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What would you do if you were confronted with a demon possessed person?

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Kathr I find what Mark said acceptable since sin is at everyone's door everyday. but not all of us answer. As I can see you do every day of the week. I find it confusing why you continue to say what you say about a brother in Christ since Mark did speak the truth. Steven could have spoken about Christ, instead, he wanted to make a remark against him. Now you answered the door too.
---mary on 4/25/11


Here we go again with MarkV making horrible accusations against stevenG...now satan was at his door on Easter Sunday.REALLY!

And you all find THAT acceptable?

I find those who find markv words acceptable, and never admonish him are hypocrite through and through, and will be judged with teh Hypocrites!. You are respecter of persons and that James says IS FROM THE DEVIL.

MarkV forever accuses Eloy, steveng, alan, craigA. With Eloy he brings up past issues, trying to get him flogged, having nothing to do with doctrine.

There is one thing to Fight for the TRUTH of Scripture and fighting.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/11


It is quite sad the way some are replying. I would encourage you to read 2Timothy 2:25. Insults and redicule are a waste of time. You CANNOT change a persons beliefs, you can only share with them the truth. Hopefully we all will examine what is said not by what our church doctrine is, but through a civil discussion
and a heart that is willing to learn.
---willa5568 on 4/25/11


Steven G, I don't know how a person can speak from both sides of the mouth. As someone else, sin was at your door this Easter Sunday, and you decided to answered to it.
With that you said,
"And then you wrote in the same post: "All Scripture is for our edification, for teaching, for correcting, for faith, for a righteous life and to make a person wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
Of course that is true. What do you not find truth in?
Just because something from the past does not apply to us as Christians now, like the practice of Corbin and so many others, does not mean we should not learn the Words of God. I do know who are my accusers, it never fails.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/11


Kathr, you are a hypocrite, you don't think much of trouble makers, or those who try to start bashings on line, so you must not think much of yourself. all you do is bash Mark almost on every blog, and speak about his name all the time to others. And when someone agrees with him you bash them. The Bible speaks against hypocrisy. I am born of God, and encourage you to repent.
---mary on 4/24/11




Kath, I find it very disturbing that you go on day after day with the same slanderous words. When you stop to just answer a question you do great, then you resort to name calling and false accusations. What I see many of you doing, who believe in the same theology is resorting to slander. Learn to find what Truth God wants to reveal to us. That should be your goal. I'm on the side of God. Who's side are you on?
---Daniel on 4/24/11


kath4453--Listen to yourself.
First you say //those who ask one to take sides and try to cause strife are themselves trouble makers, and are the ones not born again.//

In the next breath you say:

//join in with these catty women if you will... They are Joel Osteen peace love dove new agers who would never dare to take a stand.//

So you are not asking anyone to take sides.Right?

// M___ who is actually someone else I won't mention, has 7999 other blogs to read, but comes on once every 2-6 months to blast anyone who would dare to confront MarkV.//

And you would NEVER try to stir up strife, or sow discord among brethren (Prov 6:17) WOULD you!
---Donna66 on 4/24/11


Markv has been asked HERE and other blogs over and over, not just by me but others WHO DO put down scripture. This is a ongoing issue with MarkV. When you do put down scripture right in front of him, he comes back and says, no scripture. Does MarkV even have a Bible?

Then when he is backed into a corner with scripture, he is evasive, will begin to thrash and start to thrash others calling them satan's children. He answers with..."Because you are the children of satan because you don't understand or mear ME."

The ME here is not Jesus but Markv.


Maybe that's a demon that needs to be confronted.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/11


The verse I asked MarkV about is in Galatians 3..FALLING FROM GRACE. Now as long as many of us have been on here, and discussed this verse, no one has ever had to SHOW mark chapter and verse. WE ALL KNOW where it is and waht it says.

MarkV simply did not want to answer the question. I also asked about Revelation 3 and not only that but all teh warnings in the first 7 letters and their promises. MarkV did not want to answer.

What more did he want? Nothing.

