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How To Maintain Salvation

What must one do to maintain their salvation?

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What exactly is the Problem with God allowing EVERYONE who calls His name into Heaven?

Are people afraid Heaven wont be big enough or that His love for everyone takes away from their worth or are they jealous that they wont shine as brightly in a multitude of lights.

Why do some stumble so much at the idea that Salvation is of Christ and subject to His delivery?

Just as some feel if your not like me your not saved, same ungodly attitude here.

A lot of man maid religion going on here in a vain attempt to limit the God of the universe.

Which best describe God

Calvinism- me and mine
Arminianism- me and them

Paul
---paul on 4/3/11


You can have been a Christian and return to your old sinful ways.

The old if he sins he never was a Christian bit is long over played.

Like a dog returning to it vomit.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

If your living in adultery pro or post conversion you will not make it in.
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/3/11


"Where is it written. "sin, repent, and I'll forgive you. Commit the same sin again...and you're outa here"?"
---Donna66 on 4/2/11

2Pet. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways, by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2Pet. 2:20-22
Rom. 1:28
1Cor. 6:9_10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
---Nana on 4/3/11


//Maybe the first question is 'can a christian live in adultery?'//.

Yes, that IS the question. A Christian,if indeed he is a Christian, can commit adultery, but not without a great inner struggle, because the spirit within him cannot tolerate such sin!

If he does not repent and return to the Lord, the truth is, he is probably not a Christian.
---Donna66 on 4/3/11


Kathr,
What does Eph 3 have to do with Phil 1:6?

Phil 1:4-6
4) with joy in my every prayer for you

5) in view of your "participation" (koinonia) in the gospel

6) For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Rom 15:26
For Macedonia (Philippi) and Achaia have been pleased to make a "contribution" (koinonian) for the poor...


The good work was a FINANCIAL DONATION, Kathr.

Phil 4:15-16 at the first preaching of the gospel...no church shared with me...but you alone...you sent a gift more than once for my needs
---James_L on 4/2/11




Steveng--- //satan was the top angel and fell from grace// If Satan was an angel, you don't know WHAT God promised him, if anything. "I will never leave you nor forsake you" is a promise to men who are believers in Jesus. (and the way I heard it, Satan didn't "fall" he rebelled.)

You WANT God to to add:
//"Only if you continue to be a christian, not if you stray", but He doesn't!//

Where is it written. "sin, repent, and I'll forgive you. Commit the same sin again...and you're outa here"?
---Donna66 on 4/2/11


Maybe the first question is 'can a christian live in adultry?'.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
---micha9344 on 4/2/11


Mark

How does this scripture fit with your interpretation of never leave you.

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, That it cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, That it cannot hear.
2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.

Though God does NOT leave us, we indeed can leave Him.

Question:
Do you feel a Christian living in adultery can go to Heaven?

God bless, Paul
---paul on 4/2/11


Steven G, I do not have to be an educated guy to understand the passage I gave you which in fact did not say what you said,

"I will never leave you nor forsake you"
Only if you continue to be a christian, not if you stray.


Do you know what never means? You can go as far as you want, but never still remains never. Does going as far as you think you can get from Christ, change the word never? Why even say never? He could have said, "I will remain with you unless you don't want Me to" But He didn't say that. He said "I will never leave you nor forsake you" Do an online on the word "never." See if it changes to something else.
---Mark_V. on 4/2/11


James L THIS IS te good work ......

16That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man,

17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith, that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height,

19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

20Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/11




Exactly Stephen.

The prodigal son took his inheritance and wasted it on riotous living and his father considered him "dead".

The good news is that son came to his senses, repented and returned to his Father and He took him back with open arms and called the son "alive" again.

Jesus tells us many times in his teachings for us to be ready for his return. I believe its a warning for us NOT to be wrapped up in the sin of the world when He returns. That servant will be cast into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
---Jasheradan on 4/2/11


Mark_V.: "Steven G, you gave no passages about what I ask."

