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God Rested On Seventh Day

God rested on the seventh day (Gen 2:2). Why did He choose the seventh day instead of resting on say the third or the fourth day? Do you think there is any significance in Him resting on the seventh day?

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Leonia,I have spoken in churches in a number of countries, to Anglican, varieties of Baptist, Presbyterian, Uniting, Church of Christ, Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Coptic, and other Orthodox, and a whole range of Pentecostals. I found Adventists did well above average in Biblical knowledge and their dedication to Christ. I think I am old enough, knowledgeable enough and experienced enough to pick the sheep from the goats.

Leonia a reading of your blogs will show you are the one who harshly judges your Christian brethren. I have judged you as you first judged others!

You condemn Adventists for not sticking to Scripture while you do exactly the same thing! What a hoot.
---Warwick on 4/13/11


Leonia, in reality the RC church accepted the then prevailing Aristotelian view of geocentricity, and reinterpreted Scripture in the attempt to make it conform with man's opinions.

You have also accepted today's prevailing scientific philosophy, which cannot be scientifically proved, and reinterpret or ignore what Genesis clearly says in the attempt to make it conform to the opinionss of falible sinful men who weren't there.

You have done the same thing as the RC church!
---Warwick on 4/13/11


Lionia, your last statements is the purpose I'm oppose to their religion. Judgmental attitudes. To be legalistic is very bad. Always living a life condemning others. We are better then you, we keep the Sabbath attitude, and never mention all the other sins they commit. As if doing one, covers all other sins. If they define what "day of rest" means, they will find that on that day, all they can do is rest as Cluny said. If you walk to the fridge, you are not resting. If you go to the store, you are breaking the Sabbath. If you cut your lawn, you break the Sabbath. Even if you are cooking food, you break the Sabbath. How about walking to the toilet? that is not resting. When do they rest? When they go to sleep? Such nonsense.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/11


When did a day of rest become a day of worship?
---Jasheradan on 4/13/11


Dear Leonia
I have studied the truth. I have read the entire Bible in six different versions over 10 times. Having taken classes in theology and Church history not only from the Seventh day Adventist church but from other churches. I have read Kingdom of the Cults, the Four Cults and other complete books against the SDA teachings. As well as speaking and corresponded with Ministers of other denominations. I have read many ofthe Early Church Fathers. My Library includes Commentaries from other denominations.
You have not seen me rant here or making cutting remarks about those who disagree with me.
Let me test a little of your knowledge. Are you Covenant or Dispensational? Calvinist or Arminianism?
---Samuel on 4/13/11




warwick - I fully recognize from the history of religion the church has often opposed science because of their interpretation of scripture.

For instance the Roman Church taught the earth was the center of the universe and pointed to several verses of scripture as proof.

And they condemned those who disagreed with their position.

We could find ourselves with much the same problem based upon our present understanding of scripture.

What I view in the study of scientific origins is what is viewed as theory and theory may be much apart from fact.

So if you were to judge others based upon your limited knowledge of truth you may find yourself viewed as ignorant as those in the old Catholic church.
---leonia on 4/12/11


**you write that I "appear" to support Adventists "because they give you the attention you crave".

You claimed you have addressed their congregations, so birds of a feather flock together, do they not?

Continued association with such heretical sect will find your ability to think objectively diminished. It is much like the old toad in a pan of water. Gradually bring up the heat and he gets cooked before he realizes it.

You should hop out while you can otherwise, there will be no difference between the way you think and them. Already they have taught you to be judgmental of other Christians.
---leonia on 4/12/11


If a law is not applicable to my Christian walk, then do I sin if I break that law?

Since the Sabbath is not commanded of Christians in the New Covenant, and it has not been taught in the early Gentile church, then it is not applicable.

If Sabbath observance were required of the Christian, then we would have the duty and maybe even the right to judge the actions of others on this issue. But Colossians 2:16 clearly states not to judge others on questions of food, drink or regarding a sabbath or new moon celebration.

