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What Was Before The Earth

So much of what we know about God is centered around the earth and humans, but what did God do before He created the earth?

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Cliff, that Jesus is the Son does not confer innequality. Son, daughter, father are human terms and all are equal, made equal by God.

Jesus and the Father, both called Creator, Saviour, Redeemer, The Alpha and The Omega, therefore equal. In The NT both are called Ho Theos, therefore equal.

Contrary to your beliefs Jesus is not a creature but Creator of every thing ever created-John 1:3, Colossians 1:16.

You tried to slip Revelation 3:14 past us endeavouring to show that 'arche' means Jesus had a beginning in time. If so Almighty God also has a beginning in time-Revelation 1:8
---Warwick on 4/18/11


**Lee, you speculate about the number of stars, and "other worlds that may very well have life on them." Pure speculation!

Any scientist worth his salt will tell you the probability is extremely HIGH there is life on other planets. You truly tie God's hands when it comes to creation by your poor interpretation.

While I fully believe in each and every word of the Bible, it is your fallacious interpretation that is rejected.

As for the flat earth, have you ever heard of the 4 corners of the earth?

Re 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth,...

See also Rev. 20:8.

The ancients believed you would fall off the edge of the world if you sailed too far west.
---leej on 4/18/11


Warwick ... You accuse Lee (you mean Leonia?) of "speculating" about the number of stars? Most strange that you are unable to accept the magnitude of God's creation ... growing greater, them more we discover about it!

Where does the Bible say that there is no life on other worlds?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/18/11


Lee, you speculate about the number of stars, and "other worlds that may very well have life on them." Pure speculation!

Then you show your contempt for the word of God calling your speculations "facts of this nature" and useing this speculation to undermine what Scripture actually says!

Then not content with speculation and contempt you create a straw-man. Those who disagree with you are called science hating flat-earthers. The truth is that thousands of highly qualified scientists happily accept 6 24hr day creation. They say you are wrong.

Where does God's word say the earth is flat?
---Warwick on 4/18/11


Warwick, You seem to be well acquainted with the "word" yet stumble over the simple things. IE The fact that scripture says "Son" and "Father" show an unequal standing in relationship and time. Son is NEVER before father chronologically, socially or positionally!
You cannot be alone if you are "with" mentioned twice Jn.1. simple English (or Greek for that matter)
hoTheos and Theos are 2 where does it mention HS?
The simple things confound the wise!
Although Arius was railroaded he was right!
Christianity is not numerically superior!
---1st_cliff on 4/18/11




"As there are over 300 sextillion stars in the numerous galaxies"

How many zeros in that number please?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/18/11


What was God doing prior to creating the earth?

As there are over 300 sextillion stars in the numerous galaxies, it is probably that God was creating other worlds that may very well have life on them.

Of course facts of this nature flies in the face of those who believe that God created the stars on the 4th 'day' and limits that 'day' to a 24 hour period.

However, the light from many these stars takes years to reach earth.

But there are those that hate the scientific community preferring to a religion that believed the earth was flat and our sun (also a star) was not the center of our solar system.
---leonia on 4/18/11


Cliff, John ch. 1 establishes Jesus The Son as eternal God, The Word, a separate person within the Godhead. As Creator He was obviously "with" The Father and The Holy Spirit, creation's beginning. Not created, but the Creator of every thing created!

Regarding Revelation 3:14, nothing supports your view (text or footnote) in my NIV, or KJV Bibles or commentaries. The authoritative Greek-English Lexicon of the NT-Arndt and Gingrich, says 'arche' here means 'first cause.'

Architect is derived from 'arche' and Jesus is Creations Architect!

The OT shows God is the First and the Last, the beginning and the end. Relevantly in Revelation 1:8 'arche' is used in relation to God Almighty, who has no beginning.
---Warwick on 4/17/11


1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---michael_e on 4/17/11


And I had nothing to do with it.
---Warwick on 4/15/11

You didn't. GOD draws those he wants. He uses who he wants.
You are not GOD,contrary to what you've told yourself.

7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

The part hard for you is, you have a corner market....but don't have the market cornered.

We/i all rejoice that any atheist has found truth.

