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The Sin Of Unbelief

Why is the Holy Spirit so concerned with convicting us of the sin of unbelief? Does the Holy Spirit convict us of all sin?

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Kathr, you again lie on what I said:

".The reason markv does not believe in Justification FIRST, is because he believes one must BEG for forgivness and mercy after coming alive to christ."

No Kathr, You should beg for mercy for your sins so that you can come to Christ. That is what repentance is. The knowledge that you have sinned against God. And you do not get that knowledge while spiritually dead. You have to be made alive to Christ and given a heart to perceive the Truth in order to make a commitment to Christ. "Those who are in the flesh cannot please God" "Because the carnal mind is at enmity against God. for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be"
---Mark_V. on 4/17/11


Kathr, why is it that you do not hear? You keep rejecting Scripture, not Calvin. It is Scripture you have twisted around. You want to blame Calvin for your blindness. I don't believe anyone has mention Calvin on any of our answers. At least not from me. I present Scripture, you rejected or twisted the meaning. Over and over again. You should be in the light, for men loved darkness rather then light. When you run out of opinions then you resort to blaming someone other then yourself. You have this hate within you that God may decide to let it continue,
"But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you, My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me." John 10:26,27.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/11


Kathr, this time you almost got it right but forgot something when you said,

"There are these three. Justification, sanctification and Glorification.

IN THAT ORDER."


Here is what God said:

"Moreover whom He predestined, these (and not others) He also called, whom He called these He also justified, and whom He justified, these He also glorified"

Only the one's He called, these same people were foreknown before the foundation of the world.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/11


donna66, that is where you and so many are confused. Just because one believes in eternal security or one other point does NOT make them a calvinist. They may be told they are, but that's unfortunate. And many have come out of the calvinist teaching. Many do not like LABELS...They prefer Christian.
The reason markv does not believe in Justification FIRST, is because he believes one must BEG for forgivness and mercy after coming alive to christ. Markv's doctrine TOTALLY NEGATES the doctrine of Justification where we are forgiven and do not need then to beg for mercy and forgivness. We've received it by faith when we were justified. His came by works, because he never had that faith in Jesus Sacrifice to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/11


donna66, this mentality that people say, oh I'm a 1 pointer or 2 pointer calvinists only shows how carnally minded one is to begin with. That is a man made thing NEVER found in Paul's teaching to begin with. Calvin never died for anyone sin. His doctrine cannot Justiify you and never will. It won't sanctify you either..Galatians 2:20. Phil 3, the fellowship of His sufferings.

So, let me ask you, where did Paul ever say what POINT he was?

Those who lean on Calvin, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, and so on, lean on man, and not God.

They are the blind leading the blind. Come out from among them.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/11




There are three POINTS taught in scripture: Again:

Justification
Sanctification
Glorification

Calvin in any of his 1 through 6 NEVER touch on any of these, according to the scriptures.

Calvin actually undermindes justification, ignores true sanctification, leading you to NO Glorification.

All his is nothing but sawdust. and those man made works will burn, burn burn.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/11


Yes, it's the office of the Holy Spirit to convict SINNERS of sin and point to Christ for the forgivness of sin.

When we place our faith in God's promise to forgive based on the finished work of Christ, we are then Justified Christ's Blood, We are washed clean by the Blood of our sin. We have the imputed righteousness of Christ. We must first be forgiven and cleansed before Christ can come in to our lives. Remember, you can't put a new cloth on an old rag. or new wine in old wine skins. The New wine goes in a NEW wine skin.
Then you are LIVE IN CHRIST where the sanctification process begins.

There are these three. Justification, sanctification and Glorification.

IN THAT ORDER.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11


kathr, if the lord recognizes me on judgement day, at least i won't argue.
---aka on 4/16/11


Kathr4453--
NO, All "Calvinists" don't believe in all points of the TULIP.

