is telling something-emphatic
If it is written:
Paul drove the car.
It should acturally be translated as:
Paul had driven the car.
Again,
If Hebrew puts the subject first-then the verb-Then it is in the past perfect.
-Parellel-
Days of [Separation],
1-light from Darkness
2-water from sky
3-water from the land
Days of [filling],
4-sun,moon,stars
5-water with fish and sky with birds
6-land with plants,animals,people
Earth became empty-which is why Elohiym had to fill it.
---char on 4/3/11


I cannot imagine the whole world was destroyed (supposedly by Satan's flood) and God's word does not even hint at it!

Also as I have pointed out many times Jesus, the Creator, and the apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis, always as historical fact. And without one word about this destruction.

Further Jesus, when talking of the foundation of marriage (Mark 10:6-8) says man was made at the beginning of creation. Genesis covers only one beginning therefore man was made on the 6th every-day ordinary 24hr day, not after some vast period of time. The Gap idea makes nonsense of Jesus' comment. Who is correct Jesus, who was there, and cannot lie, or falible sinful man who lies.
---Warwick on 4/4/11


char:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ...

Any questions?
---jerry6593 on 4/4/11


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Inserting long ages between day 7 and Adam is a childish attempt to justify Darwinism,... ---jerry6593 on 4/2/11

Ur doctrine is first. Searching is not verboten for me.
You...it is.
Darwinism is false,evolution is false. Eyeballs cannot evolve etc.

Cain married someone it most likely was pre-Adam creation. Earth is older than 6,000 years. You appear fearful you'll crumble if any grain of sand is removed from your doctrinal foundation.

My rock is still a rock any way you want to chisel at it.
Deut 32:31
For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deuteronomy 32:37
And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
---Trav on 4/4/11


Hebraic perspective is concrete.
Greco Roman is abstract.
Abstract is time related.
Concrete is action.
Greco-Roman translated Ancient Hebrew by translating a verb related to action into an english word related to time-but-[there are difference]
again, Bereshiyt 1:1-2 is in parellism not chronological order.
First 3days Elohyim separated.
Next 3days Elohyim filled.
why?
''the earth had existed.''
"the earth became empty" confirms Why elohyim had to fill it.
---char on 4/3/11


God is eternal-He has no beginning nor end [He Is] the beginning and end of [all things].
Evolution?--is not in the beautiful poetic writtings of the Ancient Hebrew nor with the Word Written-down to each letter.
Bereshiyt 1:2--wehaarets haitah tohu wavohu...

v/we 'ha' arets---and the land
hayah[hai'tah]---existed
If the ancient Hebrew puts the subject first than the verb-then it is in the [past tense].
*Subject of the verb is vaha'rets(and the land)
*Verb (haytah-femine-she is the land) existed
*Object-to hu-w/wavohu(empty and unfilled)
Meaning it is in the past perfect
[the earth had existed]became
Verbs-perfect and Imperfect
Perfect means completed actions
Imperfect means incomplete action.
---char on 4/3/11


Gappists create a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 2 hoping to bring Genesis into line with long-ages belief.

Gappists say verse 2 "Now the earth was formless and empty" should be rendered-became formless and empty. This is contradicted by the rules of Hebrew grammar.

Genesis ch. 1 is God's seamless chronological account of creation and the truth is obvious: God created the heavens and the earth from nothing. The earth was initially formless, its form came later, "..let the dry ground appear." vs 9. Also empty as God had yet to create any living creature to fill the earth.

Notice how the whole account is connected together by 'and' (93 and's last time I counted). There is no room for any gap.
---Warwick on 4/2/11


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Trav: If you believe the Bible, you would have to admit that:

Exo 20:11 For in SIX DAYS the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is...

Inserting long ages between day 7 and Adam is a childish attempt to justify Darwinism, and is clearly ANTI-BIBLICAL! Besides, Adam and Eve were created on day 6, not after Creation Week, as:

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.

Gen 1:31 ... And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
---jerry6593 on 4/2/11


Paul: The gap theory that you propound is refuted by the Bible itself:
---jerry6593 on 3/31/11

Not anti-Biblical.
Anti-Doctrinal..."Yours" jerry. Scripture states,world, man, woman created 6 days 7th day rest. Then....Adam created a rib taken for his woman.
Asking GOD is not a sin. Challenging doctrines of "men" is not a sin. Except self anointed preachy boys.
Watching scared doctrinals panic is not a sin. Feeling doctrinally threatened you and yours oppose any search.
Six days creation...no problem, it happened. There may be a several hundred thousand year between 7th day of rest and Adam. This is your doctrinal problem. Not everyones. Pre Adamites... possible,logical.
---Trav on 4/1/11


Paul: The gap theory that you propound is refuted by the Bible itself:

Exo 20:11 For in SIX DAYS the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is...

