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Why Are Church Folks Fake

Why is everybody in church so fake? Why do most people act just like everybody else? After almost 15 years in the church (and yes I made a profession of faith) I've left and am not looking back!

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Sorry, Mark but you have too many opinions on what God really meant to say.

Why not just read it for what the text says?

Im not angry at all, by the way. Its hard to feel anger towards someone that you pity.
---CraigA on 4/7/11


**Why is everybody in church so fake?

They attempt to make a religion out of something rather than what is found in the Bible.

Warwick -vegetarianism is not a religious requirement for Adventists but a health issue.

They made a religion out of what they eat or do not eat and then use it to judge the spirituality of others.
---leonia on 4/7/11


Fake? Because they're sick in the head. Like this fellow below who takes comple excerpts from books (McArthur Study Bible comment in this case) and writes it here as if they were his toughts.
---Nana on 4/7/11


John, having attended churches in many countries I know that no country has exclusive ownership owns flakey or unbelieving churches. On one of my visits to London I went a church and they were advertizing occult meetings. Locally I was invited to speak in a famous church where the attendees turned out to mostly be humanists. The churches councillor was an atheist and couldn't understand what was wrong with that. I preached at another church here where one of the ministers jumped up shouting 'rubbish' when I suggested that the Bible was historical reality. Despite being a 'Christian' minister he didn't know if he believed Jesus rose from the dead.

So you think you got 'em all? No way, can we send you a few hundred?
---Warwick on 4/7/11


Craig part 2:
"For the whole world" This is a generic term, refering not to every single individual, but to mankind in general. Christ actually paid the penalty only for those who would repent and believe. A number of passages indicate that Christ died for the world (John 1:29, 3:16, 6:51, 1 Tim. 2:6, Heb. 2:9). Most of the world will be eternally condemned to hell to pay for their own sins, so they could not have been paid for by Christ. The passages which speak of Christ's dying for the whole world must be understood to refer to mankind in general as in (Titus 2:3,4). World indicates (the sphere), the beings toward whom God seeks reconcilliation and has provided propitiation.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11




I am mad at anyone who rapes/abuses any child - priest, cop, teacher, homeless person, etc. but it is worse when the abuser is a trusted person of faith. I hold them to a higher standard than others. Is God just to allow such things to happen?
---cjmybad on 4/7/11


Craig, you too should stop been angry. What God says in Scripture is always true. Heb. 2:9 "Glory and honor" refers the obedience of Christ unto death. God also has highly exalted Him (Phil. 2:8,9). By His redemptive work, Christ has fulfilled all that is required as The supreme representative of mankind." By His incarnation, substitutionary sacrafice, and victory over sin and death (Rom. 6:23: 1John 4:10), He has fulfilled man's original purpose. Everyone who believes, that is. The death of Christ can only be applied in its efficacy to those who come to God repentantly in faith, asking for forgiveness of sins.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11


cjmybad, It is time to stop being "mad" at just those who say they are Christians. How about the school and gym teachers, Priest, police officers and a whole lot more? Be angry at the sin. Expose it as being wrong also.
---Elder on 4/7/11


Oh so NOW God means EXACTLY what he says huh, Mark?

Heb 2:9 that he by the grace of God should taste death for "every man"

1 John 2:2 not only for
ours but also for the sins of the "whole world"

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to "all men"

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present "every man" perfect in Christ Jesus:

Why the double standard for these verses?

Which shows wisdom?

1-changing the word of God because of our faulty interpretation?

2-changing our faulty interpretation because of the word of God?
---CraigA on 4/7/11


\\God should be disappointed at the fakes and bad Christians out there \\

You can't disappoint God because you can't surprise Him.

And who are YOU to tell God what He should and should not do?

Do you think that God was surprised by what Judas did?
---Cluny on 4/7/11




God should be disappointed at the fakes and bad Christians out there - how about the person who raped the boy at Camp Good News? And the counselor who abused Scott Brown at the same camp 20 years ago? Kids looked up to them for spiritual guidance and trusted them! 1 interview said 'he walked with the Lord' about the abuser. What is she talking about! I'm just so mad about the whole thing!
---cjmybad on 4/7/11


God is not disappointed at anything happening. He already knew it would happen. Nothing surprises Him, He is all knowing, and never learns anything.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11

Thanks for the input!