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

It is amazing that it is even an issue at all.
---leonia on 4/12/11


he finishes what he starts.
---aka on 4/12/11


Ok, the sabbath is a day for us to REST (just as God did).

Why is it wrong for a man to rest on the 7th day (sabbath/Saturday) and go to church on the 1st day (Sunday)?

Francis?
---Jasheradan on 4/12/11




Keeping the Law made none righteous then, or now.

****

PREACHING practicing GETTING others to follow lying spin of Holy Scripture because mortal PROTESTant men SELL disobedience to Holy Sabbath PREACHING lawlessness acceptable because none is righteous - absurd the contradiction

GROSS misunderstanding by following false ministers who with LIES "hey I can do what I want cuz I can't do it right anyway" leading many to sin and contradicting I CAN DO ALL things THROUGH CHRIST

so if ya can't "keep the law" then murdering, lying stealing are all game on?

of course you wouldn't do THAT you argue - because its AGAINST mans law

nothing like talking out both sides of your mouth
---Rhonda on 4/12/11


francis, do you drive your car on the Sabbath?

If you do, then you are violating God's law that forbids lighting fires on the Sabbath.

Exodus 35:3
Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

As you know (or maybe don't), the internal combustion engine works by lighting thousands of fires a minute.
---Cluny on 4/12/11


As people who desire to serve God we do have choices to make, Sme fo the things which may seem right to us will lead only to death.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Sadly the bible does say that God will alow those who do not believe the truth to believe a lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

The choice is OURS:

Romans 6:16 whether of SIN unto DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE unto RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Romans 6:15 shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?

SOME OF US, RATHER THAN CONFESSING OUR SIN, ARE DENYING OUR SIN
---francis on 4/12/11


If we keep or break the Sabbath it is the same result for us. We only have right standing from Christ.

Keeping the Law made none righteous then, or now.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/12/11

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
---francis on 4/12/11


If we keep or break the Sabbath it is the same result for us. We only have right standing from Christ.

Keeping the Law made none righteous then, or now.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/12/11
You do realize that all people have only TWO options:

Romans 6:16 SIN unto death, OR OBEDIENCE unto righteousness?

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?

Hebrews 12:1 let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
---francis on 4/12/11


Leonia, you write that I "appear" to support Adventists "because they give you the attention you crave. Much like a small child put on a stage." You write this amateurish put-down based upon what? Upon nothing. What a nasty petty person you are!

As you have attempted to duck my question regarding Genesis creation I am at liberty to accuse you of blatant Hypocrisy. You accuse Adventists of error claiming they are wrong because Scripture does not support their views. However at the same time you hold views about Genesis which are contrary to the straight-forward meaning of Genesis 1. How did I know you were a hypocrite?

When you point an accusing finger remember there are three pointing back at you!
---Warwick on 4/12/11


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I'm not sure I follow the kerfuffle between Francis and Leonia but the question was why 7 intead of 3 or 4.
We know 7 is the number of completeness and thus the number of the Heavenly Father. God could spoken everthing into existence instantly but his sovereign will was at work, and he is not answerable for 3, 4 or 7 days.
Rest is a term for completion not the fleshly finite understanding i.e. lack of energy as if God needs physical rest.
---larry on 4/12/11


HELLO FOLKS, PLEASE STOP

This discussion is irrelevant.

No one person is righteous. We have all trespassed the Law and are GUILTY of breaking all the Law.

We only have right standing (righteousness) with God because of Christ. It is not of works we can do, lest any man should boast.

If we keep or break the Sabbath it is the same result for us. We only have right standing from Christ.

Keeping the Law made none righteous then, or now.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/12/11


Silly Adventists want to bind believers by the selected laws of the Old Covenant, as they believe they can merit the favor of God but they seek only to sow dissention with His church. leonia

First we do not believe or teach that obeying the law gives merit. That is a false accusation. We believe that love of GOD and our neighbor results in not sinning. That the Commandments of GOD define sin. Romans 3:31 & 7

Second the entire Bible and the Covenant was given to Israel as its custodian. But the Sabbath is for man. Mark 2,27,28

Having read the evidence against E.G W I can say no. But then you belittle those who disagree with you. Is that love to put others down?

