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To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Has Jerry been redeemed yet or is he still under the Old Covenant law?
---leej on 4/3/11

Are you redeemed?
You reject relationship with any sheep of Israel.
Were you ancestors under the law?
Do you have sheep sign or a sheep skin?

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Isaiah 29:24
They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
---Trav on 4/4/11


Those in Christ have been married to Christ, Christ now works His principles in the believers life. In your case, you work as if Christ was never in you.
---Mark_V. on 4/4/11

INTERESTING.
How is it that christ only works 9/10 or these commandments ( NOT PRINCIPLES) in you, but he works 10/10 in me?

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 4/4/11


Thanks my good brother Cluny for at least answering the question:as Psalms being your choice.
Following the first 7 or 8 entries I got lost in a tennis match of accusations between Francis and everyone else on the planet that has nothing to do with anything. Good grief.
BTW, Genesis is my choice.
---larry on 4/4/11


francis, exactly what do you understand "KEEP THE SABBATH" to mean?
---Cluny on 4/4/11
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work,

Ezekiel 46:3 worship.. before the LORD in the sabbaths..

Matthew 12:12 do well on the sabbath days.

Acts 13:44 the sabbath.. hear the word of God.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
---francis on 4/4/11


Those of you who profess to be christian must TRY to be honest.
Try nbot to say things that others have not said, that cannot be christianlike.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds,


I see so many post where i am accused of saying thing I never said.
I never said that meats comments...
I never said that we are saved by keeping the law

If you are truely a christian you would not lie like that.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
---francis on 4/4/11




francis, exactly what do you understand "KEEP THE SABBATH" to mean?

Next, you pride yourself because you don't eat pork or worship on Sunday.

Well, neither does Satan.
---Cluny on 4/4/11


I never said I did not keep the Sabbath, I just don't keep it in on Saturday. Second,
---Mark_V. on 4/3/11
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

So If you are not doing it on sabbath / saturday who then is your God?



francis says, "Meat DOES commend us to God,

---Cluny on 4/3/11
Post any blog where I said meat commend us to God. DO NOT bare false witness please.


Part 2:

francis, if you expect to be saved by obeying ANY of the commandments, you are a legalist.

---Cluny on 4/3/11
WHen did I EVER say that I expect to be saved by keeping the commandments?

I am supprised at you cluny, two false statements about me in OPNE DAY?
---francis on 4/3/11


Francis Part 2: You will never hear me say to you, if you do not do Sunday, you are condemned, or lose your salvation. Why? Because we have been set free, from the burden of the law. The fundamental distortion of legalism is the belief one can earn one's way into the Kingdom of God. What you say, is do the law as I do are you don't get in.
"Therefore my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God"
Those in Christ have been married to Christ, Christ now works His principles in the believers life. In your case, you work as if Christ was never in you.
---Mark_V. on 4/4/11


Francis, first of all let me correct you. I have never said I do not keep the Ten Commandments. I never said I did not keep the Sabbath, I just don't keep it in on Saturday. Second, I don't encourage you or anyone in the SDA's to keep it on any day, and that if you don't your not saved, or, you are breaking the law. I really don't mind when you do keep the Sabbath or even if you do or not. You have your own conscience and you should follow your conscience. To say we should do what you say and follow your conscience, would make us not follow ours. But no, you insist on condemning others if we don't do as you do, follow the law.
Why don't you keep reading what God's Word has to say about the new believers in Christ. Romans 7:4-10.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/11


1 Corinthians 8:8
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better, neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

francis says, "Meat DOES commend us to God, for if we eat some, we are the worse" with his fixation on not eating pork.

Who is right: francis or the Bible?
---Cluny on 4/3/11




Part 2:

\\Mark V, if i am a legalist SO ARE YOU, because you will testify that you obey 9/10 of these commandments\\

francis, if you expect to be saved by obeying ANY of the commandments, you are a legalist.