I believe that GOD just told me -- through your blog reply -- that I should just let this issue REST. GOD doesn't want me to spend any more time "Thinking" or "Worrying" about this.

Praise GOD for the others here on ChristiaNet!

We may not always "agree", but we can sure help one another "see" things more clearly.
---Sag on 4/7/11


Sag, God is not disappointed at anything happening. He already knew it would happen. Nothing surprises Him, He is all knowing, and never learns anything.

"He worketh "all things" after the counsel of His own will" Eph. 1:11.

If something occur without His knowledge, that which occur would have more power then God. And when God's word says "all things" it would be a lie, which is not possible.
Why doesn't everyone just call it what it is? It's sin in the world in every aspect of life. Even from within the Church. The fact is that when the "Antichrist" or "Antichrists" is mentioned in 1st and 2nd John, almost all references come from within the Church.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11


James L:

One thing that I've noticed is that many popular TV shows, movies, dramas, criminal groups, etc. seem to be "Teaching" what the church does NOT.

I'm not trying to criticize any churches. But I often wonder if GOD is disappointed in their being "Silent" on modern problems. Meanwhile, folks are learning their values from sources like:

Friends
Desperate Housewives
Soap Operas
Law & Order
Cartoons
Video Games
Gangs
Internet Groups
---Sag on 4/7/11


Warwick, This phenomenon is difficult to explain to You/Alan(UK).

It does not exist in your countries. Your Protestant churches have been evolving normally/they hold the same reverence, awe, and piety of the older/traditional churches. Here the Protestants(Lutherans/excepted) have so diminish faith/reduced it to American/Fastfood. They have the 1 minute (Get out of Hell ticket) sinners Prayer. After THEY approve of Jesus (AKA: Make a decision for Jesus). They're "SAVED BY GRACE!!! Who cares about the bible/that guy call Jesus". Absolute/WILLFUL/complete biblical ignorance. They simply dont care! Devoid of G-d, they must find worldly replacements. Potluck replaces The Lord supper. Good deeds replaces Spiritualfruits/Holiness.
---John on 4/7/11


Saq,
I've seen it in all kinds of contexts.

a Sunday School class I attended - the lesson was about being conformed to the image of Christ, and the best anyone could come up with is "don't cuss and pay your tithes"

another was about how to live a God-honoring life, and the "teacher" goes on a 15 minute rant about how the guys collecting the offering are dishonoring God by wearing shorts.

It's almost sickening sometimes.
---James_L on 4/6/11


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John, I am having trouble understanding your point.

What do you mean by "You see this Reverence alive in the Traditonal churches only." That is what do you mean by "Traditional churches."

Secondly are you saying this lack of reverance is only an American phenomenon?
---Warwick on 4/6/11


\\(BTW. This phenomenon did occur in the UK with the Church of England and so Wesley started The Methodists against the Bourgeois of the UK)
\\

Wrong, again, John.

The Wesleys--both John and Charles--went to their graves loyal priests of the Church of England and were very upset when the Methodists in UK and what later became the USA broke away.

And the Wesleys were from the bourgeoisie of British society.

\\Jesus was an American who fought against those Legalistic Jews for Ole Glory. He died in the American "Calvary."
---John on 4/6/11\\

I assume this is your idea of a joke, John.
---Cluny on 4/6/11


Warwick-- I doubt if John has ever spent much time at all outside the United States-- other than maybe a foreign vacation or 2 week mission trip somewhere. Otherwise, I don't believe he would say this is "strictly" an American phenomenon. However, he loves hyperbole on any subject.
---Donna66 on 4/6/11


There are two problems, and I have no idea which of the two you are facing

One is that the people there are not willing to listen, the other is that you (or whoever is saying it) is too judgemental

---James on 4/6/11

1 Corinthians 6:18 -- "Flee Sexual Immorality . . ."

My guess is that some folks were "convicted" by my repeating what the Bible says.

The Bible is GOD's word and IT is what does the judging. Not me or anyone else.
---Sag on 4/6/11


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Warwick, this is strictly an American Phenomenon.

It has many facets as to why it became what it is today.

A shallow facade of church. Merely Bourgeois Country Clubs. (BTW. This phenomenon did occur in the UK with the Church of England and so Wesley started The Methodists against the Bourgeois of the UK)

One part is the American Culture itself. That is the believe that Christianity and patriotism are intertwined. Americans believe edge of the world lies at its borders.