His reply was evasive...He evaded the questions because he did not want to be confronted with them.

and larry..those books go way beyond the first 5 books or pages. THat was a really catty remark to make.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/11


Steven G 2, Every Christian has sin at the door, but we have the power through Christ to not answer it. I know its hard for many of you to keep from criticizing me because I have disagreed with you. But you have the power also to love others. He lives in you. I find it is always the same people, who have the same theology who get offended when I disagree with them, and those same people are the one's who cannot help themselves to find the opportunity to get personal, disagree with me if you want, I don't mind at all but you should love me already if you are saved.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/11




Kathr4453-- You set people up for "strife" on these blogs. If they agree with someone who disagrees with you, they are accused of "taking sides". But if they don't come out with a strong statement about something,(maybe because they still have questions in their own mind,) they are "new age" followers of Olsteen.

There is no need to make a CONTEST out everything on a Christian site. People can have opinions without being on one person's "side" or the other. And calling people "catty" or questioning if they are born again doesn't help anything. We are here to discuss God's Word and how it can be applied. Do we have to make everything so personal?
---Donna66 on 4/25/11


Daniel, you can take any side you wish. However those who ask one to take sides and try to cause strife are themselves trouble makers, and are the ones not born again.

So Daniel, join in with these catty women if you will. If you read theri last 20 posts, I see nothing nourishing either have to offer. They are Joel Osteen peace love dove new agers who would never dare to take a stand.

mary, who is actualy someone else I won't mention, has 7999 other blogs to read, but comes on once every 2-6 months to blast anyone who would dare to confront MarkV. I find that amazing.

I don't think much of trouble makers, or those who try to start bashings on line.

Are YOU Born Again?
---kathr4453 on 4/23/11


Daniel,

It is a shame the words on which we pound, may be the very words that pound on us.

If we do not somehow find a way to show love even though we are perfect and others are not, we are nothing.

If we are instructed to back down and be silent, who do we serve? Jesus could have blasted Pilate (governor v. Governor), but answered when He needed to and was silent when He needed to be.

Sometimes silence says more than words even if it is scripture.
---aka on 4/23/11


Here, again, is a perfectly good question, hijacked and totally derailed, for the sake of arguing and sarcasm. Do we really need a dictionary definition of "evasive"?.. And how does the accusation of evasiveness add to anyone's understanding Revelation or Galatians

A serious student of the Word is not "childish" in expecting chapter and verse references!
---Donna66 on 4/23/11


You really have to excuse Katr as she is barely getting around to understanding what it is all about. She is still on page 5 of her New Testament and expects to become a real expert in about 10 years.
---larry on 4/23/11


Mark_V., you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

First you wrote: "Everything in the Bible is for us to learn, and not everything in the Bible applies to us today."

And then you wrote in the same post: "All Scripture is for our edification, for teaching, for correcting, for faith, for a righteous life and to make a person wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
---Steveng on 4/23/11


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Alan, You have no rights on me but God. I have not responded to you for a long time because you complain. So I have not accused you of anything. You first called me a liar, and now a heretic. And you once called me a brother. You took the steps of Cain, who stabbed his own brother and killed him. Nothing you say from now on will ever change what you said about me. It's gone out to the world for all to hear. You accomplished what you wanted to accomplish that morning that sin was at your door just as Cain did.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/11


Those who question markv, in any way, is to reap such awful wrath and false accusation, calling them satan's children over and over and over. This is unacceptable christian behavior.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/11


kath, I'm on anon side and Mary's, you take passages out of context and turn around and accuse others for just answering. Are you born again?
---Daniel on 4/23/11


anon, I have said the same thing to her because all you see and hear from her are mixed religious words with a lot of poison. She really has a terrible problem with showing love for her sisters and brothers. I'm glad you spoke up. I would hope others would do the same, I cannot stand to hear her each day.
---mary on 4/22/11


Listen to Paul Washer on You Tube. Then you will know the difference between a false revival/teaching and a Truthful teacher of God's word.

