Can I let you guys in on a joke, a dash of irony? This sight is probably your most frequented church! Most are here more than the building they call church. Now, anyone want to leave to make it an ideal Christ like Church? Any volunteers? Are we not getting in the word, more than two gathering in His name? So, everyone who denounces every Church thats not theirs, glad that you are a member of this profoundly biblical and loving Church, dont you feel the joy, peace and Christ like attitudes that overflow around here? All the sheep being fed, scriptures being opened and so many lives being hilled from our Christ like attitudes. Theres dozens of Pastors to choose from, SOOO exciting!
---Poppa_Bear on 2/5/12|
We,as Christians,should be prayed and praised up so much when we get to church whatever our spiritual needs they can do nothing else but be met. What we get out of church depends on what we have put into God before we get there. We are to prepare ourselves through prayer,praise,singing,Bible reading,build ourselves up in the spirit by touching God before we leave home. We must surrender to God and say here I am Lord use me and be prepared to obey God in faith and let God bless the church through us. It is a precious blessing to see the move of God in a church and know I was prepared to worship him,give him the glory,and love I have for him by me ministering,not only as God leads me to do for others,but what God leads me to do for him.
---Darlene_1 on 2/3/12|
//When I sit down to pay bills why do I have to give money to a church that is not meeting my needs//
Who told you, you have to give money to your church?
---michael_e on 11/30/11|
Shira, you are right. The Church is the house of God. Jesus mentioned the churches in Revelation and critized them for their teachings. He can see the things wrong they are doing. He doesn't condemn the Churches, but individuals who have change the Church true meaning to a lie. Even when the Apostolic Church beginned, there was already many entering the Churches and trying to confuse the believers. It is an on going problem all through history. We could talk about everything wrong within the Church and place blame on everyone, that is easy, but what are we doing to help the Church succeed is the question. Happy Thanksgiving to you and family, peace
---Mark_V. on 11/23/11|
The question should be "what can I do for my church". What do you expect your church to do for you? It is the house of God. It is a place for you to worship God. God gave you life and probably all the food and clothes you need. you probably have plenty of shoes and a roof. You probably have a great pastor who has a full plate, with not much pay. Be thankful you have life.
---shira4368 on 11/22/11|
Robyn: Please give because of God as your small contribution to the Ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ on earth. In case you have evidence that the Church is misusing the major part of the money, then ask the Lord what you should do.
---Adetunji on 11/17/11|
Peter, thanks for your answer. Since I've been on line only two people speak against the Church very bad. I won't mention the other, but with John, he has many great answers and is funny. So I wanted to ask him because I was not sure myself if he belonged to a Church or not. Maybe he is independent. He has to have some kind of background.
Yes, many people have many concern's with the denominations and what they are doing. We are told in Scripture there will always be a mixture within the Church. But we are not told to speak against the Church. Maybe the doctrines they teach. We are to edify the Church the best we can. I was just wondering what denomination or church he belonged to. That was all. Peace brother.
---Mark_V. on 11/17/11|
Peter 2: I also forgot to mention that John hates potlucks. He makes fun of them. I love potlucks. After worship I get to eat a lot of tamales, menudo, enchiladas and many times chilli verde, from the Spanish congregation. No place else could I eat so good. Nothing wrong with that. I get to ask questions to the pastor on what he taught, and maybe help someone who is looking for help. I just believe he is wrong about potlucks. Maybe he doesn't like other people's food, or maybe he doesn't like to cook. I don't know what his reasons are, only that he hates them.
---Mark_V. on 11/17/11|
-Mark_V. on 11/16/11: Your comments to John are a little stronger than necessary. John speaks about problems with the church, but that does not mean he isn't PART of the church.
One may be in the church, but see, and write about, problems within either the church he goes to, or the whole church he has experienced.
When I read John's comments, I recognize some parts of it as things that I see sometimes, and don't really like - though the church itself I do love......
Maybe that's what John is commenting on?
---Peter on 11/16/11|
John, I have a question for you. No disrespect at all. Since you always speak against the Church of Christ, what church do you go to, or did you just stop going to Church? or are you independant?
Do you go to a place not called a Church? What is your status?
I know what happened to Steven G, and why he speaks against the church but have not heard why you condemn the Church. Thanks.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/11|
What needs do you want?
I needed a church that challenged me. I needed church that had people my age. So I went out and found one. Check out NewSpring in Anderson SC on the web.
---Scott1 on 11/14/11|
Chruches today have Potlucks, Teen Concerts, Senior activities, Mens Breakfast, Woman retreats, Camping for Kids. And a Sunday theatre.
So what else do you want????
For Country Clubs they are generally less expensive than the Boys and Girls Clubs. The Senior Citizen Center. and Rock concerts.
Now Tithe!!!(the only OT law that is an acceptable practice in these "Churches"!)