And there are 613 of them in the OT, not just 10, so if you think your scrupulous keeping only 10 gives you spiritual superiority, James's letter has something to say about that.

I, on the other hand, hope to be saved only through the mercy of Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 4/3/11


Mark V, if i am a legalist SO ARE YOU, because you will testify that you obey 9/10 of these commandments
TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.

So why am I a legalist for obeying 10/10, and you are not for obeying 9/10?

Is 9/10 the standard that seperates legalist from none legalists?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
---Francis on 4/3/11


Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man have an ear, let him hear.
---TheSeg on 4/3/11


Jerry //Where is it written that only New Testament precepts are to be obeyed, and Old Testament precepts are to be ignored??????

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Howbeit, anything of importance is found in the New Testament.

As to the O/T laws, have you ever read Galatians 4:4-5?

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Has Jerry been redeemed yet or is he still under the Old Covenant law?
---leej on 4/3/11


Jerry, Francis..
Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things,
Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Acts 15:21a For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness,
---micha9344 on 4/3/11


---leonia on 4/2/11
You are missing the CONTEXT under which the doctrine of clean and unclean meats is applied:

1 Corinthians 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are OFFERED IN SACRIFICE TO IDOLS,

SO Now we are talking about MEATS OFFERED TO IDOLS SOLD IN THE MARKET.

1 Corinthians 10:19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

1 Corinthians 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, [that] eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

tHE TEXT IS TALKING ABOUT MEAT OFFERED TO IDOLS. iT IS not SAYING WE CAN EAT UNCLEAN MEATS
---francis on 4/3/11


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leonia: "There are no food restrictions given in the New Testaments [sic] for the Christian."

Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Where is it written that only New Testament precepts are to be obeyed, and Old Testament precepts are to be ignored??????
---jerry6593 on 4/3/11


-- Trey :

Brother, "Fear of the LORD, that is Wisdom, and to depart from evil is Understanding."

Job 28:28
is a first of sorts, laid as my spiritual foundation... holding great significance since Wisdom is this principal thing we're all to get and with all our getting we're to get Understanding : The merchandise of it is better than silver & it's gain finer than gold.

She is more precious than rubies and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. Length of days is in her right hand, and riches & honor in her left.

Her ways are ways of pleasantness & all her paths are Peace. She is a Tree of Life to us that lay hold upon her and happy is every one that retain her !!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 4/3/11


---leonia

You need to STUDY your bible,
Genesis 7:2 and of beasts that are NOT CLEAN by two, the male and his female.

See the dietary laws of God as pertaining to clean and unclean started way before abraham and thus is NOT JEWISH, noah was NOT a jew.

Second it is NOT ME who said that those who eat unclean will be condemned:

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---francis on 4/3/11


Seems like some of you should pay attention.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:15-19
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

No one knows the son but the father
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
---TheSeg on 4/2/11


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\\Cluny: "If he hopes to be saved by merely keeping laws, or thinks he's spiritually superior to other people because of this, yes."

I couldn't agree more.\\

Then look to yourself, jerry.

\\ But, a person can be lost by deliberate disobedience to God. \\

\\As for calling you names, you have stated that you are a cat - so what are you claiming? Cat's rights?\\

If you think I've claimed to be a cat (and please tell me where), then I'm a pretty clever cat if I can read the computer screen and use a keyboard.

Please tell me where the Bible says we may NOT worship on Sunday.
---Cluny on 4/2/11


francis - the Levitical food laws were designed specifically for the Jewish people. There are no food restrictions given in the New Testaments for the Christian.

Sorry but Jesus did not lie when He said "Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do."
1 Cor. 8:8

So we that are knowledgeable of the Bible should not waste time with you as you do not follow the Bible but the teachings of Ellen White.
---leonia on 4/2/11


**francis, are you so deluded you think people will be lost and condemned to your temporary hell for eating pork and shrimp?

Francis simply put is crazy and stuck under the skirts of old Ellen White. Pu!