You post 7, 8, 9 consecutive posts on this and other blogs, but don't say much. The purpose of the word limit is to make people summarize and stick to the most important points. There is no room here for sermons. People who agree with you may take the time to read all your posts...
or Mark whom you make a point to provoke.
I don't know about others, but I now skip over more than 3-4 consecutive posts from one person.
---Donna66 on 4/16/11


Kathr, again like always you speak what I have to call this time lies, when you said:

" When MarkV tells others they are not saved, based on his doctrine..it"
I have never said that you or anyone is not saved. Much less because of the doctrines of Scripture. What I assume is that you and others are saved already. God's sovereignty is for believers. To know who God is, and how they were saved. There is many reasons why you do not understand, one, that you have an agenda outside of Christ, two, that you have not changed, three, that you are in sin walking in the flesh and not in the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11




aka, are you the now the judge. The only thing you objected to here is when I said NOPE.

If that is considered sarcasm, I'm confused.

donna66, regardless of different calvinists, they all believe in the TULIP.

Even if there are only 3 or 4 or 5 point calvinists, all start with the T..total depravity, and the rest is based on the T.

There is no such thing as total depravity.

So, aka, you were successful in NEGATING the conversation based on scripture here, and now all is succesfully negated. Do you feel better now?
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11


donna66, Total depravity is based completely on the fact man cannot in and of himself repent and turn to Christ in faith, therefore God has to pick and choose who He wants and doesn't want.

And AKA if I am over the top and sarcastic defending the opposite truth, I absolutely do not apologize. I don't believe others here who defend whosoever will feel their righteous indignation need apology either.

When MarkV tells others they are not saved, based on his doctrine..it's just plain evil...period. There is nothing more evil as far as I am concerned.

And to say I make people turn away from Christ,get real. Nothing makes man hate God more than to hear a calvinists say, God hates the unbeliever, and predestined them to Hell.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11


//Can I make a righteous judgement on that?//

sure. However, you do not limit yourself to judgment of doctrine based on Scripture.

You discussions often include underhanded and over-the-top insults and judgments of others whether you realize it or not.

Please keep 1Cor13 in mind when you discuss things. and just because someone else may be nasty to you, does not give you the right to return it.
---aka on 4/16/11


kathr4453 -- No doubt God will judge those who refuse to share the Gospel. But that DOES NOT include Calvinists.

You are hard on people, call them "evil", for what you THINK they believe. And you are closed to anything they have to say ABOUT what they believe!

Judge John Calvin all you want, but don't assume all so-called "Calvinists" fit in the same mold, nor believe exactly as he did... nearly 500 yrs. later.
---Donna66 on 4/16/11


aka, we are to judge righteous judgement, meaning judge according to God's word.

One must be justified first by the blood of Jesus Christ first before being born again.

Hardened in the other direction? What direction is that? Calvinism is an evil doctrine. I'm attacking the doctrine and it's stronghold on people. God alone will judge those who not only refuse to share the Gospel with others, but refuse to believe Jesus Christ died for the sin of ALL man.

Can I make a righteous judgement on that? You bet, and I did, and will again.

I hope all truly born again christians are totally hardened against false doctrine. not only hardened, but HARD ON those who teach it.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11


//No I haven't aka. What I see...//

So, you are the judge?

//...is a hardened brainwashed person, and that leads to a seered conscience.//

At what point does this happen? Again, are you the judge?

//...seer their own conscience. CAN that be reversed? Ask God!//

Again, are you the judge?

//It may help OTHERS understand how awful calvinism is..//

Say what you have to say and disregard any personal attacks otherwise, you are helping those that do not understand Christ to stay away from Christ.

Kathr4453...some may look at your words and say your heart is hardened to the truth in the other direction. From you first sentence, it makes me wonder but it does not want to make me slander.
---aka on 4/16/11


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//Maybe it will help others...Markv?? Nope!//

If you truly believe this, you have negated everything that you claim.

As long as there is the Three,
there is always hope.
---aka on 4/15/11

No I haven't aka. What I see with Markv is, his mind is running ahead at 1000 miles an hour LOOKING for what he can use to attack, twisting our words. Either MarkV purposely twists them or his mind twists them, because he has already been pre-brainwashed.

Markv is a hardened brainwashed person, and that leads to a seered conscience.

Those who listen to men and not God will seer their own conscience. CAN that be reversed? Ask God!

