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Explain Romans 14:14 Are there any food restrictions on those who are Christians?

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Leonia, vegetarianism is not a religious requirement for Adventists but a health issue. Adventists generally have superior diet than other Christians. I always look forward to Adventist meals. Conversely the food offered in many other churches is unhealthy!

Staying in Adventist homes showed me the Sabbath isn't a work of salvation but a pleasure, a day of rest.

Further are we allowed to ignore the 10 Commandments? I don't have a Saturday Sabbath but a Sunday one, a day of rest and recouperation. What a pleasure that is, in this rushing world.

I do not see that Adventists are out of sync with Scripture in taking a day of rest.
---Warwick on 4/6/11


Act 15:28-29 it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well."

The verse is a warning about hidden practices that were being taught to Gentiles.

//Don't tell me it is unfair for it is plainly written in the bible.// steveng --the verse that you hang your opinion on is clearly written but not clearly interpreted.

//Whatever is created by God is edible - even the meat sacraficed to idols.// steveng --Don't tell me everything is edible for it is clearly written in Acts.
---aka on 4/6/11


**But the council endorsed the dietary laws: Acts 15:20 things strangled, and from blood.

The verse does not even imply that Gentile converts could not eat certain foods as mentioned in Leviticus.

Things strangled & from blood was a compromise made so Gentiles could fellowship with Jewish believers.

One rule of interpretation that you ignore is that scripture must be interpreted by scripture.

And it is very plain elsewhere in the Bible that there are no food restrictions on believers. (Romans 14:2,14, 1 Cor. 8:8, Col. 2:16) and that has been the teachings of the church since its beginning.
---leonia on 4/6/11


Leonia, do not assume my attitude towards Adventists is based upon ignorance. I have dared to read. The internet is alive with condemnation of what Christians believe and much of it is nonsense. Have you ever read what some 'Christians' write about those who accept Biblical creation? A load of trash.

As a non Adventist I have preached the gospel in about 40 Adventist (and countless non Adventist churches) and have seem how openly most Adventists accept the truth of Gods word, from Genesis to Revelation. In fact they accepted His truth more readily than most in other churches.

I do not know whether White plagaiized material but only know that her presentation of the gospel in Desire of Ages was instrumental in my salvation.
---Warwick on 4/6/11


aka: "[Steveng wrote] //It is the weak christians that eat only certain foods, like the vegetarians.//"

aka: "that is a bit unfair."

Don't tell me it is unfair for it is plainly written in the bible.

aka: "the weak Christians are those who do not feed on the Truth of Jesus Christ."

Christians are christians whether weak or strong, newly born or matured.
---Steveng on 4/5/11




Was the Jerusalem council in error?
---leonia on 4/5/11
Genesis 17:4 and Genesis 17:11 Circumcision is a covenant between God and abraham and his seed that Abraham would be bless with many children.
Through this covenant all nations would be blessed (Genesis 18:18 )

Circumcision is also a BLOOD COVENANT( Exodus 4:25-26)

The blesing of abraham ( Galatians 3:14)the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The blessing having come to all nations, there is the need for sircumcison to anymore. We have the blessing.

Also because Jesus shed his blood, there is NO more need for any Blood covenants.

So the council was right.
---francis on 4/5/11


But the council endorsed the dietary laws: Acts 15:20 things strangled, and from blood.

they commanded all gentiles to hear Moses Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues EVERY SABBATH DAY

Part of the dietary law was that no one eat blood or thing strangled. Just as ONE moral law with ten commandments, There is only ONE DIETARY LAW with TWO commandments (clean and unclean)

Ezekiel 4:14 for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself( STRANGLED), or is torn in pieces, neither came there abominable flesh( UNCLEAN) into my mouth.
No way you could seperate the ditary laws.

Moses every sabbath NOT every first day?
---francis on 4/5/11


Was the Jerusalem council in error?
---leonia on 4/5/11
Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

AGAIN CIRCUMCISION

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

---francis on 4/5/11


Warwick ** 2 Tim 4:4 (KJV) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I also have read much of Ellen Whites Desire of the Ages and have found far too many articles that have proven she borrowed much of the material for her book from other authors.

