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It is interesting that people continue to say that Jesus is re-crucified at every Mass. At Mass, it is as if time stands still and we step into eternity. We are present at THE Crucifixion of our Lord. We partake of the precious Body and Blood that He COMMANDED us to partake! Read John Chapter 6. Those who did not believe, He let walk away. He did not correct them about what He told them. Please look at what the early fathers of the church said about Mass and the Eucharist! Believe!
---Philomena on 3/30/11


If transubstantiation is true then this statement must necessarily be true also.

"THEY RE-CRUCIFY JESUS CHRIST AT EACH AND EVERY MASS!
---John on 3/29/11
---mima on 3/30/11


And of course, you learn all you need to know about anything through a TV show, right?

I watch that show regularly, and they say next to nothing about Orthodoxy.
---Cluny

Well considering it is a movie. I do not know how you watch it regurlaly.

I agree you cannot learn everything from a movie. But this semidocumentary does bring up good points. Also the RCC and the Orthodox have some things in common. Which includes iconography. As far as I know they are in agreement on that point.
---Samuel on 3/30/11


Cluny:

I am curious how Filoque actually affects one's life in any manner. Is there anything that one would do, believing in Filoque that one would NOT do, disbelieving it? (or vice versa?)

If so, it would be good to know just WHY it is important. But if not, then it's a purely theoretical question, and fighting over it is silliness.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/11


THEY RE-CRUCIFY JESUS CHRIST AT EACH AND EVERY MASS!
---John on 3/29/11




\\I watched the show religuous with Bill Maher recently.\\

And of course, you learn all you need to know about anything through a TV show, right?

I watch that show regularly, and they say next to nothing about Orthodoxy.
---Cluny on 3/29/11


Dear Cluny I have dealt with my issues with both the RCC and the Orthodox based on their teachings.

I watched the show religuous with Bill Maher recently. One point a Catholic made to him is that the saints that are prayed to are like demigods. They in effect take the place of GOD. Prayers are directed to them that only should be directed to GOD.

This is a problem with both groups. Now neither group say this is so. But it looks like, acts like and seems like that Saint are treated as demigods. Very similar to Hinduism.

Bill took potshots at protestants also. Some of which were well deserved.
---Samuel on 3/29/11


\\The Filioque controversy is just historical baggage\\

Not from the Orthodox viewpoint.

What have you actually read about it, John.usa?
---Cluny on 3/29/11


The Filioque controversy is just historical baggage. It has absolutely no effect on the day-to-day lives of anyone, Catholic or Orthodox, except those who want to make it an issue of it and become exercised over it.
---John.usa on 3/28/11


Very little is actually known about Mithraism, but people who don't know what they are talking about make up things about it, the same way that people who don't know what they are talking about make up something on which to project their hates and fears and call it "Roman Catholicism."

Nobody here deals with the REAL issues of Roman Catholicism, such as Filioque.

I guess it's because Protestantism is infected with the same heresy.
---Cluny on 3/28/11




What happens at " mass" is no different from what happens in " church."

People pray, they sing, they greet each other, there is a bible reading or two, there is a surmon, there is communion/ lord's supper.

What i like about mass is the reverence that the people show while they are at mass, and the respect they have for thier priests.
---francis on 3/28/11


The third facet of Rome's claim is that that Christ "is offered in an unbloody manner." Note that in the quotation under discussion, Rome claims "Christ...is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner." Scripture equates offering and suffering. In a propitiatory sacrifice, to offer and to suffer are the same thing. This truth is so important that it is given in Scripture as an absolute principle, "without shedding of blood is no remission."(66) Hence in this context to propose a bloodless sacrifice is to claim as sacrifice that which cannot be a sacrifice as defined by Scripture. A bloodless sacrifice is a senseless contradiction that can have no purpose other than to deceive.
---kathr4453 on 3/28/11


Amen Kathr4453

I meet many people in rcc who are in shock when they open their minds and read about the Mirtha's and actually SEE exactly how the rcc mirrors this pagan religion it is almost identical ...although sadly many within rcc simply cannot do this because they have given their minds and souls to the mortal pope (per their cathechism) and simply defend their cherished rcc RATHER THAN open their minds to Holy Word of God
---Rhonda on 3/27/11


"The doctrine of transubstantiation, however, has Jesus being sacrificed repeatedly." ---kathr4453