It may help OTHERS understand how awful calvinism is..
---kathr4453 on 4/16/11


Kathr, again you give a lot of religious talk without context, just many things put together. You've denied the Truth many times, that's the bad news. "the carnal mind is enmity against God" Rom. 8:7.
1. "He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth" You say no.
2. There is many devices in a man's heart, nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand" you say no.
3. The One who decreed the salvation of His elect also decreed to work faith in them" 2 Thess. 2:13. you say no.
4. My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure" You say no.
5. "A man's heart deviseth his way, but the Lord directeth his steps" You say no.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11


//Maybe it will help others...Markv?? Nope!//

If you truly believe this, you have negated everything that you claim.

As long as there is the Three,
there is always hope.
---aka on 4/15/11


//We are Justified FIRST by [Jesus']Blood.//

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission.
---aka on 4/14/11

And since the blood of Christ,I wonder exactly what spirit OT saints were ALIVE TO then? The blood of bulls and goats that could NEVER take away sin???


Good stuff, Kathr. I hope it helps.
---Jasheradan on 4/14/11

Based on aka's GEM of a truth, and knowing the Messiah/Christ/Son of God ( all being one in the same was not in the flesh in the OT to die and rise again AND IS WHAT WE place our faith for salvation in.

Maybe it will help others...Markv??Nope!
---kathr4453 on 4/15/11


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Markv is no differennt than those OT people who looked forward to the Messiah, yet when He came, they rejected Him. Those in John 6 who followed Him, but when Jesus told them what REALLY following Him meant, to eat His Flesh and drink His blood, they walked way. That verse means...to be crucified with Christ, to identify in His death and resurrection, to be in blood covenant with Him, not a bull or a goat. To take up your cross and follow Him, leading to persecution and tribulation.

MarkV simply has denied the Son of God who came in the flesh. 1st John call these people anti-crist. Oh they may honor Him with their mouth..talk talk talk, but in life they deny Him.

That's the truth MarkV refuses to see and hear. Alive TO what??.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/11


MarkV, when I say deny Christ, i mean it in the sense of a wife who denies her husband his husbandly rights as a husband or vice versa.

Oh they may be married ON PAPER, but if the vows are not consemated, there legally is no marriage.

Christ is comming only for thse who have not denied Him access into your life. I'm talking about the Christ of scripture who came in the flesh, died in the flesh, shed HIS BLOOD and rose again FOR your justification.

Being deluded that YOu are the elect, and that alone is where your faith is, is sad.

The elect have the evidence of CHRIST being IN THEM. That's the only way you can prove you are one of the elect.

Many are alive TO Christ, but are not Alive IN CHRIST and He IN YOU.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/11


Kathr, I didn't forget. I can only answer your nonsense one point at a time. You put out so much, I cannot catch up. Here is one, that unbelievers are not in unbelief. Or that those who are dead in sin can come to Christ or this one, that the Day of the Lord, is not the same as the Day of Christ. Who else is Lord? Your opinions are very bad, opinion="a belief based not on certainty but on what seems true or probable" But it is not "truth" Truth on the other hand =, "That which certain, fact or True" And when you die, you will take your opinion with you, but the Truth will remain forever. For His Word is Truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/11


Kathr, you finally said many things correct when you said,

"The Holy Spirit convicts and points to the SON. WE respond and GOD the Father Justifies by Jesus the Son's Blood, and then the life of the SON comes to indwell us, and give us a New Birth IN HIM."

With the exception of ( and gives us a new birth). You wrote it, then you missed it. The Holy Spirit convicts us and points us to Christ. The Spirit makes us alive to Christ. That is the point Kathr. Without the Spirit convicting you and pointing you to Christ, you would never come to Christ. Jesus said you must be born again of the Spirit. He didn't say, you must be born again by Me. We have eternal life through Christ once we believe by faith. Getting closer.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/11


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"MarkV, You fail to separate Father SON and Holy Spirit, also failing to distinguish between Justification and sanctification.
...
THEN we LIVE by the Faith of the SON through the Holy Spirit."
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11

Very fine work there kathr4453, very fine!!!

*********
---Nana on 4/15/11


MarkV, You fail to separate Father SON and Holy Spirit, also failing to distinguish between Justification and sanctification.

The Holy Spirit did not die on a cross, shed His blood and rise again. Nor did the Father. I am not crucified with the Holy Spirit either.

We live by the faith of the SON of God, not by the Holy Spirit. There is the Spirit of the LIFE of CHRIST/SON, and the Holy Spirit.It's the SON who lives in us, it's the SON who we receive.

