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How Long For Church Leadership

How long do you think a pastor should wait before allowing new attendees to participate in any kind of leadership position (such as teaching, singing, playing instruments, etc)?

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 ---KarenD on 4/6/11
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Consider this verse:

Isaiah 1:12
When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts
---Cluny on 4/13/11

Isa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,

17Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18Come now, let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
---Trav on 4/14/11


\\By what authority do they so function?
---Cluny on 4/11/11

GOD's.\\

Oh, really?

What is your proof?

Consider this verse:

Isaiah 1:12
When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts
---Cluny on 4/13/11


By what authority do they so function?
---Cluny on 4/11/11

GOD's.

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the "midst of them".
When and if a home Church grows...as they did all across America and other colony's elsewhere....position filling...."with GOD in the midst of them" naturally would come.

Our world loves titles....but a title does not make the title so. Look at our grevious error for pres.
Lot of self elected preachers/teachers etc. Do you fall under them because they claim a title? Not Cluny...not Trav.
I'd rather shine scripture on em.
---Trav on 4/12/11


\\The purest form of gathering i've experienced is a home Church were two or three family's are gathered together. \\

And to whom is this gathering responsible for doctrinal purity?

Who are its presbyters and bishops?

By what authority do they so function?
---Cluny on 4/11/11


There's no such thing as a non-denominational church, mima.

While it might be a denomination of just one congregation, most of them will be found to fit into one of the already existing ones.

Most of their founders said, "Now we'll have a real NT church with ME as the head."
---Cluny on 4/10/11

Man, never heard that put any better.
I couldn't have put my observation of the same into as few of words.
The "head" will always lean towards it's training/indoctrination.

The purest form of gathering i've experienced is a home Church were two or three family's are gathered together.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
---Trav on 4/11/11




Jesus spent three years with His disciples . . . not just studying, but in real life. So, we need men proven in their marriages and with their own kids and with God ("blameless"), so they know how to make a marriage work and bring up children > "for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?" (in 1 Timothy 3:1-10). He needs to learn how to take care of people, at home first, in God's Family caring and sharing way . . . so he can feed this example (1 Peter 5:3) to others.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/11/11


Sag-- My feelings exactly. And sometimes things started with the best of intentions... just fizzle.
---Donna66 on 4/10/11


My feelings of discomfort would be mostly from the fact the occasion was billed as one thing, but the purpose was something else. If I stupidly attended just expecting a nice meal with friends...I would feel quite awkward.
---Donna66 on 4/9/11

I'm sure that that is how a lot of us felt. Oh well, live-and-learn. No church is perfect and no person is either. We just need to learn and move on.
---Sag on 4/10/11


Donna...I have known educated and credentialled ministers who were not from God. That's why God gives us discernment.
---KarenD on 4/10/11


\\ but Matchmaking. That is GOD's job, not the church's.\\

You're projecting western customs..

In the ancient Churches in the Middle East, the priest arranges the introductions.

In Biblical times--both Old and New Testaments--marriages were arranged by the families involved.

** I did however get ordained at a nondenominational church, which I finally distance myself from because of this problem.**

There's no such thing as a non-denominational church, mima.

While it might be a denomination of just one congregation, most of them will be found to fit into one of the already existing ones.

Most of their founders said, "Now we'll have a real NT church with ME as the head."
---Cluny on 4/10/11




Sag-- My feelings of discomfort would be mostly from the fact the occasion was billed as one thing, but the purpose was something else. If I stupidly attended just expecting a nice meal with friends...I would feel quite awkward.

I found that often "singles bible studies" in a church could be the same. Someone who came to study the Bible, primarily, would be disappointed. It felt more like a meat market.
---Donna66 on 4/9/11


Apparently, the women felt uncomfortable with this arrangement too. I would have.
---Donna66 on 4/9/11

Many of the women had children with them. I now understand that many single mothers have suffered through abusive situation. Often the children too. Perhaps there was just a bit of bitterness towards men. It is difficult trusting again after going through hell.
---Sag on 4/9/11


Sag-- Apparently, the women felt uncomfortable with this arrangement too. I would have.
---Donna66 on 4/9/11


I found out that the reason they were interested in ordaining me was so I would recommend their church.
---mima on 4/8/11

I had a similar experience, which relates to the other blog question about "Men & Potlucks".