Therefore we get this non biblical attitude I often post.

The flux of modern US "Churches"
is...

Jesus was an American who fought against those Legalistic Jews for Ole Glory. He died in the American "Calvary."
---John on 4/6/11


Sag: 'Yet, I know -- from experienc e-- that that is a TABOO subject to discuss at' that you can't talk about it - comment on 1 Cor 6:18.

There are two problems, and I have no idea which of the two you are facing

One is that the people there are not willing to listen, the other is that you (or whoever is saying it) is too judgemental
---James on 4/6/11


Yeah I agree with the first statement, many churchs have become like the christian prom. Where the real issues are not discussed because people are afraid of offending others and because people want the pastor to make them feel good about suffering for the Lord by waking up early on Sunday. I disagree with the action, go find a church and a community of believers to talk with and you will find that you are not alone in truly seeking God. The Church (big C) is made up of people, and all people are screwed up, but the Church is the bride of christ, and that is important so don't turn your back on it.
---Scott on 4/6/11


MarkV, I will say this only one last time to you, please listen to this: MarkV, when you are ready to receive my words then by all means ask of me, but until then do not ask of me: for I am bot here to put my pearls before those not interested, but I am here to redeem the time and to share the gospel with those whom are truly interested in the truth.
---Eloy on 4/6/11


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MarkV, Ask my brother Righteous Job why he believed the lie that God became an adversary against him? It is the same reason. When we serve God, God does not always protect us but will allow evil and the furnace of affliction into out lives not to kill us, but to test our faith in him. My righteous brother Job also said to God, "My days not few? Cease, let me alone, that I may take comfort a little before I go, I shall not return, to the land of darkness and the shadow of death." But afterward he said to God, "I have heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now mine eye sees you. Therefore despise I, and abase in dust and ashes."
---Eloy on 4/6/11


Speak up in a bible study or Sunday School, you might as well be explaining astro-physics to preschoolers.
---James_L on 4/5/11

LOL! I like the way you said that.

I've encountered much the same. It often seems like people don't want to hear the TRUTH or what the Bible clearly says is the answer.

Example: There are many problems that accompany young girl's having kids out-of-wedlock. The Bible's Pro-Active solution to that? 1 Corinthians 6:18. Yet, I know -- from experience -- that that is a TABOO subject to discuss at: Church Sunday School, Bible Study, Potluck Dinners, etc. Not sure why!
---Sag on 4/6/11


Eloy, I asked you the questions because you claim to be a preacher or pastor who wants to open a church. And with your answers how can you teach the Word of God correctly? You say you believed a lie after you were born again. And you told God to go away and He did. How is that possible if you were born of the Spirit? If Jesus said, He will never leave you nor forsake you, how can you possibly remove yourself from Him? Also, you have stated that been born again you become sinless, how is it you lost your first born again if you committed sin the first time? That means that if you sin again, you have to be born again, again? Also, Christ can only die for you once for all time. So many questions to your theology. How can you teach the Truth?
---Mark_V. on 4/6/11


John, having travelled extensively around the world I cannot agree with you. In what you call the traditional churches I have often seen great reverence for buildings coupled with a stiff, formal liturgy, focussing upon ceremony which quenches the fire of the Holy Spirit.

Outside the traditional (maybe better Orthodox) churches I have indeed visited churches which could be fairly described as light-weight or even flakey.

However I have also attended or preached at many churches of a range of denominations where there was life, a vibrant New Testament Christianity, where there was great reverence for Jesus our Saviour, as opposed to reverence for buildings, the priesthood, and human tradition.
---Warwick on 4/6/11


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\\Genarlly a cesspool of ignorance. With Elders who have no clue of scripture.\\
---John on 4/4/11

I would havd to agree with this. Not every person in every church, but as a whole. I have been in numerous churches where the pastor has said something like:

[I know I might get in trouble with some of you "scholars"]

[I know some of you spend your every waking moment in the scriptures, and that's ok if it's you.]