This is a serious misunderstanding and false information about what Catholics believe. In transubstantiation, Jesus' sacrifice is re-presented. Jesus is NOT re-sacrificed. You can go Catholic websites like EWTN or Catholic Answers for a complete description.
---Philomena on 3/26/11


Gosh, I've attended hundreds of Catholic masses, and I never heard it even implied that Christ was being killed there on the altar. That's all new to me. Mithraism taught doctrines of heaven and hell, an atoning sacrifice, a Logos, a last judgment, a bodily resurrection, and a fiery end of the world. There were many similarities to Christianity.
---John.usa on 3/26/11


Mithraism was a mystery religion centered on the god Mithras, became popular among the military in the Roman Empire, from the 1st to 4th centuries AD. Information on the cult is based mainly on interpretations of the many surviving monuments. The most characteristic of these are depictions of Mithras as being born from a rock, and as sacrificing a bull. His worshippers had a complex system of seven grades of initiation, with ritual meals. They met in underground temples. The cult appears to have had it's epicentre in Rome.

Sorry Johnusa, Christianity has nothing in common with this!
---kathr4453 on 3/26/11


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All branches of Christianity resemble Mithraism somewhat, not just Catholicism. And evangelical Protestantism resembles Manichaeism in many respects, especially in the great power it attributes to Evil Forces. :-)
---John.usa on 3/26/11


Exactly Rhonda. And Fat, tuesday, the day before the first day of lent( a catholic tradition now in our protestant churches) is also from pagan old roman tradition going all the way back to who kows when, having nothing what so ever to do with carrying over any Jewish traditions. There was no DAY Jews could sin to their hearts content, teh day before the Day of Atomenent or any other DAY.

We take communion and are commanded to rememer HIS DEATH until He come..to do in remembrance of Him. Is remembering His death the medicine of immortaliity? Absolutely not! My immortality is based on His Risen life.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/11


Hebrews 7:26,27, 9:24-28 - Old Testament priests offered sacrifices repeatedly, but Jesus does not need to offer daily sacrifices. He offered Himself once for all.

Hebrews 10:1-4,9,10,12,18 - Animal sacrifices had to be repeated because they could not really take away sins. If they could take away sins, they would have ceased to be offered. Jesus finally offered the one sacrifice that can take away sins, so it ceased to be offered.

The doctrine of transubstantiation, however, has Jesus being sacrificed repeatedly. This flatly contradicts the Bible. It also implies that Jesus' sacrifice was not adequate to take away sins. The reason animal sacrifices had to be repeated was that they could not take away sins.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/11


\\rcc's traditions borrowed from pagan Mirtha's are NOT found in Holy Word of God\\

Except there aren't any.
---Cluny on 3/25/11


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rcc mass is from the pagan Mirtha's

rcc kills THEIR Christ at mass

there are TWO Christs 2Corin 11:4

one is a pagan counterfeit superimposed OVER Holy Word of God drowning in mens religious reasoning

Biblical Christ is identified in Holy Word of God as having a LITTLE FLOCK

rcc's traditions borrowed from pagan Mirtha's are NOT found in Holy Word of God

Christ and Apostles never participated in the pagan custom of "mass"
---Rhonda on 3/25/11


\\I'd rather see Cluny SAVED in the truth AND hurt his feelings, than see one eternally lost, because I didn't want to hurt his feelings.\\

I knew Jesus for DECADES before I ever heard of you, and we've been getting alone just fine, and will so continue eternally.

You didn't hurt my feelings.

As it is written, He Who sits in heaven shall laugh you to scorn.

The only thing that keeps your remarks from being the vilest blasphemies are your own utter ignorance and lack of understanding on the subject.
---Cluny on 3/25/11


Fat Tuesday is another name for Mardis Gras. The tradition is many centuries old and was originally known as Carnival. It is held in various places around the world under different names. Mardis Gras (or Fat Tuesday) is the American version.

Carnival comes from a combination of Latin words meaning "farewell to the flesh." The irony in Fat Tuesday is by no means is teh flesh denied or bid farewell. Instead they are lavishly indulged. Anything goes, gluttonous eating, massive consumption of alcohol, even public displays of sexual immorality (to say nothing of what goes on behind closed doors). A festival of debauchery.