What motivates you to adhere to such anti-biblical doctrine? Certainly not the convincing language of Gen 1. It is a stretch at best.
---jerry6593 on 3/31/11


This breaks down the barrier between fossils that predate the "interpreted" account of creation.
---Paul on 3/30/11

Ha. It is worth noting that when one is searching foundational information....lack of witnesses is important.
Except when the witnesses are in the thousands against a doctrine. Then the less said the better about witnesses. A preacher thing,easily doc'd.

There are few witnesses, in Pre Adam history. I believe for a couple of reasons. One, it doesn't change the Lineage of Adam through Israel....GOD takes care of that. GOD can reveal anything he wants to anyone who asks....if it is proper to do so. I ask GOD for answers. Not doctrinals who depend on other men for their education and witness.
---Trav on 3/31/11


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Paul, the Gap Theory you propose is a discredited non Biblical idea and not promoted much today.

If it was a fact we should be able to see it mentioned somewhere in the whole of Scripture. It isnt. Jesus and the apostles aluded to or quoted from the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times with not even a hint of the Gap Theory.

The theory arose in the 1800's when Biblical commentators were intimidated by 'scientific fact' regarding Uniformitarianism and long-ages. These ideas are not scientific fact but these Biblical commentators were not scientifically knowledgeable enough to know this.

Therefore the Gap Theory does not come from a straight-forward reading of Genesis, but is a worldly view imposed upon Scripture.
---Warwick on 3/30/11


This breaks down the barrier between fossils that predate the "interpreted" account of creation.
---Paul on 3/30/11

Establish...I do not believe in Evolution Not possible or logical.

First flood was Global,sea floor fossil found on mountaintops. As to your study, there are datable objects. Chrystals grow at a given rate. The largest known Crystals require special conditions to grow 1mm per year. The largest are 400,000 years old. Establishing a point in scripture.

Pre Adam...yes,but how far? Adam & Post Adam,known to extent of record.
Todays Doctrines,like pharisee's & sadducee's block/hedge themselves ...again.
Cain most likely married/joined with Pre Adamites.
---Trav on 3/30/11


The Genesis account was a 'Restoring' of the earth, I'll explain: Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
A lot of time went by between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, watch this!
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void, Stop. Now, 'was' in Hebrew meant to exist, to become, or came to pass! So the translation would read: Gen 1:2 And the earth came to be without form and void! This breaks down the barrier between fossils that predate the "interpreted" account of creation. For any non-believers out there, here's a question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? And the next time you're brushing your teeth, remember, the evidence for God's existence can be seen in every mirror!
---Paul on 3/30/11


Warwick: Interesting - the connection between the occult and Darwinism! It is a little known fact that just prior to his "epiphany" on the Galapogos Islands, Darwin went ashore in South America where he participated in a witchcraft ceremony.

His predecessor, Emanuel Swendenborg, got his "Nebular Hypothesis Theory" while attending a spiritualist seance.
---jerry6593 on 3/30/11


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Jerry further to uncritical thinking I have a copy of a paper produced by the Sceptics Bainbridge and Stark, entitled 'Superstitions Old and New.' Their research showed that those in denominations which reject evolution are the most likely to reject superstitions, cults and popular pseudoscience. Their research also showed that those who accept Darwinism are much more likely to be ensnared by strange cults, including occultism.

So will ridding the world of Bible-believing Christins bring in a new golden age of reason? Apparently not.
---Warwick on 3/29/11


Cluny you say "I have no trouble with either, actually" calling the two views interpretations. In reality there is nothing in Scripture that anyone, Christian or not, could interpret as a description of evolution. Only 6-day creation, absolutely nothing else.

The reason you have no problem comes from the fact that in your philosophy man decides truth, not God.

To take God at His word is not to 'limit' Him but to show we worship and trust Him, as the absolute authority. Those who will not trust God impose a limit upon themselves.
---Warwick on 3/29/11


I have no trouble with either, actually.