Do you believe in once saved always saved?
---Samuel on 4/12/11


The Sabbath was given to them as a sign of the covenant God made with them alone, not with the human race.
---leonia
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

If " Man" means JEW

Then:
1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the JEW created for the woman, but the woman for the JEW.

So all the women should have belong to the Jews.
---francis on 4/12/11


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The Sabbath was given to them as a sign of the covenant God made with them alone, not with the human race.
---leonia
The more you blog, the more of your lack of knowledge shows.
Those in Israel were NOT allowed a day off. God commands that Exodus 20:10 thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates SHould work on the sabbath. A privelege not afford them as STRANGERS in Egypt.
Second: Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

So sabbath IS for all men who wants to covenant with God.
---francis on 4/12/11


---Mark_V. on 4/12/11
It is NOT called the sabbath of Ellen G white or Seventh Day Adventists.

THE TRUTH IS:
it is called: Exodus 20:10 THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD:
Deuteronomy 5:14 THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD:
Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath, my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable,
And it is ONLY on the 7th day.
Pretending that SDA wrote that the sabbath is the 7th day does NOT help you. You need to make every attempt to be IN LINE WITH WHAT THE WORD SAYS.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
---Francis on 4/12/11


De 5:15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

Silly Adventists think that they were slaves in Egypt.

The Sabbath was given to them as a sign of the covenant God made with them alone, not with the human race.

Silly Adventists want to bind believers by the selected laws of the Old Covenant, as they believe they can merit the favor of God but they seek only to sow dissention with His church.

Such is the pitiful plight of the legalists.
---leonia on 4/12/11


**you accuse Ellen White of plagiarism. Some would agree, and others disagree.

Most of the evidence found by researchers including many that were SDA would be enough for any jury to convict her.

As to the Gap theory, evolution, etc. I believe the record says 'in the beginnning God created', however, the account is far too brief and summarized for anyone to make any positive conclusions. I realize that theologians or should I say the religio-types that have little of no scientific background and the scientific community have different viewpoints.

You appear to support Adventists, not on what they want to believe, but because they give you the attention you crave. Much like a small child put on a stage.
---leonia on 4/12/11


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---Mark_V. on 4/12/11
WOW makes it sound like I wrote the commandment to keep THE SEVENTH DAY HOLY.

Makes it sould like I blessed and sanctified THE SEVENTH DAY

READ the bible again.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---francis on 4/12/11


You are passionate in your attack upon Adventists claiming their beliefs are wrong, being contrary to Scripture. I have shown that you are wrong.

So I am wrong about their theory of Investigative Judgment, that cherry picked OT laws are still applicable, that Ellen White was a true prophetess of God, that there are food restrictions on Christians, that the Mark of the Beast is on those who worship the Lord on the Lord's day, that one cannot know if one is saved eternally, that Adventists are the remnant of God's holy people, that God created the world in 24 hour days, and rested on the 7th, etc.

Maybe they have convinced you to leave your brains at the door (you do have one?), that you really do not know what is right or wrong.
---leonia on 4/12/11


Leonia, you accuse Ellen White of plagiarism. Some would agree, and others disagree.

You are passionate in your attack upon Adventists claiming their beliefs are wrong, being contrary to Scripture. I have shown that you are wrong.

However let us now investigate your beliefs. What do you believe about Genesis? Do you allow for the Gap Theory, do you believe God used evolution over vast ages, or do you take it as written that God created over 6 ordinary days with no gaps or evolution involved.

