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How To Sin A Little

Many bible scholars say that 1 John 3:9 actually means "cannot habitually practice sin" rather than "cannot sin" Someone please tell me how anything that is inherently born of God could possibly sin even a little bit?

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jerry6593:
Gal 2:17 also needs to be read with the verses after it.
verse 18 "For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor".
verse 21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain"

1John 1 & 2 What "sin" is it talking about? Transgression of the law (1John3:4)? Or is it unbelief (John 16:9).

---Haz27 on 4/8/11


P.C._Leveare, Bible scholars who dilute the word of God to try to escape judgment and share their dilutions and lies with others are condemned. Do not listen to them and do not purchase their unholy bibles. Stay with the truth, and be assured that God always keeps his word, and do not deviate from it by hearkening to unsaved sinners.
---Eloy on 4/8/11


Sinners may say God is working on them, when in truth he is nowhere at all in their sinful life, for they have chosen to serve sin rather than serve him.
---Eloy on 4/8/11


Haz27, I believe Christians still sin, but if the word sinner bothers you, let's not use it. We are SAINTS, forgiven Saints. My sin is FORGIVEN past present and future. Maybe because I understand that, The Lord could work with my growth. You still want to be laying the foundation as spoken in Hebrews 6, yet we are called to GROW.

Many people fail to grow, because they are preoccupied with sin and failure. It's teh GETTING UP that counts!
---kathr4453 on 4/8/11


kathr,
Christians will be at individually different stages of their growth. To answer your question, yes, I have grown. Christ, our pastor and shepherd sees to that.

Regarding the topic 'sin' you call it an obsession but you have seen the scriptures clearly stating those born of God cannot sin, they are set free from sin, they are righteous and not sinners.
As I said before my concern is the condemnation and confusion that arises from traditional teachings that say Christians are still sinners.
Lets use His word as He wrote it.
---Haz27 on 4/8/11




Woooo the fall of some people here is gonna be naaaasty!
---CraigA on 4/8/11


haz27, What I have personally found, after I became a Christian, (being one raised under the strictest law, no mercy, that if you did anything wrong, God would send lightening and strike you dead...before I Received Jesus Christ) Now AFTER I have received Jesus Christ I found God was more concerned with strengthening the inner man in me. Ephesians 3:14-21.
The first thing the Lord spoke to me was John 15, and the second thing He said to me was Ephesians 3:14-21.

I suppose if I'm growing in strength, bearing fruit, sin just gets in the way of that anyway. But God was more concerned with showing me His everlasting LOVE, and working in me a will to want to live and now I want to Live my whole life for His Glory.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/11


Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

1Jn 2:1-4 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---jerry6593 on 4/8/11


Eloy, I always incur sin. God is still working on me every day. I have not arrived. But I look forward to the day of the Lord when he will present me blameless with a new body. Who am I to ask you any questions? You have arrived twice sinless, I have not even arrived once. You were bought and paid with a prize twice, I was only once. So I better stop asking you questions.
---Mark_V. on 4/8/11


Haz27.

So to conclude here. I live on the resurrection side of Romans 6..and found as I surrendered myself alive from the dead, Romans 12:1-2, God wanted me to know and understand His will. I found after Eph 3:14-21, that to fulfill being strengthened by MIGHT Aka His Power, that it was His Resurrection Power He was talking about. He also taught me that comes in one way only. Philippians 3...as I stated before...to Know Him and the Power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, etc....Phil 3 is the HOW TO of Eph 3:14-21.

But I ask you, now that you know your standing In Christ, have you GROWN? Have you moved on and up?

That's what I see lacking in your obsession with sin/vs sinlessness.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/11




\\MarkV, until you are ready, don't ask of me, for in so doing you incur sin.\\

If you actually think that about yourself, Eloy, you're in deeper spiritual delusion than I realized.
---Cluny on 4/8/11


Eloy:

You said: MarkV, until you are ready, don't ask of me, for in so doing you incur sin.