Paul is exposing ministries that don't even mention Jesus. Yet if our ears are not spiritually tuned in, we won't notice it. ---

Judge everything by what the Word of God says. ----
---anon on 9/7/10


AMEN anon. Are you spiritually in tuned to MarkV? He believes nothing like Paul Washer! Paul believes in Whosoever will, and also is saying what I and others are saying here, BEWARE OF FALSE teachers. Paul also says scripture is full of warnings to CHRISTIANS.

So do you read blogs before you pounce, or just pounce?
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11


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Anon, are you saying its childish to point out children who claim to be so well versed in scripture believing they KNOW IT ALL accusing everyone else of being stupid or twisting scripture is childish?

No, its called being responsible. I would never as a parent leave my children in the hands of a child that I have to point out the very basics of babysitting each and every time I asked to babysit. I would consider them incompetent, and warn others not to allow them the responsibility to babysit until they are mature enough to KNOW what is required of them.

anon, we all know how makrv needs you to hide behind your apron strings. Cut him loose anon and stop enabling his bad behavior on line.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11


MarkV, before anyone can really take you serious here, please give a synopsis of the Book of Galatians. What is the overall theme of Galatians.

Are there warnings TO CHRISTIANS? Yes or NO

Can the Elect fall from Grace based on Paul's experience with those in Galatia? Yes or NO.

Was Paul teaching election OR the CROSS plus nothing?

Does the word ELECT even come up in the Book of Galatians?

Does Paul tell us ONLY the Elect are exempt from warnings? WHERE IS YOUR SCRIPTURE PLEASE!
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11


//NO! Only MarkV would be so EVASIVE in answering any questions, if hes not treated as a little child where one needs to give chapter and verse.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11//

kathr4453 are you proud of yourself here? How childish of you to point this out. I now know what the Apostle Paul meant when he said, the thing that you accuse others of doing, you yourself do, thanks to you for giving me understanding of what Paul meant. You should be proud of yourself...not really. You come off with such pride because you think you can correct and rebuke others here and that is the law of death, not the law of the Spirit of Life-you minister death with the way you say things, even if it's the truth, you come off with such pride.
---anon on 4/21/11


When addressing the Book of Galatians, EVERY GOOD Teacher KNOWS what is in the WHOLE Book. They dont need to be pointed out where a verse is to address the issues. They KNOW those scriptures. When the Letter was written to the Galatians, do you actually think one asked.What and where was that sentence, before I will respond.

NO! Only MarkV would be so EVASIVE in answering any questions, if hes not treated as a little child where one needs to give chapter and verse.


Evasive :not giving a direct answer to a direct question, usually in order to conceal the truth, intended to avoid something unpleasant.
Also other words:
Elusive, slippery, shifty, cagey, hard to pin down, vague, ambiguous, equivocal.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11


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Just a lot of talk and questions and no context of any passage is given for anyone to answer to. Everything in the Bible is for us to learn, and not everything in the Bible applies to us today. Scripture has only one meaning, the one God wanted to convey. Scripture interprets Scripture. What can be found in one passage can also be found in many others. All Scripture is for our edification, for teaching, for correcting, for faith, for a righteous life and to make a person wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/11


If Paul's letters were only for those 7 churches, why are they in the Bible for us now?

Just so we can argue about thier meaning?

Or so that we can learn from them?

Surely they are meant for us now, that is why God inspired Paul to write them?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/21/11


Just amazing MarkV, I replied NICELY to your answer and that is whaat you come back with.

I believe it is fair to say, that any time you find scripture and common sense backing you in a corner, you insult and attack, or play teh poor victim.

Are you saying the Letter to the Church in Ephesis, Paul's ephesians, THE ELECT went poof by the time John's letter arrived....the Elect Ephesians no longer believed? And those in Colossians too, which is where the last letter went, Laeodecia?

So why do you take any letters Paul writes as applying to US today. THEN ONLY the Ephesians at THAT time were elect. NOT YOU MarkV, it doesn't apply to you today!
---kathr4453 on 4/21/11


Beware of CULTS who throw out New Testament Books of Scripture because it doesn't accomidate their false religion.