He probably found more than you....but, then he was a seeker/tester by profession and action.
Adopting shepherd title does not make them one.
2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words ...
---Trav on 4/17/11




Who plants the seeds is not the point, .....---Warwick on 4/15/11

Ha, it was your first posted point "you" and highlighted intent. Scrambling to clean it up into something else...well...not priceless. And you've got your reward for.
Job 41:15
His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, arrogancy,the evil way, and froward mouth, do I hate.
Proverbs 13:10
Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Proverbs 11:2
When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
---Trav on 4/17/11


Warwick, The KJV for one,also NIV footnote says *can mean 1st in point of time.(of course trinitarians will poo poo this)
Jn.1 does not say Jesus was not (begotten)created, only that He was "with" the father in the beginning!
The beginning of what?
The beginning of creation, do I have to draw a picture???
Again what does "with" mean??
---1st_cliff on 4/17/11


Alan, my point, is that any Christian following Jesus' commands will not behave like Cjmybad's 'Christians.'

The Stalin quote shows how belief in Darwin and rejection of God destroyed any vestiges of morality Stalin had.

It was Darwin who decreed Australian aboriginals were not human but missing links. This introduced institutionalized racist attitudes towards them, leading to their deaths and persecution.

I do not know if Smalley rejected 6-day creation. I do know he became a Christian initially believing God used evolution. As he learned more he rejected this false idea. Did he,before his untimely death in 2005 also reject long-ages? I plan to find out
---Warwick on 4/16/11


Cliff you are such a character, so funny. You doubt I will answer you when I am still awaiting an answer to my question of 15/04!

"Cliff, In what Bible version does Revelation 3:14 say the first thing God did was to create a Son?

Having a "reality check" what John 1:3 says is that Jesus the Son is not created, unless of course He created Himself! "Through him all things were made: without him nothing was made that has been made."
---Warwick on 4/15/11

---Warwick on 4/16/11


Warwisck ... It is not a fair argument to imply that all evolutionists, or Darwinists, or even all athiests, are like Stalin.

And it is interesting to see that Rick Smalley did not agree with the 7-day creation.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/16/11


Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Revelation 4:8 ...Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Gen 1:1a In the beginning God..
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
-He just was. What else is there for the almighty, all-knowing God?
---micha9344 on 4/15/11


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Warwick, Seems like a kinda foolish question (Jesus creating Himself).
Jn. 1 says Christ (Logos) was in the beginning, obviously after being "begotten" by the Father. From then on "all" things were created by both.'
Remember Jn.1 says that Theos was "WITH" Ho Theos!
Is that not "2" (you can count that on one hand!)
What does "with" mean??
Why do I get the feeling that you won't answer?
---1st_cliff on 4/15/11


Cjmybad, are your 'Christians' following Jesus' commands?

Conversely the evils I mentioned are natural consequences of atheism which claims there is no God therefore morality is not absolute.

Stalin said "Reading Darwin had an enormous impact on me. It corroborated my defiance of God ..inspired me to systematically break all the Ten Commandments, which I now realized were only chains. Though I had stolen and lied before, I now stole and lied with a higher purpose freedom of self... the effects on my political philosophy were equally lasting. Historians .. may even conclude that Darwinism + Leninism = Stalinism.
Richard Lourie, 1999. The autobiography of Joseph Stalin. Counterpoint,
Washington D.C., p. 36
---Warwick on 4/15/11


Interestingly Dr Rick Smalley, once ardent evolutionist delivered an anti-Darwinist address at Tuskegee Universities 79th Annual Scolarship Convocation/Parents Recognition Program, in 2004 and received a standing ovation. He concluded that "Genesis was right."

Smalley began his Christian life believing God used evolution (theistic evolution) but changed his mind over time. He concluded that "Genesis was right."

It excites me, but not others, that he made the trip from darkness to light. And I had nothing to do with it.
---Warwick on 4/15/11


Jerry thank you for your comments. There is a saying- As you travel through life, keep it as your goal, to keep your eye upon the donut, and not upon the hole.

To me the "donut" is that the Chinese atheist I wrote about, and Smalley the scientist, came to saving faith in Christ. As 1 Peter 3:15 says "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." Christians are told to do this and we do it in the hope that the 'seeds' sown will be watered and grow into saving faith in our Lord Jesus.