The Holy Spirit convicts and points to the SON. WE respond and GOD the Father Justifies by Jesus the Son's Blood, and then the life of the SON comes to indwell us, and give us a New Birth IN HIM. THEN we LIVE by the Faith of the SON through the Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


Kathr, Old Testament saints were born of the Spirit, they were made alive to Christ. For no one lost seeks of God. If man is dead in sin, then nothing short of a supernatural life-giving power of the Holy Spirit will ever cause him to do that which is spiritually good. The Bible declares"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" 1 Cor. 2:14. The lost, who are dead in sin, need to be brought to life. Regeneration is a sovereign gift of God, graciously bestowed on those whom He has chosen, and for this great re-creative work God alone is competent. Read also Titus 3:3-5 how He does it.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/11


//We are Justified FIRST by [Jesus']Blood.//

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission.
---aka on 4/14/11


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Good stuff, Kathr. I hope it helps.
---Jasheradan on 4/14/11


MarkV, did you miss this post?
Craig, you forgot Gal.3:22 markV...

MarkV you forgot verses 21-23

This is exactly what I just said:

Galatians 3:21-23
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

That faith is Galatians 2:20-21, I am Crucified with Christ, and THAT is what Paul is explaining in Galatians 3:21-23
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


Galatians 2:20
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


Galatians 3:21-23
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Paul is re-iterating in Galatians 3:21-23 what he already stated in Galatians 2:20-21. and what Paul stated in Philippians 3.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


MarkV, many here cannot stress enough that the Holy Spirit is not the Justifier. God is. We are Justified FIRST by His Blood.

You are saying by being drawn and convicted of the Holy Spirit that that Justified you. NO it doesn't. Once you repent, turning to Christ from being convicted of sin, God then Justifies you BEFORE Christ's live comes to Live in you ANA Born Again.

We are Born Again of the Spirit of CHRIST, not the Holy Spirit of Conviction.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


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MarkV, I said, Those under OT Law, the Law could not bring/give LIFE, yet you have said here again and again that OT people were Born Again.

To be born once in the flesh is to be given LIFE * in the flesh, a life/soul.

To be BORN AGAIN is to be given LIFE by One Jesus Christ alone through His death and resurrection. He alone is the life giving Spirit.

You totally misuse the meaning of Born Again to reduce it to being spiritually drawn or enlightened. Not so. Heb 6, state many can be drawn/ enlightened and TURN AWAY.

Therefore enlightened/drawn VS Born Again are not the same.

So to be enlightened/drawn convicted of the Spirit of Grace, and rejecting THAT is the only unforgivable sin. Also stated in Heb 10..
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


Here are some interesting facts:

Look at the link between John 2:11 and 4:42.

Showing us the replacement of the old system LAW with the new system of GRACE:

wine in place of water 2:1-11

a new temple 2:14-19

a new birth 3:1-21

a new well of water 4:7-15

and new worship 4:16-2.

These all reveal the fulfillment that has come in Jesus, providing grace upon grace 1:16. Jesus came full of Grace and Truth.

Paul said Old things have passed away all things become NEW to those IN CHRIST.

---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


Kathr, Gal. 3:21-24 is talking about those under the law. They can never have life through the law. They need God's supernatural power to bring them to life in Christ. For "But the Scriptures have confined all under sin" That the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe" Those who receive faith is because God has granted them the faith to believe, when they were born of the Spirit. "No one can receive anything except what is given him from heaven" John 3:27. Because all are born in sin. They need God to take them out of that path going to hell. For the law is only our tutor. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/11


Let's not forget this truth. Talk is cheap MarkV, Have YOU been counted worthy? Have you received a manifest TOKEN from God you have Entered? You've answered on line here that you have not!

I have!!!

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

2 Thessalonians 1:4-6
4So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
---kathr4453 on 4/13/11


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John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

MarkV see here, it doesn't say SEE, it says ENTER. Just as Israel had to ENTER the Promise land...Seeing is not entering...

So is SEE another of your bait and switch words???

Luke 18:17
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Again it is RECEIVED as a little Child, and has conditions of WHO can enter in!. Here is proof it's not some magic wand pronounced over any special MarkV and Company,If all you SEE is yourself!

