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elder, It is witnessed that you ask me questions only for the purpose of dissing and of mocking the truth that I answer, and not because you truly desire to know the truth. Therefore, do not address me until you are ready to accept my words.
---Eloy on 4/18/11


Just out of curiosity as an open statement do you feel that Ananias, Sapphira, King Saul, Judas, The unprofitable servant, the young ruler, etc Made it into Heaven?

Paul
---paul on 4/14/11

Why will some of the eternal securists not tackle this question.
These were all believers and heirs who went horribly astray, do you think they made it to Heaven?

Paul
---payl on 4/18/11


Mark V: God never leaves us. It is we who leave Him.
---jerry6593 on 4/18/11


Tony, great answer you gave. One reason people object that salvation is not a guarantee, is because they believe that works is involve in our salvation. The sufficiency of Christ death on the cross is not enough to save anyone. That it needs the merits of man in order for it to save. That theology come from the RCC. Legalism is confused with Obedience and discipline that comes after a sinner is forgiven. To suggest that the death of Christ is not enough, and that when you sin, He has to die for you again is not biblical. They ignore the work of the Spirit in the believers life.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/11


Matthew 27:46 says, My God, My God, why have you forsaken me? At that point on the Cross, Christ suffered the punishment of my sin, experiencing the wrath of God, that I may never have to. Pretty good news for me. He who knew no sin became sin for me and took my sin upon Himself, that I might never come into condemnation. He will never forsake me, because, Christ was forsaken on the cross for His people. He did what I could never do. I'm very thankful that in Christ I have everlasting life.
---Tony on 4/17/11




Deuteronomy 21:19 "Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place,"
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:"

Did that "stubborn and rebellious son" remain a son while being stoned to death? Did Abel remain Cain's brother after and during his slaying?
The answer is yes and yes, and so what?
---Nana on 4/16/11


Steven G, I could not find your comment in the Bible, maybe I missed it, you said:

"God will promise that he never leave you nor forsake you IF you continue to walk in his ways."

If God said, He will never leave you, and turns around and leaves you, He would never had said "Never". He does not speak with fork tongue.
Do an online on the word "Never" see what you get.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/11


Eloy, while the " Prodigal Son" was away from his father did he remain his father's son? Or, did he have to get physically born all over again?
By the way have you ever left the Father and sinned? Did you lose your salvation?
Are you saved or lost now?
Judging by the way you write you are_____________!
---Elder on 4/16/11


steveng, the prodigal repented, for if he would not have then he would have remain separated from his father and he would have remained in his condemnation and would most certainly would have perished in his foolishness: but as the story goes he indeed repented and thereby was restored to his father and partook of hjis father's blessings.
---Eloy on 4/16/11


What do you think?
---aka on 4/15/11

Aka
In most cases, words will define themselves in the Old Testament.
The word "Remission", is not used in the Old Testament.
Since it's not used in the Old Testament, the word is exclusive to the New Covenant.

Therefore, the word "Remission" must be more than just forgiveness of sin, because Forgiveness and attonement of Sin were offered under the Old covenant.(Lev:5)

I believe the word "Remission" is being used, as we use the word when speaking of Cancer, and like Cancer, sin goes into "Remission".
It is the "Remission" of sin, through Grace, that keeps those who repent from turning into a "Ted Bundy".
---David on 4/16/11




It is Not your salvation to lose. Salvation is of the Lord Jonah 2:9
---Richard_Hobart on 4/16/11


NO you can not!
---malinda on 4/15/11


\\luny, Again, do not address me until you are ready to accept my words.
---Eloy on 4/15/11\\

It's because I receive Jesus's words that I reject yours, Eloy.

You don't speak for anybody but yourself.

That's because you're sinuous dissing usaved clay with no light in you, and the righteousness you claim for yourself is as filthy rags.
---Cluny on 4/15/11


kathr4453: "Is mima a newly born christian stevenG?