And I don't see any reason to limit God to either interpretation, though many people do.
---Cluny on 3/29/11


Hi James:

"But I have met some people who just have trouble with 24 hours"

Me too. In fact, I was once one of them. People have the right to believe whatever they want, and it is understandable that atheists, secular humanists, etc. would embrace a naturalistic explanation of Creation - But NOT Bible believing Christians. In that vein, it is my singular goal to get Christians to examine their motives for embracing a concept which contradicts the Bible they claim to believe, and undermines faith in the Creator Himself.

1Ki 18:21 .... How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him.
---jerry6593 on 3/29/11


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James, I believe the test of a person's committment to God is how they accept or do not accept His word. Genesis ch.1 plus Exodus 20:8-11, and 31: 14-17 clearly say God created in 6 ordinary (24hr) days. Scripture gives no other time-frame. Therefore those who have another view are not getting it from Scripture but from man's ideas. I believe Colossians 2:8 speaks to this "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ."

Whose captive should faithful Christians be? Captive to the world and its spiritual forces or captive to Christ?
---Warwick on 3/28/11


Jerry: It's James again....

In writing what I did, I did not want to say I disbeleive the 24 hours idea. I am just saying that maybe we should not be too hard on people who:

(1) Beleive God made the world
(2) Beleive nothing is made that God did not make
(3) Beleive that Jesus died for our sins

BUT have trouble with the idea of 24 hours.

Many people, of couorse, dispute the 24 hours as a way to get away from the idea of God making the universe - there we MUST dispute such an idea

But I have met some people who just have trouble with 24 hours..... if they accept God did the making, I can just say that I agree God made the world, but believe it was in 6 days of 24 hours
---James on 3/28/11


Oh Cluny ....... I'm still waiting.
---jerry6593 on 3/28/11


I do not know of one real genuine Christian whom believes in false evolution, for evolution is antiBiblical, antiGod, antiTruth, antiReality, and antiChrist.
---Eloy on 3/24/11


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Cluny: "As soon as you bring your scientific evidence to the contrary. Fair enough?" Fair enough! I just gave you five. Where are yours?

Warwick: It is clear that Cluny has no idea why he must cling to false, long-age interpretations of the Bible. We must conclude that such beliefs form a part of his secular blind faith religion inculcated by the academia he so highly esteems.
---jerry6593 on 3/24/11


Note that day is used with a number in Genesis 1. It is used as a singular or plural with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it
always means an ordinary day.

Evening and morning are used together without day 38 times outside Genesis 1 and it always indicates an ordinary day.

Evening or morning are used 23 times each with day outside Genesis 1 and it always means an ordinary day.

And night is used with day 52 times and it always indicates an ordinary day.
---Warwick on 3/23/11


Cluny, Jerry is correct in saying the Bible gives no other time frame for creation than six days.

As God defines day length in Genesis 1:3-5, confirming this in Exodus 20:8-11 and 31:14-17 you are wrong in saying the Bible does not "give any hint that they were indeed ordinary earthly days."

As quoted many times before (which you have been unable to contradict) the language used in the above Scriptures means ordinary earth-rotation days, as used throughout the OT and NT.

Your beliefs on this issue are not from Scripture.
---Warwick on 3/23/11


\\the Bible gives no hint whatsoever that Creation was anything other than six ordinary days\\

Nor does it give any hint that they were indeed ordinary earthly days.

But I will not deny that an earthly week is an emblem of the days of creation.

Regarding the time-span of creative days, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
---Cluny on 3/23/11


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James: While the length of days may be controversial with men (as indeed what subject isn't), the Bible gives no hint whatsoever that Creation was anything other than six ordinary days followed by one holy rest day. Thus was our week established and continues until this day.

Such language in Genesis as "the evening and the morning were the ___th day (ereb + boqer = yom)" and in Exodus as "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth" give no hint of long age interpretation, and in fact COMMAND us to count six days and rest the seventh. Now how can we do that if we don't know how long a day is?
---jerry6593 on 3/23/11


Cluny: "You are the only one giving the impious suggestion that God is lying, jerry, not I."

Oh really?

God said: "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth"

Cluny said: No He didn't. He may have taken billions of years.

I agree with God. It is you who are calling Him a liar.