There seems to be a general disdain for anyone who devotes their time to studying. Speak up in a bible study or Sunday School, you might as well be explaining astro-physics to preschoolers.
---James_L on 4/5/11


Donna66, I don't think anyone should be a hyprocite, but especially not someone you trust like a fellow Christian. They looked at us in the eyes and deliberatly lied to us, almost completely ruining our lives. The next minute they had bowed heads and arms raised to the Lord, probably asking for forgiveness. But Eloy is right, they needed repentance to the people they hurt first. And it's more people than just us that they hurt.
---cjmybad on 4/5/11


John, you seem to imply that all "post Lutheran" churches...
-Warwick
(I have 125words to explain/not enough)
Since Luther, there has been a Degradation of The Institution of Church. Some good/some bad. Calvin removed the stain glass. When the church landed in America it continued to degrade. Now meeting in office buildings.

This occured also with the Lords Supper(Eucharist). It was the flesh and blood of Christ, or the spirit of Christ within the cracker/wine. Now Baptist only considers it symbolic and often HE is not even invited. Now Potluckers have lost all connection/fear of G-d. (STOP: Fundis. Fear does not mean afraid of, but Reference for G-d). You see this Reverence alive in the Traditonal churches only.
---John on 4/5/11


MarkV, When I was first born-again, the Adversary came strongly against me like to my brother Job, then he lied to me and said, "See, God does not love you, or he would not have allowed all this evil to happen to you." And I believed the lie from Satan, so I told my Lord to get out of my life because life was hard enough and I do not need it to be made worse and he was not making it any easier. And so Jesus left my life, and I took a nosedive into the world thinking that God did not really care about me, others maybe, but not me. After 8 years, I came to be upon my deathbead and the Holy Spirit said that I need to ask Jesus back into my heart and life again. And so I did, and now I am saved and born-again all over again. Praise Jesus!
---Eloy on 4/5/11


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cjmybad -- I know, I've dealt with this frustration, too. Christians fail like all human beings. We have to forgive them as Christ does.

But what you are saying is, it's OK to be a "hypocrite" if you haven't set your standards very high to begin with.
---Donna66 on 4/5/11


Warwick, I agree with your answers very much. First of all we should never condemn the gathering of Christians, because, in truth, they are the Church of Christ. Second, we know there is a lot of fakes in Church. Sometimes they take control of the church and the church goes bad. But the genuine Christians know the Truth and will either leave the church, or stay and try to change it. So long as there is sin in the world, the church will always struggle to stay in the truth. Even genuine believers sin, so the struggles are always there. What is needed from believers is more passion for Christ so they can learn through the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/11


Laura: Your understanding with people in Church is wrong somewhere, somehow. You are in essence blaming God. Read Numbers 11. You will find that Moses was angry with a lot of people and spoke bad against them & therefore God also. Moses was punished for it. I pray you will find out where you are wrong & take correction.
---Adetunji on 4/5/11


John, you seem to imply that all "post Lutheran" churches, the leaders and the people, are fakes. Is this what you claim?
---Warwick on 4/5/11


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Eloy, I like what you said in your last post, in fact I feel the same way as you described, but if you believe this to be true, and it seems you do, how could you be born again two times? You said you were. What happen to the first born again? If you say you are without sin because you are born again, what happen to you the first time if you were without sin then? What you say sometimes makes a lot of sense but then you give proof otherwise. But you last post is very true, Jesus should be in every area of your life if you are born of God.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/11


I think Eloy and [the other] John are the only ones around here who aren't fakes. Go for it, guys.
---John.usa on 4/4/11


CHURCH FOLKS ARE FAKE, BECAUSE THEIR CHURCHES ARE FAKE!

This applies exclusively to the New Protestant (Post Lutheran)churches.

Genarlly a cesspool of ignorance. With Elders who have no clue of scripture.

I have taught at some of these and recieve these "Enlighted" quesions from THEIR ELDERS!

1)Did this occur before Abraham became President?

2) Well I would say Martin Luther did alot for the Black people!

3) Is G-d in thunder?

4) Was Jesus a Jew?

on and on....

Now can you fathom what their Lay people know???

And so the only way they can possibly serve G-d is making Potatoe Salad.

WHY???

Because they know NO G-d.
---John on 4/4/11


Donna66, I know there are fakes at work and outside of church, but I don't hold them up to the same standards as a fellow christian who should be following what they practice in church. That's the hypocracy that most people hate including the poster and me. If they say it in church and pretend to be pious and holy then turn around and are deliberatly un-Christ like and downright mean. It hurts so much more than just a John Q off the street that does not profess to be an example of Christ's life or love.
---cjmybad on 4/4/11


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Laura, your answer is found in Genesis 6:5

And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
---larry on 4/4/11


Jasheradan, well said. Another reason that they are unchristianed is because they do not know what "repent" means, and that it is prerequisite or required in order to become genuinely born-again.
---Eloy on 4/4/11


SOME church folks are fake because they were never repentant. They simply wanted the benefits of believing in Jesus Christ (an escape from hell) and not the change that comes by the Holy Spirit.

