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Which Mary Anointed Jesus

There are several Mary's in Jesus' life. Which Mary was it who anointed Jesus?

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 ---alan8566_of_uk on 4/11/11
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Never mind Alan! :) You guys are like a blind man, sitting in a dark room, looking for a black cat that isn't there.
---Leon on 4/19/11


Allan, in the world we live in, many people use words they may here other people use, but have no idea what the words truly mean.

Do you know what the word "ANOINTED" means?
---Rob on 4/18/11


All Cluny have written is how the Ancient Commentaries interpreted the texts.

"because people like Jerome & Augustine said so, that makes it so?"

I don't, but they were far more likely to deliver what the mind of the Ancient Church was. Do you believe that just because you say that Lazarus' Sister was the only one who anointed Jesus and that only one single anointing occurred, then it is so? Only YOUR interpretation matters?

All you have given us is how you interpret the data in Scriptures. Numerous ancient theologians, bishops, teachers, etc did the same, but arrived at a different conclusion. I myself would rather trust their conviction, instead of any 21st century spin on Scriptures.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 4/18/11


Leon ... On reading the correspondence here, I see that Cluny has given straight answers to the questions raised, while you appear to be intent on creating discord.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/18/11


Never mind Clooney!
---Leon on 4/17/11




\\ Other than that, I have no intention of going down the commentators rabbit hole with you because, frankly, I really don't care about what they said\\

In other words, you don't have the foggiest idea what they said, but you're going to sit in judgement of them anyway.
---Cluny on 4/17/11


Cluny: I didn't ask you whether or not the anonymous commentators you dug up were trustworthy. That's a relative term that has broad ramifications & could mean most anything.

Again, "my question" to you is do you believe what they said parallels what Scripture says? Other than that, I have no intention of going down the commentators rabbit hole with you because, frankly, I really don't care about what they said. But, I do care very much about what the Bible says!

Can you please answer the question? Otherwise, there's no need to pursue it any further.
---Leon on 4/17/11


\\ Regardless of whether the commentators were Greek or Latin, do you believe what they said parallels Scripture? That's the question Cluny. Can you please give me a straight (non-evasive) answer to it?\\

Yes, I believe they are trustworthy. Certainly more so than later commentators.

Now, it's your turn to answer MY question. Please tell me where the ancient Greek commentators disagreed with the Scripture, giving specific verifiable quotes.
---Cluny on 4/17/11


Alan: Regardless of what Cluny's anonymous, ancient commentators say on the subject, what does the Bible say? That's the real issue driving your original question.

I believe Scripture shows Mary (sister of Lazarus...) was the only person who anointed Jesus "for burial" on "ONE", not three separate ocassions, i.e., Lk. 7:36-50, Jn. 11:1-2, Matt. 26:6 & Mk. 14:1 (in the home of the pharisee/healed leper named Simon). I believe the disciples were present, but not mentioned in Lk. 7. In turn, the disciples (specifically Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon) were mentioned, but the pharisee Simon wasn't even though he was there.

Connect the dots! :)
---Leon on 4/17/11


Leon ... read back and see all that Cluny has said. Three anointings, but two were by Marys and one by unnamed woman
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/17/11




"The ancient commentators see this as three separate anointings..." 4/11

These are your words Cluny. Regardless of whether the commentators were Greek or Latin, do you believe what they said parallels Scripture? That's the question Cluny. Can you please give me a straight (non-evasive) answer to it? Otherwise, nevermind!
---Leon on 4/16/11


\\So, you believe because people like Jerome & Augustine said so, that makes it so? While commentators (old & new) comments are interesting & contain some valuable insights, they don't supersede what Scripture actually says.\\

Actually, Jerome and Augustine were LATIN.

I said GREEK commentators.

In any case, what did they say that goes against Scripture? Please be specific, giving verifiable quotes from them where they conflicted with what the Bible says.

\\Who were the three different Marys, referred to in Scripture, who anointed Jesus?\\

Actually, it was only TWO different Marys--of Magdala and Bethany--and one woman simply called "the sinner".
---Cluny on 4/16/11


Sorry I overlooked your "Pre-reformation Greek ones" reply. The eyes play tricks on me sometimes. :)

So, you believe because people like Jerome & Augustine said so, that makes it so? While commentators (old & new) comments are interesting & contain some valuable insights, they don't supersede what Scripture actually says.