As for scientific proofs against evolution, many have already been given, but I'll indulge you one more time. Evolution requires long ages (billions of years), which is why you try to force the Bible to agree with you. Several proofs which refute long ages are: lunar recession, meteroite dust accretion rate, polystrate fossils & trees, accelerator mass spectrometer C-14 dating of fossils, etc.
---jerry6593 on 3/23/11


"I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation."

"But I was very unwilling to give up my belief ... Thus disbelief crept over me at very slow rate, but was at last complete."

From Darwin's bio.
Thanks a ton Paul, wow!!!


As to the question the answer is a rebellious heart.
---larry on 3/22/11


\\//Were these earthly days? I think not.
---Cluny on 3/19/11//

And why not? Do you always believe that God is lying or intentionally trying to deceive us?\\

You are the only one giving the impious suggestion that God is lying, jerry, not I.

But I do know from Isaiah that God doesn't even THINK the same way you do, and from several other places in the Bible that He doesn't keep time the way we do on earth.

\\Again I challenge you to produce your very best scientific evidence that upholds your contention that Evolution - in any form - played a part in Creation.\\

As soon as you bring your scientific evidence to the contrary. Fair enough?
---Cluny on 3/22/11


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jerry6593: From what I read from older Christians (whom we DO NOT have to agree with, but can consider their views as possible) there has been a lot of dispute as to what exactly the 'day' in Gen 1 meant. Some, like Jerome (who translate the Vulgate, as it is now known), felt that ther was no NEED to view the days as 'eartly days', while Augustine (Augustanisism versus Pelaginism) felt it was.....

I just mean that the view on 'day' in Gen 1 has been controversial for many CENTURIES
---James on 3/21/11


When Cain told God, "All who find me will slay me, ...
---Cluny on 3/18/11

To me does witness in part. ..a viable very realistic possible.
Genesis says it is about Generations of Adam.
Modern Church teaching assumes all of us. But, regardless it is lineage of Adam.
Noah was perfect in his Generations....unadulterated by who? Just a couple of Modern church choices. Or local "erets" country possibles.
There was no Global Flood....other civilizations march through flood period and a different cycle begins. Noah lineage of Adam-Israel. Is-ra-EL....A governmental "Ruling with GOD" story.
Whether one world government by man "modern" men like it or not. Of little concern to GOD.
---Trav on 3/20/11


//Were these earthly days? I think not.
---Cluny on 3/19/11//

And why not? Do you always believe that God is lying or intentionally trying to deceive us?

Again I challenge you to produce your very best scientific evidence that upholds your contention that Evolution - in any form - played a part in Creation.

If you can't produce it, why do you believe and defend it? That's what we call BLIND FAITH!
---jerry6593 on 3/20/11


Cluny: "i refuse to tell Him what He may and may not do."

You also refuse to listen to Him when He tells you exactly how He created!
---jerry6593 on 3/20/11


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You can call it evolution, big bang theory or whatever pretty wrapper you wish to place on the package.

But it is a means constructed by secularists to negate God in creation.

If one admits God created the universe and all therein then one must admit they should do as He commands.

You see it happening?

You ll find very few who believe God is the creator but reject the fact that we should live for Him, they may not live it but they know they should perhaps some backsliders or rebellious ones, but very few.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/20/11


For those who think God is front and center in evolution

Charles Darwins autobiography :

"Formerly I was led by feelings such as those just referred to, (although I do not think that the religious sentiment was ever strongly developed in me), to the firm conviction of the existence of God, and of the immortality of the soul."

"I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation."

"But I was very unwilling to give up my belief ... Thus disbelief crept over me at very slow rate, but was at last complete."

"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble to us, and I for one must be content to remain an Agnostic."

BE CAREFUL, Paul
---paul on 3/20/11


\\They fail to understand that all things living and all tings that exist are so by design. Therefore if there is a design there must be a designer. They do not have faith.
---Larry_WayneThomas on 3/19/11\\

Maybe this is how God works out His designs.

i refuse to tell Him what He may and may not do.
---Cluny on 3/19/11


Evolution is NOT the same thing as the Big Bang theory.
---Cluny on 3/19/11


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They fail to understand that all things living and all tings that exist are so by design. Therefore if there is a design there must be a designer. They do not have faith.
---Larry_WayneThomas on 3/19/11


My case against evolution, (1) big bangs do not create, they destroy (2) Life/rebirth is a continous process, the way it happened last year is the way it's happening now. If monkey changed to man before, then it should still be happening now (3)Evolution is fiction (4) God is real, i believe HIM, HE created all things.
---Adetunji on 3/19/11


Cluny

Your right I did get them backwards.

