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5 Year Old Has A Demon

Is it possible for a 5 year old child to be possessed with a demonic spirit (devil) and if so what scripture reference can support the theory? If not what scripture reference supports the opposing view?

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A man must be able to comprehend sin and disobedience to be held accountable for it.

Man is a masculine word that illustrates a mature thinking person, not a child with no concept of sin.

For God to condemn children to hell would be neither fair or just, and that's not Gods nature.

I'll ask you which side of hell is the nursery located on?

God Bless, Paul
---payl on 4/19/11


Paul, I understand where you are coming from but our opinion does not count. All descendants of Adam are born heading to hell. It's not my opinion. God executed that curse Himself after Adam sinned.
"Therefore, as through one man's offense (Adam's) judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through One Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life" Romans 5:18.
I can only go by what Scripture tells me is Truth. Being convicted, we are condemned. The whole race of mankind lie under a sentence. The judgment has been given and recorded against us in the court of heaven, we need the judgment reverses are we sink into hell.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/11


Mark

We are talking about innocent children who have no concept of sin therefore can not be found guilty of it.

Were not talking about mature, rational beings who can conceptualize sin and salvation.

It would be unfair of God to send such to hell.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/18/11


Paul, you said to Cluny,

"That would imply that God is not fair nor just, how can a system condemn someone for them not knowing or having any concept of what they have committed?"

That system of condemnation was put on by God Himself because of Adam sin. All descendants of Adam are heading to hell. They have been condemned already. Romans 5:17. Since God is just and always right, His choosing of Adam as our representative was the right thing to do. "So that through One man's righteous act would result in justification."
What you are indicating is that God would not want them to go to hell, but it was His curse that is sending the descendants of Adam to hell.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11


Sag, do not get me wrong, you are doing great answering. I find nothing wrong in the way you answer. I don't find everything wrong in what you say either. We should be very careful concerning demons. My point is not to teach there is none, but to be careful how much credit we give to them. I said Catholic Church because it has a bigger past that cannot be denied, and we can learn many lessons from their history. Every time you give what you know, we can learn more when we look things up in Scripture. You are right that the child in Matthew had a demon. But as we know many unsaved people do. They need Christ in their life's.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/11




More emphasis is put on demons then on Christ. What many forget is that most of what happens is because of sin.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/11

The Catholic church isn't perfect. No church is perfect. A lot of Pastors, and Attendees, seem to think so.

Whatever church we attend, we should accept the things that are in-line with the Bible.

And when things are not -- like your pointing out that many things occur because of SIN, not demons -- we need to be open, and accepting, of correction, feedback, etc.

I've had many people tell me that I come across TOO HARSHLY on things. So, I still have things to work on.

I wonder when I'll be completely, 100%, PERFECT?
---Sag on 4/11/11


Sag, by your prior answers I recognized you were a Catholic and that you always answer very kindly and never disrespect anyone. Let me also say there is millions of "Charismatic Catholics. The fact is that history tells us that the Catholics were the biggest pioneer's in exorcism, and from there many charismatics from the Word of Faith teachers from the Pentecostal movement have increased the power of demons for almost every thing in life. Now even the cult's who use a form of Catholicism with paganism to exorcise adults and children is very common in latin countries even in many parts here in America. More emphasis is put on demons then on Christ. What many forget is that most of what happens is because of sin.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/11


Cluny

Yes I do actually think I'm right along with most of the followers of Christ Ive encountered or studied.

How do you explain Simeon knowing of God's salvation when he held baby Jesus.

And why was David COMFORTED and willing to move on with peace if it were just to join his child in the grave.

And the old testament is full of passages that foretold a coming Messiah and salvation.

So which pre-exilic writings are you referring to for the Bible is the ultimate authority to me, if it is not to you then this is pointless.

It was Abraham who was looking for a city with no foundations whose builder and maker was God, still OT saint with knowledge of Heaven.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/11/11


Cluny

Getting back to the point of the post you had indicated that children are not under Gods protection until they can stand accountable to Him for sin.

So where is your scriptural evidence to substantiate that?

That would imply that God is not fair nor just, how can a system condemn someone for them not knowing or having any concept of what they have committed?