Did you not read my entire post? She might have not understood it the first time it was asked.

kathr4453: "This question has not been asked from the beginning of time."

Did you not read the entire OT? some asked the same question about belief.

kathr4453: "Ist century christians who understood the gospel, using scripture alone never asked this."

Humans have never changed from the beginning.
---Steveng on 4/15/11


//Why do you think the Early Bible translators, translated it into two different words, words that can not be used in the same context?//

David, i have boiled most bible translation into two motives: to agree in context to support Scripture in whole and to support doctrine (whether true or false).

Both uses of the word seem to be consistent with the context around it. wherever I found forgiveness, I found God. Whenever i saw remission, it usually refereed to blood or Jesus. (but, my 'research' was quick and i might be in error.)

Also, remember, in context our word "bad" can mean bad or good depending on context. what do you think?
---aka on 4/15/11


Eloy: "Backsliders are not saved.

Have you not read the parables of The Prodigal Son or The Sower? The backslider is a person who takes one step forward and two steps back. One part of The Sower is when a person takes the word of God with enthusiasm then loses it.
---Steveng on 4/15/11


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Alan-of-UK,
I agree with you. And the last I knew you aren't a Calvinist, just as I am not.

It just looks to me like in every instance God takes many more steps toward us than we do toward Him. He is the shepherd who seeks out the wandering sheep...the father who eagerly looks for his errant son's homecoming.

2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Like a loving father, he is quick to chastise His children when they need it...but His children still remain His children.
---Donna66 on 4/15/11


For those who believe "once saved, always save" based upon the promise "I will never leave you nor forsake you" is misunderstanding the promise. God will promise that he never leave you nor forsake you IF you continue to walk in his ways. Otherwise, if you backslide, you will suffer the consequences.

It's obvious that no one has read the biblical warnings I posted about christians who are led astray.
---Steveng on 4/15/11


\\The person that is of God hears God's words: you all therefore hear not, because you all are not of God. \\

Eloy, you ran out of God's words a long time ago and have been using your own.
---Cluny on 4/15/11


The doctrine of the eternal security of the Believer or once saved always saved is grounded in Calvanist as is one of the main points from the acronym Tulip.

Those who teach Once saved alwasys saved reject some of Calvanism but keeping the one part that lets them live as they please and get to heaven no matter what.

I believe it was John MacArthur who said those who are saved will live as the saved always so therefore they are always saved.

So if you live as a person who does not want to go to heaven who just wants to avoid hell. Then you are not saved.

Those who are saved are learning to hate sin and love GOD. If not then no matter your doctrine you are not saved.
---Samuel on 4/15/11


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"I will never leave you nor forsake you"

I would regard this as meaning that God will stay with us and support us as long as we want Him to.

On the other hand, Romans 8 says nothing can separate us from the love of God, and I would take that as meaning that all the attacks of Satan will fail, even if we have times of unbelief, God will not forsake us.

I do find Eloy's refusal to discuss things with those who don't hold the same view rather disturbing
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/15/11


Eloy...you shouldn't think of yourself more highly than you ought. Please read Romans 12:2-4.
---JIM on 4/15/11


luny, Again, do not address me until you are ready to accept my words.
---Eloy on 4/15/11


"Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in talk. The person that is of God hears God's words: you all therefore hear not, because you all are not of God. We saints are of God: the person that knows God hears us, the person that is not of God hears not us. Hereby know we the Spirit of truth, and the spirit of error." Mt.22:15+ Jn.8:47+ I Jn.4:6.
---Eloy on 4/15/11


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\\Backsliders are not saved.
---Eloy on 4/14/11\\

Does this mean that you weren't saved before you got born again the second time, Eloy?

And if so, does this also mean that your first time to be born again didn't take?

