Ezekiel 33:12 suggests that righteous people who go wrong, that their former righteous deeds then count for nothing.
---mike4879 on 1/5/17|
St Luke 12:45 (in the original 1611 Holy Bible text) does not contain the word "evil." Rather, it refers to that same servant identified in the preceding verses.
---Warren on 8/23/16|
Hi Elena, oh do I love jazz music!! Makes me want to dance! :) God bless you sister. I go in this morning to have lump checked out, would be full of bull if I said I wasn't scared lol, it's okay though, I think it's just scar tissue. Anyway keep up the great work, hugs, Mary
---Mary on 5/22/12|
Hello,Mary got thankyou for ask 'bout our music! Goin' slow but,we did get lillexposure,funny ha!ha! Last week I sang & we had a "free under the blood "wonderfull jam session with a small group fr our band leader church.. I sang in Spanish,fast percussin (great jazz layers formaly) we are looking for a good flutt person/or clarinet,accostic guitarist.. JC & me we do a great ensemble bass & tempo/melody Pipe organ! Wow! He's good,he been playing piano since a kid,we do great! I sang this past sunday a church new openingsort of jazz-mambo beat & me singing my testimony.... We had a wonderfull time. I might be able get a lady come help bring healthier food my home. Be well Mary! Love,your friend
---ELENA on 5/21/12|
There is a school of thought that says, that the five crowns that are mentioned in the Bible to be won(awards) have to do with our behavior. We can do nothing to earn salvation but once saved we are free to do many things to eaarn our rewards.
---mima on 4/25/11|
"So far we know that servant is not saved. If he was he would not resort to evil actions, he was a hypocrite. If you believe that servant was a Christian, then you don't know the difference between a genuine believer in Christ, an a unbeliever who is wicked. "
"Believers are born of God and we do exhort them."
If a saved person would not resort to evil actions why exhort them?
1John 5:16 "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it."
Any twisted 'interpretation' of 1John 5:16, something like the brother is not 'saved'?
---Nana on 4/25/11|
Nana, Hebrews 3:13 is speaking to those who believe already. The writer says in (v. 1-3), "Therefore, "holy brethren" partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, who was faithful to Him who appointed Him...,"
then in (v.13) he continues with, "But exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today" lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin."
This answer is to your comment,
"Paul says 'exhort', you fight any and all exhortation. You say man is dead"
I was speaking of the lost, those who are not born of God. They are dead. Believers are born of God and we do exhort them.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/11|
Nana, I don't know where you see that Christ becomes our servant. We are His servants. If we do anything good as believers it is only because of Christ who lives in our lives. Not because we are good of ourselves, for everything good comes from above.
Under works for salvation, you have to be good in order to earn salvation. The question would be, how good? Compared to who? compare to a murderer? Whether a person commits a million sins, or one sin, without Christ he is condemned already. In God's standard of righteousness we have nothing good of ourselves. Everyone is already condemned. No amount of good deeds will earn him salvation.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/11|
With all this imputation you talk about, you make Christ your servant rather than you his.
Your days are spent talking down on your fellow man and disputing anyone who dare repeat what he,(we) is,(are) commanded.
Heb.3:13 "But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin."
Paul says 'exhort', you fight any and all exhortation. You say man is dead, because that is what you have imprinted on the pupil of your eyes. There is a murderer running loose,
---Nana on 4/20/11|
Nana, wicked people are not saved. Sorry not at any church that I know with the exception of those churches teaching salvation by works. In those churches salvation by grace through faith is not taught. They believe water baptism gives them a new life, and if they sin, they lose what they earned by getting baptized, and have to pay for their sins by saying some hail Mary's, in order to earn back their new life, or else they go to purgatory if they die and they can earn their way out of there.
Wicked people are not a part of the body of Christ. All who are of the body of Christ, have the imputed righteousness of Christ. They have been bought with a price.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11|
"So far we know that servant is not saved."
First of there is a matter of authorities which even you are recognizing here, one is Lord and the other a servant. Furthermore there is a treat of his portion being served "with the unbelievers." So he was a believer and of the household.