So if you found any truth in it, you really need to credit other authors.

Suggest you go to the internet site entitled Truth or Fables - exposing SDA Fables and read it all for yourself. I would dare you to read the truth for yourself.
---leonia on 4/5/11


francis **If jesus said that they could eat anything (unclean) he himself would have been laying aside the commandments of God:

Was the Jerusalem council in error?

He did not mandate laws that were strictly Jewish in nature to Gentile beleivers. That much is easily seen in that Gentiles need not become circumcised nor were the Levitical food laws imposed on them.

Your problem is between Jesus of the Old Covenant and Jesus of the New Covenant.

Once you are able to distinguish was pertained ONLY to the Jewish nation and the church, the fog around your mind could be lifted.
---leonia on 4/5/11




\\Is White a false prophet?
I've heard mentioned that her prophecy's failed.
She's got important stuff wrong....what could she possibly have wrong in the easy stuff? Wow.\\

There is a book by a deposed SDA pastor called THE WHITE LIE that proves that not only was EGW a false prophet, she wasn't even honest, but a plagiarist of the first order.
---Cluny on 4/5/11


Acts 10:28 God hath shewed me not call any man common or unclean.

It was the TRADITION of the jews to wash thier hands before they ate less by any means they had touch a gentile and become defiled.

Jesus disciples ate bread and without washing thier hands

Mark 7:2 his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with UNWASHENED, hands.

Jesus said:
Matthew 15:20 to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. Mark 7:8 laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,

If jesus said that they could eat anything (unclean) he himself would have been laying aside the commandments of God:
Leviticus 11:7 And the swine, he is unclean to you.
---Francis on 4/5/11


Leonia you are a nasty piece of work.
... and White's 'Desire of Ages' which brought me to Christ.
---Warwick on 4/4/11

A nasty piece of work?

Looks like your work got a little nasty here.

Is White a false prophet?
I've heard mentioned that her prophecy's failed.
She's got important stuff wrong....what could she possibly have wrong in the easy stuff? Wow.

I'd never read her works. Why waste time reading works of a false prophet/preacher/teacher?
Scripture doesn't endorse these either.
Interesting to hear your foundationals though.
---Trav on 4/5/11


**Third the context is UNWASHED hands not clean and unclean - Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

The issue arose because the disciples were violating the traditions established by the elders - traditions they put on the same level as scripture itself.

Mk. 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Howbeit the point Jesus made was that whatever comes from the heart one may become defiled, not what goes into the stomach.

In effect, your views on this issue are really foolish and have no real basis in scripture. Mt. 11:17
---leonia on 4/5/11


CLUNY FOR THE VERY LAST TIME:

I DO NOT:
Leviticus 19:19 mingle a garment of linen and woollen

Deuteronomy 14:21 seethe a kid in his mother's milk

Leviticus 19:28 make any cuttings in my flesh , nor print any marks upon me:

PLEASE do not ask me these questions again. answering ONCE is enough
---francis on 4/5/11


---Peter on 4/5/11
Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD

Peter:
you are 100% correct romans 14 does not condradict Acts 10, nor 1 corithians 10, nor leviticus 11 or deuternomy 14, Isaiah 66:17, nor Genesis 7:2 Nor Matthew 15:20, Mark 7:2, Mark 7:5

God is not going to send sme to hell for eating swine, and other to heaven while eating swine.

Romans 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
---francis on 4/5/11


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Warwick **many people are quick to form opinions of other people or groups by second-hand information. Such information often written by people who have "an axe to grind."

While that may be somewhat true, many of those authors are careful to document their sources & experiences.

The evidence is really overwhelming that olde Ellen White plagiarized the daylights out of other people works. The comparisons are rather obvious, even the SDA scholars has had problems in investigating her works. One would really have to be blind not to see that.