You will know them by their fruit.

If a person doesnt SHOW the love of God, it evidence that they dont know him, no matter what they claim.
---Jasheradan on 4/3/11


Laura, I actually think your statement is very offensive, and obviously incorrect, as you do not know "everybody" do you.

I think it possible that you were not prepared to submit to Biblical teaching and left so that you can live your own brand of 'Christianity.'

You may think my comments to be offensive. However considering the unfair, incorrect,defamitory comments you have made, I think mine to be fair.
---Warwick on 4/4/11


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Until Jesus gets in the inside of the person's heart they will remain they will remain at best just a nice person and at worst a beast. You see many people have "head knowledge" or what they call "religion", but they have no Jesus. What that nonJesus person needs is Jesus, they already have religion but that proves to fall short, they need God's glory which is Christ Jesus the Lord. Jesus on the inside, Jesus on the outside, and Jesus all over them, that will change them and that is what each soul needs, until then, according to Christ they are none of his. For the church-goer and religious person without Christ is just as equally lost as the nonchurch-goer and nonreligious person without Christ.
---Eloy on 4/3/11


Until Jesus gets in the inside of the person's heart they will remain at best just a nice person and at worst a beast. You see many people have "head knowledge" or what they call "religion", but they have no Jesus. What that nonJesus person needs is Jesus, they already have religion but that proves to fall short, they need God's glory which is Christ Jesus the Lord. Jesus on the inside, Jesus on the outside, and Jesus all over them, that will change them and that is what each soul needs, until then, according to Christ they are none of his. For the church-goer and religious person without Christ is just as equally lost as the nonchurch-goer and nonreligious person without Christ.
---Eloy on 4/3/11


\\Discernment tells us that there are many NonChristians and unsaved souls who attend churches.\\

And one of these people said you should invoke his name in prayer to be saved.
---Cluny on 4/3/11


cjmybad-- What? No hypocrites OUTSIDE the church? No "fakes" on the job or in the neighborhood? In case you hadn't noticed, it's a human tendency for people to want to look better than they are.
Christians usually have set higher standards of behavior...are you surprised that they fail?

What was your
"profession of faith"...faith in whom? or in what? A church? a faith? a doctrine? God? Jesus? And what did you mean by that profession?
Most Christians fall far short of God's standards...but that's not His fault!

Perhaps there are people right now, who think they know all about YOU... because of the behavior of your kids.
---Donna66 on 4/3/11


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The hyprocrates at church would be singing in the choir like angels one minute then stabbing people in the back the next!
---cjmybad on 4/2/11

I have seen a lot of this too.

Some Christians "Gossip"
and "Backbite" without any sorrow or remorse -- ever -- for their clearly un-Biblical behavior, and/or, speech.

All we can do is "Forgive" them. God will give them their rewards for their poor conduct.
---Sag on 4/3/11


MATTHEW 13,28 But he said to them. Do you want us then to gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let them grow together until the harvest.and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,FIRST GATHER TOGETHER THE TARES AND BIND THEM INTO BUNDLES TO BURN THEM,but the wheat into my barn.

( Where is God bundling the tares? Is it in side the churches?)

1 PETER 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of GOD, and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of GOD.
---RICHARDC on 4/3/11


Moderator- are you really so scared that your sheep will flee the flock if you post one of my replys? If they find out that there are people like us that became disbelievers after bad or fake christians hurt them? Why don't you use it as a warning to all christians that their actions not just what they believe or show God affects real people.
---cjmybad on 4/3/11


Laura you need to change your focus at church. You are responsible for yourself and no one else,at the end of the day. We should already be on fire for the Lord when we get to church. Get with the singing and praising and glorifying Jesus and you won't have time to see or deal with the fakes. Everyone that goes to church is not saved. Some people are church goers. That does not make them a christian anymore than sleeping in a doghouse, make you a dog. Get your heart right,Laura. Going to church is not about man, its about God and your relationhip with HIM! My concerns are about you not the fakes at your church.Let God handle them. Go back to church,please.
---Robyn on 4/3/11