The crack about parables, what, do you think that Jesus was joking and telling stories or actually feeding life and death knowledge?
---Nana on 4/20/11|
Nana, again you used a parable in Matt. as you did with Luke 12:45, to correct me, you forget to give the whole parable and missed (v. 48). It is a parable Nana. Jesus uses parables to give examples. Both of the parables are talking about hypocrisy. (v. 48-51) the beginning says,
"But if that evil servant" says in his heart, My master is delaying his coming, and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with drunkards," So far we know that servant is not saved. If he was he would not resort to evil actions, he was a hypocrite. If you believe that servant was a Christian, then you don't know the difference between a genuine believer in Christ, an a unbeliever who is wicked.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11|
"No amount of bad merits will stop us from getting the rewards ..."
Mark_V. on 4/19/11
By the simple language of the Bible, it is to those you call 'believers' which Christ called "servants" that he said:
Matthew 24:45-46 "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming,... The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in asunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
If Crist is not enough for you, Paul opposes you also, 1 Cor. 6:9-10 and Gal 5:19-21.
To use one of your expressions, "There is no truth" in that you peddle, for "there is no light in you".
---Nana on 4/19/11|
Nana, the promises of God are written, maybe not on a piece of stone, but in our hearts. Maybe not in your heart, but I know they do in mine. His word never fails. All who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ through faith, have those promises that will not fate away. No amount of bad merits will stop us from getting the rewards for the good works we have done because they were done for the glory and honor of God. Rewards that could have come are lost when we do bad things, but the one's we have can never be lost, they stand on the word of God. I'm speaking of genuine believers, not the lost.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11|
Have you not read the dozens of warnings in scripture about backsliding and going astray? Salvation (and those awards) are for those who do not stray from the path toward the Kingdom of God.
I Corinthians 10:6-12
I Corinthians 15:1-2
I Timothy 1:18-19
II Peter 1:8-11
II Peter 3:17
When reading these verses, pay attention to the words "if", "put away", "slip", "neglect", "depart", "unbelief", "cast away", "turn away".
---Steveng on 4/19/11|
If one was righteous in the beginning then became unrighteous will that person go to heaven? It is written that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. And if one does not inherit the kingdom, so are the rewards one will lose.
Have you not read the Parable of the Sower? Matthew 13:18-23. Some christians received the seed that fell on stoney places and some among the thorns.
---Steveng on 4/19/11|
Romans 2:6-11 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile,
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God."
Neither rewards or this 'salvation' some of you keep talking about are written in stone.
---Nana on 4/19/11|
It's nice discussing this things with others like you. 2 Tim. 4:8 "A crown of righteousness" We receive the righteousness of Christ when we are saved, and the Holy Spirit works practical righteousness (sanctification) in a believer throughout his lifetime of struggle with sin, but only when the struggle is complete will the Christian receive Christ's righteousness perfected in him (glorification) when he enters heaven. That is why when a person speaks about righteousness, it depends at what stage we are speaking of. The end result is the Crown of righteousness.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/11|
MarkV-- Thanks for your answer.
I have always wondered about this...and also the idea of believers receiving "crowns" (which doesn't sound very exciting to me, either).
I have no expectation of losing my salvation. And my greatest reward will be just being with Jesus! Apparently, the other rewards are something we have no basis for understanding at this time. Receiving a "crown" may be just a good metaphor for something extra we may receive in the future.
---Donna66 on 4/8/11|
Donna66, there is many passages that speak of rewards but not all give what the rewards are. Most of the passages speak of the reward being salvation, or punishment for the wicked. The others about rewards that we have coming after death, but do not describe what they are. Only one passage I found that says,
"Knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance:" Col. 3:24 Here the Lord ensures the believer that he will receive a just, eternal compensation for his efforts (Rev. 20:12,13). But does not describe what the compensations are.
---Mark_V. on 4/8/11|
For the sake of better understanding, what KIND of rewards are stored up for the Christian? What form would these "rewards" take? Are there any scriptures that describe them? I can't get too interested in "rewards" when I have no concept what they are.