You can you say that? Are you now defining new sins for us that the Bible never mentions? Is this not creating new man-made commandments?
---StrongAxe on 4/8/11


MarkV, until you are ready, don't ask of me, for in so doing you incur sin.
---Eloy on 4/7/11


this verse in the greek says "anyone that has bee begotten of God sin not practice, because seed in him abides, and he is not able to sin because of God he is begotten". Our love for God and conviction of sin prevent those truly "born of God" from continuing in it. " but if we do sin we have an advocate with the father Jesus Christ the righteous." Also read James 1:13-15
---will on 4/7/11


Mark_V:
You previously had correctly said that 1John3:9 is referring to our inner man cannot sin.

That is what I refer to.
Our old man was crucified with Christ Rom 6:6
If Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin Rom8:10
It is no longer I that lives but Christ lives in me Gal 2:20
Henceforth we regard no man according to the flesh 2Cor 5:16

I see Christ in you, Kathr, Duanne, Donna66 and many others here.

You all believe on Jesus hence you are not in sin of unbelief John16:9

You all are NOT under the law of sin and death, hence you do not sin as transgressors of the law that requires death penalty 1John3:4

But God loves you all and chastises you for your good.
---Haz27 on 4/7/11


Haz27,
Thanks but it is ok. Perhaps we get another chance to continue the discussion.
Patience is a rewarding virtue and I am just glad you at least repplied.
---Nana on 4/7/11


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kathr:
Your correct, Jesus paid for ALL our sins. No partial payments. Nothing we do pays for our sin. I don't know why you suggest I differ here.

You said "wages of sin is DEATH,..." claiming this shows we are set free from penalty but not of sin. I disagree.

Scriptures say we are:
FREE from sin Rom 6:7,18.
CANNOT sin 1John3:6-9
HOW shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Rom6:2

But those who do sin are:
Servants of sin John 8:34
Of the devil 1John3:8

You asked whats the issue over the use of words 'wrong' or 'sin'. Read the scriptures above and consider the condemnation and confusion it causes if we say Christians still sin. Lets use His word as He wrote it.
---Haz27 on 4/7/11


Nana you said:
Haz27,
It was jerry6593 on 4/5/11 who said "If being under..."
---Nana on 4/5/11

Sorry about that. I got confused who I was posting to back then.
---Haz27 on 4/7/11


Re examples you gave adultery, coveteousness, etc Christians should not do such things. In our relationship with
God we find He chastises those He loves if we do wrong.
But those under law of sin and death get death penalty.
---Haz27 on 4/7/11

So Haz27 what you are saying now is we as Christians can do wrong.

Is Wrong another word for SIN? It is to me. So a Christian can SIN, AKA doing wrong...correct.

So, What is the issue here?

Those still under the law of sin and death are there because they have not come to Christ for the forgiveness of sin.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/11


Eloy, I am always ready to receive the Truth, each and every day I receive more truth as I study. I questioned your truth, because it does not reconcile with the Word of God.
How can you become sinless when you are born again, when you said you were born again before, and became sinful and had to be reborn again? If you became something, how can you be otherwise? Also you have not forgiven your wife, how do you expect to be forgiven yourself?
What about God's love?
"We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love His brother abides in death" Scripture declares that he who is characterized by hate has never experienced the new birth.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11


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Did you have any scriptures for your claim we are only set free from the PENALTY of sin?

---Haz27 on 4/7/11

Yes, The wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

Christ took OUR penalty, He took our Judgment, He bore our sin in His own body, died on a cross for OUR SIN, and was raised again FOR our Justification.

Jesus Paid it all, all to Him I owe, sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow!

So Haz27, are you suggesting Jesus only paid a partial penalty? What more does Jesus need to do? Or are you suggesting your obedience paid the penalty of sin?
---kathr4453 on 4/7/11


God we find He chastises those He loves if we do wrong.
But those under law of sin and death get death penalty.
---Haz27 on 4/7/11
There is no free pass to heaven. 1Cor.6:9_10.

