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Why Jesus Had Treasurer

Why do we think that Jesus was poor yet he had a treasurer?

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why does your church have a treasurer?

Anyways, Scripture never says he was poor or rich. But it does say he went from town to town preaching the gospel of the kingdom. He had thousands of people following him, though most to see the works he performed, but there were disciples whom needed to be feed. A passage that is interesting is when he tells the young rich man who desires to know how to gain eternal life to go and sell all he has and give it to the poor and follow him. I believe this tells us what he did with the finances he did have.
---willa5568 on 6/19/11


The Seq, you have missed the best part!!
Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
=Blessings
---micha9344 on 6/19/11


Why do we think that Jesus was poor yet he had a treasurer?
---tinashe on 4/9/11

who said he was poor? the very fact that he had a treasurer said he was not poor
---francis on 6/18/11


"For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich." (2 Cor. 8:9)

This is why many think Jesus was poor while he lived on earth. They misunderstand what's really being said (2 Cor. 8:9), i.e., Jesus, as the Son of God in Heaven, is rich beyond imagination. But, when he became the God-man on earth, he put off his heavenly riches & became a lowly (yet sinless) man who prepared the way of salvation for believers in him so that we, thru/in him, would be rich.

So, the foregoing Scripture hasn't anything to do with Jesus' monetary wealth (gold, frankincense & myrrh) on earth.
---Leon on 5/2/11


I won't Mind. Agape to you :)
---Samuel on 4/20/11




Never mind Sam! :)
---Leon on 4/18/11


When you say "low paid" what do you mean? Do you think a skilled carpenter's pay in that day wasn't well above that of a common day laborer, a domestic worker, etc.? What do you base your statements on other than opinion? Leon

On research I have done and others have done. Domestic worker were often slaves and had no pay at all. the word is tekton 1) a worker in wood, a carpenter, joiner, builder 2) any craftsman, or workman

From what I have read this was a higher paid then a regular day laborer. In today's money this person would be making anywhere from 10,000 to 18,000 dollars a year.

You can be confident all you want. But no scripture proves your point correct.
---Samuel on 4/18/11


Sam: What you're saying is inacurate. The gold, frankincense & myrrh were gifts given to Jesus, not to Mary & Joe.

When you say "low paid" what do you mean? Do you think a skilled carpenter's pay in that day wasn't well above that of a common day laborer, a domestic worker, etc.? What do you base your statements on other than opinion?

Since God sent Joe & family to Egypt, I'm confident He made a way for them to communicate in foreign languages by way of an interpreter or perhaps God gifted them to speak in tongues.

Your strawman arguments are illogical. Live off of Jesus' gifts? No! Live off of Joe's skill as a carpenter? Yes!
---Leon on 4/16/11


Samuel: So you're saying, even though God sent Joseph & family away into Egypt (Matt. 2:13), the Lord didn't make any provisions for their well-being? I find that impossible to believe! I don't think God would've told Joseph to go if Joe didn't have the resources to do so. Instead, I believe God made a way for Joe to work & support his family while they were in Egypt.
Leon

But Joeseph did have resources provided by GOD. Gold, Frankinscene and Myrr which he could sell.

As for being a carpentar you need to study the time period to understand that carperntars were still low paid individuals. Also did he speak egyption or latin which would be necessary to work in egypt? We do not know.
---Samuel on 4/15/11


Samuel: So you're saying, even though God sent Joseph & family away into Egypt (Matt. 2:13), the Lord didn't make any provisions for their well-being? I find that impossible to believe! I don't think God would've told Joseph to go if Joe didn't have the resources to do so. Instead, I believe God made a way for Joe to work & support his family while they were in Egypt.

Joe wasn't just a "manual laborer". He was a "skilled craftsman" (carpenter). He likely was capable of building & repairing homes, making furniture, etc. His skills would've been in high demand wherever he went. But, more important than his abilities, God made a way for Joe to provide for himself & family.
---Leon on 4/15/11




because the BIBLE TELLS US SO.
a treasurer is someone who takes care of the fundses of any organisation. rich or poor. our church receives less then 10 dollars a month and still we have a treasurer. for Jesus to have had a treasurer it's only part of a normal organising skill that Jesus had. remember he was a travelling ministry and food was not multiplied miraculously every day.
---andy3996 on 4/14/11


Was Jesus Perfect?
Who tells people to do, what they dont? There a name for this.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luk 9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money, neither have two coats apiece.

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had all things common.