Did you read every one of them? These are the passages that you seek. If you don't even believe in the warnings then you are surely blinded by what is written. There are many more verses in both the OT and the NT.

Mark_V.: "Jesus said: "I will never leave you nor forsake you""

Only if you continue to be a christian, not if you stray.
---Steveng on 4/1/11


Kathr,
I making a farce out of suffering? Suffering is appointed for all who are in Christ, but some refuse.

"many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue" (John 12:42)

They did not want to suffer, Kathr. They did not persevere.

Phil 1:6 - He who began a good work? What good work are you talking about? It's not the same good work that Paul was talking about.

Paul was talking about MONEY that the MACEDONIANS (Philippians) gave, that He used part of to bankroll his missions. That would be found in verse 5. Financial fellowship (partnering) in the gospel. He's still perfecting it, too.
---James_L on 4/1/11


Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Here Hebrews is telling us our faith after coming to Christ...

We are also promised He who began a good work in you will continue it until the day of Jesus Christ...again this WORK, He began, is the sanctification process, not the WORK of our initial salvation. Our initial salvation is not a work.

Paul wanted to present every man PERFECT in Christ, and that is why he wrote so much about suffering that brings us to perfection.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/11


I am very impressed with---cornelius' Post.
---mima on 4/1/11


HEB 10:14 by one sacrifice He made perfect forever all they that are being sanctified (born again). Not by our efforts are we made perfect we can't even maintain it. If Adam could not in his world how can we who are conceived in iniquity do? Temptation is more present today than in the days of Adam and yet we think we can stand. One thing I know there is a fountain that flows nonstop for my cleansing and I can't hold the rock better than the rock can holds me. That which He started He'll take it to the finish.
---cornelius on 4/1/11


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JamesL, you are taking suffering and making a farce out of it. WE FALL into trials, we do NOT initiate suffering. You don't go and join the South American Flogging team, walk on glass, beat yourself...( self sanctification is false.)

IF you belong to God, IF you are Justified THE sanctification process begins...and not by your doing.

God is reassuring us, encouraging us, in all those scriptures JamesL.

You use those verses to beat one over the head, or creating an IF factor to salvation.

ALL Christians suffer with Christ...it's not an option we are offered and given a prize to those who chose to participate. NO!! Stop it!
---kathr4453 on 4/1/11


Steven G, you gave no passages about what I ask. You give parables, and warning, but nothing about what I ask. Where are the Scriptures that say that a born of God person becomes unborn again? The New Testament is full of warnings. And who hears them?

"Jesus said, "Which of you convicts Me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? "Whoever is of God hears the words of God." The reason you do not hear them is that you are not of God" John 8:46,47.

When God speaks through His Word only those of God can hear. They live by faith in the word of God. So Steven, why do you not believe? When Jesus said:

"I will never leave you nor forsake you"
---Mark_V. on 4/1/11


Kathr,
I disagree. The scripture you quoted is not a blanket over every Christian.

Romans 8 is speaking of suffering with Christ, and being made an heir wih Him (v17)

verses 29-30, those He foreknew (as heirs), He predestined for redemption? NO. Predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son through suffering. WHY? So that He would be the firstborn among many brethren (same as Hebrews 2).

Those He foreknew as heirs, He called, justified, and then Glorified (brought to glory).

Read on v35, suffering. v36 suffering. v38-39 tribulation

9:4 adoption as sons and glory belonged to Israel

9:7 the promise of an heir to Abraham

But 8:17 inheritnce IF we suffer
---James_L on 4/1/11


Mark_V., have you not read about the Prodigal Son? or the Parable of the Sower? Paul warns us to take heed, lest we fall (1 Cor. 10:12). James also warns that christians can stray from the truth and lose their souls. Paul also says that christians have fallen away during his time (1 Tim. 6:21) and will fall away during the end times (1 Timothy 4:1). He also says WHY christians fall (1 Tim. 4:1-3, 1 Timothy 6:10).