1 Cor 6:20: :For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

2Tim.4:14 "Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:"
What, no free pass for the coppersmith?
---Nana on 4/7/11


Haz, I can tell by the way you answer, you are a great guy and I respect you for standing for what you believe. You don't want anyone to identify you with the sinners because you are a saint now, saved by the grace of God. That is understandable.
But if you become sinless after rebirth, you can never sin again. And as we know "all sin and come short of the glory of God." We all miss the target of God. Even the saved. We have been set free from the slavery of sin. 1 Cor. 7:21, Gal. 4:7, Romans 6:19 which speaks to believers that we have been set free from slavery of sin, to be slaves of God. As slaves of sin, we could do nothing but to sin. Now we can do things for the glory of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11


Haz Part 2: The reason I say,

"As slaves of sin, we could do nothing but to sin."

those who are lost are slaves to sin because anything they do in life, never gives glory to God. And anything without faith is sin. Even the good the lost do is sin. "because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and there foolish hearts were darkened" Rom. 1:16-31. speaks of these individuals.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/11


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alan_of_uk:
I guess your definition of sin is breaking the 10 commandments. Is that correct?

But what do you think of scripture that says he who sins is:
'a servant of sin' John8:34
'of the devil' 1John3:8

And 1John3:9 says Christians 'CANNOT sin'. What do you understand here?

Re examples you gave adultery, coveteousness, etc Christians should not do such things. In our relationship with
God we find He chastises those He loves if we do wrong.
But those under law of sin and death get death penalty.
---Haz27 on 4/7/11


Sin is the cause why God create Hell. And God never sin. The sin entered in the Universe when Lucifer desire to be more than God.Sin entered through the first couple and transferred to human kind. How does God solved this problem? By sending His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. God's law said that only the blood of Jesus can redeemed every sinners. But they need to hear and believe the good news that Jesus did it for them dying in their behalf. Once you became Jesus follower from the heart the book of 1 John taught that a follower of Jesus the genuine one can not or must not stay in sin. GBU all.
---Lanie on 4/7/11


If we are freed from sin, we are then freed from the penalty of sin. The wages of sin is death. NO sin shall enter still holds true. Jesus Christ came to set men free from sin, therefore free men from the punishment of sin. That means we can have life,(salvation) not death. We can enter in without sin.
Christ came to take away sin.
To think we are yet sinners but the penalty is taken away is a delusion. Sin is not counted, sin has no more life, we have died to it. Sin has been taken away. Its not imputed to us anymore.
---duane on 4/7/11


kathr:
I don't know why you claim I believe in self-works, but that's wrong.
Perhaps you confused my comment about Phil 3 where Paul admitted he had not attained perfection through self-works.

Did you have any scriptures for your claim we are only set free from the PENALTY of sin?

I see scriptures say we are set free from sin, which therefore includes the penalty. But you seem to say that we are not set free from sin but only it's penalty.

Also what is your understanding of 1John3:6-9 where it says Christians cannot sin and those who do sin are of the devil?
---Haz27 on 4/7/11


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Haz .. You appear from your repsonse to me, to be saying that if you break the 10 commandments, you are not sinning.

So it is not a sin to steal, or to commit adultery, nor to be covetous, nor to give false testimony, nor to get so drunk that you drive dangerously.

Because you are free if the need to live in the way that God has told us to live.

Do I understand you correctly?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/7/11


Haz27, yes we do have different understanding. The Gospel itself is the message we are set free from the penalty of death and hell. WE have LIFE, Eternal Life through Jesus Christ. In Christ I am ALIVE from the dead.

And no, Philippians 3 has nothing to do with SELF works but sanctification IN CHRIST alone.

Hebrews 2:10-12
10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
---kathr4453 on 4/7/11


Hebrews 2:10-12
10For it became him,, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto for whom are all thingsglory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

So Haz when we suffer through Sanctification Jesus said He's not ashamed to Identify with us, and call us Brethren.

Notice the words PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERING?????,

That haz27 is NOT self works, and can never be self works. It's Christ's Working in you...


Paul's goal: To present every man ( christians that is) PERFECT IN CHRIST!
---kathr4453 on 4/7/11


Haz27, I need to ask this based on something you said..Do you believe you can lose your salvation? If so How? (being sinless that is)

Both you and the legalizers are totally preoccupied with the Law. One believes they keep the law totally after salvation, you believe we are no longer under the law through calvary...correct. And then you BOTH believe that it's your SELF WORKS after your salvation.