Mar 10:23-25 And this is what I believe.
Not imposable, harder!
---TheSeg on 4/14/11


Does it make any difference how much wealth Jesus did or did not have? He came to do His Father's will, which He DID do.
He sought the kingdom of God first.
---Donna66 on 4/13/11


Dear Leon

You can believe that. But Joseph was a manual laborer. While he could work and support his family. That does not mean that he could pay for a trip to a land where he might not be able to find work nor have a way to pay to get there.

Neither one can prove our point.

I discuss this only because some wish to make JESUS rich so they can still from Christians to make themselves rich.

Having money does not mean you serve Mammon. The parable of the rich man and the life of Zaccheus shows us which is the proper use of riches.
---Samuel on 4/13/11


//^^^^ THIS!// Gesundheit,Jasheradan!

(his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.) John 4:31-...the disciples were urging him, saying, "Rabbi, eat." But he said to them, "I have food to eat that you do not know about." The disciples said to one another, "Has anyone brought him something to eat?" Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work...

Mat 6:24 "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Funny how the Lord knew what master would be served by the earthly treasurer (accountant, bookkeeper)
---aka on 4/13/11


Looking at the situation on a small scale Cluny, just maybe Joseph used some of the gold (belonging to Jesus) to defray the expense of their travels to & from Egypt. However, this view assumes Joseph didn't have the money to support his new family. I don't believe that!

The bigger/clearer picture shows Joseph was financial prepared to marry & support Mary, & a child. Also, being a "just man", I don't believe he would've used the God-sent gifts given to Jesus. I believe Mary & Joseph both were in awe & understood the gifts were for Jesus' use when he grew up. Therefore, they safeguarded them for that day to come. That's what I believe! :)
---Leon on 4/13/11


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//If the guy could produce a coin in the mouth of a fish and feed thousands with a bagged lunch, he was obviously in no need of an earthly treasure or treasurer.//

^^^^ THIS!
---Jasheradan on 4/12/11


I agree Cluny most was probably spent on supporting them in Egypt.
---Samuel on 4/12/11


\\So, I think Mary & Joseph saved Jesus' gifts for his later use... :)
---Leon on 4/10/11\\

At least some of them--the gold, frankincense, and myrrh--is preserved on Mt. Athos--the monastery of Philotheou, I believe.

And might not some of them have supported them during their Egyptian sojourn?
---Cluny on 4/11/11


A treasurer kept account.

Like today Judas as many modern prospertiy preachers do stole from the account to enrich themselves.
---Samuel on 4/11/11

Little Judas's. copeland,swaggart,haggee,robinson,duplantis,warren,henegraffpuffed up world travelers etc,etc,etc.
All make merchandise out of Christ.
2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
---Trav on 4/11/11


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Thank you aka good point.

The word for the occupation of JESUS and his family is used for skilled day laborers. Which mean they could build a wall or repair and make things as a carpentar. But were too poor to own land.

Today we would call them working class poor.

When people gave them gifts to help others and sustain their ministry which in scripture was often women. A treasurer kept account. Like today Judas as many modern prospertiy preachers do stole from the account to enrich themselves.
---Samuel on 4/11/11


Ms. Donna: Jesus' family may not have been rich, but I believe the Bible hints they weren't poor either. I think God blessed Joseph to be prosperous in his own carpentry business & his family was likely middle to upper class.

Many people back then made money as fishermen, farmers, shepherds, domestic workers, etc. But, Joseph was in a class of people considered to have "special skills & crafts", i.e., builders, stonemasons, carpenters, woodcarvers, glass workers, potters, etc.

The size of Joseph's family (wife, sons & daughters) is a testimony to his success in the carpentry business. So, I think Mary & Joseph saved Jesus' gifts for his later use... :)
---Leon on 4/10/11


John
Mat 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
Mat 27:29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
Mat 27:30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
Mat 27:31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
---TheSeg on 4/10/11


Cluny: It wasn't Mary Magdalene who anointed Jesus with the Spikenard/myrrh. It was Mary, the sister of Lazarus & Martha. Jn. 11:2
---Leon on 4/10/11


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when I was president of my 8th grade class, we had a treasurer. When I was in high school, our junior achievement group had a treasurer. Neither group had a treasure. It was somebody to keep track of the fiduciary ins and outs.

Jesus did not have a treasurer. The teacher and his disciples did. To have one in a group was never uncommon.

If the guy could produce a coin in the mouth of a fish and feed thousands with a bagged lunch, he was obviously in no need of an earthly treasure or treasurer. But, he became one of us. i challenge any of you (with lack of witness) to find any group that deals with cash who does not have some sort of a treasurer.