I do not have problems seeing that many SDA are clean living people, but with their views on foods and the Sabbath they are out of sink with Biblical truth.
---leonia on 4/5/11


\\I am NOT the one who says peter was compeling gentiles to live as jews> GOD's WORD DOES:\\

Nevertheless, you're making the same error Peter did in this case.
---Cluny on 4/5/11


---Peter on 4/5/11
Romans 14, and acts 10 does not contradict what is in the OT as pertaining to clean and unclean.

Romans 14 is about meat sold in the market like 1 coritthians 10. In the roman empire pagans would sarifice to idols and sell soem of the meat in thet market. Those who believed that it was unclean because of the pagan sacrifice did not eat.

There is the ONLY interpretation of Peters vision:
Acts 10:28 but God hath shewed me that I should not call any MAN common or unclean.

Peter vision did not give him permision to eat what the bible already called unclean, but rather allowed him to know that he is to call no man unclean or common, but the gospel was for all men.
---francis on 4/5/11


francis, i'm sorry your faith is so weak, but I promise you to do my best not to eat a bacon cheeseburger in front of you lest you be caused to stumble thereby.
---Cluny on 4/5/11


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And this is EXACTLY what you are doing, francis: trying to compel Gentiles to live like Jews.
---Cluny on 4/5/11

You always give me Gods glory NO THANKS. Give God his Glory Cluny and not me. I am NOT the one who says peter was compeling gentiles to live as jews> GOD's WORD DOES:

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto PETER before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why COMPELLEST thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?


See it is THE WORD OF GOD and NOT FRANCIS who says this

Stop giving me God's glory
---francis on 4/5/11


Francis: you are completely correct in that the Bible does not contradict itself.

In the same way, Rom 14:14 does not contradict what God told Peter abut the unclean animals.....

It seems to me quite obvious that the comment ir Rom 14:14 is just about some Christians, who know remembered, for example, eating the same food that was in front of them in a Christian meal, eating the same food as a sacrifice to idols. Then they might be concerned about the connection, though a stronger beleived would have been OK abuot it
---Peter on 4/5/11


---Donna66
Jesus did teach on the sabbath, because the sabbath is part of the moral law: It is part of our moral obligation to honour God as our creater.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Second Noah was not a jew.

Third the context is UNWASHED hands not clean and unclean
Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
---francis on 4/5/11


matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with UNWASHEN HANDS defileth not a man.

Leviticus 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

BIBLE DOES not CONTRADICT ITSELF.
THE ENTIRE CONTEXT IS ABOUT EATING WITH UNWASHED HAND: not eating unclean meats.

Mark 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciplesEAT BREAD with defiled, that is to say, with UNWASHEN, hands, they found fault.

Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but EAT BREAD with UNWASHEN HANDS?
---francis on 4/5/11


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\\It seems that Peter ws teaching/ compelling gentiles to live as jews. That would ofcourse include EATING LIKE JEWS\\

And this is EXACTLY what you are doing, francis: trying to compel Gentiles to live like Jews.

Or rather, to adopt the half-way wannabee Kariteism you follow.

You apparently don't observe all the laws yourself, because I noticed you really squirmed when I asked you if you violated the Biblical law against wearing blended fabric.
---Cluny on 4/5/11


Leonia, many people are quick to form opinions of other people or groups by second-hand information. Such information often written by people who have "an axe to grind." I have met one of the authors you list and would not take much notice of what he has written.

Let us make a judgement from personal experience, rather than hearsay.

I have mixed with numerous Adventists over decades and believe they are definitely Christian but some hold to ideas I disagree with. But that goes for what some, of varous denominations,write here. Some reject foundational Scriptures but still insist they are Christian.

The SDA's do not deserve your villification.
---Warwick on 4/5/11


The comment there is simply that if we are weak in faith, we may have things that, if we eat, will damage our faith - NOT because the food is bad, but because our faith is weak

Than, we must avoid it
---James on 4/5/11


And then you got the very words of jesus that Frances continues to ignore!

Mark 7:18f And he said to them, Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,
since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
And he said, What comes out of a person is what defiles him.
For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.
All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.