Calvinism really has messed you all up!
---kathr4453 on 4/13/11


MarkV, sadly you fail to see Paul stated flesh and blood cannot ENTER the Kingdom of God. So then, it's more than just seeing it. We enter the Kingdom through Much tribulation..the Fellowship of HIS SUFFERINGS(that you fail to see, showing you have not entered.)

AND you have to be IN CHRIST and HE IN YOU to be in the Kingdom of God.

So I don't know exactly what you think you SEE, but it ain't much!
---kathr4453 on 4/13/11


Kathr, you do all that talk and then ask what it means to be alive to Christ. Then you say that those lost are not in unbelief. If you had read all Jesus said to Nicodemus you would know what born of the Spirit means. What did Jesus say to Nicodemus?

"If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?"

Jesus focused on the idea that unbelief is the cause of ignorance. At heart, Nicodemus failure to understand Jesus words centered not so much in his intellect but in his failure to believe Jesus witness. Like Nicodemus, you do not believe the spiritual things of God. That is why you are all over the place with words trying to find truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/11


This is what was kept secret:
Colossians 1:26-28
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: ------
No one in the OT had Christ IN THEM. No one was Crucified with Christ before He was crucified!
This is what ALIVE IN CHRIST means.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11


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Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, IN THE REGENERATION when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Now here markV is the ONLY other time the word REGENERATION is used. We FOLLOW HIM INTO the Regeneration. Therefore Regeneration is more than just coming alive TO Christ. And one must FOLLOW CHRIST INTO IT? How? Ans: THROUGH THE CROSS, identifying with Him in death and resurrection life.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11


Craig, you forgot Gal. 3:22. markV...


MarkV you forgot verses 21-23


This is exactly what I just said:


Galatians 3:21-23
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

That faith is Galatians 2:20-21...I am Crucified with Christ....and THAT is what Paul is explaining in Galatians 3:21-23
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11


Old Testament saints were alive to Christ, otherwise they would never have believed. They would have been dead to Christ as those who were lost. Also, faith had to be given, they did not have it.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/11

OK WHAT exactly does Alive TO Christ mean MarkV? Itdoesn't mean ALIVE together WITH CHRIST AKA Born Again.

So they must have been alive to the IDEA of the Coming Christ correct?

But then again OT Prophets spoke of the Messiah to come correct. SO those who believed in the Coming Messiah/Christ TO COME, could not be Alive together WITH HIM raised up a New Creature. Correct MarkV.

SOOOO, alive to the Idea of Christ is not the same as Alive IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11


CraigA, absolutely, Just the fact that Israel obeyed the Law of sacrifice was an act of FAITH. or kept the passover, or any of the feast days, or kept the sabbbath...it still showed faith in what was asked of them THROUGH THE Law and Prophets.

Nineveh repented because a prophet came..Jonah.

When we are in heaaven NO FAITH will be required. All the things we had faith in will be realized and fulfilled.

SO NO MARKV, You and christan are the ones twisting the will of God and His word.

Cults cannot debate. They, instead use personal insults, and no scripture to back up their lies. It's becoming an online joke.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11


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#2
So before anyone goes off the deep end saying I said the Law was faith, you're not hearing what I said. FIRST, by Faith Abel sacrificed blood..correct. Heb 11...his act of doing that was faith, it pointed to Christ.

The Law, the tabernacle, mercy seat, blood of bulls and goats,was a more detailed description of Christ. Their faith in keeping the law that pointed to Christ was also by faith.

HOWEVER Christ Crucified and Risen, the fulfillment of what the Law showed and pointed to and our belief that it was fulfilled in the person of Christ IS FAITH now in the PERSON, not a coloring book pattern/description of the pattern of things in heaven. We don't live in the shaddow, but in the Person of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11


3# So markv, we see many here on line showing a faith, that is in the old system. There is no LIFE in that system, no power. They simply don't believe God, that Jesus fulfilled in Himself the Law. The simply don't believe the Blood of Christ once and for all forgave sin, past present and future. They simply don't believe Christ Himself living Through them is a trillion times more powerful a righteous life then their trying to keep in the shaddows of their flesh.