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to some degree are not we all fake?

in all actuality, if you are in christ (jesus), you are in church 24/7. if you want a dose of reality, work at a homeless shelter, give some of your nice clothes away that are not permanently stained or ripped, when you go shopping, buy a new outfit for a needy person also.

stop focusing on the "fakeness" of others, and examine yourself to see if there is any Truth.

we are eventually supposed to fall apart. if any device or organization of man succeeds, there is no need for a saviour.
---aka on 4/2/11


Cjmybad, I think you are making an assumption in believing all those who say they are Christians are Christian. Just as Eloy says.

Conversely I attend a small church where most of the people are involved in ministry in some way or another. Those who are not committed Christians do not last.

If you attend, or have attended, a church with many fakes, find a small church where all God's word is taught as truth and see the difference. When the numbers are small the fakes have nowhere to hide.

I attend a church for what I can put into the body, not what I can get out of it. Isn't that what we should be there for, to serve?
---Warwick on 4/2/11


There are a lot of us like you that have had enough of the fake christians and have left. And I've never been happier or more in control of my life! The hyprocrates at church would be singing in the choir like angels one minute then stabbing people in the back the next! Don't worry I've been forgiven - that's how they can gossip, lie and do whatever they wanted. Be stong within yourself and stand tall! There's a lot of us out here just like you.
---cjmybad on 4/2/11


If you give yourself to the Jesus who died for you, He expects you to love every person as yourself. He went to religious situations where people were fake, and He was there to love them and reach to them, not to just judge and dump them. He has compassion for wrong people, with hope for "all" > "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28) So, if we do not love hypocrites like Jesus did, we are fake. "He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." (Hebrews 5:2)
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/2/11


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Discernment tells us that there are many NonChristians and unsaved souls who attend churches. For no one should assume that because a place is Christian, that all who are in the place are also Christian. There are tares among the wheat, just as there are weeds in a garden. Being in a Christian place does not make one a Christian, just as standing in a garage does not make one a car: for there are two races of people in this world, Christians and NonChristians, those born once and those born-again.
---Eloy on 4/2/11


Laura, why would you complain about the "fake christians" in church and then run to the fake world for comfort? Leaving church is doing just that.
Why don't you stand up and voice your concern? Not all churches are the same.
The world is much faker than any church you will ever attend. The world has established many of its own "churches."
---Elder on 4/2/11


Nothing more evil than a potluck, especially when no one invites you to one.
---John.usa on 4/1/11


The great delusion mentioned in scripture concerning the end days is when christians think they are christians, but are not. Denominational "churches" has divided christianity up into their own little cults each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. If the house is divided then it will fall. These denominational christians make other people think that they must join a church. Hogwash. That's not what the bible teaches. The true church of God doesn't have buildings, nor is it a non-profit organization. What belongs to Ceasar belongs to him and that's who denominational churches belong - the government.
---Steveng on 4/1/11


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Because they're NOT Christians! but Phoney Carnal Beourgoise Facades.

Saved by the 1 minutes get out of hell sinners prayer ticket. Then eat the fatted pig of Potluck and have deep spiritual fellowship like...MMMMM! Emma that's real good Pie! Hey Bob did you get the house yet?...

They must first Approve of Jesus(AKA:Make A Decision for Jesus), then they sell him like bad tasting medicine to the susceptible.

They're nothing more than Social Clubs that teach "The traditions of men as Doctrines of G-d" Absolutely ignorant of scripture. "We're saved by grace, who cares!"

To them Jesus was some guy who fought for Ole Glory against those legalistic Jews and died in the Cavalry.

NO G-D THERE!
---John on 4/1/11


the best way to be discouraged in faith is to focus our eyes on people..people will often fail us..because we are all imperfect..but when we focus our eyes on the author of our faith-we will surely not be discouraged and we will surely finished the race
---mj on 4/1/11


laura, if you go to heaven, you will be there with the same ones who are in church. I do realize some people are fake but it is not only in church, but everywhere. That is why you see old ladies with dyed black hair. Young girls with long straight hair, fake boobs, short straight dresses. Where is the individuality anymore. Churches will always have some who are fake. that doesn't mean everyone is fake. You said it yourself "I've left and am not looking back". maybe you just need an excuse not to be in church. Who put you in judgement of everyone calling all fake?
---shira3877 on 4/1/11


I have attended churches where there were large numbers of fakes. Those churches failed to grow spiritually, and lost members because of it. I now attend a church where most of the people I know are real and genuine. The pastor is real and genuine as well.