Someone needs to wake up olde Frances to the truth!
---leonia on 4/5/11


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Francis--
Let me recap.
As I said, The crucifixion and resurrection changed MANY OT laws (e.g. the need for animal sacrifices.) Thus it is NOT true that ALL laws in the OT remain unchanged in the NT.
Keeping the Sabbath is not a MORAL Law. Jesus taught concerning the MORAL law.

Jesus said Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth DEFILETH a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this DEFILETH a man.

Eating pork was never prohibited to Gentiles, only Jews.
Peter, a Jew, ate with the Gentiles and did not require them to eat as Jews. (YOU would have, I know!) He was rebuked by PAUL for behaving differently in the company of Jews than when with Gentiles.
---Donna66 on 4/4/11


Samuel **But why lie

NO need to lie about olde Ellen White as the proof has already abundantly available.

Try reading the White Lie by Syndey Cleveland, White Out by Dirk Anderson, Exposing SDA by Russell Kelly, Discovering the New Covenant (why I am no longer an SDA),The Sabbath & the Lord's Day by H.M Riggle, Cultic doctrine of the SDAs by Dale Ratzlaff, Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff, and for her crazy health advice, try reading Prophetess of Health by Ronald Numbers. The proof that she was a false prophet is not hard to find but is very well documented.

Sorry that you have not yet seen that, but you really need to investigate these things.
---leonia on 4/4/11


Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

It seems that Peter ws teaching/ compelling gentiles to live as jews. That would ofcourse include EATING LIKE JEWS

Paul rebuked him not for teaching gentiles to live as Jews, but for showing prejudice towards the gentiles in the presenc eof Jews
---francis on 4/4/11


Jeremiah 7:9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, swear falsely, And come and stand before me in this house, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations

Those who take seriously the sacrifice made By jesus, are deeply repentant whenever they sin. they understand that the resonJjesus died was because of sins, and one of these sins includs eating what God says not to eat, so they will NEVER choose to do the very thing that placed my saviour on the cross.

Leviticus 11:7 And the swine,
Leviticus 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you,
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

How can a HOLY GOD take please in ABOMINATION of ANY KIND?
---francis on 4/4/11


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Leonia you are a nasty piece of work.

I am not Adventist but have read books written by Ellen White and see a woman committed to a living faith in Jesus Christ. As mentioned before it was God's work, through an adventist doctor, and White's 'Desire of Ages' which brought me to Christ.

By the way the Adventist church does not command vegetarianism. It is a health policy, not one of faith. I have had beautiful baked chicken at SDA lunches.

---Warwick on 4/4/11


\\I can see how you could make that assumption. \\ It's been the teaching of Christianity for 2000 years.

\\ Should we eat what GOD has said is not good for us to eat?\\

Please quote BCV where Got said that pork or shrimp was unfit for human consumption.

The Hebrew word for "unclean" in these and other verses is referring to a ritual or ceremonial taboo, not to something that is sin in itself. The same word is used to refer to men or women who have undergone a ritual defilement, e.g., menstruation, childbirth, contact with a corpse, seminal emission And notice that the passage says, "unclean FOR YOU." The strictest rabbi in the world will tell you this NEVER applied to Gentiles under any circumstance.
---Cluny on 4/4/11


Rom 14:2 One person believes he may eat anything, while [he believes] the weak person eats only vegetables.

it is about quarreling over non-spiritual matters. sometimes we have to insert reasonable fill-ins to avoid such pointless arguments. otherwise, the sentence does just that...cause silly opinions.
---aka on 4/4/11


Ellen White was an occult spiritualist, so what can we believe of her followers?leonia

I do not mind if you tell me I am wrong. Nor does it even upset me if you challenge my spirituality. But it does upset me to have lies told about my church. So you disagree. Why tell a lie? You can have plenty of reasons to disagree even tell me I do not know what I am talking about. But why lie? Are you not breaking the law of GOD when you bear false witness?
---Samuel on 4/4/11


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\\If however you mean he ate unclean meat then you have no basis for your statment. It does not record what he ate. \\

I think it can be deduced from this:

Galatians 2:14 Cluny

Interesting. I can see how you could make that assumption. But it could also mean that he was not keeping all the Jewish rituals or eating meat that was not killed in a certain way. We know from Paul's latter discussion that Christian bought meat in the market place that had not been killed in a Kosher manner.