It's not that man can't believe, it's WHAT one believes. If one lost CAN believe in the Law, why not believe In Christ? It's man's failure, not God.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/11


Craig, you forgot Gal. 3:22. "But the Scriptures has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe" Old T. Saints who believed in the Coming Christ by the faith receive the promises. "Confined to sin" here Paul was saying that only saving faith unlocks the door of the prison where the law keeps men bound. "kept under guard by the law" Paul personifies the law as a Jailer of guilty, condemned sinners, on death row awaiting God's judgment (Rom. 6:23). Old Testament saints were alive to Christ, otherwise they would never have believed. They would have been dead to Christ as those who were lost. Also, faith had to be given, they did not have it.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/11


Scripture also tells us that man was kept separate from understand the faith in Jesus Christ that would be revealed afterwards (Gal 3:23). Hebrews tells us straight out that the NEW covenant/testament in Christ was not ALIVE until the death of Christ! That puts every man in the old testament times under the OLD covenant of law. Faith in Gods promises still justified them, but faith the law of sacrifices never gave them new life, nor did it guarantee them the gift of the Holy Spirit. Jesus' sacrifice does!
---CraigA on 4/11/11


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MarkV, here is where you totally contradicct yourself. You have insisted here over and over Adam & Eve were under a covenant of WORKS. Scripture tells us FAITH is not of works therefore Adam & Eve according to you were never under faith. So tell me please how you can come up with a reasoning that fallen man is imcapable of faith? FAITH was instituted AFTER the fall of man, and because of the Fall, FAITH is the Only thing pleasing to God. Because man lost relationship with God in a personal way, HIS WORD, through the scriptures and prophets is how God deals with man....fallen man.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/11


MarkV I know how your mind twists, so I asked you to PROVE through scripture man is born in unbelief. YOU CAN't. It's just your twisted opinion speaking. Adam/ Eve did not need faith,b4 they fell. God was there walking with them.

What IS necessary is TODAY we walk by faith, and belief in promises not yet seen.

God said by the foolishness of Preaching He will save those who believe.

God made salvation so simple. The faith of a CHILD. Can a child believe in santa for gifts,if told there is one? Well then, can we not believe in Jesus Christ for the forgivness of sin if we are told there is one.

If faith is the Gift mark, then what is Jesus? Chopped Liver?
---kathr4453 on 4/11/11


Kathr, if you could just see how wrong you are and the more you fight the will of God the more wrong you get. Now you are saying that every descendant of Adam is not born in unbelief. Here is just one part of what you said,

No one is born in unbelief WHEN fallen man is asked ONLY TO BELIEVE!"
I don't know what religion you have got but it is not the Christians religion. If they are not born in unbelief, why do they need to believe? Hello?
If you need to believe, doesn't it mean you are in unbelief? Twisting words around does not make what you say truth. It is all just more talk.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/11


"God didnt choose me OVER others. "CraigA.


AMEN CraigA. Jesus was Elect Precious...



The CHURCH is Elect, chosen over earthly Israel. The CHURCH is the Body of Christ,Joint Heirs with Christ.


ANYONE in the age of Grace who place their faith in Jesus Christ BECOME a Begotten Son through Jesus Christ, will be joint heirs with Christ. This is what we have been elect to/for.

Jesus said to Israel, who was/is also Elect...you will no longer BE SERVANTS but SONS, and if a SON then an Heir. Where God has sent the Spirit into your Heart crying ABBA FATHER.

Lets keep this in perspective.

Gentiles were never Servants to begin with, BUT are grafted into the promises given TO ISRAEL.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/11


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Was Adam & Eve under a covenant of WORKS or FAITH. If it was FAITH, what was their faith in? That they would live forever if they didn't eat of the tree? Yet, they did sin and WALLA here we have another FAITH to believe...Genesis 3:15.

So The Promise of Genesis 3:15 (we also see JOB believed and had a great faith)as so many before Jesus Death and resurrection...placing their faith IN THE COMING REDEEMER.

The SIN of unbelief is not to Believe Jesus Died for your sin.