Mormons throw out Hebrews...too much blood, and proves Jesus is not and Angle.

Calvinists/ or Maybe just MarkV who is or isn't a Calvinists throw out Revelation, because it warns of false teachers and the consequences. And they don't believe in the beast as a real person satan is going to give power to.
---kathr453 on 4/21/11


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Markv you never answered the question RE Galatians, who after the lawyers came in opposed the one and only true GOSPEL. Paul states any other Gospel is accursed.

NOW, I ask you again, were those in Galatia saved or not? Did they lose their salvation WHEN they fell from Grace? Is it possible for the Elect to fall from Grace? Was Paul delusional when he stayed and labored to form Christ in them again. Are Christians warned in scripture to stay away from false teaching? Are Christians vulnerable to false doctrine?

Or are you saying the Book of Galatians doesn't apply to us today either?



---kathr4453 on 4/21/11


My mother has dealt with this directly and a student (college) of mine assisted on exorcism for the Catholic Church. Both note the encounters are often too much for the average layman who suddenly confronts the reality of Ephesians 6:12.
The student told me the demon proceeded to humiliate him loudly reciting a number of secret sins. He no longer is part of that ministry.
---larry on 4/20/11


Kathr, you asked many questions and only one I could understand so I answered it. I believe I answered it as kindly as I could. Gave you Scripture, explained it to you, but you didn't ask the questions to find Truth, you asked the question to find fault and again to argue. Do you not realize you cannot hide from God at your computer? Do you not understand that what comes out of your mouth really comes from your heart and has great consequences? From now I will not answer your questions to me, but I will defend the truth when you put false teachings out there. Debating with you is impossible.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11


MarkV, the only CHURCH is the Body of Christ. Jesus doesn't knock on the wooden door of any church. And if those letters were ONLY to the Literal 7 existing Churches, what about the others not listed? But MarkV, your interpretation makes it convenient to say, that was then, and it no longer applies.

Those warnings/letters in Rev are for ALL the Church Age until Christ returns. He hasn't returned yet..and it still applies today. Those PROMISES that go with those letters are to me as much today as the Warnings.

God never promised the Early Church something that is not promised to us today. or promised only 7 literal churches.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/11


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Kathr 2: The example of a church falling is the one mentioned in Rev.3:14. The Laodicean Church. This church had changed so much that no believers were left. It did not mean believers lost their salvation, but that all who believed were gone, and the church was full of unbelievers. They were asked to be zealous and repent. The whole church was full of unbelievers by that time. Jesus was knocking on the door and no one could hear. Only those who are His hear His voice.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11


kathr4453,

Very refreshing to follow along the path of your understanding on this subject.
Stay well and if it must be, only stirred not shaken by those who oppose themselves.
---Nana on 4/20/11


Kathr, you have to remember that when the churches were formed they were in agreement within the church. But as time goes by members come and go. New ones enter bringing new stuff corrupting what was once truth. Later the church is divided. But it does not mean those who believed and left lost their salvation, but the new ones who entered need to be saved. So don't use the church as an example, because the church has many members, people come and go. Warnings are given to all believers, it is a part of sanctification. Teaching concerning conduct is to keep order, and to keep everyone in one mind. They hear the teaching and learn how to behave. If Paul was to leave, it changes not the condition of the individual believers.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11


Let's not fall into delusion believing there are no warings to Christians about false teachers. 2 Thess warns about those God will allow to believe the Lie.

You see, God didn't forordain anyone to believe any lie. We see in 2. Thess, God allowed them to believe because THEY did not RECEIVE the love of the truth( The Gospel) that they might be saved.

And it's also delusional to believe that because one believes their the elect, they can't fall into error, making them exempt from all warnings. That's pride.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/11


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Let's put Paul's words to timothy in perspective. Timothy, 1-2 and Tutus are pastoral epistles. Paul was wriiting to TIMOTHY and encouraging him, regadless of his youth to be strong.