If your first time didn't take, how do you know your second time did--or anyone else's?
---Cluny on 4/15/11


OTOH...Every month, I get a bill from the electric company that says, "Remit this amount by...". If (and only if) the payment is fully remitted, is it fully paid.
---aka on 4/14/11

Thanks Aka for both posts.
That's logical.
By your example, the word remit and forgive are not interchangeable.
The Electic bill would not use the word forgive in place of the word remit and say, "forgive this amount", if it did, then you would not pay the bill.

But as you said, the Greek word used for "Forgive and "Remission" is the same word.
Why do you think the Early Bible translators, translated it into two different words, words that can not be used in the same context?
---David on 4/15/11


The 'paid in full' and the 'we can lose salvation for lack of faith' only are both pipe dreams.
The first fails to recognize the social and personal duty of each as stated in Matthew 28:19-20.
Mind the detail, "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you..."
The second one fails equally as declared even by the same verse and James, the just of it: It is
faith and observance, not just faith alone, 2 Peter 1 also.
You 2 strike me as the fellow who went speechless at the wedding...
(Matt. 22:12)
---Nana on 4/15/11


"But if the unfaithful servant says in his heart, My Lord delays his coming: and begins to sin. The Lord of that servant will come in a day when that one not looking for, and in an hour that one is not aware of. Here I come quickly, hold that fast which you have that no person take your crown. I had planted you a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then are you turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine to me? For though you wash you with natron, and take you much soap, your sin is marked before me. It is happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again, and the pig that was washed to her wallowing in the feces." Mt.24:48-50+ Rv.3:11+ Jr.2:21,22+ II Pt.2:22.
---Eloy on 4/15/11


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MarkV, Again, do not address me until you are ready to accept my words.
---Eloy on 4/14/11


Backsliders are not saved.
---Eloy on 4/14/11


Mark_V.
You know every time I read Eloy posts.
It never fail, this verse always come to me.
Eloy you may think I'm speaking against you.
But, I'm not, I just think you should understand.

Luk 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
Luk 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

Thy faith hath saved thee, go in peace.
---TheSeg on 4/14/11


was there a difference in the message then? is there a difference now? ---aka on 4/14/11

OTOH...Every month, I get a bill from the electric company that says, "Remit this amount by...". If (and only if) the payment is fully remitted, is it fully paid. Unless fully paid, there is no forgiveness.

Since Jesus remitted our sin debt for us, it now fully paid and is in effect totally forgiven.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission...Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
---aka on 4/14/11


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We will never lose salvation because of sin,but we can lose salvation for lack of faith.
We are saved(have life) through faith alone. Jesus Christ took care of the sin issue at the Cross.
---duane on 4/14/11


Just out of curiosity as an open statement do you feel that Ananias, Sapphira, King Saul, Judas, The unprofitable servant, the young ruler, etc Made it into Heaven?

Paul
---paul on 4/14/11


Acts 5:31 forgiveness of sin
Acts 2:38 remission of sin

same version, same word...'aphesis'.

what was the interpreters thinking then? what are you thinking now?

was there a difference in the message then? is there a difference now?
---aka on 4/14/11


Eloy, don't compare God's actions with man. God is not a sinful. God's word is Truth. God says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you" If He can never leave you how can you leave Him? Not possible? Can you run away from God who will never leave you?
You say:
"From then many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
Those who left were not believers. God also said, I never knew you" if they had been His, He would have known them. "They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us" They were unbelievers.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/11


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mima, can a wife lose her husband, or a husband lose his wife? Yes, just as a person can leave their spouse, likewise people can leave their God rather than stay with him: "From then many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus to the twelve, Will all you also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom will we go? you have the words of eternal life. And we believe and know that you are that Christ, the Son of the living God." Jn.6:66-69.
---Eloy on 4/13/11


There is much in the Bible about God's displeasure with sin, but not about His taking back forgiveness once given.
---Donna66 on 4/13/11

Donna
Just a thought.
Why does (Acts 2:38) say "Repent and be Baptized for the "Remission of sin" and not "Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sin?
Does forgiveness and remission mean the same thing?
---David on 4/14/11


There is much in the Bible about God's displeasure with sin, but not about His taking back forgiveness once given.
---Donna66 on 4/13/11

Donna their is much in the Bible that indicates God will withdraw His forgiveness.