No one is born in unbelief WHEN fallen man is asked ONLY TO BELIEVE!
---kathr4453 on 4/11/11


Craig, You get frustrated. You forget just about every question ask on the blogs concerns God, the elect, and lost man. Sure, other questions are ask, but if they are of Scripture, they are about God who is holy and just, and man who is helpless without God.
Second, you say,
"God didnt choose me OVER others. How arrogant and foolish do you think me? I'm ONLY "elect" because I'm hidden in Christ."
Of course He choose you, the others are still going to hell. You don't become elect because you believed in Christ, you were elected by God before the foundation of the world to be in Christ. Arrogant you say, you were not even born yet. And when you were, you were born in sin. God had to draw you to Himself.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/11


The Holy Spirit, is concern in convicting and bringing to faith those whom He has chosen from the foundation of the world.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/11

Again I cannot find any scripture the Holy Spirit convicts and BRINGS TO FAITH the Elect. Another LIE not found in scripture. You really need to watch these guys...

Bringing to Faith or Bringing to LIFE...IN CHRIST/....NOT TO CHRIST.

The Holy Spirit CONVICTS of Sin, points to Christ wherewith WE place our FAITH in that promise God made to forgive sinners through Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/11


I probably don't see all the nuances that others may see, but unbelief is an everyday issue.

Addressing mainly Christians, do they believe that God will supply all their needs, do they believe that God is working everything for good for the believer, do they believe that God disciplines them, do they believe that God has provided a "rest," do they believe that God is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him, and do they believe that God answers prayer? ...and the list could go on. Belief or unbelief will keep a person busy without worrying about other sins. If belief is solved, the problems of other sins should follow.
---Rod4Him on 4/11/11


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The sin of unbelief started in the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve obeyed the serpent instead of God's command. Since then, the fall of mankind was fulfilled and everyone who came after Adam are born in unbelief (dead in sins and trespasses) until the Holy Spirit comes and quicken his heart of stone to the heart of flesh in His specific work of regeneration and conviction.

---christan on 4/7/11

This is another LIE Calvinists believe. All men were NOT born in unbelief...

Abel is a good example. He believed Genesis 3:15, he believed and offered a blood sacrifice...although he was born a sinner.

Find just one scripture that says men were born in UNBELIEF. They were born in sin.
---kthr4453 on 4/11/11


I see you still haven't stopped telling others what they think.

"...you don't think it is fair for God to pull you out of that path"

I'm sorry should I be more self-centered and only think of my own well-being? Did Paul think that way? He wished he were "accursed from Christ for the sake of his brethren". He had the heart of Christ! He was more concerned about others than he was himself. Too bad everyone isnt like that.

"After all, you are one of the elect.... What you don't appreciate is that God choose you over others."

God didnt choose me OVER others. How arrogant and foolish do you think me? I'm ONLY "elect" because I'm hidden in Christ. I am nothing outside of Him.
---CraigA on 4/11/11


mima, there is only one sin that will not be forgiven. This blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is blasphemy against the SPIRIT OF GRACE. John states, Jesus came full of GRACE and truth. He spoke the truth, and that truth being the Gospel of Grace, convicting men of sin. THIS truth is what was rejected. THIS is why all men will be judged by the Gospel, that Jesus died for teh sin of the WHOLE WORLD. The ONLY sin NOW is the sin of unbelief, that Jesus came full of Grace and truth, that men can be saved by GRACE, not LAW, through FAITH not works. It's resistance and rejecting the Holy Spirit, pointing to Jesus. Jesus said, The Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself, but will testify of Me.

GRACE is Christ Crucified and risen.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/11


CraigA-- Who is "cramming predestination" down anybody's "throat"? Christan mentioned this belief, (in one sentence only). He did not elaborate, nor say YOU or any body else, should believe it. This hardly rises to the level of "CRAMMING IT DOWN SOMEONES THROAT?!

Why make an issue of it on this blog?
---Donna66 on 4/10/11


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Sin of Unbelief is very unique sin. It is a sin where by we KNOW what the word of God says, we have NO evidence to the contrary, and yet we proceed to do the contrary.

Itis a sin of rejecting the Holy Ghost, even griecving the holy spirit of truth.

Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Israel could not enter the promise land because of unbelief. They knew the same word as we did

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].
---Francis on 4/10/11


Thanks alan_of_uk. As I said to Craig, I dont get a lot of time for CN so I miss out on following other subjects.