And let's remember the stronghold over the Galatians after the lawyers came in. Paul had to start al over again forming Christ in them. What if Paul walked away...what would have happened to them? They would be christians living under legalism, circmcision and the sabbath.

Even then false teachers were on the rise.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/11


Markv, here is a question based on my last two posts, re, false teachers in Galatia.

If you believe OSAS, then you must believe those in Galatia were saved. Now, if Paul walked away, after they fell from Grace, then did they LOSE their salvation? Would they have LOST something?

Well, if not their salvation, then their rewards, their witness for the CROSS plus nothing, and they would be promoting works, a false Gospel.

So we have a delimna here. Would they have LOST their salvation if Paul didn't stay? Can OSAS believe anything they want without consequence? Are we responsible to obey what we have heard and learned?
---kathr4453 on 4/19/11


Kathr, again it was easy for you to change God's meaning of a verse to your liking. Here in 2 Tim. 2:25,25 Paul was addressing believers to witness to those who opposed the gospel. To teach in humility, with patience, correcting those in opposition. Those people we are told do not know the Truth, and by giving them the Truth God may perhaps will grant them repentance, so they may know the Truth, so that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, and here is why, because they have been taken captive by him to do his will. Jesus identified the same kind of people in John 8:42-44 where Jesus says, "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do"
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11


Both Kathr and Mark V. have made good points regarding...---Rob on 4/18/11

Blessed are the peacemakers.
---aka on 4/18/11


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If the possessed wants deliverance or someone who knows them asks me to help, then I will, otherwise I don't lose time on dissers and the dead whom reject Christ.
---Eloy on 4/18/11


Both Kathr and Mark V. have made good points regarding the WOF and those who are true Christians.
---Rob on 4/18/11


Just because someone belongs to God does not mean they are incapable of being snared by Satan. Those snares are what we refer to as strongholds. Every believer who is honest with themselves knows they have at least 1 of these.

The Bible states noone is able to take us out of Gods hand. It does not say that we cant backslide into sin.
---Jasheradan on 4/18/11


MarkV, that verse says caught in the SNARE of the devil. Not only can satan catch Christians in a snare, but in sin as well. Just ask those Christians who have fallen into sin. You are awfully naive to believe Satan isn't roaming around to deceive. The Lost are already deceived aren't they. Why would Paul address the Lost. Isn't scripture for the saved? God also has warned His Church "come out from among them".

Scripture is full of warnings to Christians...
---kathr4453 on 4/18/11


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Kathr, you said,

"markv, that verse is talking to Christians who are caught in the snare of satan by false teaching...example ..WOF."

Kathr, It is not talking about Christians. Genuine Christians do not belong to the devil. Christians are children of God who already know the Truth.

The passage indicates "that the believers are to teach in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them (the opposition) repentance, so that they (not the believers) may know the truth, (believers already know the Truth) and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will"
How can you not understand?
---Mark_V. on 4/17/11


//2 Tim. 2:25,26, "..God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil.."//


markv, that verse is talking to Christians who are caught in the snare of satan by false teaching...example ..WOF.

And yes, many Christians have come out from among them.

Markv, you don't honestly believe EVERY VERSE in scripture is about your initial salvation? Do you suppose Paul addressed other issues as well?

Good heavens.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11


Mark you didnt change the order at all....


//Your justification is your LEGAL standing brfore God. The New Birth is not your Justification// Kathr

^^^ THIS!
---Jasheradan on 4/16/11


MarkV, this is exactly what I am saying. A person needs to be Justified first before God before they are made alive in Christ.

Paul put it in this order as well.

We are Justified by His Blood, and Saved by His Life, His RISEN Life.

God has to declare a sinner RIGHTEOUS, by imputing the Righteousness of Christ first to that person BEFORE the indwelling Christ can even come to live in you. A Holy God will never join himself with a sinner before he is Justified by Jesus Blood FIRST!.