The Adventist Jesus is different Jesus and from another gospel.
---leonia on 4/2/11


Cluny: "If he hopes to be saved by merely keeping laws, or thinks he's spiritually superior to other people because of this, yes."

I couldn't agree more. But, a person can be lost by deliberate disobedience to God. Don't you agree? As for calling you names, you have stated that you are a cat - so what are you claiming? Cat's rights?
---jerry6593 on 4/2/11


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---aka on 4/1/11
Jesus is Michael The arch angel.
Other names for jesus are: Emanuel-God with us
Angel of god / The lord.

Let us look at Angel of God.
Angel means messenger , it does not mean created being. There are some created being which are angels.
But Jesus is the greatest or CHIEF (ARCH) messenger of God, and not a created being.

Exodus 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not, for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

How many created beings can forgive transgression and carry the name of God?

MORE TO SOME
---francis on 4/2/11


francis, are you so deluded you think people will be lost and condemned to your temporary hell for eating pork and shrimp?
---Cluny on 4/2/11
Why do you like to give me the glory of God. I did not say it, GOD DID:
Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

AKA how did michael the arch angel get into this blog?
---francis on 4/2/11


\\I see that when backed into a corner, you still resort to childish name calling. \\

Of course, you've never called ME names, have you, jerry?

\\I doubt that you even know what a legalist is. Is a person who keeps ALL ten of GOD'S Commandments a legalist?\\

If he hopes to be saved by merely keeping laws, or thinks he's spiritually superior to other people because of this, yes.
---Cluny on 4/2/11


Francis
Forgive me, not because Im asking you.
But, because the lord thy god is telling you too.
Or dont you believe it?

2Peter3
Why are things so hard to believe?
Its not in your hands.
Adam and Eve try to cover themselves.
Who said, you where naked? Not God!

You know the lord said many things.
One is a house divided, cannot stand!

Mat19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Ill just say before you can understand this.
Luk22:24-32 strengthen thy brethren.
Understand this Luk22:8-22
---TheSeg on 4/2/11


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francis, are you so deluded you think people will be lost and condemned to your temporary hell for eating pork and shrimp?

And do you feel spiritually superior to lesser breeds without the law because you abstain from them?

Well, let me remind you that demons never eat them, either.
---Cluny on 4/2/11


MarkV: "Francis, and Jerry are Legalist."

I see that when backed into a corner, you still resort to childish name calling. I doubt that you even know what a legalist is. Is a person who keeps ALL ten of GOD'S Commandments a legalist? Then Christ and the disciples were also legalists. Christ condemned the Pharisees who kept MAN-MADE laws such as ritual washings and extra Sabbath restrictions. You keep the MAN-MADE Sunday lord's Day. Thus, it is YOU who are the legalist!
---jerry6593 on 4/2/11


francis, there is many SDA's on line, who answer questions, who do not throw the law at everyone as you and Jerry do. I believe there is saved people in every denomination. But what you and Jerry do, is exactly what the Pharisees did before Christ. You do not want to except this fact, but it's true. If you feel in your heart what you believe to be right, then go for it. No one is trying to convince you not to. It is your conscience and you should not go against conscience.
"For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God' Rom. 4:2 "But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness" Rom. 4:5.
---Mark_V. on 4/2/11


//Not sure what you are talking about. // francis

i am sure that you do...

The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty. SOURCE: Ellen G. White (1903, ms 150, SDA, Commentary V, p. 1129)

The Christ is the Christ Jesus. He was never the Archangel Michael.
---aka on 4/1/11


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And you don't think that telling people who eat pork or shrimp that they are breaking the law is an accusation?
---Cluny on 4/1/11
Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die, and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die, if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand.
---francis on 4/1/11


And you don't think that telling people who eat pork or shrimp that they are breaking the law is an accusation?
---Cluny on 4/1/11

Leviticus 11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat
Leviticus 11:5 the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof, he [is] unclean unto you.

Leviticus 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof, he [is] unclean unto you.

Leviticus 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud, he [is] unclean to you.