But the point remains, consider your tactic, when factually bankrupt attack grammatically,personally or discredit.

All liberal diversionary tactics designed to divert the attention off the issue.

Correction Adam and Eve and

What Cain was referring to.

Is that better?

Ge 4:1 Able was born apparently early on to Adam

Ge 4:25 and 5:3-4 presents Seth's birth to a 130 year old Adam

So reason indicates the people of Nod were descendants if you have proof to the contrary then present it.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/19/11


create a river,a canyon evolves.
how can we have one without the other?
---kevin5443 on 3/19/11


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\\Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is....?\\

Were these earthly days? I think not.
---Cluny on 3/19/11


Being an EX-believer in evolution I'd say most who believe in evolution do so because they were indoctrinated with it.

Most schools, TV documentaries, news articles all push evolution onto us. There is no fair and equal presentation of both beliefs permitted. One-sided debates are meant to control thought (the mainstream media is a good example).

And most people are not objective thinkers. University lecturers even recognize that the great majority of their students just follow whatever their taught in evolution without any questions. They then graduate and take positions perpetuating what is merely a dominant unscientific belief system.
---Haz27 on 3/19/11


//Why do you refuse to admit the idea that God will work through natural processes that He Himself set up?
---Cluny on 3/18/11
//

Why do you refuse to admit that God was NOT LYING when He wrote with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is....?

Again I challenge you to produce your very best scientific evidence that upholds your contention that Evolution - in any form - played a part in Creation.

If you can't produce it, why do you believe and defend it? That's what we call BLIND FAITH!
---jerry6593 on 3/19/11


Cluny: "And who is this Atom person?"

Isn't he the guy who invented that big, nasty bomb?
---jerry6593 on 3/19/11


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\\Several generations had lapsed between the brothers birth and their falling out.\\

Had they, now?

Or are you just assuming they had?

Where's your proof, as according to Geneesis and 1 Chronicles, Seth was not born until AFTER the murder of Abel.
---Cluny on 3/18/11


Part 2:

''The people Able was referring to were the people of Nod.

These were descendants of Atom and Eves.''

You seem to have confused Cain and Abel.

And who is this Atom person? I don't find him anywhere in the Bible.
---Cluny on 3/18/11


Cluny

The people Able was referring to were the people of Nod.

These were descendants of Atom and Eves.

Several generations had lapsed between the brothers birth and their falling out.
Thus producing other people.

Ge 4:3 And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to
the LORD.
Gos Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/18/11


\\My Bible witnesses point to pre Adam world.....that may have taken thousands of years to gradually change. Adam was just a Spirit infused being. \\

When Cain told God, "All who find me will slay me," and God replied, "Whoever kills Cain shall be avenged seven fold"--doesn't this imply there were other people (perhaps non-Homo sapiens hominids) somewhere at that point?
---Cluny on 3/18/11


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It would appear that all spiecies evolve within itself. New types of dogs, cats, or birds. Even man is larger and stronger on the average than 300 years ago. Inter spices evolution is not possible. There is no cat-dog, ape-man, or cabbit. Science long ago proved that spieces can not cross breed. Man from lower forms of animals is un-biblical. All lower forms were spoken into existence, mankind God formed from the dust of the earth. Lower forms were created alive, man God breathed the breath of live into. Mankind is the only "living soul" mentioned in all of creation.
---Harold on 3/18/11


So you believe God created humans as monkeys and re-created us as humans or were their various intervals in between?

Ge 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them.

So according to this God must be a monkey or pond slime or something other than a Spirit if were in His image.

Evolution is laughable at best, makes for a good science-fiction read but not serious science.


God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/18/11


Why do you refuse to admit the idea that God will work through natural processes that He Himself set up?
---Cluny on 3/18/11

With Cluny to sum point.
GOD made the natural world with scientific laws. The Bible and science do not disagree.
Doctrines that have "NO" scriptural or scientific witness argue because of opinion.
My Bible witnesses point to pre Adam world.....that may have taken thousands of years to gradually change. Adam was just a Spirit infused being.
Was never a "Global" round earth flood except at creation. Not only is there no scientific proof, Hebrew doesn't say there was global earth flood. Late AD Doctrines adopted, promote this. Actually fulfilling scripture.
---Trav on 3/18/11


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