Your justification is your LEGAL standing brfore God. The New Birth is not your Justification. This is the Gospel markv.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11


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Jesheradan, your order of salvation needs correction, You say,
1. Gospel is preached
2. Sinner repents and believes, Most people do not receive faith or repentance. God has to granted them. Phil. 1:29 says, "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ, you should not only believe in Him but also suffer for His sake" and 2 Tim. 2:25,26, "..God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil.."
3. Sinner is justified by faith, Rom. 3:24,25 says, "..they are justified by His grace as a gift, through Christ".
4. Sinner receives the Spirit proofing he is a child of God. the indwelling of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11


Faith in the blood of Jesus Christ is what justifies you. Faith in Jesus Christ also brings the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. No matter what spin you put on it you cannot change the order of how things happen when it is explained in detail in scripture.

-Gospel preached
-Sinner repents and believes
-Sinner is justified by faith in Jesus
-Sinner received the Spirit proving He is now a child of God
---Jasheradan on 4/15/11


Kathr said:

"Yes, but first before being made alive in Christ one needs to be JUSTIFIED first. The Spirit that convicts does not JUSTIFY you."

In order to proof that people are justified before rebirth. What you are suggesting is that the unbelievers who have no faith, (the reason they are called unbelievers), are made righteous first. That tells me that all unbelievers are righteous before rebirth. Here is what God's word says,
"And by Him (God) "everyone who believes" is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses"
Under the law you could not be justified. Only through faith could you be justified. Unbelievers have no faith.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/11


"And you He made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience" Ephesians 2:1,2.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/11

Yes, but first before being made alive in Christ one needs to be JUSTIFIED first. The Spirit that convicts does not JUSTIFY you. God does. Jesus BLOOD does. Then you are made alive IN CHRIST....not TO Christ.

When I Heard the GOSPEL FIRST was when I was drawn.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


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Many today do not grasp how and when they begin to seek after Christ. All they know is that they did at one point in their lives. The Scriptures tells us that "No one seeks God" no one lost seeks God. No person can give himself sight to see and ears to hear, or change their own hearts. If they turn to Christ for eternal life, it is because God's Spirit has made them able to seek after God.

"And you He made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience" Ephesians 2:1,2.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/11


Maybe it was in the same line as Nicodemus' failure to understand Jesus words centered not so much in their intellect but in their failure to understand prophecy. Like Nicodemus, they did not understand the spiritual things of God that were before spoke, as Nicodemus didn't quite grasp the promise of the Holy Spirit bringing New Life . But then again the disciples really didn't understand Jesus would rise from the dead until He did, that brought the Spirit and Life of the Risen Christ so one could be Being again.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/11


someone who is demon possed may not be released or ready to be released from the spirits that possess them so, one has to both have the servants, the willingness to pray and fast, the patience, the time and the building to be able to care for that individual, cos if you fail, you have had it, that person is going to need constant care and help before they can stand on their own two feet, or you'll mess them up and have to have them sectioned.
word of warning:
Tread carfully it may not be a matter of just calling the evil spirit out. They are not coming out that easily, the person has got to want it out and ask for you to pray and fast it out.
---Carla on 4/13/11


MarkV-- Interesting observation. The disciples did not seem to be especially knowledgeable about scripture at the time Jesus was teaching them. But if they did know, they apparently never thought to apply that prophesy to their own little group. It seemed to come as quite a shock when Jesus told them that one of them would betray Him! Even though some probably knew that Judas was less than upright, they didn't even think to accuse him!
---Donna66. on 4/13/11


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Donna66, concerning Juda's, what I could not understand is why the other 11 disciples didn't know that one of them was going to betray Jesus, whom they believed was the Messiah, since it was written in the Old Testament in the Pss. 41:9, 109:8 which Peter cited as justification for replacing Judas the betrayer with another apostle (Acts 1:20), and John 13:18. Jesus knew but the others seemed surprise. The reason Jesus told them what He did in (v. 18) was so they would believe Him when He explained in (v. 19). The Pharisees knew someone would betray the Messiah, since they were experts on the law, but did not believe He was the Messiah, but the other eleven should have known. Unless they did not know the Old Testament teachings.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/11


Donna5535--
I puzzled for years trying to understand how Judas could betray the Messiah, whom he had followed for 2-3 years.