Why do you hold it against me for printing GODS LAWS STATUTES AND COMMANDMENTS?
---francis on 4/1/11


francis **Not sure what you are talking about. I am 100% sure that youmisunerstood the text. I am talking TO michael not about michael


Old Ellen White often spoke of her accompanying angel "the same angel messenger stands by my side instructing me in the visions of the night as stands beside me instructing me in the visions of the day."

While she never mentioned that angels' name, do you believe him to be Michael?

Unlike the angel Moroni who appeared to the Mormon prophet Jos Smith, Ellen's heavenly visitor never seemes to have identified himself by name.

I believe old Ellen was really into the occult.
---leonia on 4/1/11


francis, the scripture you quote is about Christ:

Jesus the Christ and not Michael the Christ.

---aka on 4/1/11
Not sure what you are talking about. I am 100% sure that youmisunerstood the text. I am talking TO michael not about michael
---francis on 4/1/11


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\\I have never accused anyone of breaking the law, the LAW does th\\

And you don't think that telling people who eat pork or shrimp that they are breaking the law is an accusation?

As I asked elsewhere, francis, do you wear blended fabrics?

That's an abomination, too.

Or do only OTHER people's abominations (as you see them) matter?
---Cluny on 4/1/11


The problem with Jerry's & Francis' argument on the 10 commandments (Old Covenant) is that they simply cannot quote anything from the New Testament that supports the keeping of Sabbath. And the simple fact that the Apostles went into the synagogues on the Sabbath to preach the gospel does NOT mean they observed the OT Sabbath.

Acts 13:46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.
---leonia on 4/1/11


Francis, and Jerry are Legalist. Always accusing others of breaking the law. ---Mark_V. on 3/31/11

I have never accused anyone of breaking the law, the LAW does that on it's own:

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
and here is the whole list
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 4/1/11


francis, the scripture you quote is about Christ:

Jesus the Christ and not Michael the Christ.

Act 17:3 ...it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ...Act 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica, they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
---aka on 4/1/11


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We are not *justified* by the Law, but we must remain repentant and obey it. However we have room for error now. Christs death, burial and resurrection ensures us that if we falter we can be forgiven by confession and repentance.

Jesus didnt die for us to give us the freedom to violate Gods law like it is meaningless. That is called mocking God! Jesus died for us to make forgiveness possible and give us the POWER to obey the Law by his Spirit! God still want us to obey the laws of love!

If repentance wasnt required then a mass murderer could claim the blood of Christ on his behalf each and every time he goes out to commit murder.

Repentance is the responsibility of the MAN, not God.
---Jasheradan on 3/31/11


michael_e on 3/31/11

Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him, and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Psalms 22:
---francis on 3/31/11


Francis **I can show you Christ crucified preached in the OT, and the NT, I can also show you obedience to the Law in OT as well as NT.

All you can show is that Christ prior to the crucifixion observes all the Law. Howbeit Scripture could not be more plain -

Gal. 4:4-5 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

Perhaps because of your ignorance of God's word, God will not hold you accountable?

Acts 17:30-31 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness ...
---leonia on 3/31/11


Francis, and Jerry are Legalist. Always accusing others of breaking the law. Legalism is the opposite heresy of antinomianism. Whereas Antinomianism denies the significance of law, legalism exalts law above Grace. The legalists of Jesus day were the Pharisees. Jesus reserved His strongest criticism for them. The fundamental distortion of legalism is the belief that one can earn one's way into the kingdom of heaven. The Pharisees believed that due to their status as children of Abraham, and to their scrupulous adherence to the law, they were the children of God. At the core, this is a denial of the Gospel.
A corollary article of legalism is the adherence to the letter of the law "to the exclusion of the Spirit of the Law."
---Mark_V. on 3/31/11


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//I can show you christ crucified preached in the OT,//
BCV Please
---michael_e on 3/31/11


---micha9344 on 3/31/11
LOL LOL
you bible knowledge is not that deep.
I can show you christ crucified preached in the OT, and the NT, I can also show you obedience to the Law in OT as well as NT.
---francis on 3/31/11


---Mark_V. on 3/31/11
You do not beleive that christians should commit adultery , or kill these are two of the commandments in the law. I would also highy doubt that you believe that two men should be married which is not even in the ten commandments.