What is your perception of God?

And I wonder which side of hell the nursery is located, do you comprehend what you are envisioning with that illustration.

I don't understand why we have to negate God to have it our way so often.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/11/11


\\When we are wrong about something it would serve us well to admit it and grow on with it. Yes growon.\\

You don't actually think you're right, do you?

You're projecting Christian ideas onto a pre-Christian Judaism.

\\David was looking for a city whose builder and maker is God.\\

BCV, please.

\\The jews knew of the coming mesiah as well as Heaven.\\

You won't find references to an after-life of rewards or punishments in pre-exilic Jewish writings.

\\With no concept of life after death why would David look forward to following his son into the grave, to rot together?\\

He wasn't looking forward, just being realistic according to his understanding at the time.
---Cluny on 4/10/11




Cluny

What you said is inaccurate.

David was looking for a city whose builder and maker is God.

The jews knew of the coming mesiah as well as Heaven.

With no concept of life after death why would David look forward to following his son into the grave, to rot together?

When we are wrong about something it would serve us well to admit it and grow on with it. Yes growon.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/10/11


Could it be that they have made decisions that they feel to be proper lifestyle methods and inadvertently passed that systematic lifestyle on to their children.

For instance, my mother growing up was a drug addict, I learned that behavior and replicated it for a season in my life.

My sister ,2 years my elder, saw the same behavior and never engaged in it.

So you see one learned it and one learned from it, no demons or strong holds.

---paul on 4/9/11

I agree with you here. I couldn't find any Bible verses to support demons of: Divorce, Martial Unfaithfulness, etc.

As your response shows, it often comes down to our own CHOICES. Just like in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 2-3.
---Sag on 4/10/11


Cluny
You said the Jewish people had little concept of an after life, really?

Ps 11:4 The LORD is in His holy temple, The LORD'S throne is in heaven, His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.

Ps 20:6 Now I know that the LORD saves His anointed, He will answer him from His holy heaven With the saving strength of His right hand.


Ps 139:8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there, If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.


Ps 55:15 Let death seize them, Let them go down alive into hell,


Ge 49:18 I have waited for your salvation, O LORD!
Lu 2:27 Just as Simeon held Gods salvation, the baby Jesus

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/10/11


\\23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

He knew the child knew no sin and couldnt rightfully be punished for it.
\\

That doesn't follow, paul.

Nothing in here about the child going to heaven. Jews didn't have much concept of an afterlife at this point. The MOST you can make of this is that David knew he would eventually follow the child to the grave.

To say otherwise is to project present beliefs onto the passage.
---Cluny on 4/9/11


Sag

Could it be that they have made decisions that they feel to be proper lifestyle methods and inadvertently passed that systematic lifestyle on to their children.

For instance, my mother growing up was a drug addict, I learned that behavior and replicated it for a season in my life.

My sister ,2 years my elder, saw the same behavior and never engaged in it.

So you see one learned it and one learned from it, no demons or strong holds.

I'd be interested in the scripture that points out a divorce demon or a extra marital demon or a alcohol demon etc.

Cant it be that some people simply give in to lust no demons attached.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/9/11


Demons in Family relationships:

I've long wondered WHY children from many families -- both Christian and Non-Christian -- with a history of these things:

Divorce & Remarriage
Extra Marital Affairs
Alcohol & Drug abuse
Domestic Abuse
Gambling
Crimes
Other Immorality ???

often seem to Repeat this sinful behavior in their OWN families. Even after confessing their sins and promising to NEVER repeat things. Still, it often does.

Could it be that a DEMON, or two, has a strong-hold on that person's life? If not, then what could be the reason for what they are doing?
---Sag on 4/9/11


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De 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.

2Ch 30:9 For if ye turn again unto the LORD, your brethren and your children shall find compassion before them that lead them captive, so that they shall come again into this land: for the LORD your God is gracious and merciful, and will not turn away his face from you, if ye return unto him.

Ps 115:14

Ac 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

See how the child is a product of the parents teaching.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/9/11


Me thinks that you give too much power to Satan.
---KarenD on 4/9/11


you must be a Charismatic. many of them see demons in everything.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/11

Not Really! I'm a Catholic.