And thanks MarkV. I now know the relevance of predestination to this blog topic.
---Haz27 on 4/10/11


Craig, you cannot escape predestination because everything spoken of in Scripture connects together with predestination. You cannot run away from it if saved. And no matter how much your try to avoid it, you cannot remove or avoid the subject. After all, you are one of the elect, and should be thankful that God made you alive to Christ or else you would still be heading in the wrong direction. What you don't appreciate is that God choose you over others. You rather be heading to hell with the others because you don't think it is fair for God to pull you out of that path. The question posted speaks concerning God's elect. The Holy Spirit, is concern in convicting and bringing to faith those whom He has chosen from the foundation of the world.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/11


Haz ... You only need to read the other replies to see who Crasig was referring to!
---alan_of_uk on 4/10/11


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CraigA
At the risk of going off the topic of this blog, what is the relevance of predestination that you raise it up under this topic?

It will help me with my study.
---Haz27 on 4/10/11


It wasnt you...

relax
---CraigA on 4/9/11


CraigA:
As I'm one of the most regular posters on topics of sin I assume you refer to me. But don't worry, if you ONLY want to hear that Christians still sin you will note there are plenty of other 'Sin' topics I've not posted on. I really don't have that much time on my hands and also have kept out of various 'sin' blogs to let others post amongst a likeminded group.

Many of us though find that challenging blogs encourage us to search scriptures to find the truth. Can I suggest you'll learn more doing this. I did.

For example, your suggestion that I'm into predestination has encouraged me to study it now. It's a topic I've done little study on hence I'm not willing to comment on it.

---Haz27 on 4/9/11


Can we not have 1 blog where someone isnt cramming predestination down everyone elses throat?
---CraigA on 4/9/11


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John 16:8,9
Jesus said:"...he will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: Of sin, because they believe not on me"

That's the only sin scripture says the world will be convicted of.
---Haz27 on 4/9/11


The sin of unbelief is the unpardonable sin
---michael_e on 4/8/11


"Why is the Holy Spirit so concerned with convicting us of the sin of unbelief?"
Because it is the sin that so easily besets us all.
Without faith it is impossible to please HIm, and there is no faith in unbelief.
"Does the Holy Spirit convict us of all sin?" Yes. As Jesus said "when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:" Jhn 16:8 (NKJV)
---Josef on 4/8/11


The sin of unbelief started in the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve obeyed the serpent instead of God's command. Since then, the fall of mankind was fulfilled and everyone who came after Adam are born in unbelief (dead in sins and trespasses) until the Holy Spirit comes and quicken his heart of stone to the heart of flesh in His specific work of regeneration and conviction.

This wonderful work of grace in regeneration happens to only those whom God has elected in His Son before the foundation of the world as clearly taught by Christ and Paul in his epistles.
---christan on 4/7/11


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Does the Holy Spirit convict us of all sin?
I have never seen myself killing anyone.
But I have asked for forgiveness even of this.
So my answer is yes!

I see unbelief as something so much bigger then sinning.
The problem, but its really not a problem. We just cant believe it
I dont see it, in the ones who say they dont believe.
I see it, in the ones who say they believe, the problem that is.
As if the things theyre being told, are against scripture.
But, theyre not, just too unbelievable. Right now!

First, let yourself go!
As Christ, explaining the swords two edges.
Like a light coming, the light overwhelms them.
So, they close their eyes, now they dont see.
---TheSeg on 4/6/11


Yes, the Holy Spirit convicts of all sins, especially the sin of unbelief. The reason for the sin of unbelief is because without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God (Heb. 11:6) - where there is no faith, there is sin (Rom. 14:23).
---Leslie on 4/6/11


Well mima, the devil certainly doesn't convict us of sin, he rejoices when we sin.

And yes, the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin. What do you mean by all sin? Do you mean everytime we sin? or do you mean some sins He does, some sins He doesn't? And how does He know which ones to convict us of? With that said, I vote, "ALL SIN" the Holy Spirit convicts us of.

Question: How can the Holy Spirit convict "us" (Christians) of the sin of unbelief? If we have Him dwelling in us, don't we already believe in Him? I'm not sure if He can convict a believer (you said "us") of unbelief because if you have Him dwelling inside of you, there's no unbelief, right?
---Donna5535 on 4/6/11


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