Just a few,
John 15:2
Matt 18:23-35

A lot more if you search.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/14/11


Mark_Eaton, I so wish people would study all the different covenants in scripture. There are condiitional covenants, as the Law of Moses, placing the burden of keeping the Law for blessings on man, and UNCONDITIONAL Covenants, where the burden of Keeping is on God.

God is able to KEEP all that I have committed unto Him until that day. I gave Him my life, and HE WILL keep it.

Oh what a REST one will find in that truth!


---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


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Or it may be a newly born christian asking for the first time and never reading the first time it was asked.
---Steveng on 4/13/11

Is mima a newly born christian stevenG? If it was an unknown name here, I would not have said that.

This question has not been asked from the beginning of time. It began with the arminians, who if I'm not mistaken, began around the reformation.

Ist century christians who understood the gospel, using scripture alone never asked this.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/11


"Remember we are in a COVENANT. But that covenant is not IF you will, then I will. The New Covenant is I WILL DO IT, says the Lord.

If that were not the case, no need for the NEW Covenant to begin with."


---kathr4453 on 4/13/11


Where is 'I WILL DO IT' here:
John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
John 15:12
1Cor.2:9
1Cor.8:3
---Nana on 4/14/11


Reading this, all that come to my mine is.
If you can lose it, I could say maybe, but there no maybe about it.
You never knew it.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

1Co 2:11-16
I believe it.
---TheSeg on 4/14/11


WHO does the saving?
We must be willing. But it is GOD who provides the Salvation.

If we had to DO something special to gain salvation, I'd say we could lose it. But since it comes as a gift of Grace from God, He would have to withdraw the gift for us to be lost.

There is much in the Bible about God's displeasure with sin, but not about His taking back forgiveness once given.
Can we wander in our walk of faith? Definitely, but we have parables and evidences galore of God persevering in His search for one who has strayed.. Does God change His mind? I don't think so.
---Donna66 on 4/13/11


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How many times do we have this question?
---kathr4453 on 4/13/11

Thank you Kathr. Your post was right on point. My post seemed to distract rather than attract.

My point was to emphasize that we cannot lose something we do not possess. Additionally, if we do not possess it, then someone must have to give it to us so that we will possess it.

When we make salvation something that we can possess, then we assume we can lose it. But when we understand that we cannot possess our salvation, then we can see that our salvation is only given by God. It is not something that can be lost through our actions.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/13/11


Mark

Your using a play on words here, I dont know which translation you are using but it is far different then the KJV or the NKJV.

Ro 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Or faith in Christ

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Or of the redeemed

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The atoning redemptive power of His resurrection.

Please dont confuse by the Word of God.

Paul
---paul on 4/13/11


kathr4453: "How many times do we have this question?"

This question has been asked since the time of Christ and will continue until his return. You need to be patient with people asking this same question. I've been asked many questions in my twenty years of being a christin. The people who asked might have not understood the last time it was asked. Or it may be a newly born christian asking for the first time and never reading the first time it was asked.
---Steveng on 4/13/11


Consider these warnings:

Matthew 5:13
I Corinthians 10:6-12
I Corinthians 15:1-2
Colossians 1:22-23
I Timothy 1:18-19
Hebrews 2:1-3
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-6
Hebrews 10:26-29
Hebrews 10:35-38
Hebrews 12:25
James 5:19-20
II Peter 1:8-11
II Peter 3:17


When reading these verses, pay attention to the words "if", "put away", "slip", "neglect", "depart", "unbelief", "cast away", "turn away".