AND then they go to Mass, injesting Jesus ...eating to themselves damnation.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11


Well kathr4453, you want truth and usefulness in word?

Did Christ walk on water? Did he, from a small amount of food fed multitudes? Did he raise the dead and give sight to the blind?
You do believe that? Can you do that?
Now, he said, " and the bread that I will give is my flesh" . Does that offend you?
In another thread we were touching on "learning", (the woman by the well...), now see John 4:31-34 . Will you
also disbelieve that Jesus was indeed nourished physicaly and therefore needed not to eat as suggested?

I hope your head do not swell as other fellows around here, but it is Christ that will have the final word with Cluny and his salvation, not you.
---Nana on 3/25/11


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You simply cannot eat your way to heaven,.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11

Let's see Jesus himself said "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

he also said " and the bread that I will give is my flesh , which I will give for the life of the world. " (JHn 6:51-54)

But you are telling Jesus no it is symbolic, and therefore you are like the disciples "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. " v66
---Ruben on 3/25/11


Nana, I appreciate your comment, however, the post opening would have been far more useful, if you had brought truth here, rather than this Peacl, love dove stuff, that we just look the other way as false doctrine is taught.

I'm sure you hurt many fellings stating your beliefs.

I'd rather see Cluny SAVED in the truth AND hurt his feelings, than see one eternally lost, because I didn't want to hurt his feelings.

We do not EAT any medicine whatsoever leading to immortality. We must PUT ON Immortality..1st Cor 15.

Those who eat wrongfully, eat damnation to themselves!!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11


Well, my first suspicion is that the one who started this blog was going to stir up strife, and I was right.

I'm done commenting, too, as it is written, "Answer not a fool according to his folly."
---Cluny on 3/25/11


kathr4453,

" I find that teaching far more offensive ..."
So, now you are offended and another is also, feeling that you poke fun at that which they hold sacred. Is something being acomplished here?
1 Corinthian 11:29 "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."
Now, if you would excuse me, I am done commenting on this blog.
---Nana on 3/25/11


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The Orthodox teaching is that it's the glorified Body of Christ that we receive, the Medicine of Immortality.

---Cluny on 3/25/11

Medicine of Immortality???

Cluny, the medicine of IMMORTALITY is receiving Jesus Christ PERSONALLY into your heart, via faith not bread crumbs. And when personally receiving Jesus Christ all your personal sins are forgiven ONCE AND FOR ALL. Our being sanctified through the Body of Christ once and for all, does not come over and over and over eating bread crumbs turning into a Glorified Body.

You simply cannot eat your way to heaven, and your filthy flesh cannot be joined with His Glorified body to produce any medicine leading to immortality.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11


If the Holy Spirit turned bread into Jesus Glorified body, we would see two things.

Paul struck down by the Glorified Christ BURNED his eyes. The Light of His Glory was so bright. So we have evindence of LIGHT and a light that burns.

If in fact you believe this is literally Christ Body, two things would manifest. Your mouth would burn, and you would light up like a glow stick. Neither has been recorded.

AND please show scripture the Holy Spirit turns bread into Jesus GLORIFIED body.

Yes, cults do make up all sorts of faiiry tales.

You become a member of HIS BODY when your's is crucified with Christ, then becoming bone of His bone, and flesh of His flesh.

People will believe anything to avoid the Cross!
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11


1 Corinthians 11:25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

REMEMBER His death till He come. That's what we do, not what you do or even teach or believe.

It's not His Glorified body we eat, but we remember that He died for our sin, and we died to sin with Him.It's His Broken body crucified body we remember.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/11


\\But to take communion and state the Priest has the power to actually turn bread into Jesus actual flesh, (which flesh no one will answer..earthly or glorified).\\

No one said the priest had the power. It's the Holy Spirit that has the power.

The Orthodox teaching is that it's the glorified Body of Christ that we receive, the Medicine of Immortality.

But there's no point in discussing this with unbelievers such as yourself, or those who don't even have the right faith in the Incarnation.
---Cluny on 3/25/11


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Nana, no one is arguing communion. Or making fun of communion. But to take communion and state the Priest has the power to actually turn bread into Jesus actual flesh, (which flesh no one will answer..earthly or glorified). Jesus did not teach cannabolism by any stretch of the imagintion. I find that teaching far more offensive than poking fun at Cluny's avoiding answer by stating THEY don't put eggs in theirs. As if THAT were at the heart of the mystery.