Who plants the seeds is not the point, but some Christians fail to do this, preferring to whinge about those who are doing it.
---Warwick on 4/15/11


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Shame on you.
Warwick is working for the Lord - you are working for the Lord's enemy! ...
---jerry6593 on 4/15/11
I am like the alpha & omega - a sacred remnant of God, in that I can judge others and even condemn them if they do have share the same truths as I see them.
---jerryjerky on 4/15/11


The best answer to this question can only be obtained from God because no human being was around.
---Adetunji on 4/15/11


Shame on you.
Warwick is working for the Lord - you are working for the Lord's enemy! ...
---jerry6593 on 4/15/11

Kneel at your masta's feet. I'll chastise a wolf.
He markets himself,to give weight to his doctrines.
The marks of comission are not found by... his scriptures avoided.
Even Balaam was used by GOD as well as Pharaoh.
Both were proud of themselves too.
It is fine he got credit from an evolutionist. Let the evolutionist tell it. Then it might have some merit.
Is selfserving tool otherwise.
Luke 20:46
Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, love greetings in the markets, highest seats in the synagogues, chief rooms at feasts,
---Trav on 4/15/11


His name was Dr Rick Smalley, an ardent evolutionist...

Happily for some mean-spirited individuals I had nothing to do with it.
---Warwick on 4/15/11

Rick Smalleys quote in Wiki:...even though almost 2000 years have passed since the death and resurrection of Christ. Although I suspect I will never fully understand, I now think the answer is very simple: it's true. God did create the universe about...
.... 13.7 billion years ago, and of necessity has involved Himself with His creation ever since. The purpose of this universe is something that only God knows for sure, ...

Thank you GOD for the Late, Rick's Smalley. His testimoney statement and scientific work.
---Trav on 4/15/11


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atheist, "The fool has said in their heart, No God. This thereupon know, that in final days the people will be mockers, desecrating speakers, unholy, slanderers, not lovers of good, stubborn, puffed up, pleasure-lovers rather than God-lovers: and of these turn away from. Blessed be you all when that malign you, and will persecute and say all evil word against you, lying falsely, on account of me. Rejoice and raise high, that the bonus plenteous yours in heaven: for so they persecuted the prophets, them before you."
---Eloy on 4/15/11


Cliff, In what Bible version does Revelation 3:14 say the first thing God did was to create a Son?

Having a "reality check" what John 1:3 says is that Jesus the Son is not created, unless of course He created Himself! "Through him all things were made: without him nothing was made that has been made."
---Warwick on 4/15/11


I think right-minded Christians are thrilled to hear of anyone, atheist or no, who comes to understand ours is a God of forgiveness. And then accepts that free gift of forgiveness.

Some few months ago in Creation magazine there appeared the story of a sceptic professor of Chemistry, winner of the Nobel prize in Chemistry in 1996. And numerous other scientific awards.

His name was Dr Rick Smalley, an ardent evolutionist who was challenged to reinvestigate evolution and found it to be "bad science." This lead him to revaluate the Bible and as a result accepted his Creator and Redeemer Jesus Christ.

Happily for some mean-spirited individuals I had nothing to do with it.
---Warwick on 4/15/11


Trav: "You were basking in your own glorious light so much you messed up the last sentence!"

Shame on you. Warwick was fulfilling the gospel commission to preach the word, and to tell what the Lord has done. And you seek to find fault with that because you disagree with his Bible-based conclusions on Creation. Warwick is working for the Lord - you are working for the Lord's enemy!

Let's hope that YOU don't "mess up" any sentences in the future. We'll be watching.
---jerry6593 on 4/15/11


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Atheist ... last time you wrote you said you did not believe eloy exists. Now you seem to think there are at least two of him. Are you going to apologise to either for your previous doubt on the issue?
---Pedant on 4/15/11


Warwick you said

What has atheism brought us other than nihilism, racism, persecution and situational ethics?
Are you kidding? I see more of this in Christianity than in any nonbelievers. Did we get morals from the old testament? Need some persecution examples?
---cjmybad on 4/15/11


Eloy,

Could you check in with Eloy and ask him to explain what he just wrote.I do not understand how any of that proves anything about anything other than Eloy is manifestly self adsorbed in his own conclusions.
---atheist on 4/14/11


Existed-
Perhaps enjoying the praises.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them.
---char on 4/14/11


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Larry,
I do not say this with pride but with happiness.