This is where you both will come out a day late and a dollar short. We are sanctified BY Faith. In the NT, there will not be those who are JUST JUSTIFIED and then work there way to heaven through self works.

We are HIS workmanship...you need to surrender to THAT truth. truth.

---kathr4453 on 4/7/11


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kathr you said:
'To be set free from sin and death is to be set free FROM THE PENALTY of Sin ."

Can you refer me to scriptures to confirm that we have been set free from the PENALTY of sin? I have only found scriptures saying it's sin that we are set free from.
---Haz27 on 4/6/11


Donna5535 --Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Thus I think it is NOT sin to be angry. But anger should be short-lived because forgiveness should come quickly.

Jesus was angry at the money changers in the temple and with those who would accuse Him because of healing on the sabbath.
Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts...
You are correct, its by the Spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh. But it is the deeds as a rule, rather than the emotions, that are sinful.
---Donna66 on 4/6/11


kathr:
We clearly have a different understanding.

You said "That Law was: you sin, you die."
Yes, that's true.
Thank God our old man was crucified with Christ Rom6:6
"if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin" Rom8:10
"henceforth know we no man after the flesh" 2Cor 5:16

Christians walk by faith and the above we accept by faith.

Re Phil 3:12 you quoted read from start of chapter for context. Paul was referring to perfection through self-works. Also it would contradict Phil 3:15 and Heb 10:14 if we weren't perfected as you suggest.

I am curious how you see 1John3:6-9 that Christians cannot sin and anyone who does sin is of the devil.
---Haz27 on 4/6/11


By the Spirit of God we are putting to death the deeds of the flesh DAILY. However, when the flesh wins over, we can be tempted and that temptation can lead to sin. Is Anger sin? I believe it is because the bible says be angry yet do not sin. Do you ever get angry? Our flesh is corrupt and it's by the Spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh, so if you're not "in the Spirit", praying, worshipping, fellowshipping with God, you can easily get in the flesh.
---Donna5535 on 4/6/11


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Haz27,
Servants of Righteousness manifest THIS:

2 Peter 1:1
--- to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:



This is what God wants:

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death,

11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: ....
---kathr4453 on 4/6/11


Our sin is washed away by the blood of Christ, however our old man is not washed away by the blood.

To be set free from sin and death is to be set free FROM THE PENALTY of Sin .

WE have to die TO SIN. Sin doesn't die. We die to sin daily.

Haz27, you were set free from the penalty of sin which is death. Jesus paid the penalty...dying in your place. Now you have eternal life In Him.
What Romans 6-8 is saying "The Spirit of the Life of Christ set us free from the Law( Penalty) of sin and death"...That Law was: you sin, you die. We inherited that sin through Adam. Paul is saying we are set free from the penalty of sin all inherited from ADAM. Romans 5
---kathr4453 on 4/6/11


MarkV, You asked me how God made me born-again twice, and I told you the truth of how it happened to me. MarkV, you did not ask of me because you truly desire to know from me, no, not at all, but you only ask of me for the sole purpose of dissing my words of truth. Therefore, until you are ready to not blaspheme but instead you are honestly ready to receive my words, then have enough consideration to not ask of me until you are ready to accept the truth.
---Eloy on 4/6/11


Saints are proven to be saintly and do the works of Christ, therefore the bible scholar whom changes God's word into a lie is a condemned liar, and the scholar whom has zero light in them should not be listened to.
---Eloy on 4/6/11


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alan:
I will answer your question again.

When did I last sin?
If you mean sin of unbelief (John16:9), I believe on Jesus.
If you mean am I under the law and transgressed it (1John3:4)?
I've been set free from the law of sin and death (Rom 8:2).

Whats your definition of sin as we differ on it.

Consider this. He who sins is:
"servant of sin" John8:34.
"of the devil" 1John3:8

But:
"you WERE the servants of sin,...Being made FREE from sin, you became servants of righteousness" Rom6:17,18.
Christians "CANNOT sin" 1John3:9

Do you believe God's word above?
Are you a servant of sin OR righteousness?