BTW-The US has a Treasurer and trillion $ deficit. Where is the treasure?
---aka on 4/10/11


leon-- I was only guessing that He didn't still have these gifts. We have no way of knowing. His family was apparently not rich...thought perhaps they used the money for other expenses.
---Donna66 on 4/10/11


Remember, His robe was so nice that the soldier's gambled to see who would get it. That doesn't sound too poor to me.
---Reba on 4/9/11

Reba, this Robe was not his own. It was placed on Him by Herod Soldiers. It was a royal Purple Rob. Purple was very expensive then.
---John on 4/10/11


When they cast lots for His garment you can be assured it was no cheap rag~
---1st_cliff on 4/10/11


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Gen 22:8
Luk 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

If they were rich, why doesnt it say lamb?
How would it look for a rich man, only to give two birds?
Just buy one, there!

Lev 12:8 And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles (Think its turtledoves), or two young pigeons, the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.

I understand not bring one because of trip.
But not buying one? Them being rich and all!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 4/10/11


\\Where did Mary (sister of Martha & Lazarus) get the Spikenard? \\

Mary Magdalene is NOT the Mary of Bethany, sister of Martha and Lazarus.
---Cluny on 4/10/11


2 Corinthians 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


---Cluny on 4/9/11


Apples of Gold.... Cluny. Thanks.
---Trav on 4/10/11


Ms. Donna: Yes, getting money wasn't a problem for Jesus. (Matt. 17:24-27) But, why do you think he didn't have access to gifts given to him, in infancy, by the wise men?

Where did Mary (sister of Martha & Lazarus) get the Spikenard? (Jn. 11:2) Spikenard & myrrh is very expensive: In today's dollar, retail cost of a pound of spikenard mixed with myrrh would cost about $2K. For common laborers in Jesus' day, that was a year's wages.

Myrrh was a customary burial oil. Spikenard alone wasn't. Jesus said Mary anointed him for burial. That implies myrrh was in the spikenard. So, the amount of myrrh & spikenard given the baby Jesus probably was atleast a pound ~ the very pound Mary used.
---Leon on 4/10/11


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Certainly some people contributed to the support of Jesus and/or His ministry, as He went along. But whether He had a lot or a little, he probably would not want to take time paying bills and keeping accounts. Even if He had only a small amount, it would have been foolish to carry it on His person. Having a "treasurer" is just good common sense.

I personally doubt He still had access to the expensive gifts He received at His birth.
But we are talking of Someone who could create anything He really had need of. It seems a moot question to me, whether He was rich or poor in this world's goods.
---Donna66 on 4/9/11


Not only did Jesus have a treasurer, but He let the devil take charge of the finances. Think about it, Judas was possessed by Satan himself when he betrayed Jesus - so it would stand to reason that Jesus allowed the devil to control the finances. This is NOT to say that money is of the devil, just that Jesus allowed the devil the opportunity to take control over the finances (that's how much FAITH Jesus had).
---Leslie on 4/9/11


2 Corinthians 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Still think Jesus wasn't rich, tinashe?
---Cluny on 4/9/11


Good question Tinashe! Too spice things up a bit, I have a question that may explain your question: What happened to the gold, frankincense & myrrh* presented to the baby Jesus by the wise men? (Matt. 2:11)

*Note: Myrrh (balm of Gilead), was equal in weight value to gold in ancient times & was used as a perfume, incense & medicine.

Personally, I don't believe the wise men traveled a great distance & searched Jesus out only to present him with a gold coin, & a small amount of frankincense & myrrh. Instead, I believe they lavished Jesus with their gifts.
---Leon on 4/9/11


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Just because it said He was poor does not mean He had nothing. Besides, compared to what He left in heaven to come down here, anyone would rightfully say He was poor. The wealthiest person on earth would be considered poor compared to the riches in heaven. "he became poor(came to earth)so that we could be rich(become children of God). That's just another way you can look at that verse. Remember, His robe was so nice that the soldier's gambled to see who would get it. That doesn't sound too poor to me.
---Reba on 4/9/11


During His earthly sojourn, in His human nature, He called nothing His own.
---Cluny on 4/9/11


(c: He used Judas to be His treasurer. And we know that Judas was stealing money (John 12:6, 13:29). So, how much He had is open for guessing, unless you are inspired by the Holy Spirit to know!

The Bible says, "My cup runs over," in Psalm 23:5. Through this I see a prophesy of how Jesus on the throne is our Cup running over with Heaven's own Spirit of love, flowing to us (Romans 5:5). Having God and His own love is our number-one prosperity (Genesis 15:1, 1 Timothy 4:8, 6:6-11).

I can see that Christ's "treasury" was a financial cup running over to others, not holding on to much, at any time, but flowing like a river through His bag right on to others. If you dam the river, you drown your town!
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/9/11


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