Several popular preachers -- Jimmy Swaggart, Jed Smock, and John Hagee -- seem to think that Catholism is a "demon". Brother Jed told me that I was doomed to hell.

I'd say that those guys are the ones with the "demons": Hatred, Bitterness, Sexual Immorality, etc.

Even when someone IS possessed by a "demon", we need to be POSITIVE. God loves them, and we are to love them too, and help them get FREE of their "demons".

Demons are in this world because it is Satan's. Jesus Christ came to destroy the works of the devil. Correct?
---Sag on 4/9/11


Sag

The term children was describing adolescent children who from a toddler up had been taught the Word of God.

Mr 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

You see they knew who Christ was and desired to come to Him, therefore they were at a age of accountability to Him.

How is Eph 6 applicable ?

It is our responsibility to teach our children just as the parent had the responsibility in Mr 10:14, but I suppose that demon was upon the boy due to his father allowing it or maybe because something the father had done to curse the boy. IMHO Ridiculous!

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/9/11


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Sag Part 1


I find it interesting that you only posted the part of De 5:9 that supports your stance and not the entire scripture that states the punishment is to those who HATE Him.

There is a difference between sin and iniquity, sin being a transgression of Gods laws and iniquity being not keeping the commandments of God.

So visiting the iniquity is to say that the commandments not kept of the parents and passed down to the children the same punishment will be allotted for the same rebellion to the generations to come who walk there in.

God Bless, Paul

---paul on 4/9/11


Question, Answer, Question, Answer...It's called the Socratic Method. You come to my class with a mind full of Mush, and you leave thinking like a Lawyer.
-- The Paper Chase, Professor Charles W. Kingsfield.

can a demon posses a child which is not of the age to stand accountable to God.

Yes, children -- even 5 years old and younger too -- can have demons. Read: Mark 9:17-21.

Are they under Gods protection from attack.
They are under God's protection as much as the child's parent allow. Why else would the Bible say PRAY over your kids? Read: Ephesians 6.
---Sag on 4/9/11


Sag, you must be a Charismatic. many of them see demons in everything. If your cough is bad, it is a demon. If you have traffic accidents, you must have a demon. If you are getting to fat, it must be a demon of food. You get what I'm saying? Everything is a demon. While there are demons, a genuine believer can never be possessed by any of them. A cough is just a cough, we get them because our flesh can go bad, because of the curse on man. We have to be careful how much credit we give to the demons. In some cases they don't have to do anything to someone, the person is doing it to himself.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/11


Sag

The question was not can a demon posses, we know they can.

But rather can a demon posses a child which is not of the age to stand accountable to God.

Are they under Gods protection from attack as Job was up and until the point that they can stand for themselves.

The scriptures you sited do not substantiate such a clam that at ANY age a demon can posses.

As you pointed out in Matt it does not state whether the person is accountable unto God or his father still yet.

I feel he is old enough to stand before God.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/9/11


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Exodus 20:5, Deuteronomy 5:9 -- I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

An unborn child inherits sin from it's mother. Examples: Demon of Rebellion if the child was unwanted and/or rejected. Demon of impairment if mother was a drug addict and/or alcoholic.

Romans 6:14 -- For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

We DECIDE to follow Jesus Christ and be FREE of demons. It's our CHOICE once we become Christians.


---Sag on 4/9/11


Sag, I agree with you some, but not others. You said:

"I sense that kids are more out-of-control, disrepectful of parents and teachers, etc. Even some 5 year old kid's language "speaks" Satanic words."

That should not surprise you. We don't teach the children how to be evil, they know how to do that already, we teach them how to be good. They are born with a sin nature. Sin is the cause for most of the problems with children and individuals. But we are warned many times about demon teachings, but not demons themselves, but false teachers who are trying to corrupt the word of God. The warnings will get worse close to the end times. 1 Tim. 4:1-7 is talking about false teachers in Ephesus (Acts 20:29,30).
---Mark_V. on 4/9/11


I respect your opinion, but that's all it is. demons at ANY age, please verify with scripture.
---paul on 4/8/11

I wouldn't say that Demonic Possession is either just My Opinion, or just A Theory, as your blog question seems to hint!