---Haz27 on 4/6/11


Haz ... Scripture also says that there is only One who has been sinless. Jesus taught us to pray, forgive us our sins.

You still have not answered, when did you last sin?

Jesus may have dealt with our sin ... but since you were saved, have you become perfect, and do you never sin?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/6/11


Eloy, I asked you this questions on another blog concerning your two born agains. With your answers how can you teach the Word of God correctly? You say you believed a lie after you were born again. And you told God to go away and He did. How is that possible if you were born of the Spirit? If Jesus said, He will never leave you nor forsake you, how can you possibly remove yourself from Him? Also, you have stated that been born again you become sinless, how is it you lost your first born again if you committed sin the first time? That means that if you sin again, you have to be born again, again? Also, Christ can only die for you once for all time. I love you Eloy, but you are in a world of trouble claiming sinlessness.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/11


alan_of_uk
You have follwed this topic for some time now and you know my position.

You insist on calling Christians 'sinners" in spite of scriptures to the contrary. Why would you continue to reject God's word on this?

As you know, the wages of sin is death. If you still 'sin' you are a servant of sin John8:34. Christians are servants of righteousness, not sin.
If you are claiming Jesus hasn't dealt with sin in your life then I'm concerned how you understand scriptures like 1John3:6-9 which says that Christians do not sin and that those who do sin are of the devil.
---Haz27 on 4/6/11


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Cluny:
Read Rom 7 from beginning and see it addresses those "who know the law". Verse 1 even speaks of "man" singular in addressing many.

1Tim1:13-15 clearly speaks of Paul's past of blasphemy etc, BEFORE conversion. Are you suggesting Paul is still into blasphemy etc to keep the label "chief" sinner?

1Pet 4:18 clearly separates 2 groups. You are either:
Group 1: Righteous
OR
Group 2: Ungodly, Sinners

Are you saying Paul is both righteous and "chief" sinner at same time? If so you differ with God's word.

Paul in 1Tim1:15 is talking about having a past record of "chief" sinner. But he "obtained mercy" 1Tim1:16
---Haz27 on 4/5/11


Haz27,
It was jerry6593 on 4/5/11 who said "If being under..."
---Nana on 4/5/11


Haz ... I did not ask when you were "in sin"

I asked when you last sinned.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/5/11


To put it simply, we have been freed from sin through Jesus Christ. Your choice to believe it or not. We are not and cannot sin anymore as long as we remain faithful.
We are believers in the work of the Cross.
---duane on 4/5/11


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So Haz, when Paul was speaking in the first person singular, he really meant meant THIRD person PLURAL.

And when he said, "I'm the chief of sinners," he meant, "I'm NOT the chief of sinners".

Do I understand you right?
---Cluny on 4/5/11


Cluny:
Rom 7 Paul speaks of the battle between flesh and spirit. He says man cannot do the good he wants to.

Rom 7:24 he says "who shall DELIVER me from the body of this death". Answer: Jesus.

But also look at:
Rom7:5 "when we WERE in the flesh"
Rom7:6 "But NOW are we DELIVERED"

It's no longer I that lives but Christ lives in me Gal 2:20

Regarding 1Tim 1:15 read the verse before to get context. Paul spoke of his blasphemy etc BEFORE conversion. Paul is not claiming to be a Christian and "chief" sinner.
---Haz27 on 4/5/11


Nana you said:
"If being under the law is unbelief and unbelief is sin, then being under the law is sin, which contradicts"

Both these definitions of sin are in the Bible and do not contradict each other. And to be under the law is unbelief. You cant be under works and grace.

As you believe Christians can sin how do you reconcile that with your belief that those who sin are of the devil?

1John3:6-9 says "CANNOT sin" several different ways so it all means the same.
---Haz27 on 4/5/11


\\10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.\\

Is it worth pointing out that "the law" here does mean only the Decalogue, but all 613 commandments?

And note--St. James did not say "the moral law." This distinction into "the moral law" vs. "the ceremonial law" is a tradition and precept of men.