---kathr4453 on 3/25/11


Precisely, Nana.
---Cluny on 3/24/11


I believe the Bible on this issue.

You don't and you mock those who do.
---Cluny on 3/24/11

Cluny, can you give chapter and verse about egg yolks vs no egg yolks in the bread you eat that turns to Jesus?
---kathr4453 on 3/24/11


1 Cor 11:27: "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."

I advice the some of you to lay of the jokes...
---Nana on 3/24/11


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\\cluny, that is so funny. I know there are no eggs, and KNEW if you were readng you would point that out.\\

Ia boils down to this, francis.

I believe the Bible on this issue.

You don't and you mock those who do.
---Cluny on 3/24/11


So Laura, obviously the moral of the story is:
Bread without egg yolks will make a better Jesus to eat than bread made with egg yolks.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/11


//There are no eggs in either matzoh or pita//

my first girlfriend was Lebanese. They ate unleavened bread. Served with lentils and kibi and tabbouleh...oh man!
---aka on 3/23/11


cluny, that is so funny. I know there are no eggs, and KNEW if you were readng you would point that out.

Just making sure you are listening...funny, you had no other comment to make but that...majoring in the minors.

Now that you read ALL my comment, please comment on the bread and leave out the eggs.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/11


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"[I] do not believe they are against scripture. " (Samuel)

Anyway you want to slice Samuel, those traditions came from men, not God.

"Sola Scriptora is Scripture. "

No. I have shown you many times where Christ and the Holy Apostles relied on extra biblical traditions.

"66 books is based on Scholarship not tradition."

It is a Pharisaical tradition. The consensus teaching of the Early Church Fathers never limited Scriptures to just 66 books. Even Protestant Scholars (such as J.N.D Kelly and others) will openly admit that.

"Tradition being above Scripture is [false]"

That is what Orthodoxy teach too. OTOH, Scriptures IS Tradition.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/11


Leavening agents are substances that produce fermentation. They include yeast, baking powder and baking soda. Egg whites are leavening agents when beaten.

4 cups flour
2 egg yolks
1-1/2 t salt
2 tbsp. vegetable oil
3 tbsp butter
7/8 cup liquid (milk or water)

Cluny, some do and some don't have egg yolks.

Was matzoh or pita eaten at the Last supper?
---Laura on 3/23/11


\\How could Jesus be standing there IN HIS BODY and pointing to a piece of bread made out of what, eggs, wheat, water etc, and say THAT was His Body? \\

There are no eggs in either matzoh or pita (the usual bread eaten in the Middle East).
---Cluny on 3/23/11


Michael, being raised Catholic, I think I'm allowed to comment on the Catholic Mass that my parents made me attend every Sunday. Saying repetitous prayers every Sunday was painful and meaningless to me. However, I thank God I was raised believing in God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. I'm glad I was raised in believing in the Trinity. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." So even though Mass was boring to me, there were some things I liked, like taking communion even though now I'm not welcomed to take communion in a Catholic church (they wouldn't let me at my father's funeral).
---Donna5535 on 3/23/11


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Since you believe in many traditions of men (i.e., such as the Sinner's Prayer, Sola Scriptura, Altar Calls, the Bible only has 66 books, etc), it is most assuredly the result of you being spiritually blinded. Ignatius

My Father in Law and my best friend in church were both raised RCC. They thanked GOD for helping them see the truth.

Now Sinner's prayer and Altar calls are traditions. I do not believe they are against scripture. Sola Scriptora is Scripture. 66 books is based on Scholarship not tradition.

Tradition being above Scripture is a false tradition condemned by JESUS. Matt. 15:9 Mark 7:7
---Samuel on 3/23/11


Peter, when Christ broke the bread and said "this is my body", I assure you that the bread did not turn into His body.
---christan on 3/22/11

How could Jesus be standing there IN HIS BODY and pointing to a piece of bread made out of what, eggs, wheat, water etc, and say THAT was His Body? Really, so a piece of bread was nailed to the Cross. The Body then God prepared was out of a Betty Crocker recipe book?

So our sin was actually placed on wheat, eggs and water, that died and rose again.

WOW, that's more interesting than any mythology I've ever heard.

Stranger than science fiction.