To me this is still a health issue. Should we eat what GOD has said is not good for us to eat? Should you wash your hands befor you eat? My answer to the first is no. To the second yes.
---Samuel on 4/4/11


. The Moral Law
is the law Jesus was concerned with.
---Donna66 on 4/4/11
Then you have a problem, becuse the moral law being ONE LAW comes in ten commandments:

MORAL OBLIGATION TO GOD, LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART.
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.

MORAL OBLIGATION TO NEIGHBOURS, LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
---francis on 4/4/11


Francis-- Jesus' sacrifice on the cross made all the rituals and laws pertaining to animal sacrifice unnecessary.
---Donna66 on 4/4/11

how does a change in sacrificial system change dietary laws?

book chapter verse please
---francis on 4/4/11


Francis-- Jesus' sacrifice on the cross made all the rituals and laws pertaining to animal sacrifice unnecessary. There are a lot of changes in Jewish custom right there.

Gentiles were never prohibited from eating pork in the first place....just as they weren't required to be circumcised or observe the Passover. The Moral Law
is the law Jesus was concerned with.
---Donna66 on 4/4/11


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Jesus WAS that Lamb of God sacrificed for us, wasn't He? That act alone changed multiple O.T. requirements.
---Donna66 on 4/2/11

Like what?
Show me how jesus being the lamb of God make is possible for believers to eat pork?
---francis on 4/4/11


aka- Don't blame steveng for some personal bias against vegetarians. Rom 14:2 (in the NKJV ,and most English translations, says) For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. In the King James Version, the word is "herbs" instead of vegetables.

Do you think Paul had something against "vegetarians"? I don't think that was his point at all.
---Donna66 on 4/3/11


//Whatever is created by God is edible - even the meat sacraficed to idols.//

steveng, for those who believe in Christ Jesus, there might be an issue with that (ref, Rev 2.) However, to define today what an idol is is subjective to man and absolute to God.

//It is the weak christians that eat only certain foods, like the vegetarians.//

that is a bit unfair. there are some who prefer a different source of protein like legumes. there are those who cannot digest meat properly.

the weak Christians are those who do not feed on the Truth of Jesus Christ.
---aka on 4/3/11


Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

And you actually think you have no logs in your eyes, francis?


---Cluny on 4/1/11
Francis does not have any logs in his eyes nor even a sliver as he has simply been blinded by the god of this world.

Ellen White was an occult spiritualist, so what can we believe of her followers?
---leonia on 4/3/11


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Francis--The differences between the OT and NT are not an optical illusion (like the bent soda straw). Many promises in the Old Testament were fulfilled in the New Testament.

Consequently there are differences...not in principle, but in fact.
Are we to actually present a blood sacrifice on Passover...go find a Spring lamb somewhere that has perfect conformation (whatever it takes to be without fault)-- an kill it for the Lord? No. Jesus WAS that Lamb of God sacrificed for us, wasn't He? That act alone changed multiple O.T. requirements.

For that, we rejoice and praise God. And I do! (clear down to the bottom of my cotton/polyester jeans)!
---Donna66 on 4/2/11


I can't find a single food restriction anywhere for Christians.

Rom 14:19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Rom 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
Rom 14:22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
---Donna66 on 4/2/11


\\If however you mean he ate unclean meat then you have no basis for your statment. It does not record what he ate. \\

I think it can be deduced from this:

Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
---Cluny on 4/2/11


Whatever is created by God is edible - even the meat sacraficed to idols.

It is the weak christians that eat only certain foods, like the vegetarians.
---Steveng on 4/1/11


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Samuel-- But Peter DID eat with the Gentiles in the book of Acts. Don't know what he ate, but it would not have been "kosher". Donna66

That depends. First by Kosher do you mean the set of regulations that come from Jewish traditions. Then you are correct. If however you mean he ate unclean meat then you have no basis for your statment. It does not record what he ate.