Other verses:
Prov. 14:14
Matt. 5:13
2 Peter 2:2022
Gal. 1:6
Gal. 3:3
1 Tim. 1:1920
1 Cor. 10:12
1 John 5:16
Rom. 11:22

Many godly people fell from grace. Gosh, even satan was the top angel and fell from grace?

These should answer all your questions.
---Steveng on 3/31/11


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JamesL, there is no such thing as Justification and God not bringing you through sanctification.

Paul clearly taught those who He Justified He has also Glorified. In between the two IS our sanctification.

Just as God didn't bring Israel out of egypt to dump in the wilderness, He brought them out for the PURPOSE of bringing them in...fulfilling HIS PROMISE that what He had promised HE WOULD DO!

God never promised anyone the wilderness, but a life in Him to enter His rest. Those who do not enter are not saved...period!
---kathr4453 on 3/31/11


MarkV,
I didn't say we can be saved "by" losing rewards.

I said we can be saved "from" losing rewards.

What if someone is born again, and has only faith but no works? Can that faith save him from losing his rewards? No.

Faith, by itself, all alone, without works (Rom 4:5) is what brings about "salvation" (justification) from eternal punishment.

But faith that is brought to maturity, full of works, brings about "salvation" from loss and shame at the Judgment Seat of Christ (James 2:12-3:1)

Can we be unsealed, unregenerated, unadopted, etc? NO (John 10:28)

Can we suffer shame, loss, and not hear "well done" ? YES (2Timothy 2:12, Hebrews 5:11-6:8)
---James_L on 3/31/11


Mark

Who promotes the works of man alone?

I think for the most part everyone will acknowledge that Christ is the only way to Heaven.

And mans rebellion against works will separate him from God.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Is this what you were looking for?

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/31/11


//blog question,What must one do to maintain their salvation?//

you did nothing. to "earn" your salvation.
The risen Christ left us a pattern to follow1 Timothy 1Tim.1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Every believer is capable of following Paul as he followed Christ
---michael_e on 3/31/11


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I heard a lot of talk and no passages are given to my questions, only more opinions. If all of you who promote the works of man, and not the works of God, know so much, why is there no answers to my questions?
1. Does a person after been born of the Spirit goes back to been dead again?
2. Does God remove His Spirit from someone who is already born of the Spirit?
3. Does God unseal those whom He has sealed?
4. Where does it show that those in Christ are condemned again?
5. Where are the Scriptures that indicate that God un-reconcile's us after we have been reconciled?
6. Where are the Scriptures that tell us those who are righteous are again made unrighteous?
---Mark_V. on 3/31/11


Obey Jesus' Commandments, and serve him always up to your end. "Faith if it has not works is dead, being alone. Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You all see then how that by works a person is justified, and not by faith only. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead." James 2:17-26.
---Eloy on 3/31/11


What Im saying Kathr is that we arent justified by anything other than faith in Jesus Christ. Im speaking from a judicial standpoint only.

If Jesus took your crime upon himself and you were declared not guilty, were you declared not guilty because he opened the cell and let you out or was it because of the life you lived after you were set free?
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11


But what does that have to do with Maintaining our salvation(after justification)...

Hebrews 6 tells me to go on to maturity, and not just live in my Justification. Many believe all they need is justification and not sanctification.

There's no such thing as Justification without Sanctification.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/11


James L, I did not forget the others, I thought I gave you enough for you to understand the point. There is no salvation by losing rewards in James. You can lose rewards but that does not mean you are saved because you lost them. There is no such thing as salvation from losing rewards. If you do lose rewards, you get to keep your salvation even if you lose some rewards, salvation does not come from losing rewards. Sorry again. I know you will have another answer to that also. That last topic you were to proud to give in. It's ok to be wrong James. I have been also.
---Mark_V. on 3/31/11


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"If Jesus took your crime upon himself and you were declared not guilty, were you declared not guilty because he opened the cell and let you out or was it because of the life you lived after you were set free?"
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11

John 5:14: "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
---Nana on 3/31/11


MarkV,
you forgot to mention a few "salvations" in your list.