And this is the most missinformed of your post.
Jesus also taught the peoople to KEEP THE LAW,

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
---francis on 3/31/11


Rom 8:2-3 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness,
Heb 7:14b,16,19a ...our Lord sprang out of Juda, of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood...Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life...For the law made nothing perfect...
---micha9344 on 3/31/11


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Francis even Jesus Christ acknowledged the Prophets.

He quoted from their writings concerning who He is.

Moses' writing werent enough.
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11


Jasheradan: "You needlessly condemn others and yourself by sticking to the punishment for not obeying ALL the law. Thats why Jesus Christ died for you."

Two questions for you:

Is belief in Christ license to sin?

Did Jesus come to save us from the LAW or from SIN?
---jerry6593 on 3/31/11


Francis, you have not moved forward, you are stuck in the Old Testament Covenant, of Works. What do you think that Jesus was bringing to the people and teaching the Apostles? The new Covenant. Everything that was said and written was Truth of God's Word. Even if the New Testament had not been cannonized. It did not become truth then, but when the writers were inspired to write it. What you are suggesting is to forget the New Testament because it had not been cannonized yet. Because in the New Testament you will find there is no salvation for keeping the law, in fact it says. "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" Gal. 3:10
---Mark_V. on 3/31/11


---Jasheradan on 3/30/11
Are you suggesting that we keep SOME of the law and not all.
View these NT verses:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Although we are saved by grace, we are still required to OBEY the Law of God.

So then let me just put you on the stop and end this foolishness:

Are you suggesting that one who is saved by grace should live in adultery, or should he obey the LAW that says Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
---francis on 3/31/11


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Francis, everything leading up to Romans chapter 3 is simply proving that all men are deserving condemnation. NONE of us are the doers of the law. That is the entire point.

That scripture is supposed to point you towards Romans 3:21 where you learn of the TRUE righteousness of God in Jesus Christ.

But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,

You needlessly condemn others and yourself by sticking to the punishment for not obeying ALL the law. Thats why Jesus Christ died for you. Are you gonna continue to rely upon your obedience or his? There was a reason He needed to be sinless. Think about it.
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11


Jesheradan is correct, we need all of God's Word or else God would not had given it to us. He gave us what we needed. He doesn't forget anything.
---Mark_V. on 3/29/11
And just to show how more wrong you are, none of the churches in the NT had the NT, all they had was the OT.

But find somethng in any other scriptures required for salvation NOT found in the writings of Moses.
---francis on 3/30/11


Our justification before God is not brought about by any action of our own making. Our justification is brought about by what the Lord Jesus Christ, his sacrificial shedding of his blood, has accomplished for us. Rather than depend upon my obedience I glorify in the obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ back to the Father. And by faith we can be partakers of Christ's obedience,
---mima on 3/30/11


Obedience to the law by the Spirit or the blood of Jesus Christ?

Which one justifies you before God?
---Jasheradan on 3/29/11
I showed you from Moses that abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was counted to him for righteousness.
So No man can be justified by the law.
However: Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.


MARKV you are dead wrong:
Here is what Jesus said:
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

So MOSES WRITINGS was enough for anyone to believe in Jesus.
---francis on 3/30/11


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francis, by the same token, if Adam and Eve had obeyed, we would not need any more books. Everyone would be saved. You see almost all books speak about God's mercy and man's rebellion. Even the first five books. Jesheradan is correct, we need all of God's Word or else God would not had given it to us. He gave us what we needed. He doesn't forget anything.
---Mark_V. on 3/29/11


Im sorry, Francis, but that I dont see how that answered my question.

Obedience to the law by the Spirit or the blood of Jesus Christ?