Pray about where the Lord would have you use your gifts and talents to serve Him and the Body of Christ. Don't chuck it all because of a few bad apples.
---Trish on 4/1/11


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First you must realize that just because humans have disappointed you in their Christian walk, that's no reason to blame God & turn your back on Him. Is it possible that you never really knew God in the first place & just looking for a reason to stop pretending to be a Christian? God is perfect & never falls short. It's humans that can hurt & disappoint one another. Instead of turning from God you should be turning to Him. Take your eyes off people & look to God for your encouragement & strength. If you do that with a broken, sincere heart, you'll notice a big difference in how you view others around you.
---Reba on 4/1/11


Laura...Your post is disturbing because it says that somehow you have arrived at a point in your life where you cannot see any god in your life or others. You actually sound depressed. If you knew everybody in the church where you were attending, you would know that they were not all fake. Don't condemn millions of believers because of a few.
---KarenD on 4/1/11


In today's world, things are organized, and run, as "Business Entities": The Global Economy, Individual Countries, States/Provinces/Territories, Municipalities, Corporations, Human Beings

I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the USA, many Churches and Ministries are organized as Non-Profit Corporations.

In many churches, the job of the CEO/Pastor/Leader is to keep their Customers/Members happy so that they will contribute more $$$ to the [church] business.

Nobody likes to feel "Left Out" and a lot of people just "Pretend" that they're happy in order to "Blend In".

I've long wondered WHY churches seem to be more "Social Clubs" than REAL Churches.
---Sag on 4/1/11


It is like the Bible says in the last days (which we are in) many will turn from the truth and give heed to doctrines of demons and teachings to satisfy their itching ears. It also talks about the tares (false "Christians") in the wheat (true Christians). This is what you see. Just because someone says they are a "Christian" does NOT mean they are. This is why Jesus said we will know them by their fruit. We must learn to judge the fruit to see if the person is a tare or a wheat.
---Leslie on 4/1/11


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First off, you don't know everybody in the Church.

Second, even the people you think you know, you really don't know what's going on in their hearts. You just think you do. As Screwtape said, the lady with the absurd hat could well be a powerful prayer warrior, but keep focussed on the absurd hat, and don't look beyond it.

No matter how full it is of fakes, there is always room for one more, and it's obvious you're looking back, so come on back.
---Cluny on 4/1/11


In what way are they fake?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/1/11


Whoa.... Are you acting like everyone else and being fake?
If the activity disturbs you then go back and voice the right way to live.
---Elder on 4/1/11


--Laura when I read a post like yours I realized that someone else has had their eyes opened. It is very sad but true that the state of the churches today is very stagnant and restraining to a person who is actually seeking a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Recently I was in a Sunday school class(big church, big building program, very Baptist, and in the course of the hour not once was the name of Lord Jesus Christ mention. I have not attended, and will not attend that particular Sunday school class again.
---mima on 4/1/11


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Laura, what kind of a church do you go to? What are they doing that you call them fake? Please give us more detail. There are alot of carnal christians in churches today. I just heard Paul Washer say that most worship in churches is a celebration of the flesh. What a rude awakening that was to hear, but it's true. Don't let other's "fakeness" and whatever it is they're doing deter you from a relationship with the Lord Jesus, Father God and Holy Spirit, they have nothing to do with people being fake.
---Donna5535 on 4/1/11


Not everyone is fake, there are a few rare gems in the heap. however a lot of people want to follow other peolpe to be in the "in crowd" so they donot know where to go .I left the mainstream church to.
---Candice on 4/1/11


Laura, I agree there are many fake people in most so-called churches, but there are some, (but very few) churches that are genuine and the people are genuine.

One promlem is people have been deceived into believing the "CHURCH" is the building they go to on Sunday Mornings.

The "CHURCH" is not a building, but is the "BODY OF CHRIST" only consists of those who have a TRUE, TRUSTING, COMMITED, INTIMATE, and PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with CHRIST.

What you see in most churches is nothing but a big show.
---Rob on 4/1/11


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