If Jesus' words remain in us, only then do we continue in the Son and in the Father.
---Steveng on 4/13/11


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Salvation is a choice just as sin is a choice, so "Yes a person can lose their salvation absolutely, it is called backsliding: for many people substitute sin for salvation.
---Eloy on 4/13/11


Ruben,

Luk 15:32 It was fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive, he was lost, and is found.'"

dead when lost and made alive when found...not dead, then alive, then lost, then found.

--aka on 4/12/11

aka,

Scripture says he is "Alive Again', so he was alive to begin with and then was 'dead'(Spirtual Dead), he was cut-off from (God)Father until he repented then he became Alive Again...
---Ruben on 4/13/11


My question to the people who say yes is this, which salvation can you loose in the next sentence?

We have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved.

---Mark_Eaton on 4/12/11

Mark,

(WE have been saved):
Rom. 8:24 - "for in this hope we were saved" But why "hope" if it is a shoot in?

(WE are being saved):
2 Cor. 2:15 - "for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved." Salvation is on-going process-"Being"

(We will be saved):
Mark 13:13-"but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." We must "Endure"
---Ruben on 4/13/11


Can you elaborate on that in a Biblical since?
---paul on 4/12/11

Sure.

First, past tense or "been saved".

Rom 8:24 "For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope, for who hopes for what he already sees?"

Next present tense or "being saved".

1 Cor 1:18 "For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God"

Lastly, future tense or "will be saved".

1 Peter 1:5 "who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time".
---Mark_Eaton on 4/13/11


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How many times do we have this question?

NO! You cannot Lose your salvation, if you were truly saved in the first place.

Jesus is the SURETY of the New Covenant. Look up SURETY before you object. in a simpler way of saying it. He makes SURE you wont. because He is and takes responsibility for your salvation, once saved.

Remember we are in a COVENANT. But that covenant is not IF you will, then I will. The New Covenant is I WILL DO IT, says the Lord.

If that were not the case, no need for the NEW Covenant to begin with.

---kathr4453 on 4/13/11


Cluny

Though I agree with the limited word capacity I also must conclude that their is not a valid point to your comment.

We are limited here but we can still discuss issues, nothing personal but I have noticed you like to post on the fly by without much indepth analogy into the subject.

One must understand in a debate that they must be able to defend their point while posing valid counter points, not just comment and quit, expecting all to acknowledge your comment as proof simply because.

And don't get me wrong I enjoy dialog with you when it is give and take, not just you give your perceived facts and me take them as the gospel.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/13/11


\\Are you determining once saved always saved to be after the endurance (maintainance) is complete and you hear well done good and faithful servant enter in for you've kept the faith and run the race to be the point by which you are saved and that you cant lose it then for your in Heaven?\\

Well, we certainly won't know for sure until then, now will we?

But as I said earlier, this is a topic that can't be discussed properly in only 125 words.
---Cluny on 4/13/11


dead when lost and made alive when found...not dead, then alive, then lost, then found.
---aka on 4/12/11

aka
He was found and alive before he left then he was dead and lost and made alive again when HE came to his since and went back and reconciled to become alive again.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/13/11


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"No, but there's a great deal of difference between a conversion experience and being saved.
A lot of people here confuse the two."
Cluny
I may not understand your meaning of the words, "conversion" and "saved" but this is one of the best statements you have made on CN.
The two are certainly different and create a lot of confusion.
---Elder on 4/12/11


I won't argue with you, Mark.
---Cluny on 4/12/11


Ruben,

Luk 15:32 It was fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive, he was lost, and is found.'"

dead when lost and made alive when found...not dead, then alive, then lost, then found.

mima, if one is truly delivered, then the salvation will not be lost.

but, who the judge is seems to be the issue...the truth of how we interpret Scripture or the Truth of the Scripture.
---aka on 4/12/11


As I understand it, salvation encompasses the whole human race. So whatever you can lose does not include salvation.
---John.usa on 4/12/11


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MarkV, who are these scriptures referring to?