So, was it unleaded bread in Mary's oven? Thank goodness she never had a yeast infection.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/11


When God "commanded", "Let there be light and there was light", Christ commanded, "Lazarus, come forth", Lazarus rosed after being dead for four days. These were commands of creation and miracle. Be discerning when it comes to symbolic things.

Christ came in the fleshly body and bled to death in His blood at Calvary. Do we need to sacrifice day in and out, when the perfect sacrifice was "finished" and fulfilled?

Paul says, "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lords death till He comes." 1 Cor 11:26 - keyword is proclaim not "this bread and wine" is Christ's body and blood.
---christan on 3/23/11


---Ignatius you register an interesting thought. Twice I have had people tell me that they felt led of the Holy Spirit to join the Roman Catholic Church. The two out of the many I have talked to is not much.
---mima on 3/23/11


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The same thing happens at mass as in any other denomination, whatever the priest, preacher, rabbi or whoever conducts the service wants you to believe.
---michael_e on 3/23/11


God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

God Incarnate said, "Peace, be still," the storm abated.

God Incarnate said, "Be healed," and people were healed.

God Incarnate said,"Your sins are forgiven you," and they were forgiven.

God Incarnate said, "Demons depart," and they left.

God Incarnate said said to blind eyes, "Be opened," and paralytics, "Rise and walk," and it happened.

God Incarnate called to the dead, and they came back to life.

God Incarnate said over bread and wine, "This is My Body. This is My Blood."

If you believe that NOTHING happened at that point, your faith is stronger than mine.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


Mima-

Since you believe in many traditions of men (i.e., such as the Sinner's Prayer, Sola Scriptura, Altar Calls, the Bible only has 66 books, etc), it is most assuredly the result of you being spiritually blinded.

I know a couple (who were Baptists) who believed in your traditions. Upon studying Orthodoxy and the Bible, they felt the Holy Spirit working in them and leading them to the Truth. They became Orthodox a year later, and they are still in my parish today. They described their renewal minds as a "rushing fire from heaven that initiated a deeper love for Christ and a recognition of man's traditions".

Wish the Holy Spirit will work in you to break your bondage to traditions of men.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/11


Peter, when Christ broke the bread and said "this is my body", I assure you that the bread did not turn into His body. It was merely symbolic of Him giving up His life at Calvary as an offering for the sins of His people, which was demanded of by the law - "the wages of sin is death" - which He fulfilled for His people. More importantly He resurrected from the dead, conquering death that His people will have eternal life in Him.

However, during mass the priest offering the Eucharist (wafer) will tell you that the "wafer" turns into Christ's body and they are at Calvary all over again, go ask them. And this ritual is repeated every time before their holy communion.
---christan on 3/22/11


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\\BTW the boy received partial healing after being prayed for.\\

But the REAL Jesus gives TOTAL healing, mima.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


\\Being spiritually deceived and spiritual deception are fields that you would have more knowledge about than most.
\\

That's because it's something that only Orthodoxy talks about.

I see it all the time on here, especially in your posts.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


Part 2. Clarification:

I meant to add that only Orthodoxy will teach how to recognize spiritual deception.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


christan: While I find 'transsubstantiation' to be a bit strange, what Jesus said about 'this is my body, etc' does give the idea some possibility.

Whether the idea os true or not, I prefer not even to guess. But I can see people who accept the Bible as taking the idea as possible, even if not true

Personal idea, of course
---Peter on 3/22/11


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Cluny others are not always trust worthy but I did find it strange that three different people told me the same thing. I first made contact with one of these people because he had a cripple boy and was in a prayer line. But because I did not pass the boy by like some other people did the father made a point of talking with me. And that is how the conversation came about. BTW the boy received partial healing after being prayed for. Being spiritually deceived and spiritual deception are fields that you would have more knowledge about than most.
---mima on 3/22/11


\\mine was not directly told to me but came to me through others.\\

And of course, others are always trustworthy, aren't they? They are NEVER spiritually deceived, right?

\\Anyway the die is cast and one of us will be greatly disappointed.\\

And that person is YOU, mima.

Not because God isn't merciful, but because you're missing out on a lot of blessings right now.