Salvation from losing our rewards (James 2:12-3:1).

Salvation from physical death (Romans 5).

Salvation unto an inheritance (Romans chapters 8-11)

I know you will demonstrate the confusion by arguing. Sometimes we have to lay aside our indoctrination. It hurts. Believe me, I know. I had to face the prospect that most everything I had been taught was wrong. It was very uncomfortable for me, but you can learn to use the entire canon of scripture instead of only the half that fits your doctrine. Other people use the other half just as convincing for the opposite view - without dancing around or explaining away.
---James_L on 3/30/11


What Im saying Kathr is that we arent justified by anything other than faith in Jesus Christ. Im speaking from a judicial standpoint only.

If Jesus took your crime upon himself and you were declared not guilty, were you declared not guilty because he opened the cell and let you out or was it because of the life you lived after you were set free?
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11


Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
---francis on 3/30/11


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Maintain, means to continue, Keep up, take care of. The opposite is neglect.

So if the opposite is to neglect, what does Paul instruct about neglecting.

1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

Continue is another word for maintain.

Colossians 1:23
If ye continue in the faith grounded

Colossians 4:2
Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving,

2 Timothy 3:14
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them,
---kathr4453 on 3/30/11


kathr4453,

Yes, as simple as that, Scripture talking. No need to expound with 'JARGON', it stands on its own!
This is the good talk in which we should admonish one another.

Phil.1:27
1Tim.4:12
2Pet.3:11
2Pet.3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
This last one, just like:
Mark.13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
---Nana on 3/30/11


Completely agree with MoreExcellentWay's post.

The promise came 430 years before Moses even gave man the law. The law was given to us to prove us guilty and paint a picture thru the sacrificial law of all the things that would be fulfilled by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He is the fulfillment of the Law!

The just shall live by faith in the son of God who gave himself a ransom for us.

God is the only Savior - we cannot save ourselves. We must simply trust in the provision He has made.

Gal 3:2,3 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11


3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge, 6And to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, 7And to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness charity.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/11


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Immediately after Moses gives the 10 commandments ....

24) An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

25) And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

26) Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.


Anything we add to the sacrifice of Christ or the altar on which is was done POLLUTES it! Read the letter to Galatia with that in mind.
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11


After Moses gives the 10 commandments ....

24) An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

25) And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

26) Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.


Anything we add to the altar thinking it makes the sacrifice more acceptable POLLUTES it in the eyes of God! Read Paul's letter to Galatia.
---Jasheradan on 3/30/11


THE most serious problem concerning devotion is Christian LINGO (religious JARGON). "GRACE" refers to how God "gives". "Gracious" giving means NOTHING IS REQUIRED/expected IN RETURN (as opposed to giving IMPERIALISTICALLY...expecting something in return).

"Saved BY grace" means that it is BECAUSE He is GRACIOUS that we have salvation.

Jesus FULFILLED the PURIFICATION REQUIREMENT necessary for humanity to be able to be rejoined to God.

Hebrews 1:3
"he had made purification for sins".

First, purification of the FLESH is done by Jesus, then His Spirit will teach us properly so that we will have a clear conscience about how we live (Hebrews 9:9 and 9:14, from RSV).
---more_excellent_way on 3/30/11


Here by -more excellent way- is a statement that deserves to be studied.
"It is not accurate to say that a person has the ability to "maintain" salvation from day to day. Forget about all you have been taught in 'the halls of Christianity', there is absolutely NOTHING we can do to be DESERVING or WORTHY. We simply are powerless to cause or facilitate/assist "SALVATION".

Do not insult or blaspheme The Father or His Son by believing that you can 'add to' the "works of God" that Jesus carried out on the cross (God's spirit was given AT THE SAME TIME Jesus was glorified).
---mima on 3/30/11


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Many claim to be saved by grace but seem so (rather, are so) desperate to prove that they do not have to fulfil the law...