One church in my area would have Free Lunches and Dinners. It took me a long time to wonder WHY only single people were attending.

It eventually became clear to both myself, and my friends, that the real purpose of these meals wasn't Fellowship, but Matchmaking. That is GOD's job, not the church's.

Funny thing is that the women were not very friendly at the meals. I understand that the church Pastor was only trying to help out, but I felt manipulated and quit going.
---Sag on 4/8/11


After I started witnessing to people these people shocked many pastors by showing up at the church and asking for baptism and membership. Sometimes I attended their baptism. Then within a year or my starting suddenly several pastors and/or churches sought me out to ordain me. But I found out that the reason they were interested in ordaining me was so I would recommend their church . I did however get ordained at a nondenominational church, which I finally distance myself from because of this problem.
---mima on 4/8/11


If they show committment and devotion in the small things (greeting, volunteering) and you seek wisdom from HS about this person as a leader (they have good leadership abilities). Then no time frame. God gives people certain gifts don't push them away because of a rigid formula.
---Scott on 4/8/11


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KarenD, I think you may be missing my point. You said: who is already credentialed we know that he/she has been thoroughly checked and educated in the Bible.

Bible knowledge and Knowing Him, in the Power of His Resurrection is two completely different things. One can have bible knowledge and be credentialed, but that knowledge has to turn into Spirit and Life and come forth from the person in the Power of the Holy Spirit, not in knowledge from being credentialed. That's my point.
---Donna5535 on 4/8/11


Karen

That's great, I recommended you listen to your husbands teaching on this matter and be secure that he is a Man of God implementing God's teaching of Christian leadership into God's Church.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/8/11


iam sure you realize any leadership role has its responsibilities,with those of teaching being among those of most importance. I dont believe there is any given time period which makes one qualified.
---tom2 on 4/7/11


paul...My husband is the pastor and I have no problems with his decisions.

Donna5535....The process to become credentialed with most major denominations is extensive. Even still there are those who fall. I am sure that the disciples had extensive teaching from the Lord himself. He did not send them out unprepared. If a person comes into our church who is already credentialed we know that he/she has been thoroughly checked and educated in the Bible.
---KarenD on 4/7/11


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\\While reading this blog a question occurred to me. On the day pentecost how long did the 3000 have to wait to be accepted ?
---mima on 4/7/11\\

mima, do you understand the difference between being accepted for baptism, and being promoted to leadership, responsibility, and ministry?

The Bible itself makes that distinction in 1 Tim 3:

2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach,

***

6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
---Cluny on 4/7/11


There really is no time limit.
It would depend on how well the individual understands the matterial, and how well he is able to teach.

How many of us went out even before we were baptized telling people about jesus.

Now, when it comes to ordaining ministers, i say 3 years MINIMUM

1 Timothy 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
---francis on 4/7/11


I believe that alot of it is man made rules, and not Godly rules. We are called to give of ourselves in Gifts and Talents to edify the Body of Christ. It shouldn't be about how long a Pastor take to decide your Faith in the Church. Whoever serves me must follow me, and where I am my servant will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me. John 12:26
---Kimbe7395 on 4/7/11


mima between the first revival, and the appointment of the first deacon's there mus have been a time of about 2 or 3 years.
i have experience with this (i prsonally started alot of churches by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and the main mistake i made was to appoint people too early in leaders positions. Jesus trained his 12 disciples(allready believers) 3 years before they where ready to be Apostles. Paul writes in 1tim 3 that they should not be newly converted. so my estimation is between 3 and 5 years before you can appoint them in leadership. for the members to work? about 6 months after their repentance they are ready to start minor tasks and let it then devellop.0 WE do not go into ministry, we grow in ministry.
---andy3996 on 4/7/11


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While reading this blog a question occurred to me. On the day pentecost how long did the 3000 have to wait to be accepted ?
---mima on 4/7/11


//a referral letter from their pastor or a minister credentialled by our denomination would be given different considerations.
---KarenD on 4/6/11//

KarenD, while I respect what you are saying, I have issues with someone coming "with a referral letter" and
"a minister credentialled by our denomination."
What denominatin is that? and what denomination did Jesus and His disciples belong to? None, they belonged to Jesus except for Judas. This person could turn out to be a Judas, you will only know them by their Fruit. Their love for the Lord, not by knowledge or creditenials.
---Donna5535 on 4/7/11