After researching Judas and his background, it appears he may have been one of those zealots who expected Jesus the Messiah to take
back Israel militarily from their oppressors.

My theory is that Judas became impatient and disappointed at Jesus' seeming lack of action. Satan lied to him convincing him that Jesus was not the promised messiah, after all.
Satan was the originator of Judas' scheme for betrayal.
---Donna66 on 4/11/11


Wait on the Lord to direct you. He may or may not want you to intervene.

Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils..."

You may be confident that you have the authority over demons if you know the Lord and He knows you. Men tried to cast out demons... "in the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded." Acts 19:15-16
---Thusfar on 4/11/11


Prophetess of Health, pp. 58-59

To most Millerites, Ellen's visiions were simply another manifestation of the unfortune religious drift of the times toward 'fanaticism.'

Early 19th century America abounded with 'prophets' of every description, from little known frontier seers in Ellen Harmon's Methodist church to prominent sectarian leaders.

Mother Ann Lee of the Shakers had long since passed away but her devoted followers perpetuated her reputation as the female Messiah.

In the 1830's an epidemic of visions spread thru the Shaker communes as young girls begin to sing, talk about angels, and describe journeys they were making under spiritual guidance to heavenly places....

Ellen White was no different.
---leonia on 4/11/11


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Leonia, I don't think she was just an old sick head. Here is why, because of the amount of people that she taught wrong. Not just one sick head teaching false stuff to one or two persons, but to millions.
I would change that title to an antichrist.
1 John 4:6 "The spirit of Antichrist is the spirit of error"
and also 2 John 9,
"To overcome these antichrist, Christians must abide in the doctrine of Christ" not the doctrines of Ellen White, Charles Russell, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, word of faith teachers, or the Pope.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/11


We need to be careful about mistaking mental illness for demon possession.

While reading Prophetess of Health, A study of Ellen White, I have come to the conclusion that this old woman was not demon possessed but an old sick head instead.

"A more convincing diagnosis which not only acccount for many of her physical & psychological symptoms but acknowledges the importance of social & cultural facts, is what many mental-health experts today call somatization disorder with an acompanying histrionic personality style." p. 279
---leonia on 4/10/11


Jasheradan, I believe your answer was very good. Lets call what is happening around us what it really is, it's sin. Because of sin, people are prideful, mean, vicious, hateful. It is not the demons fault, it is the persons fault. If it was the demons fault, why would God judge us? He would judge the demons and not us for our actions. Sure there is demons and some people do get possessed because of sin, the demon is but the instrument. Things happen for three reasons,
1. because of God
2. because of man
3. because of the enemy
Do not give credit to the demons for everything. Sin is responsible for many of man's actions. The death of Christ was because of God, yet satan was used as the instrument.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/11


Judas already loved money more than righteousness. He was a perfect tool for satan to use.
---Jasheradan on 4/7/11


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Do you think Judas knew it was the devil that moved him to betray Jesus? I believe it's in scripture that "then the devil entered him" and Judas gave into the temptation to betray Jesus for 30 silver coins. Why didn't he rebuke that devil in Jesus name? He had to know betraying Jesus was dead wrong.
---Donna5535 on 4/7/11


you are NOT knowledgable in this area, thus if I were you, I'd hold back untruthful comments.
---Donna5535 on 4/7/11

I'm sure that many of us have encountered this. Dealing with other people's rude/ignorant comments is difficult.

Still, I can't force my ex-Uncle, friend, or even people in the church to confront their demons. If they don't want to!