Rom 2:27 "And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision
dost transgress the law?"
---Nana on 3/30/11


"But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone," Romans 9:31,32

"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." Romans 11:5,6

Many claim to be saved by grace but seem so desperate to use works to justify themselves or they will loose their salvation, which if you are saved by grace it is impossible.
---christan on 3/30/11


Mima
Before I can give an answer,
How do you define salvation?
---David on 3/30/11


Paul, I will answer kindly again. Lets say that you are correct and people lose their salvation, can you explain or give one passage where it is stated that a believer who has been brought to life by the Holy Spirit under the New Covenant, is taken back to been dead again? Or show that a believer is unreconciled? or that he has been unsealed by the Spirit, or that God removes the indwelling of the Spirit from the person under the New Covenant? or that the curse of Adam is applied to him again? Or that God is unable to keep him saved? Or that Christ is unable to sustain him to the end? That is what you and others suggest, so why don't you give Scriptures to teach us your Truth?
---Mark_V. on 3/30/11


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Actually, when we are saved, our OLD MAN DRUNKARD was crucified with Christ...and THAT old man will not inherit the Kingdom, OUR New Man in Christ is who inherits.

Paul continually teaches through out teh Gospel of Grace...your old drunkard man died with Christ. Now appropriate that truth, and stop living in your old man.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/11


James L, there is no confusion in what God has to say to the elect. Maybe it's confusing to some, but not I. I know who is our Savior, Jesus Christ, I also know who maintains us till the end Christ. What is there to get confused about? When a believer reads Scripture, he should know what kind of salvation he is reading about. Salvation from Pharaoh, or when people recover from a life threatening illness, they experience salvation. Salvation from the wrath of God, or present salvation by faith in Christ Jesus. No confusion there unless someone cannot understand.
---Mark_V. on 3/30/11


Paul part 1,
just read Mark V and francis repiles, and you will see what I am talking about with confusion.

They each have scriptural support for their words, but they don't realize that they are speaking of different aspects of salvation.

Mark says we have salvation, and are eternally secure, he is correct - redemption, justification, regeneration.

francis just quoted one of the most frequently misunderstood verses ever, saying that drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God, and he is correct. But what he doesn't realize is that "inheriting" the Kingdom is not the same as being in heaven.
---James_L on 3/29/11


Paul part 2,
Numbers 35, Israel's inheritance was a possession. all the tribes were to give to the Levites, to have a share.

Hebrews 8 Old Covenant was a foreshadow of better promises. The promise of an inheritance was first to Abraham.

Hebrews 11:15-16 Abraham was looking to a better country, a heavenly one.

Hebrews 9:15 a promise of an eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 1:14 calls the inheritance "salvation"

Romans chapters 10-11 Paul calls the inheritance "salvation"

Jesus said we believe in Him (faith only), we HAVE eternal life, never perish, etc. Luke 18:18 "what must I do to INHERIT eternal life?" Jesus' answer was "obey"
---James_L on 3/29/11


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Mark

That all sounds really good, but here is the thing.

God is Righteous and He can not recieve unrighteousness.

If we run well some things will attempt to hender us.

And we all will have struggles, no doubt.

But if a man decides to go back to practicing sin after salvation he is no longer saved nor can he be.

Search shall not enter the kingdom and you will find a long list of things which DQ one from entering who is practicing those deeds pre or post conversion.

Again I ask anyone for a verse that says we will enter in no matter what.

Look at Is 59: 1-2

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/29/11


Abide - to endure without yielding : withstand b : to bear patiently 3. : to accept without objection

Yes Mima, abide in Me and I in you...is a good way to maintain your salvation with Jesus Christ. We need to do our part as we go through trials and suffering as Jesus is comforming us to His Image..
---kathr4453 on 3/29/11


First and Foremost keep your eyes on JESUS. Look to Him. Listen to Him. Pray to GOD and walk each day with JESUS.