---Donna66 on 4/7/11|
Eloy, I wish you would make up your mind on who you are:
First you tell us that when a person is truly born of the Spirit or born again, you become sinless, as you say you are now, so, if a person becomes sinless, how can he become sinful? Sinless is no sin in you, so how can you become sinful if you are already sinless? You are either one or the other. Or are you are both. sinful when you disobey, and sinless when you walk in the Spirit?
Think about what you say. If you become sinful after been sinless, you also suggest you have to be born again to become sinless again. This could go on forever. If you become sinful you were never sinless.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11|
"But if the unfaithful servant says in his heart, My Lord delays his coming: and begins to sin. The Lord of that servant will come in a day when that one not looking for, and in an hour that one is not aware of. Here I come quickly, hold that fast which you have that no person take your crown. I had planted you a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then are you turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine to me? For though you wash you with natron, and take you much soap, your sin is marked before me. It is happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again, and the pig that was washed to her wallowing in the feces." Mt.24:48-50+ Rv.3:11+ Jr.2:21,22+ II Pt.2:22.
---Eloy on 4/2/11|
Those who say you can lose your salvation fail to understand the promises we have IN CHRIST.
Those under law could never attain salvation or even be obedient...no power or Christ in them at that time.
The fact that Christ is in you, and is the SURETY of the New Covenant IS the promise itself you cannot lose your eternal life.
Obedience is certainly important, becoming obedient unto death, as we are asked to keep this mind in us as was in Christ.
What obedience are you referring to Eloy?
---kathr4453 on 4/2/11|
Amen, Eloy. Probably most people here have backslidden into perdition. Keep after them to repent.
---John.usa on 4/1/11|
I agree with markv here. We don't have "predestined" rewards already waiting for us and then one by one, God takes them away each and every time we fail.
Funny, David said the Lord was His reward...Who could ask for anything more???
Aren't you going to lay them back at His feet anyway...YOU didn't really earn them by anything you did. Christ in you did it all....no longer I but Christ in me!! Hello!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/1/11|
Obedience is a choice, and once saved always saved is a satanic lie from the pit, for even as I right this there are souls backsliding into perdition. The manifested truth and recorded history is, not only can people freely choose to lose their salvation, they can also freely choose sin for their master instead of salvation, right on down into everlasting condemnation.
---Eloy on 4/1/11|
The rewards that genuine Christians have already are never lost. The bad works we commit in life, does make us lose rewards we might have had if we had made a better decision. When those in Christ are judged, the bad things we did will be burned. For there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. Since they never earned their salvation in the first place.
---Mark_V. on 4/1/11|
mima, doesn't the verse tell us to store up for ourselve treasures in heaven and not here on earth. Those treasures are the not rewards given by Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/11|
mima,absolutely a opportunity to witness missed in retrospect can if allowed to happen plant a undesired seed.My biggest issue is with family members who know what Iam,and still wont let me talk to them,a older sibling comes to mind,that I have been working on and praying for for over 30 years.
---tom2 on 3/31/11|
Matt 18: 24-34 Explains it all in plain comprehendable text but their are those who will attempt to intellectualize it and make it say something else.
You can be forgiven and fail in your duties and have forgiveness revoked.
Mt 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/31/11|
You don't lose salvation
1Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.
---michael_e on 3/31/11|
Yes, if a saved Christian chooses to backslide again into sin, just as the rebellious Israelites have done in the wilderness, then they can lose their awards and they can also lose their salvation. For the wages of sin is death and God's wrath, not everlasting life and God's blessing.
---Eloy on 3/31/11|
Absolutely!! All Christians are falling short in the rewards they can have. Personally example here, I am presented with a situation in which I've given an opportunity to witness. Then for whatever reason I failed to take advantage of that opportunity and consequently I have lost whatever reward(if the reward was no more than self-satisfaction) I could have obtained. Those who have an evangelistic spirit, an evangelistic calling, will understand what I'm talking about.
---mima on 3/31/11|
Joseph, anything given to humans can be squandered, misused or lost.
---John.usa on 3/31/11|