If you believe in three separate anointings of Jesus, what would've been the significance of such? Who were the three different Marys, referred to in Scripture, who anointed Jesus?
---Leon on 4/16/11


\\Never mind Cluny! You obviously don't have an answer.
---Leon on 4/15/11\\

As I recall your question was which ancient commentators distinguish the three anointings as being done by three separate women.

I answered with by saying the Greek pre-reformation commentators.

Why won't you accept this answer?
---Cluny on 4/15/11


Never mind Cluny! You obviously don't have an answer.
---Leon on 4/15/11


\\Cluny: WHAT?! :) No, "BTW", you're saying that! Would/can you please answer my question & not side-step it? Thx!
---Leon on 4/13/11\\

I answered your question, Leon. I'm sorry you don't like the answer you got.

What answer did you expect or will you accept?
---Cluny on 4/15/11


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Cluny: WHAT?! :) No, "BTW", you're saying that! Would/can you please answer my question & not side-step it? Thx!
---Leon on 4/13/11


Mary, sister of Lazarus Anointed HIm on at least two occassions, in Bethany and in Nain.
In Nain she "stood at His feet behind Him weeping, and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head, and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil." Luk 7:38
Documented in Jhn 11:2 "It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick."
Bethany's anointing is documented in Jhn 12:3 "Jesus came to Bethany...There they made Him a supper, and Martha served...Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair."
---josef on 4/12/11


Mary Magdalene and Mary mother of Zebedee's sons intended to anoint Him after His burial but never had the opportunity.
"Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him." Mar 16:1
But the Angels asked them " "Why do you seek the living among the dead?" Then explained "He is not here, but is risen!" Luk 24:5,6
There is no record of either of them making an attempt to anoint Him before He died.
---josef on 4/12/11


John 12

1Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2There they made him a supper, and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
---Lea on 4/11/11


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\\Which of these Mary's was the sister of Martha?\\

Mary of Bethany.
---Cluny on 4/11/11


Which of these Mary's was the sister of Martha?

Mary Magdelen is named as the Mary who went to Jesus' tomb.

I remember a drama put on at my church, where Mary, Jesus' mother, and Mary of the ointment, and Mary Magdelene, were all the same person!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/11/11


BTW, Leon, are you saying that modern commentators 2000 years removed from the culture and time the Bible was written are preferable to those who actually lived closer to the era of its composition?
---Cluny on 4/11/11


\\By the way, what "ancient commentators" are you referring to cluny?\\

Pre-reformation Greek ones.

The "muddle of the Marys" seems to be attributable to Pope Gregory I of Rome, who is also responsible for identifying St. Mary Magdalene as a prostitute, which NONE of the Eastern Churches (even non-Chalcedonian ones) believe.
---Cluny on 4/11/11


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Three seperate anointings ~ hmmmm! So, you'd rather believe three different Marys, anointed Jesus for his burial with a very costly ointment (spikenard & myrrh), on three different occasions? Okay, suit yourself. :) By the way, what "ancient commentators" are you referring to cluny?
---Leon on 4/11/11


The ancient commentators see this as three separate anointings: Mary of Bethany, Mary Magdalene, and the woman simply called the sinner.
---Cluny on 4/11/11


Alan, Luke chapters 7-8 shows me that Jesus "went into a city called Nain" (Luke 7:11). Then He brought a dead son back to life (12-15) and John the Baptist sent from prison to communicate with Jesus (18-35). So, Alan, John was still alive, at this time. Then "a woman" (not named, Luke 7:37), anointed Jesus, apparently in that city of *Nain* > Luke 7:36-50.

And then Mary Magdalene is named along with other women, not by herself, in Luke 8:3. It does not say He met her in Nain.

*After* John was killed (see Mark 6), later at the Passover time (Mark 14:9) "a woman" (not named) anointed Jesus in Bethany.

So, Jesus was anointed in at least two different places, Nain and Bethany.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/11/11


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