I await your answer. Should you refuse to answer we will know what your beliefs are and judge you accordingly as you have judged Adventistism-Matthew 7:2.
---Warwick on 4/12/11


Francis, you keep asking, which ones do we break? Why don't you ask yourself which laws you break? Then you give the Ten Commandments and none of them say Saturday. So people tell you they do keep the Sabbath but not on Saturday, and that is not good enough and you go on and on. First, stop looking at someone else heart, look at your own. Don't compare your behavior with others, because they do not live the same life as you, or have the same needs as you, or the same tribulations as you. God deals with each one of us differently and reveals things to us differently, and judges us by our decisions no matter if you are SDA or not. In other words, stop been so self-righteous.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/11


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Warwick, I'm disappointed you would join in on this blog as those others who throw the law at everyone as if they were without sin. You have a lot of good things to present, but don't present your members to self-righteousness. Things I hear from Jerry and frances,
"I keep Saturday Sabbath so I'm clean of sin, and you don't, for you keep Sunday Sabbath, so you are guilty of sin" Completely ignoring all other sins they make, with a holier then I attitude. That religion is a self-righteous religion.
As to your response about Ellen White, lets call it what it is, she was the foundation on which the Adventist were formed, just as Charles Russell was for the Jehovah Witnesses.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/11


**She, like the rest of us, was a falible sinful person, who made mistakes. But there is much of value in her writings.

For instance what mistakes did she make? Coping other people works and crediting such for herself?

Yes, there is much value in her writings as she copied much from other authors. But on the other hand, you may say the same thing about the Book of Mormons.

You need to be careful on how you answer this question since you may no longer be welcomed in the Adventist camp.
---leonia on 4/11/11


Let me ask this ONE question and please asnwer.

In view of James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Which of these commandneds if we break is not sin?

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 4/11/11


**Which of these (10) commandments if we break is not sin?

I would say it is #4 since in all the listing of sins found in the NT, breaking the Sabbath is absence.

See Mark 7:21-22 where 13 sins are listed but Jesus does not mention the Sabbath.

See Romans 1:29-32 where 20 sins are listed but not one of them is the Sabbath,

See Galatians 5:19-21 where there is a listing of 15 sins given,again no breaking the Sabbath.

See 2 Tim. 3:1-4 there is a listing of 18 sins, but not once is Sabbath breaking mentioned.

Good sense should indicate to you that if breaking the Sabbath were a sin you would certainly find it as such in the New Covenant, but you do NOT.
---leonia on 4/11/11


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leonia So clearly we are called to KEEP THE LAW because everting in romans 14 is ten commandments:

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

What about LOVE FOR GOD:

LOVE THE LORD THY GOD
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 4/11/11


Leonia you attempt to duck the issue.

You quote Romans 7:6 as though it says we can disobey the 10 Commandments.

Of course we are not saved by Commandment observance, we are saved by the finished work of Jesus upon the cross. Of course we inherit "new life of the Spirit." But that is not the question is it? The question is that despite all this can we disobey the 10 Commandments?

You wrote "we have acquired a new nature in Christ that hates sin. 2 Cor. 5:17." But sin is rebellion against God's commands. Therefore are we not sinning if we disobey the 10 Commandments? They being His specific commands.

Or do you say we can disobey one of the 10 Commandments, but not the others. Why?
---Warwick on 4/11/11


Leonia, as I said before I believe you have an undisclosed reason for your vitriolic attitude towards Adventists.

When I challenged you you made antiAdventist comments which were untrue. You have carried on about vegetarianism as though is is Adventist doctrine, which is isn't. You also made nonsensical comments about Ellen White as though she dictates all Adventist doctrine, which she doesn't. She, like the rest of us, was a falible sinful person, who made mistakes. But there is much of value in her writings.

Do you also contradict those here who oppose God's word upon creation? If you work to expose error, why not? Or do you believe in such as the Gap Theory or Theistic Evolution?
---Warwick on 4/11/11


Let me ask this ONE question and please asnwer.

In view of James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Which of these commandneds if we break is not sin?

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 4/11/11


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Francis **Which one of these do I NOThave the power of God / the Holy SPirit to overcome?