People, Christian or Not, can invite demons into their lives without knowing it. Drinking, Gambling, Gossip, etc.

Matthew 17:18 -- Jesus Christ rebuked the Demon and the boy (age ?) was healed.

Matthew 12:22 -- Jesus Christ healed a Demon possessed man.

Ephesians 6:12 -- We wrestle against Spirits of Darkness.

1 Peter 5:8 -- Satan roams the Earth like a roaring lion. Seeking his prey.

1 Timothy 4:1 -- People inviting Demons into their lives.
---Sag on 4/9/11


Sag

I respect your opinion, but that's all it is.

demons at ANY age, please verify with scripture.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/8/11


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Cluny

Im a bit surprised that you would answer a question with a question.
Typically you have a verse in mind pre-comment.

But since you asked I will answer.
When David lost his baby he knew he would see him again in Heaven.

2Sa 12:22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.


He knew the child knew no sin and couldnt rightfully be punished for it.

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/8/11


Donna 5535

Show me 1 scriptural example of such non-since.

A demon entering in through the womb into an infant before birth.

Their are behavioral issues that can be modified with discipline.

We don't have to assign a devil to each problem.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/8/11


References: 1 Corinthians 6:12, 10:23.

It seems that things like Fantasy Games, and the Internet, have take over kid's lives. Just when they should be learning about the world around them, they are caught up in a Virtual Reality world. Examples: Video Games, Dungeons & Dragons, etc.

It is possible for kids -- or anyone at any age -- to pickup demons from these things. Kids are just more vulnerable. And Satan KNOWS that. The fact that some Parents see things, like Video Games, as a way to "Baby Sit" their kids, concern me.

I sense that kids are more out-of-control, disrepectful of parents and teachers, etc. Even some 5 year old kid's language "speaks" Satanic words.
---Sag on 4/8/11


We are talking about a 5 year old child!

You people are scaring me....same mentality as during the Salem trials!!
---Chris on 4/8/11


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No. check with a doctor if this 5 yr old is having problems.
---candice on 4/8/11


Demons can come in through the womb. If a mother has a spirit of rejection, there's a possibility that can be passed into the child.
My sister's little girl was born with a spirit of rebellion and from when she was 2 years old, she would throw forks into her mother's face, tell her mother she hated her, etc., That is NOT normal for a 2 year old. I told my sister, she has a spirit of rebellion. She didn't believe me. Today she is 20 yrs old and tells her father, well I can't say it here, but it's really nasty things...and my BIL is a sweetheart.
---Donna5535 on 4/8/11


paul, as long as you're asking for scriptures to support what I say, please give scriptures for supporting what you said here:

\\If a child dies under the age of being accountable to God for knowing sin and salvation he/she goes to Heaven.\\
---Cluny on 4/8/11


Can he be? Yes, see below.
Is he? As Cluny said: "However, all natural explanations for his behavior should be ruled out, first"

Mark 9:20-24, "and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him, and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child. And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us. Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe, help thou mine unbelief."
---Bruce5656 on 4/8/11


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My thought is this, A child can be influenced but not possessed.

If a child dies under the age of being accountable to God for knowing sin and salvation he/she goes to Heaven.

So if a child is in that age bracket I say they are under Gods protection from satan for they have not yet reached the age to stand alone.

Therefore you cant enter Heaven with a demonic spirit and if a child is under Gods protection from satan I feel they cant be possessed by satan up until the age of accountability when they as Atom and Eve can understand the difference.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/8/11


"It is possible....."
---Cluny on 4/7/11

If you will can you provide some scriptural references to support this theory?

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/8/11


All little kids seem devilish from time to time, some more than others.
---John.usa on 4/8/11


It is possible.....

However, all natural explanations for his behavior should be ruled out, first.

Why are you asking? How is the child acting?
---Cluny on 4/7/11


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Not hardley. The child may have some undisplined parents that don't follow Scripture in their raising.
Eph 6.
---Elder on 4/7/11


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