With God nothing is possible.
---Warwick on 4/14/11

Wow, that self congratulating inspiring message would make any Atheist walk on coals to get converted.
Who wouldn't want to be your trophy.
You were basking in your own glorious light so much you messed up the last sentence!
Luke 20:46
Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, the highest seats in the synagogues, the chief rooms at feasts,
---Trav on 4/14/11


The concluding sentence in my last post should have read-With God nothing is impossible. Quite funny!
---Warwick on 4/14/11


According to Rev.3.14. the first thing God did was to "beget" (create) a Son to share with him in the creation of "all" things Jn.1.3.
not because He was lonely but to share in the joy of creation!
According to scripture they created 100 million angels,certainly not in a couple of hours...(reality check)
---1st_cliff on 4/14/11


atheist, you have great proof that Eloy exists, for the manifested reality is the writing here which is evidenced to be written by a born-again Christian proven by the holy content of the words, just as you also have great evidence that God exists in the fact that visible, physical, recordable, manifested, supernatural miracles happen every single day to both believers and nonbelievers alike. And when people accept this tangible reality many times people will change from disbelieving to believing, based merely on their undeniable experience, "I was blind but now I can see, I was lost but now I am found, I was crippled but now I can walk, I was deaf but now I hear, I was dead but now I am alive, et cetera and et cetera."
---Eloy on 4/13/11


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Larry, last year I received an email from an activist atheist who was once attending church to learn how to better undermine Christianity.

Some years ago I had preached a Creation Evangelism message there and he says we spoke afterwards. He says I challenged him to rethink his reasons for rejecting belief in God. He says he did so and this lead to his later acceptance of Jesus as his Creator, and Saviour.

This is exciting enough but even more so is the fact he is now in Christian ministry!

Last year I went to hear him give an evangelism message at a local university.

I do not say this with pride but with happiness. The same happiness I would experience to hear of Atheists conversion. With God nothing is possible.
---Warwick on 4/14/11


// I would think that if "God" exists "He" would, if so talented to create the universe, have taken care to create "Angels" that would be well behaved and not require any management whatsoever.
---atheist on 4/13/11 //

You mean well programmed little robots? Is that what you'd like to be? Maybe that's what you are - a left wing liberal secular humanist puppet.

I prefer the God we have, as He created us free moral agents with the ability to love Him or not as we choose.
---jerry6593 on 4/14/11


Warwick, the pretzel logic of atheists is as much interesting as it is sad.
Atheist must assume God exists in order to argue against him.
In a world where life emerges from a primordial soup there is no such thing as a value of "well behaved" or for that matter right or wrong.
The atheists uses the value of a moral agent to argue against its existence. Nuts!
---larry on 4/13/11


Leonia, in reality the RC church accepted the then prevailing Aristotelian view of geocentricity, and reinterpreted Scripture in the attempt to make it conform with man's opinions.

You have also accepted today's prevailing scientific philosophy, which cannot be scientifically proved, and reinterpret or ignore what Genesis clearly says in the attempt to make it conform to the opinionss of falible sinful men who weren't there.

You have done the same thing as the RC church!
---Warwick on 4/13/11


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I do believe "Eloy" exists. But of course I have little proof of that. It could be someone with the name "Fred" that is seemingly demonically possessed but unfortunately out of control due to an excess of drugs, sex, and rock and roll, and a pitiful attempt at self-redemption after finding "God" while listening to the "Mothers of Invention" played backwards at half speed after eating too many cheetos. Or other similar explanations.

I am just saying.

Trav, after I meet 1 will I meet 2. I can already count to 19 without taking my shoes off.
---atheist on 4/13/11


Atheist of course you do not know how the universe originated because you were not there.

God (not god) was there and therefore is in an absolutely unique position to tell us how, and why it originated. We Christians choose to believe this and this faith comes with forgiveness, and a great assurance about where we will spend eternity. We openly admit we accept God, and His word by faith but it is a wonderful positive thing which has transformed the world.