Php 4:13 I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

The road to spiritual growth is a function of the Holy Spirit working within the believer. Howbeit, your sins are covered by the blood of Christ and you are reckoned righteous because of Him.

As for the 10 commandments, suggest you focus on Romans 13:9 which says the sum of the commandments is fulfilled by love of neighbor.

Would you then be any different than the Pharisees who were very careful in observing all the law in as much detail as they could conceive of it?

How do you judge yourself whether you are successful? Do you do the checklist everyday?
---leonia on 4/11/11


Jesus kept the whole law perfect.You can keep one law, the Sabbath, but cannot do the whole law,
---Mark_V. on 4/10/11
Which one of these do I NOThave the power of God / the Holy SPirit to overcome?
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---Francis on 4/11/11


---James_L on 4/10/11
Sorry I did answer some things are not always posted.
Malachi 4:1-3
Revelation 20:10 -Revelation 21 2

In the simplest sence it means that the righteous will be a witness to the destruction of the wicked.
Not that there will be dead bodies in heaven
---francis on 4/11/11


The Hebrew word "Shabath" literally means "Rest". It is found first in Genesis 2:2, and also in Exodus 5:5 and Exodus 23:12. But the word "Seventh" in Hebrew is "Sheba", and not "Shabath", also found in Genesis 2:2, And "Seventh Day" is "Sheba Yowm" in Hebrew, but "Rest" is "Shabath", all found in Genesis 2:2. It means to rest or cease from labor. And it is improper to use "Sheba Yowm"-"Seventh Day" and "Shabath"-"Rest" interchangeably, because Seventh Day is just that, the seventh day, but Rest happens every day and not just on the seventh day.
---Eloy on 4/11/11


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alwayson, The mention of God resting in Genesis 2:2 shows that he is still not creating the heavens and the earth, for after he made the earth and the heavens his masterpiece which he created was complete, but his masterpiece was not static: for the elements within his masterpiece are alive: and the awesomeness of his work is that he the Maker himself also miraculously put on flesh and put himself into his masterpiece in order to glorify the man which he made in his shape.
---Eloy on 4/11/11


James 2:10 kEEP THE WHOLE LAW BREKING ANY ONE OF TEN IS SIN
2 Corinthians 5:21 wE ARE NOT SAVED BY KEEPING THE LAW
1 John 1:9 IF WE SIN AND CONFESS GOD WILL FORGIVE
Romans 6:15 WE DO NOT BREAK THE LAW BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER GRACE AND NOT LAW
Romans 6:1 WE DO NOT BREAK THE LAW JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE GRACE

Botton line: Although we are saved by grace and are not under the comdemnation of the law, we must still continue to obey the law, ( ALL OF THEM james 2) If we break 1 we are guilty guilty of sin, If we sin and confess God will forgive

So your post that says:
Jesus kept the whole law perfect.You can keep one law, the Sabbath, but cannot do the whole law,
---Mark_V. on 4/10/11

IS way off,
---FRANCIS on 4/11/11


According to Bauckham, the post-apostolic church contained diverse practices as regards Sabbath. "In the first centuries the(seventh day) Sabbath had been kept by all Christians.
"That the attention of the people might be called to the Sunday, it was made a festival in honor of the resurrection of Christ. Religious services were held upon it, yet it was regarded as a day of recreation, the Sabbath being still sacredly observed."

Widespread seventh-day Sabbath observance by Gentile Christians prevailed in the 3rd and 4th centuries.