And you can just continue on with your dead works and attempts at ritual redemption until then.
---Cluny on 3/22/11


---Ignatius according to your post we have been told opposite things. Each of us believes that what he has been told came from a Godly source although mine was not directly told to me but came to me through others.
Anyway the die is cast and one of us will be greatly disappointed.
---mima on 3/21/11


//What happens at Mass?//

when i was a young boy, my eight siblings would spill out the family truckster, pile into a mile long pew, and try not to giggle or fight with each other.

what was funny was when my dad (to set us straight) would try to reach over some kids and punch the wrong person. and when he connected with the right person, it would just make us laugh more because it was like a tickle punch.

those were the days.
---aka on 3/21/11


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A group of people getting together for mass formal idol worship. 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 has control of.
---Lawrence on 3/21/11

Lawrence, how about this group?

"They devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. " (acts 2:42)
---Ruben on 3/21/11


"I have had several former Catholics tell me that the Lord told them that what they were seeig at mass was people playing at praying. " (mima)

This is what happened to me when I left my Pentecostal Church which taught the man-made doctrine of "the Sinner's Prayer". The Lord revealed to me that these people honor him with their lips, but their heart far from him.

In IC.XC
---Ignatius on 3/21/11


If you want to know what happens at Mass, go see for yourself. You may be pleasantly surprised. :-)
---John.usa on 3/21/11


mima
For the trin rcc & their idol worship even her daughters churches Matt.15 v 9 came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 3/21/11


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Ever heard of "transubstantiation"? It's the highlight of every mass in the RC. Basically, it's unbiblical.
---christan on 3/21/11


Eloy, thanks for the laugh!
As Christians shouldn't we respect each others denominations. Are we letting our light shine when we attack each other? Shouldn't all these discussion be done in a spirit of love? (Now I'm preaching to myself....conviction is setting in.)
Lord bless each of you.
---trey on 3/21/11


\\I have had several former Catholics tell me that the Lord told them that what they were seeig at mass was people playing at praying\\

The Lord told me that's what goes on at Protestant churches.
---Cluny on 3/21/11


---Lawrence on 3/21/11 you are correct.
I have had several former Catholics tell me that the Lord told them that what they were seeig at mass was people playing at praying. These were devout Catholics who once they received this message from the Lord(they receive the message while mass was taking place) immediately ceased attending the Catholic Church. I have quizzed them and they all Say that this is what they heard and that is all they heard.
---mima on 3/21/11


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What happens at Mass?

Read Luke 24: 28-35, the first "Mass" recorded.

Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us? (Luke 24:35)

The first 30 minutes.

"what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread." (Luke 24:38)

The last 30 minutes..
---Ruben on 3/21/11


A group of people getting together for mass formal idol worship. 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 has control of.
---Lawrence on 3/21/11


The pre-Reformation Eastern Liturgies are all available on line, as well. There's nothing secret or mysterious or anything to hide:

The Divine Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil, and St. James (Orthodox)

The Coptic Liturgy

The Armenian Liturgy (Baradak)

West Syrian Liturgy, also called Syriac Orthodox

Ethiopian and Eritreian Liturgy

Liturgy of Ss Addai and Mari (Assyrian Church of the East. This is unusual in that it does not contain the Words of Institution, but the intent to accomplish the Mystery of the Eucharist is obvious.)
---Cluny on 3/21/11


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---Eloy on 3/21/11


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You could find this information online. And like Cluny said, if you really want to know, attend a Latin Catholic parish. While you at it, read/attend (if you can) the Divine Liturgies of the Eastern Catholics, Orthodoxy, the Non-Chalcedonian church, the Church of the East, and other Eastern Churches.

The one thing they all have in common (perhaps with the exception of Latin Mass) is that they are in accordance with how the Ancient Christians worshiped, with minor changes.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/20/11


If you really want to know, you would go and see.

But I don't think you really want to know. I think you just asked this question to stir up strife.

However, if you really want to know, but are afraid to go yourself, you can find the order of Mass on line. There's nothing there that's hidden.
---Cluny on 3/20/11


There are different religious groups who practice what is called "Mass". Also, after ones have been Catholic, they can be with us at our basic Jesus Bible church and one may call our service "Mass" (c: At our "Mass", we first have people getting ready and we have prayer time before the service. We start with announcements, have a song of worship, maybe, and one may give a scripture reading and devotional, then another worship song, having greeting one another, then a sermon. Then we put things away while ones share with one another (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/20/11


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