What has atheism brought us other than nihilism, racism, persecution and situational ethics?

Why do you feel the need to ridicule others who accept the promises of God? Are you deep down afraid, and wanting to be convinced of the Truth of our God and Saviour Jesus?
---Warwick on 4/13/11


Alwayson,
Before G-d created The Earth and the Universe. He was living in Heaven along with the Angel etc. as He is now.


(Welcome back Athiest!)
---John on 4/13/11


I do not believe in atheist. Can any body give proof that atheist exists? It could be that the words written with the name atheist here came into being by a Big Bang millions of years ago.
---Eloy on 4/13/11


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He was busy with a civil war between His angels, for one thing.
---jerry6593 on 4/13/11

Hey good observation Jerry.
Atheist will meet em personally...at present rate one of these days. Could be not to distant.....blaspheming is a low front seat ticket.
Fearless logic, teaches his kids the same. Who can help? Only 1.

Matthew 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, then he shall reward every man according to his works.
---Trav on 4/13/11


Warwick,

I don't know how the universe "popped" into existence. I don't know whether or not it was just always there in one form or another.

Imagining a "God" that created it adds nothing to anyone's not knowing, but does provide an excuse for the mentally lazy to stop wondering about the question, and eliminates the need to admit that we cannot know everything.

Jerry,

I would think that if "God" exists "He" would, if so talented to create the universe, have taken care to create "Angels" that would be well behaved and not require any management whatsoever.
---atheist on 4/13/11


If we are not TOLD what God did before, it means we DON'T NEED TO KNOW!
---Peter on 4/13/11


Hey Atheist you believe the universe popped into being all by its little self some billions of years ago. What was happening before that?
---Warwick on 4/13/11


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A theist, buddy, you're back! How've you been? Missing us Christians, I'd bet.

Solitaire? Doubtful. It would be no challenge for Him. He was busy with a civil war between His angels, for one thing.
---jerry6593 on 4/13/11


Trav,
What did he do before that, play solitaire?

Inquiring minds want to know?
---atheist on 4/12/11

All you have to do is ask. GOD. My GOD...your discovery.
Ecclesiastes 3:11
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Isa 47:10For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee, thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

11Therefore shall evil come upon thee, thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: ... desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.
---Trav on 4/13/11


Trav,

So the planning took six days.

What did he do before that, play solitaire?

Inquiring minds want to know?
---atheist on 4/12/11


We don't know what he did but we do know the heavens were there and the countless numbers of angels whose primary purpose is praise.
It appears the angelic rebellion was shortly before creation but who knows.
I am an old earth creationist but that's an argument for another day.
---larry on 4/12/11


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**Leonia, how revealing that you would judge the works of God through the eyes of falible sinful men (scientists) who were not there, and in reality know very little.

At least the scientific method states that an experiment should be able to be duplicated in order to be verified. However, church leaders, especially the Roman Church, has been on the wrong side of scientific truth since its formation.

History tells us that much for those who can read.

What is wrong with you anyhow? Starting to show your old age? maybe a little on the senile side that you make war against Christians who do not live under a rock.
---leonia on 4/12/11


My goodness people, it was a joke.....

Relax a little
---Jasheradan on 4/12/11


Leonia, how revealing that you would judge the works of God through the eyes of falible sinful men (scientists) who were not there, and in reality know very little.

Am I anti science, not at all as I have worked in research and development using te scientific method. however I know the difference between the ever-changing speculations of man and God's unchanging Truth.

I suppose you also believe in billions of years and evolution?
---Warwick on 4/12/11


Jasheradan-I don't think you still need an answer to the question you asked at 7yrs. old. But to keep you from obsessing about it, here's what I would have told you.

God was never a child. He has existed forever. He lived before any men and women on earth. Thus He didn't need a Mommy or Daddy.
---Donna66 on 4/12/11


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Jerry,

And so how long did this creation planning take?
---atheist on 4/11/11

6 days. Yours appears to have been an accident to us...but, then even pharaoh was needed for a purpose.

I mean you could just be dirt enhancer or some may believe fuel for the fire?

Your lots of fun anyway....it's spring and you've slithered out again.