Here I see two extremes.

One says all who eat improperly are lost. The other says there is no improper eating.

I do not agree with either. Yes it is wrong to break laws of health. But we pay for that physically. No it is not good to break health laws you will hurt youself.

Agape to all
---Samuel on 4/1/11


\\Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Do YOU wear them?
---francis on 4/1/11\\

And you actually think you have no logs in your eyes, francis?

Gentile Christians are not and never have been bound by the Kashuroth.

You just want everyone bound by the anti-gospel of "Touch not, taste not, handle not," so you can glory in their flesh.
---Cluny on 4/1/11


So is wearing blended fabrics, francis.

Do you wear them?
---Cluny on 4/1/11

Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Do YOU wear them?
---francis on 4/1/11


**\\Remember that God warned that anyone who ate anything unclean would be commiting an abomination.\\

the verse is from Deut 14:2f and pertains ONLY to the Jewish people. Francis foolish idea that we become converts to Judaism upon becoming Christians is yet another example of extremely poor exegetics of Scripture.

Jesus made it very plain that we can eat anything that is deemed to be food. Of course, Romans 14 may not be in their Bible or it may be blacked out by their church.

The Jesus that told believers food does not defile us is probably not the Jesus they worship but a mere figment of their vain imagaination.
---leonia on 4/1/11


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\\Remember that God warned that anyone who ate anything unclean would be commiting an abomination.\\

So is wearing blended fabrics, francis.

Do you wear them?
---Cluny on 4/1/11


Mark 7:18-21 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him, Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Did Jesus contradict Scripture when He stated that food does not make one unclean but whatever comes out of the heart instead?
---leonia on 4/1/11


Remember that God warned that anyone who ate anything unclean would be commiting an abomination.

Now we know that christ died for our sin / abominations.

How then does christ die because of our abominations ( including eating unclean meants) and after His death allows us ot eat unclean meats?
It grieves His heart everytime anyone who is called a christian willfully does what placed him on the cross.

It is as if we do not apprieciate what God / Jesus did to cleans us of our sins
---francis on 4/1/11


I always think about THE JUDGMENT:
We all know that some people will go to the lake of fire for eating swine, more specifically for disobeying God when he said do not eat swine.

Then I ask it is justice for some to go to the lake of fire for eating swine, and some go to heaven even if they choose to eat swine?


Romans 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
---francis on 4/1/11


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//...it is contrary to this text...//
Acts 10:12-14 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. And there came a voice to him: "Rise, Peter, kill and eat." But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean." And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has made clean, do not call common."

The last book of the Bible is called the Revelation of Jesus Christ. In any revelation, there is progression, yet when it comes to Jesus Christ, you do a u-turn. By the power of Jesus Christ, I am now not of Jacob and I am not Gentile. I am a new creation 2Co 5:17. It is unfortunate that you twist His scripture to your own destruction.
---aka on 4/1/11


Donna5535

Steve Shultz is just one of many modern false prophets.

The Elijah List is a non-denominational "Christian" prophetic website created by Steve Shultz in 1997 with around 131,000 subscribers to their mailing list.

"We live in the days of diminished discernment and the intimidation with fear to judge teaching. Now we have a group of prophets all desiring to be like [William] Branham.

Steve Shultz Founder and Publisher The ElijahList & ElijahRain magazine has numerous of the prophets featured endorse Branham, considering that they call themselves prophets you wonder how they can be so blind to Branhams departure of Scripture." --let us reason dot org.
---aka on 4/1/11


Francis-- perhaps this isn't an issue because it's so easy to avoid eating things "strangled"...what form of livestock is put to death this way? ---Donna66 on 3/31/11

Some animals are tied with a rope by the neck and end up strangled.
---francis on 4/1/11


\\Francis-- perhaps this isn't an issue because it's so easy to avoid eating things "strangled"...what form of livestock is put to death this way? (chickens? they are usually beheaded).\\

This actually is a Greek word trying to express the meaning of the Hebrew word TREF--literally, "torn"--or something that dies of itself--carrion or road kill, in other words
---Cluny on 3/31/11


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1Co 8:8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.