Wikipedia Sabbath

You can check this out.
---Samuel on 4/11/11


f you truely know the scriptures, what is wrong ( or right) with using this verse:
2Co 3:14-16

TO CONTRADICT THESE VERSES

Acts 28:23 ,John 5:46,Luke 24:27
---francis on 4/10/11

Settle down now...perhaps not seeing what you're asking for.
There are no contradictions found.
There are contradictions in "doctrines".
Usually because they do not know,or apply one of the "key" sheep components of the whole book of Scriptures.
Israel. All Israel found 662 times in Bible various usages. Appears to be where you see contradiction.
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
---Trav on 4/11/11


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francis, your foolish putting passages with no context:
1. James 2:10 says if you keep the whole law but one, you broken them all.
2. 2 Cor. 5:21 we are made righteous, because we cannot make ourselves righteous, because we sin.
3. 1 John 1:9 if we confess our sins, shows that we do sin and break the law and can be forgiven.
4. Rom. 6:15, read verse 14, "For sin shall not have dominion over you" we are not slaves to sin anymore.
5. Rom. 6:1, Here because of Paul's past Pharisaic experience, Paul was able to anticipate the major objections of his critics. He had already alluded to this criticism, that by preaching a justification based soley on the free grace of God, he was encouraging people to sin (3:5,6,8).
---Mark_V. on 4/11/11


**We are not saved by obedience to the 10 Commandments. However where are we Christians told we can disobey them?

Ro 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

**Can we commit adultery?Can we give false witness? Can we misuse the name of the Lord?

No, as brothers & sisters we have acquired a new nature in Christ that hates sin. 2 Cor. 5:17

*If not why can we reject the fourth commandment?

It is not commanded of Christians under the covenant of grace, it is however optional.Romans 14:5-6
---leonia on 4/10/11


**Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, AND HE RESTED on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

While the ancients Jews observed the Sabbath, they because of the lack of faith, did not enter into that rest of God. Hebrews 4

4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.
---leonia on 4/10/11


\\TO BE OBSERVED IN HEAVEN: Isaiah 66:22 new heavens and the new earth, Isaiah 66:23 from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me\\
---francis on 4/10/11


66:24 Then they will go forth and look on the corpses of the men who have trangressed against me


You didn't answer, francis.
Do you believe there will be dead bodies in heaven?
---James_L on 4/10/11


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Leonia, I have asked you and others this question before and received no answer. Maybe I will be third time lucky?

We are not saved by obedience to the 10 Commandments. However where are we Christians told we can disobey them?

Can we commit adultery?
Can we give false witness?
Can we misuse the name of the Lord?

If not why can we reject the fourth commandment?
---Warwick on 4/10/11


What Rodman is trying to say is that there is NO record of antiquity of anyone keeping the Jewish Sabbath prior to the time of Moses.
---leonia on 4/10/11
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, AND HE RESTED on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

There is also No record of God warning agaist hmosexuality but look at what happened to Sodom

Every Bible book has a theme.It is NOT the role of the book of Genesis to point out the law of God, that is reserved for Deuternomy, yet all Ten commandments, dietary laws, are in Genesis.
---francis on 4/10/11


NO record of antiquity of anyone keeping the Jewish Sabbath
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simply because there is no such thing as the "jewish sabbath"

rcc established sun-day as their sabbath BOLDLY telling world that they KNOW there is nothing in Gods Holy Word that changed the Sabbath or "discontinued" Gods Holy Sabbath which he commanded to be observed forever ...only mortal reasoning men OUTSIDE of rcc attempt to claim Gods Word says otherwise

rcc knows that by disobeying Gods Holy Sabbath you are hers not Gods ...you can claim you belong to xyz christian sect but reality is rcc established sun-day as her day ...no other religion can make this claim because NOTHING supports this from Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 4/10/11


COMMANDED BY JESUS: Matthew 12:12 .
EXPECTED BY BE FOLLOWED BY JESUS:
Matthew 24:20
Commanded by Paul:Hebrews 4:10 qne4 ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Kept in NT: Acts 13:42 the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44

KEPT IN NT:Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made,

OBSEVED IN NT: Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,

TO BE OBSERVED IN HEAVEN: Isaiah 66:22 new heavens and the new earth, Isaiah 66:23 from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,
---francis on 4/10/11


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Adventists totally lack support for Sabbath observance in any of the records of the early church writers.
---leonia on 4/10/11

You have never been more wrong:

The Catholic Mirror Sept. 2, 1893:
The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher..

THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION:
We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their teachings.
Peter R. Tramer. Editor

People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-Day Adventists" Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
---Francis on 4/10/11


What Rodman is trying to say is that there is NO record of antiquity of anyone keeping the Jewish Sabbath prior to the time of Moses.

In any case, it is very clear that observancing the Sabbath was not commanded of the church - at least there is NO verse in the NT that even hints of a command to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

Furthermore, Adventists totally lack any support for Sabbath observance in any of the records of the early church writers.

Of course, they truly love to be like the chief enemies of Christ - the Sabbath keeping law promoting Pharisees. If such hated Christ, what can be expected of those who would follow Christ?
---leonia on 4/10/11


For what it's worth, the sabbath was never kept before Moses.
---Rod4Him on 4/10/11
Wrong. See Genesis 2:2-3, Genesis 26:5,Exodus 5:1 with Exodus 16:23-29 All ccured before the 10 commandmnts were given.

Jesus kept the whole law perfect.You can keep one law, the Sabbath, but cannot do the whole law,
---Mark_V. on 4/10/11
FOOLISH STATEMENT:
James 2:10
2 Corinthians 5:21
1 John 1:9
Romans 6:15
Romans 6:1

francis: "Whie these feasts have been fulfilled by Jesus and are no longer manditory,.."
There are still a few more prophesies concerning the end times that need to be fulfilled.
---Steveng on 4/9/11
AGREE 100% I only listed a few things pertaining to the SANCTUARY
---francis on 4/10/11


For what it's worth, the sabbath was never kept before Moses.
---Rod4Him on 4/10/11


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Jerry, you again are so wrong. Leonia is correct. You want the believer to do the very same things Jesus did and that is impossible. Jesus kept the whole law perfect. The reason He did was because no one could keep the whole law. No one could be saved. You can keep one law, the Sabbath, but cannot do the whole law, if you could, then you didn't need the perfect works of Christ to save you. That is our faith, that Christ died for us, and that we believe in His perfect works on the Cross for our salvation. You don't believe that, you want everyone to do the law perfect and be saved, but that is not possible. Why can you not see this?
---Mark_V. on 4/10/11


\\This verse: Romans 14:5 has nothing to do with the sabbath mentioned in the ten commandments.\\

"for until this very day at the reading of the Old Covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is lifted in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over thier heart, but whenever a persom turns to the Lord, the veil is lifted...where the Spirit is, there is liberty" (2Cor 3:14-16)


\\the word of God promises that even in the new heavens we will have the same sabbath
Isaiah 66:22-23\\

Verse 24 says men will look at corpses, too. Do you think there will be dead bodies in heaven?
---James_L on 4/9/11


francis: "Whie these feasts have been fulfilled by Jesus and are no longer manditory,.."

The only things that were fulfilled by Jesus were the prophesies concerning him. There are still a few more prophesies concerning the end times that need to be fulfilled.
---Steveng on 4/9/11


Many christians continued the observance of passover, penticost, and other feast. Whie these feasts have been fulfilled by Jesus and are no longer manditory, it is not a sin to observe them.
So while some christians see these days as important, others do not.

This verse: Romans 14:5 has nothing to do with the sabbath mentioned in the ten commandments.

God himself hallowed, blessed and sanctified it, the word of God promises that even in the new heavens we will have the same sabbath
Isaiah 66:22-23

Thus the apostle did not" Make common" that which God has made holy.

You know I noticed that christians no longer regard anything as holy anymore
---francis on 4/9/11


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God, after creating for six days, rested. But he did more than that: he blessed the 7th day, sanctified it, and hallowed it. So that time period is holy. No other time period in the week has been made holy.

Those who observe that time period are worshiping God as the creator:
Jonah 1:9 I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.

Isaiah 43:15 I [am] the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Revelation 14:7 worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, [that] the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, He giveth power to the faint,
---Francis on 4/9/11


**Did Jesus obey the Old Testament or not? Did Jesus customarily keep the Sabbath Day holy or not? Should we follow Jesus' example or not?

Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

If you follow the Jesus of the Old Covenant you have fallen from grace for the law cannot be your savior.
---leonia on 4/9/11


One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
---James_L on 4/9/11


Leeonia: "There is nothing in the New Covenant that commands the observance of any day by the Church."

SO WHAT???

Where is the scripture that says that only those things ratified by the New Testament are valid for Christians? Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament or not? Did Jesus obey the Old Testament or not? Did Jesus customarily keep the Sabbath Day holy or not? Should we follow Jesus' example or not?
---jerry6593 on 4/9/11


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Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:

Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath, my holy day, the holy of the LORD,
Exodus 20:11 The LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

The TIME period is BLESSED BY GOD, and claimed by God as HIS HOLY DAY.

We as humans cannot make anything holy, and God made that TIME period holy. It is nice to try to give God a day, but the bible reveals that God has selected His own day, and blessed it and sanctified it.

Are you missing out on what God has blessed?
---francis on 4/9/11


The Hebrew calendar begin after the nation of Israel left Egypt.

Exodus 12:1-2 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, This month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you.

And I suspect that since their calendar was a lunar calendar, they had to adjust it from time to time.
---leonia on 4/9/11


"He wasn't finished." And God did not *need* rest because of being tired, because God is self-sustained in almighty power which has not tired or worn out since all past eternity, and so we can be sure His love in us won't break down > "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9) Resting means, then, that He stopped doing work of creating. But Jesus says, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." (in John 5:17) So, God did not stop working, after the sixth creation day (c: And Jesus told that man, on the Sabbath, to carry his bed, which the Jews considered to be working on the Sabbath > John 5:7-15. So, do whatever Jesus has you do (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/9/11


Leslie: "According to the Bible, 7 is the number of COMPLETENESS. That means NOTHING missing or broken."

Also in the bible 3 is the number of completeness - God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit (God, man, and spirit). But I wouldn't waste time in numerology because numbers mean diffeent thing in different cultures throughout the world. Besides, numerology is used by mostly astrologers and the like. Besides, seven years of drought is not completeness.
---Steveng on 4/8/11


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candice: "We donot know the true sabbath day since the calander we have today is not the same as OT times. (name wise)it just was the 7th day."

On the contrary, the seventh day can be determined by learning from the Jewish people. God rewarded the jewish people when they were good and punished them when they were bad. God would not reward them if they were not observing the Sabbath on their calendar. When a person overlays or lines up the gregorian calendar over the jewish calendar you'll find that Saturday is indeed the day of the Sabbath. Simple, eh?
---Steveng on 4/8/11


candice **He rested after making everything. We donot know the true sabbath day since the calander we have today is not the same as OT times. (name wise)it just was the 7th day.

Even if we did know the day of the week for the 7th day, its observance was given ONLY to the Jewish nation as a sign of the covenant God made with them.

There is nothing in the New Covenant that commands the observance of any day by the Church.

While most Christians meet for communal worship on the Lord's Day,we do so only because of the tradition established by the Apostles & their successors.

2 Thess. 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
---leonia on 4/8/11


He rested after making everything. We donot know the true sabbath day since the calander we have today is not the same as OT times. (name wise)it just was the 7th day.
---candice on 4/8/11


He worked 6 days. When the work was done, He rested. Simple. Work first, then rest. The whole reason for resting is because you've worked. Otherwise, you're resting all the time. He rested on the 7th because His work was done. Therefore, I set aside Sunday's as my day of rest & to worship Him my Creator. Sunday's is His day in my home.
---Reba on 4/8/11


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It is interesting that each day of creation concluded with an "evening and a morning" except the 7th day.

Would this mean that God is still resting from His creation?
---leonia on 4/8/11


According to the Bible, 7 is the number of COMPLETENESS. That means NOTHING missing or broken.
---Leslie on 4/8/11


Maybe he chose the seven day in order for the Seventh-day Adventist church to have a thread to cling to.
---mima on 4/8/11


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