Which one justifies you before God?
---Jasheradan on 3/29/11


Your obedience to the law thru the power of the Holy Spirit or the blood of Jesus Christ?
---Jasheradan on 3/28/11
MOSES:
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken,

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

do we really needs more?
---francis on 3/29/11


---Jasheradan on 3/28/11
What a question. To answer you directly, the books written by moses contain MORE than just LAW.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at MOSES and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

John 5:46 For had ye believed MOSES, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

YOUR ANSWER:
Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging, to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of MOSES, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.
---francis on 3/29/11


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It seems to me, Isaiah is. It offers endless hope. And mainly because of the excitement it brings to me when I think of its imminent fulfillment in our times. With special reference to the Jews 'return' back to God and the terrific impact it will have on the whole world, the Gentiles. I can't help but flip to it every other time!!
---hop on 3/29/11


francis: "Truth be told, there needed not be any books after what Moses wrote."

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
---jerry6593 on 3/29/11


What do you you believe justifies you before God, Francis?

Your obedience to the law thru the power of the Holy Spirit or the blood of Jesus Christ?
---Jasheradan on 3/28/11


If that were true there would be no need for any book after it, the entire New Testament included.
---Jasheradan on 3/28/11

Truth be told, there needed not be any books after what Moses wrote. Most of the books of the OT are written to show the mercies of God.

If what was written by Moses was obeyed, and men stayed with God, no other books would have to be written

Think about it, with the exception of Ruth, and proverbs, all the other books not written by Moses is about mans rebelion and Gods mercy.
---francis on 3/28/11


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//It tells you everything you know to be saved//Francis

If that were true there would be no need for any book after it, the entire New Testament included.
---Jasheradan on 3/28/11


Isaiah is my favourite

To me it is ( ONE OF) the only complete book in the bible. It tells you everything you know to be saved, and even gives prophecy about the comming messiah, first and second comming and new heavens and new earth
---francis on 3/27/11


Proverbs is my favorite book of the Old Testament because it's so practical.
---wivv on 3/26/11


I really like Genesis, and Esther too. But I really like Tobit, a lovely story.
---John.usa on 3/25/11


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Genesis is the foundation for everything after.
---aka on 3/25/11


I like them all, but if I had to choose just one I would say Yeshayahu, or Isaiah. The reason is is that it has many detailed prophesies of Immanuel, God with us: many detailed prophesies of Yeshuah ha Meshiach, or Jesus the Messiah:
Is.7:14
Is.8:8,10
Is.9:6,7
Is.11
Is.12
Is.26:1-4
Is.28:11-16
Is.40:22-31
Is.42:1-16
Is.49:15,16
Is.52:7
Is.53
Is.59:1-4,16-21
Is.62:11
Is.65:1
Is.66:7,10
---Eloy on 3/24/11


Esther. She was a strong woman whom became queen & didn't give up to save her Jewish family . I also like Psalms as well,pretty poetry.
---Candice on 3/23/11


Isaiah because when I first got born again in 1983, I highlighted scriptures that spoke to my broken heart. Starting from Isaiah Chapter 40 to the end are the most uplifting, encouraging things God spoke to me through Isaiah. And of course my all-time favorite are the Psalms. They are like oil to the wound.
---Donna5535 on 3/23/11


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I like stories and history so I would have to say Samuel and Nehemiah. Two great men (David and Nehemiah) to imitate. yes they have there faults but that just makes them more human and relatable.
---Scott on 3/23/11


Ps because its a book of prayers andI can pray those that apply to my life I feel as David did at times I like Ex I love the 10com And we all need to live our lives by them God desisned it that way
---bevhankins on 3/23/11


knowledge wise my favorite is proverbs,prophetically Isaiah,though all writings tend to phrophesy about jesus to some degree,but give a larger picture of the history of the nation of Israel,and of the nature of God,and show with some thousands of years the true nature of the human race, which lead to the coming of christ.
---tom2 on 3/22/11


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