Die to self live for JESUS.

The are other disciplines that help. But unless JESUS is first in your life. They do not matter.
---Samuel on 3/29/11


Paul, again I will answer to you in this way. Very kindly as we should. Salvation is not of any kind of works we do, whether good or bad. Salvation is of Grace through faith. All descendants of Adam are heading already to hell. What they need is a Savior. Jesus Christ. Rejection of Christ only permits those going to hell to continue to hell. Those who have faith in Christ, will believe in the works of Christ on the Cross and they will be saved. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. Christ will never leave you or forsake you. No one can separate you from the love of Christ. No one, if you are saved.
---Mark_V. on 3/29/11


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James

How do you come to that decision, based upon what?

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/29/11


1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine, continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel,

You must continue in the faith and doctrine to be saved.
Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
---francis on 3/29/11


Paul knew that on his part he had to maintan a certain behaviour. he was not free ot do his own thing or he would not be saved.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
---francis on 3/29/11


This world seems to defile our principles.
With so much 'acceptance' and degradation being 'allowed' today, we are continually being presented with occasions to witness in truth and discipline or complacentcy and apathy.
Our attitude depreciates as we age. This can only be realized with experience. Discipline and kind works can only help our cause.
In the old testament God had the Levites performing rituals as His priests.
In the new testament, since Gods' Spirit is more widely dispersed and available to all, through belief in His Son Jesus, our Christ, our messiah, our teacher, our king, then we need to act as Jesus did and love God with all our heart soul and mind.
Matt.22:37-40
---danny-o on 3/29/11


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Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
---francis on 3/29/11


More excellent, I agree, Salvation is all of Grace. I disagree with James L. he said,

"Paul hoped to be found in Christ, and to not be disqualified."

Paul did not mean disqualified from salvation. 1 Cor. 9:24-27 is referring to running a race. This is a metaphor from the athletic games. Paul was referring to such fleshly sins that disqualify a man from preaching and leading the church, particularly being blameless and above reproach in the sexual area, since such sin is a disqualification (Ps. 101:6, Pro. 6:33, 1 Tim. 3:2, Titus 1:6.
He disciplined his body and brought it to subjection. He was not running with uncertainty. Four times he has mentioned his goal of winning people to salvation (v.19,22).
---Mark_V. on 3/29/11


We certainly can't die for our sins. Jesus did that already. But we can at least live by feeding on the Bread from Heaven!! That way we will be sure to "maintain" our salvation. If we haven't fed on the True Bread we'd find that our faith was also dead. Again, be careful to eat up. :)
---hop on 3/29/11


Paul,
Both salvation and eternal life are broad terms, used interchanggably.

We currently possess salvation and eternal life.

But we can also inherit salvation and eternal life. It is also called inheriting the Kingdom. Most people get confused over the word "inherit", wrongly thinking it means "enter". What it means is to be given something to own.

In the NT, currently having salvation or eternal life is through faith only. But when either is presented as future it is attained through works.

Jesus said He came that we might have life (present) and have it more abundantly (future)
---James_L on 3/29/11


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Luke 20:35 "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:"

Rom.1:32 "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Eph.4:1 "I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,"

Col.1:10 "That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God,"
---Nana on 3/29/11


Are you saying their is a difference between salvation and eternal life with and in Christ?

God Bless, Paul
---James on 3/29/11


Neither we nor the prophets or the patriarchs are relevant to "salvation", ONLY JESUS on the cross is relevant to salvation. Why do you even CARE about the prophets or patriarchs?. We are supposed to be "TRUE worshippers" that worship SPIRITUALLY (not PHYSICALLY) and in truth.

John 4:23
"the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth"...THAT is the kind of person that the Father wants to worship Him.

Resist intellectualizing/rationalizing the prophets, patriarchs, etc., but NEVER demean what Jesus did on the cross. We simply do not possess any abilities that God is needy of.