Hebrews 10:19-29

Please respond.
---Jasheradan on 4/12/11


Cluny

I agree to a point with your premise of those who endure shall be saved.

Here's the breakdown in your theology,IMHO, if you believe one cant lose their salvation ever but can run the race and not finish doesn't that indicate that they lost after beginning the race .

If your name is written in the book of life upon conversion you are as saved as you will ever be contingent upon maintaining or enduring until the point of hearing well done .

Paul
---paul on 4/12/11


Mark

Can you elaborate on that in a Biblical since?

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/12/11


There are many verses throughout Scripture warning Christians not to turn away from the faith or suffer the consequences. If there are warnings, then there surely is the truth that it is possible to turn from the faith. In today's world it is very, very easy to turn from the faith. If you think you are strong in the faith take heed that you shall fall. The Parable of the Sower shows that some christians were enthused about their faith in the beginning, but later died.

Are you able to endure the soon-to-come tribulation puting you through the fire to test your faith?
---Steveng on 4/12/11


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Did not Christ tell his Father in John 17:12 "those you have given me I have kept and not one of them is lost"?
Some believe he was refering to the 11 chose for apostolic office, others interpret believers in general. I'm not sure but I
would tend to say you can't lose your salvation because if you could lose your salvation you certainly would..exhibit one Genesis 6:5

Good question.
---larry on 4/12/11


leslie--The "book of life" is the book of the living (not necessarily Christians). If a person dies after a life without Christ, his name is blotted out. If he has been redeemed by Christ, he gets the white robe and acknowledgment by the Son and the Father.

You assume that I Tim 4:1 and II Pet 1: 2:20-22 are speaking of Christians. Sounds to me more like people who had some knowledge of Jesus and joined themselves to a Christian group, but were never truly redeemed.
---Donna66 on 4/12/11


Cluny

Are you determining once saved always saved to be after the endurance (maintainance) is complete and you hear well done good and faithful servant enter in for you've kept the faith and run the race to be the point by which you are saved and that you cant lose it then for your in Heaven?

Paul
---paul on 4/12/11


We are warned of what will happen if we turn against God.

But if we have each been "joined to the Lord" (1 Corinthians 6:17), His power almighty has us joined and changes us to become obedient.

And John says, "if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us," in 1 John 2:19.

If we are God's children, God succeeds at getting us to do all that He commands > His word does not fail (Isaiah 55:11) > Philippians 1:6, 1 John 4:17-18. God succeeds.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/12/11


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No, Jesus took my sins upon Himself on the cross, therefore I have eternal life, which I'm very thankful for.
---Tony on 4/12/11


\\Would you enlighten us to the difference between being saved from sin to salvation by our savior and being converted from a lost sinner to a saved saint of God (Christian).\\

It would take more than 125 words, but to use one of St. Paul's metaphors, the crown goes not to those who begin the race, but to those who compete lawfully and finish the course.

Does that help?
---Cluny on 4/12/11


My question to the people who say yes is this, which salvation can you loose in the next sentence?

We have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved.

This is the Biblical vision of Salvation.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/12/11


"YES"
---paul on 4/12/11


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Cluny

Would you enlighten us to the difference between being saved from sin to salvation by our savior and being converted from a lost sinner to a saved saint of God (Christian).

Just curious, Paul
---paul on 4/12/11


Yes. Anyone who has returned to the worlds ways (aka backslidden) & doesn't repent can lose their way.God is very selective to his children. His true children obey him & donot turn to the way of the world anymore after they left.
---candice on 4/12/11


According to the Bible you CAN lose your salvation by CHOOSING to walk away from God and toward sin (Revelation 3:5). How can your name be blotted out (erased) unless it was there to begin with? Also look at 1 Timothy 4:1 (Christians departing from the faith) and 2 Peter 2:20-22 (Christians departing from the faith and going back to the world and sin).
---Leslie on 4/12/11


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