Romans 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

You bite our heels we'll do our part.
---Trav on 4/12/11


busy with other things I imagine. however he made the earth for us, so it is here we should focus on since we're made in his image.
---candice on 4/12/11


Before God created the earth, He was busy creating other universes.

Scientists (Dec. 2010) have now estimated that there are over 300 sextillions stars in the universe and that some of these stars have planetary systems similar to ours.

From a probability standpoint, this may mean that there may very well be life on other planets.
---leonia on 4/12/11


I don't think there is a BEFORE for God.

God exists always, and I assume (though I may be wrong) that God sees all time as present (for not doing that, as we do, mean we are cut off from the past, and only remember it, and cut off from the future, which we do not know). I think God is so completely complete that He sees all time as a continuous now

Just an idea of course
---Peter on 4/12/11


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Jerry,

And so how long did this creation planning take?
---atheist on 4/11/11


Jasheraden, you say you haven't yet received an answer to the question you asked as a child "Who is God's mommy and daddy?"

As an adult do you still consider the above question deserves an answer?
---Warwick on 4/12/11


Before Jesus created the earth, he created the heavens. THE God, AND YOUR God, is the Beginning: and prior to God is nothing. He is from everlasting to everlasting. "Before the mountains were born or you gave birth to the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, you God." Psalm 90:2.
---Eloy on 4/11/11


Ask the Lord. He'll tell you.
---Jasheradan on 4/11/11


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Jasheraden, Is your a serious question?
---Warwick on 4/10/11


I dont think about that yet.

I still havent gotten an answer to the question I asked when I was age 7.

"Who is God's mommy and daddy?"
---Jasheradan on 4/9/11


Who can know the mind of Christ in such matters.

And what does it matter?
---sum1on on 4/9/11


**What did God do before He created the earth?He planned creation.

You should be more concerned about what God is planning to do.

Heb 4:13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Of course you can always tell Him you observed the Old Testament Sabbath but I rather doubt that will get you anywhere.
---leonia on 4/9/11


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What did God do before He created the earth?

He planned creation.
---jerry6593 on 4/9/11


Statements such as" God said let there be light and there was light" indicate to me that his creation is from nothing. Now this is a hard concept, we cannot see nor understand this concept, but still this concept has some footing in our mind. So I believe God started with nothing(I in expressing personal belief) and God started with nothing and ended up with something a something being his creation.
---mima on 4/9/11


Yes God's secrets belong with Him, and our Father shares what is His, with His children (c: But unsharing people can have unsharing ways of understanding God's word.

Jesus says He shared with our Father in His glory - - - "the glory that I had with You before the world was," Jesus *prays* in John 17:5. Before the earth was, our Father and Jesus were in such beautifully wonderful sharing of love together. God was so pleased with His Son Jesus, that He wanted to have more like His Son. So, God created this earth as His place to reproduce and bring up children pleasing like Jesus is > "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/9/11


In the things concerning God and his kingdom there is no room for speculations,for all that God intended for us to know is wriiten in the Bible. it is clear that much of what God was doing in heaven before the creation of the heavens and the earth was not written, i guess that is for us to know when get to heaven. but something remarkable is reveal to us of what he did before the creation of the earth.HE BROUGHT HIS SON FORTH, whom we know as Jesus Christ to day.colossian 1:15,proverb 8:22-31,john 5:26.ii) endow his son with his glory John 17:5.iii)empower His to create the world and all that is in it Eph 3:9,Colossian 1:16
---pst_kings on 4/8/11


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Well Jesus said, Before Abraham was, I am. So He had Jesus with him, right? He had the angels in heaven (lucifer was his leading worship angel) and fellowship with them, right?

I was going to say something funny and say, "he was manufacturing medicine for migraine headaches because He knew we'd be giving them to him DAILY...lol. Kidding of course...we give him headaches, but God doesn't need medicine!
---Donna5535 on 4/8/11


In short, if you cannot find it in the Scriptures, don't go probing into something God does not want you to know. Stay away or there'll be consequences to being a busy body. And this, He tells us

"The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." Deuteronomy 29:29
---christan on 4/8/11


I'm sure He will reveal this in the World to Come.
---Cluny on 4/8/11


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