....as if He needed anything....nor is he served by human hands (Acts 17:25).
---more_excellent_way on 3/29/11


Colossian 1

21) And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22)In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23)If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister,


In other words... keep the faith that Jesus Christ is your Savior - not you.
---Jasheradan on 3/29/11


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So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18
---Kimbe7395 on 3/29/11


It is not accurate to say that a person has the ability to "maintain" salvation from day to day. Forget about all you have been taught in 'the halls of Christianity', there is absolutely NOTHING we can do to be DESERVING or WORTHY. We simply are powerless to cause or facilitate/assist "SALVATION".

Do not insult or blaspheme The Father or His Son by believing that you can 'add to' the "works of God" that Jesus carried out on the cross (God's spirit was given AT THE SAME TIME Jesus was glorified).

JOHN 7:39
"for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified".

The ONLY knowledge necessary is THE GOSPEL (what Jesus did on the cross),...NOT ALL SCRIPTURE.
---more_excellent_way on 3/29/11


Proverbs 16:17 "The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul."
---Nana on 3/28/11


Christians maintain their salvation by love (as in the verb form) becasue faith without works is dead faith. We maintain our salvation by having a genuine love towards others and do it on a daily basis. Can a house plant survive without maintenance?
---Steveng on 3/28/11


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Can a branch remove itself from the vine?
Can it nourish itself or is it nourished because of being graffed?
Who is producing the fruit, the branch, or the nourishment through the branch?
How do we know when a branch has been graffed in, instead of just taped on?
We who have the Spirit are being maintained and are producing good works for His glory.
How did I receive the Holy Spirit of my Lord and God?
I believed...
1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
---micha9344 on 3/28/11


Salvation is a very broad term, with several aspects.

We cannot ever, under any circumstance, lose our place in God's family. We are born again, and sealed unto the day of redemption.

But, our inheritance is another thing. Paul hoped to be found in Christ, and to not be disqualified. What happens if we neglect so great a salvation? Hebrews 1:14 tells us that our inheritance is called "salvation". Romans 8:17 says we are joint inheritors with Christ IF we suffer with Him. This aspect of salvation can be forfeited, though it has no bearing on whether we go to heaven or not. It is maintained by being conformed to the image of Christ through suffering, and enduring persecution to the end.
---James_L on 3/28/11


1Co 10:12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
13-15

So if you don't head or guard against temptation from where do you fall and from what?

And if you cant turn back from God and backslide what does this scripture mean?

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

I challenge any one to present a scripture that states that no matter what you do you are saved eternally even in your sinful ways.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/28/11


Maintain? Is salvation similar to that of a car or a house? And you profess to be a believer of God's Word? God the Holy Spirit gives life to the sinner making him a Christian. And don't you think that it will be the Holy Spirit who will walk you till you leave this world to be with Christ?

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it." 1 Thessalonians 5:23,24, and people don't believe in eternal security.

Salvation is all God's work (100%) and there's nothing you can do to save yourself trying to "maintain your salvation".
---christan on 3/28/11


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To maintain your salvation - the Bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. The ONLY way to do this is by praying (talking to, and listening to God) EVERYDAY, reading the Bible EVERYDAY, and spending quality time with God EVERYDAY, and to live a life of HOLINESS. Do you have a best friend that you only talk to this person once a month or once a year? If they are your best friend, you talk to them at least once a day, don't you? The same is with God.
---Leslie on 3/28/11


---Bill_willa6989 has a very clever answer.
---mima on 3/28/11


//God maintains our salvation.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/28/11//

Bill, if God maintains our salvation then why does scripture tell us, "Work out your own salvation."

We maintain our salvation by being obedient to His Word, Worshipping Him, Loving Him with all of our heart, soul and mind. We pray and we obey His word. If we fall out of fellowship with Him and get ourselves into sin doesn't Romans say they were given over to their own lusts?
---Donna5535 on 3/28/11


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