The Bible itself speaks of only ONE law: The Law.
---Cluny on 4/5/11


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Nana, The nonChristians flesh is sinful, but the Christians flesh is Christianed and sanctified and not weak. In context, "And Jesus comes, and finds them sleeping, and says to Peter, Simon, sleep you? could not you watch one hour? Watch you all and pray, else you all enter into temptation, The spirit truly eager, but the flesh not standing."
---Eloy on 4/5/11


\\1John 3:6-9 tells us that Christians CANNOT sin. It also says that those who sin are of the devil. Why would you then say Christians sin and will face judgment for it?
---Haz27 on 4/5/11 \\

According to your own criterion, Haz27, the Bible says that St. Paul was NOT a Christian, because he admitted he sinned.

Romans 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

1 Timothy 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Would you like to try again?
---Cluny on 4/5/11


Consider Peter, the disciple.....

After becoming a follower of Christ, we see that he sinned at least twice: first in denying Christ, and then in changing his actions when around the Jews (acts)
---James on 4/5/11


Nana:
1John 3:6-9 tells us that Christians CANNOT sin. It also says that those who sin are of the devil. Why would you then say Christians sin and will face judgment for it?
---Haz27 on 4/5/11

Those who sin are of the devil? Exactly!

Mark 8:33 "But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men."

face judgement?

1Cor.6:9_10.

"Christians CANNOT sin"
that is not what it says, rather:
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not"
"he that doeth righteousness is righteous"
---Nana on 4/5/11


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haz: "I dont understand your point."

"To still be under the law, in spite of the cross, is unbelief."

If being under the law is unbelief and unbelief is sin, then being under the law is sin, which contradicts:

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---jerry6593 on 4/5/11


Nana:
1John 3:6-9 tells us that Christians CANNOT sin. It also says that those who sin are of the devil. Why would you then say Christians sin and will face judgment for it?

I assume you define sin as transgression of the law. If so what of Rom 8:2 that we have been SET FREE from the law of sin and death?

You referred to 1 Peter 4:1 claiming "That arming goes beyond just getting the tittle 'christian', it is a duty rather."
What "duty" do you mean here as 1Pet 4:1 tells us that we have "CEASED from sin" as a result of arming ourselves with the same mind as Christ who suffered for us?
---Haz27 on 4/5/11


Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,"
Some christians believe that the sin they commit and will commit will not be judged. I see that, not as such.


Romans 2:27 "And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, ?"
What if it does not fulfill? It cannot judge and is no better.( Of course circumcision was a law, therefore Paul means something else and it is not pork chops either...)

1 Peter 4:1 ", arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: "
That arming goes beyond just getting the tittle 'christian', it is a duty rather.
---Nana on 4/4/11


jerry6593:
I dont understand your point.
Are you saying that being justified through works of the law is consistent with believing on Jesus?
Seems we have a different belief about the law.


---Haz27 on 4/4/11


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alan_of_uk:
To answer your question, before I came to Christ I was in sin. That was many years ago.

But, being born of God the following applies:
1John3:9 Christians "cannot sin"
1Pet 4:1 we have 'ceased from sin'
John8:36 we have been "set free" from sin
1Pet 4:18 we are "righteous" as opposed to being sinners.

Rom 8:3 says that sin was condemned in the flesh.
And Rom 8:10 "if Christ be in you your body is DEAD because of sin"
It is now Christ that lives in you if you are under grace.
2Cor 5:16,17 "henceforth know we no man according to the flesh...if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, old things have passed away"
---Haz27 on 4/4/11


Haz ... Can you please give the date when you last sinned?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/4/11


haz: "To still be under the law, in spite of the cross, is unbelief."

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Looks like you've got a logical inconsistency in your interpretation.
---jerry6593 on 4/4/11


P.C._Leveare
I found that many who follow the "habitual" sin teaching often seem to back away from it once they begin to recognize it's failings.

The fact remains God says in 1John3:9 that Christians "CANNOT SIN". This is confirmed by many other scriptures.

Sin is "UNBELIEF" (John 16:9).
The various definitions of sin in the Bible all point to unbelief.
To still be under the law, in spite of the cross, is unbelief.
To not have righteousness in Christ and not be justified by faith is unbelief.