Karen

Just out of curiosity has your Pastor placed someone in a leadership role that your not comfortable with?
---paul on 4/7/11


ive seen more drama in churches than in Hollywood. And in my opinion its not who is qualified in Church but Relationship with Jesus that counts. IVe seen more ministering going on outside the church that qualifies a church leader than in the church.Jesus says for us to Feed his Sheep....right and to love thy neighbor as thy self Amen watch their fruit if it has fruit flys then evidently their Spirit isn't right. As to your question A Pastor that is Holy Ghost filled and led by the Lord will know when to put others in leadership and who to choose if he is a Wise man.
---Lea on 4/6/11


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If your church is more formal and organized like that, Karen . . . I don't think amount of time is the main thing to go by. It might be good to have a six month or one year policy, though, just to keep ambitious people in check. But if someone shows to be very good for leading, and you're satisfied God has given this person to you, don't waste time.

A more family church can have people leading who know and trust each other. And they can feel out people, not just go by amount of time and other outward things.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/6/11


\\How long did Jesus wait to tell the disciples to go and "preach the gospel, heal the sick and cast out demons?"\\

Don't forget, Donna, these disciples were with Jesus 24 hours a day for an extended period before He sent them out.

They were also men He Himself chose.

They weren't just people who wandered in off the streets thinking He was cool and were immediately sent out.
---Cluny on 4/6/11


I believe before a person is given any type of leadership or serving position in a Church, the instructions found in 1 Timothy Chapter Three should be followed.
---Rob on 4/6/11


I believe Donna's comment is the right one.
---shirley on 4/6/11


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Let me clarify. Someone transferring from another church with a referral letter from their pastor or a minister credentialled by our denomination would be given different considerations. There is also an advisory board for the pastor which has input in this decision.
---KarenD on 4/6/11


Karen

People grow and mature at different rates so a time line is not applicable.

But a person should display Christian characteristics and be growing and desiring more in-depth knowledge of Christian leadership.

Not be perfect by any means, but striving for perfection.

Ac 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/6/11


How long did Jesus wait to tell the disciples to go and "preach the gospel, heal the sick and cast out demons?"

Jesus demonstrated to them His power and taught them first, then sent the disciples out two by two.

Remember that they couldn't cast a demon out of someone and asked Jesus why and Jesus said, "this kind only come out by prayer and fasting."

You shall know them by their fruit. A young Christian can have zeal without knowledge and use it wrongfully. A mature Christian can have zeal with knowledge and still have his pampers on. Therefore you shall know them by their FRUIT. The fruit of the Spirit is Love, Peace, Joy, Kindness, patience, long-suffering, self-control, etc.,
---Donna5535 on 4/6/11


Well, if the pastor and his support leaders are mature and reliable at sensing out people, God can bring in needed people in efficient timing with when they are needed and have the leaders identify these people and not have delaying and procrastination (Philippians 1:9).

But I have seen how ones not able to tell who to trust can wait as long as they want, but still make wrong choices, including for marriage . . . long or short engagements can all get bad or poor results. Trust God.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/6/11


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Different churches have different policies about this.

There's a difference between "new attendees" and "neophytes" (newly converted).
---Cluny on 4/6/11


First of all it is not the responsibility of the pastor to make those determinations. A proper church has a board or Elder, Deacons or Church officers masking such determinations accordance to predefined policies or by laws. The Pastor can't do everything and should not be trying to. With sermon preparation, visiting parishioners, the sick and professional meetings to attend or moderate he is busy all ready and is likely working 60 - 80 hours a week just serving the need of the church and members. If serving more than one church there are commuting time in addition. A good pastor must be able to manage and delegate authority.
---Blogger9211 on 4/6/11


It will depend on rather this is a new Christian, then the waiting period should be at least a year or longer depending on what they are doing. (For a teacher it may be up to 3 years or longer, for someone who will be playing an instrument in a church band, a year.) Is it someone transferring to the church from the same culture and denomination, it might be a matter of weeks, but from a different denomination, it may be at least a year or longer depending on what position they want. If from the same denomination but a different culture, it should be at least a year. (Cultural difference can be person from the state of Main who is now in the state of Texas.) A church may already have something in their By-Laws that could help.
---wivv on 4/6/11


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