Romans 14:14-15 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.

If the Apostle Paul could be persuaded that no foods are unclean why do we have problems in this issue?
---leonia on 3/31/11


Samuel-- But Peter DID eat with the Gentiles in the book of Acts. Don't know what he ate, but it would not have been "kosher".

Francis-- perhaps this isn't an issue because it's so easy to avoid eating things "strangled"...what form of livestock is put to death this way? (chickens? they are usually beheaded).
One could choose only kosher beef, but kosher or not, the blood remains in the meat (thus it's red color).
---Donna66 on 3/31/11


If you look at a straw in a glass of water it APPEARS to be bent. the truth is it is not bent, it only apears that way from your vantage point. So it is with scriptures that do not hold truth across the entire bible (OT and NT)

Isaiah 28:10 For precept MUST be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:

This method of bible study as prescribed by God must hold true through the entire bible for the NT and OT can both be considered as " the word of God."

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Is God double minded when it comes to hid dietary laws? Or does a straw bend when it enters water?
---francis on 3/31/11


"Are you still so dull?" Jesus said (Mat.15.16 NIV) not what goes in the mouth but what comes out of the mouth....that defiles!
---1st_cliff on 3/31/11


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Isaiah 66:21 "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD."
francis,
Are there 'priests' and 'Levites' in your church?
---Nana on 3/31/11


Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

If This text is about clean and unclean meats, then it is contrary to this text:

Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

because this text ensure those who eat certain food will be consumed and not enter the kingdon
---francis on 3/31/11


Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

The doctrine on what can and cannot be eaten, MUST be true today yesterday and forever, or it will not stand.

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Why then is part of the dietary laes: ( BLOOD, THINGS STRANGLED) aceptabel while PART is left out?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
---francis on 3/31/11


john usa....i agree with what you said.
---JIM on 3/31/11


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Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

ALL FLESH means ALL FLESH not just jews

Then Romans 14 talk about meat offered in the market place. The careful reader will see that in Romans 14 Meat (flesh) is contrasted with herds.

If Romans 14 said that we could any what ever we wanted, that would be contrary to SCRIPTURE
---francis on 3/31/11


First Peter stated he had never eaten unclean food even after the Resurrection of JESUS.

Eating what is bad for you is not a good thing. Drinking Alchol, smokeing tobaccoo or using drugs are all things we take into our bodies that destroy us and destroy our witness.

Eating unclean foods like pork and shellfish are unhealthy for us. GOD after all designed our bodies. He said we should wash our hands and not eat certain foods.

Many today encourage us to wash our hands but then want us to eat that which is bad according to GOD for us. Why?

As a Seventh day Adventist I believe it is best to wash my hands and not eat food GOD says is bad for me.
---Samuel on 3/31/11


Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
---aka on 3/30/11


I hope not. I was taught that all things are lawful, and all things in moderation.

Personally, I don't drink alcohol, but that has to do with being in recovery for alcoholism.
---Trish on 3/30/11


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Yes, there is one restriction. We are not to eat any type of food, the eating of which would offend the people with whom we keeping company.
---John.usa on 3/31/11


Leonia, based on scripture there is no food by God's account which is unclean.

But there are some people who based on their religion, and not what is written in scripture will say there are unclean foods.

Jesus died to set the captives free.

Satan through religion is keeping people held captive and in bondage.
---Rob on 3/31/11


Pork maybe? Because it's mentioned in Leviticus as an unclean animal.

Does anyone know Steve who runs Elijah List? I forget his last name. He told something cute and I'd like to share. When the demons asked Jesus not to cast them out, but to let them go into the herd of swine (pigs), Steve said that Jesus said, "Well since I don't like pork, go ahead and into the swine they went." BTW, did you notice the swine in that story went over the cliff so they were ditched anyway. Do you think they thought they were safe in swine?
---Donna5535 on 3/31/11




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