All Christians should thankfully accept God's truth that we are no longer sinners. For we are dead and our life is hid with Christ in God Col 3:3.

---Haz27 on 4/3/11


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ROMANS 6:11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to GOD in CHRIST our LORD.

ROMANS 6,12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lust,

ROMANS 6:13 And do not present your members of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourslves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members instruments of righteousness to GOD.

( ONCE a person is truly save they been given a new soul in which they don't want to sin, but can because they have a earthly body that still lust after sin. Big example of someone saved and fallen in to sin is King David.)
---RICHARDC on 4/3/11


Mark.14:38 "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak."
Christ recognized our makeup which He also had, and showed us in the above verse that sin comes from
lack of watchfulness and prayer.
Sin is not born of God.
---Nana on 4/3/11


Do not be deceived, the righteous are righteous, and the sinuous are sinuous, and never shall the twain meet: but there is a great chasm fixed between the two of those in heaven and those in hell. Many Biblical scholars are unsaved sinners and endeavor to change God's clear and direct Truth into a lie by diluting his word with lies. For example, saying that sin is not a sin, but a mistake, and all people make mistakes which God merely winks at. Do not listen to "so-called" Biblical scholars, for they are condemned souls whom know not the truth: and if the blind lead the blind, then both will fall into the ditch.
---Eloy on 4/2/11


Well, P.C. do you believe this scripture means a child of God does no sinning, at all?

Born, I would say, can mean God has begun, but has not made us sinless. It does say, "He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ," in Philippians 1:6.

I do not need to pick from choices others have already given us for how to interpret that scripture. God may have a better interpretation (c: I can openly trust God to do what He knows this means, with us.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/2/11


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P.C Leveare:
Your correct, those born of God CANNOT sin.
And 1John5:1 shows who is born of God..."whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God".

Many bloggers agree their "inner man" cannot sin.
But unfortunately they focus on physical wrong doings and judging themselves as sinners still, in spite of scriptures to the contray.
They wrongly understand 1John3:9 due to traditional beliefs that Christians are still sinners in spite of the cross.

The "habitual sin" doctrine has some vague limit to "sin", of course without any scriptural support. Should a person exceed the "sins" limit over a indistinct period then they are deemed an un-believer.
---Haz27 on 4/2/11


P.C. Laveare-- We are not "inherently" born of God! (check a dictionary definition of inherent)
That would mean
our salvation was inborn. Salvation, in that case, would be part of our very nature! But it's not. Our Salvation was purchased for us by the blood of our Savior, Jesus Christ. And until we accepted it, it was never ours. That's why the term is "born again", rather than simply "born". .

Being "born again" does not change our genetic make-up, our physical needs and reflexes. As long as we carry those, we will be capable of sinning. The day will come, when we shed these physical things and become completely, what we have become spiritually, by regeneration.
---Donna66 on 4/1/11


From the way the question is written, it seems safe to assume that you no longer sin. Is that true?

If Christians did not sin, even after being born again, why did God have John write 1 John 1:9?
---Trish9863 on 4/1/11


Yes, when you are born again you are born of God. However, we still live in a fallen world and are still human - this does NOT change when we become born again. So if this is the case, Christians CAN and DO sin on a DAILY basis. If you think different, you are NOT a Christian and are calling God a LIAR (1 John 1:8-10).
---Leslie on 4/1/11


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It simply means we're human & are going to make mistakes. You will continue to make bad choices. The difference in the sinning is a Christian realizes he's failed & asks for forgiveness & strives to not repeat the mistake. Someone that's not a Christian just goes on as if it's no big deal & continues the same pattern of living. That's the difference in falling short(sinning) & living in a lifestyle of sinning.
---Reba on 4/1/11


The book of James 1:9 says: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Isn't James speaking to Christians? And saying if you break one law, you break them all and are guilty of sin? Or am I missing something here?
---Donna5535 on 4/1/11


Alas, we all sin, stumble, fall, and hopefully, get back up.

Some people have sins that are merely disreputable.

But others, even the most respectable, have sins that are disastrous.
---Cluny on 4/1/11


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