Some people Like/Love their sin, and/or, demons so much that they don't want to be FREE of them. It's their own choice. We just have to respect that.
---Sag on 4/7/11


//No person would want to keep a demon if they knew they had one
thats rediculous//
---stephenparr on 4/7/11

You obviously don't know my mother. My mother has a root of bitterness and won't admit it to this day. If you haven't been exposed to this kind of stuff, don't post such erroneous "Oh for goodness sake no person would want to keep a demon." Look at Charlie Sheen, he thinks he's "WINNING." Is he? No, he's being tormented by a demon and doesn't even realize it. Look at murderers, do they want to be free from a spirit of murder? Some maybe, but most don't. you are NOT knowledgable in this area, thus if I were you, I'd hold back untruthful comments.
---Donna5535 on 4/7/11


Oh for goodness sake people
that last post was absurd. No person would want to keep a demon if they knew they had one
thats rediculous. Rather focus on obeying God daily and leave satan to Him
---stephenparr on 4/7/11


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I have had demons manifest to me through the pupil of my mother's eyes and my boss's eyes (the one I had in 1989).

What I did with my mother, when I saw the pupils of her eyes dialate to a very large size, I saw demons leering at me, I said out loud and in a very authoritative voice, "I bind you in Jesus name." She growled at me, so I said it again, "I bind you in Jesus name." Then I quoted the scripture, "It is written, behold I've given you authority to trample upon serpents and scorpions and over ALL the power of the enemy, etc.," and then the demon backed down.
In my boss, I just got away from him as quickly as possible sine I was a baby Christian back then and didn't know my authority over demons.
---Donna5535 on 4/6/11


Steveng:

My aunt got a divorce from my ex-Uncle. His demons were: Alcoholism, Gambling, and Domestic Abuse.

Courts of Law, Social Services, and even some churches, consider my ex-Uncle's demons to be: Sickness or Diseases over which he had no control. He got a countless number of Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free passes. Yet, his demons remained. Why?

My ex-Uncle's demons were SIN and CRIME. Until there is true repentance, the demons remain in bed with my ex-Uncle.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) has helped my ex-Uncles hold onto his demons. Then he always has a relapse.

Until my ex-Uncle decides to Let Go of his demons, nothing will change. Same goes for any other addictions. We need to explain that to addicts.
---Sag on 4/6/11


What I was seeking is not theories or what is already written in scripture or by another author, nor what SHOULD be done, but what would YOU actually do or think YOU would do if confronted by a demon possesed person? Would you start a converstaion? Would you ask the person's name (or maybe, if you are brave enough, the name of the spirit)? Describe your feelings as you are talking to that person. What sort of reactions do you suppose you get from that person? Has anyone actually met a possessed person (besides your boss)? What actually happened? How did you feel?
---Steveng on 4/5/11


//Where would you get the knowledge that the person WAS possessed by a demon?
---Jacob on 4/5/11//

Jacob, there are nine Gifts from the Holy Spirit. One of them is called Discerning of Spirits. The Holy Spirit quickens those of us who have this gift to "hear" with spiritual ears demons and demonic activity in a person's words or actions. I can smell a demon a mile away, especially a root of bitterness, a demon of pride, resentment, etc., The purpose of the Gift is to be able to discern and either bind the demon up or cast him out. Demons do not voluntarily come out of a person, they must be commanded out in Jesus name.
---Donna5535 on 4/5/11


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Where would you get the knowledge that the person WAS possessed by a demon?

Remember the Pharisees!
---Jacob on 4/5/11


Here's what I was taught by Wyn Worley (who casted out MANY demons in his day).

You can't cast a demon out of an unbeliever because Jesus said if they don't fill themselves up with the word, the demons come back with seven more and they will be more wicked than the first ones.

You can BIND demons in an unbeliever. But they must be bound in Jesus name DAILY.

You can cast demons out of a believer because that believe will be filling themselves up with the word of God.

I tell people if they ever see or hear a demon in me, "Cast it out." lol...no kidding, I do.
---Donna5535 on 4/4/11


Moderator:

One of my friends has a demon called Legion. I've offered to pray that that demon leave him.

Surprisingly, my friend told me that he wants Legion to stay.

You can't force someone to "Let Go" of their demon if they don't want to do so. Even GOD won't force us to see the light.
---Sag on 4/4/11


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