---John on 11/4/11|
hi,I got to think'n been some years rarely I notice church's don"t go visit the sick... It's the hook.... a small"mega church" I have no idea how church they remain humble /you got lots going on...
---ELENA on 11/3/11|
1st Cliff---Just like PETA has re-named fish, "sea puppies".
PC never ceases to amaze!
---Donna66 on 4/20/11|
to give to the church is not an obligation, it is done to support the church because you want to support it. We should though give to those who teach the word, to the poor in the church and the widows, these are what the Bible says we are to give to. If you are not being feed through the teaching then speak to those who teach and if they do not consider your request worthy then maybe you should seek to find a church that does provide the things you need. I hope though you are referring to spiritual needs.
---willa5568 on 4/20/11|
John, You know ,they don't have Easter eggs any more, they're "spring spheres"
---1st_cliff on 4/20/11|
Reckon we can only hope to be served at a standard by Our church near the standard We serve?
---kevin5443 on 4/17/11|
Donna, the Sat. morning service was designed (and joked about at the alter) so people can sleep late on Sunday and go out to eat Sat after service. What about Keep Holy the Sabbath? Doesn't that mean anything anymore? They don't teach any real Scripture at the movie theater church - the people aren't learning a thing!
---cjmybad on 4/17/11|
...be honest, for a change ....Trying to be super spiritual is deceptive and God knows our hearts.
THAT IS the difference between a True Christian and a counterfeit christian who serves ANOTHER Jesus 2Corin 4:11 ...in other words the one's who claim that True Christians are "super spiritual" dismiss ignore or simply deny the very words of Christ Himself to seek The Father in Heaven in TRUTH and SPIRIT
while counterfeit christians are the "honest" ones who complain about a sore backside and demand goodies because they graced some self-proclaimed "christian" church with their presence
---Rhonda on 4/16/11|
If everyone would be honest, for a change. Everything we do has a motive. Everything in life. Whether you are saved or unsaved. Trying to be super spiritual is deceptive and God knows our hearts. So we may as well come clean. It is certain things we look for in the churches we attend. At least I do. This is what motivates me and keeps me on fire for Christ,as well. If my butt is sore from sitting on those hard benches at church. I am not going to be in a hurry to go back to that church and leave with a sore butt. Oh well.
---Robyn on 4/16/11|
\\why are the pastors televangelist have the title CEO.
---mike on 4/15/11\\
Now you know why I don't watch so-called Christian TV.
---Cluny on 4/16/11|
cjmybad-- Is Saturday evening less holy somehow than Sunday morning? In at least one city I know of, Little League games are held Sunday mornings! I'd rather see a family in church Saturday eve (instead of some of the places people go on Saturday evenings) if they can arise early Sunday for family outings that might include fishing, hiking, bird watching etc.
I'm not a 7th-day-believer. I believe Jesus gladly receives the worship of His people anytime, any day.
Some churches find renting a movie theater a good option for services of all sorts. It's "off" time for the theater, but they provide utilities, sound system, and janitor service. A win-win- for everybody.
Traditional church schedules aren't immutable.
---Donna66 on 4/15/11|
Robyn, what are your needs that are not being met? Can you be specific?
---Cluny on 4/15/11|
of course you will be accused of being selfish for 'thinking of yourself'. but doesn't these church leaders have NEEDS too? so that makes them selfish when you don't fulfill THEIR needs.
---mike on 4/15/11|
churches have transformed from being a spiritual to a profit making business.
why are the pastors televangelist have the title CEO.
---mike on 4/15/11|
so John, bassically you're an average fundamental modern Christian,
thank God i'm not the only one.
could you tell me what to do with my pastor, he always
WORKS of faith
TRANFORMATION IN CHRIST's image
the fruits of the spirit
spiritual warfare etc...
i've allready told him that if he doesn't stop trying to be as holy as Jesus i'll pay only half of the tithe, but he doesn't care... i allready tought to become an elder as to vote him out but guess what the pastor says that being elder is not an electable office. so he keeps manipulating us with the truth he supposedly finds in that oold book called the bible. LOL
---andy3996 on 4/15/11|
ROBYN "If I am hungry, I want to believe I can go to my church and be fed.I mean groceries etc..This is not the case with some churches".
so bassically Robyn you go to church because it should give you some kind of social service. wow, and then most churhes critise Obama for instituting a national social security.
---andy3996 on 4/14/11|
If you decide on a church home ,then you should help out, yes,but as I said with a cheerful heart. Doesn't have to be 10 or 20 percent, but what GOd calls you to do.If you have trouble with your bills & donot tithe,then something else needs to be adjusted.For us we cut out fastfood & made more meals at home. only when it is a treat do we splurge. We help our congregation as we can & God knows our hearts & abilities.
---candice on 4/14/11|
John, you forgot BINGO nights!!!! LOL
We are bad for doing this. We need to repent, but Lord it's the truth.
I give to ministries (not churches) who support Israel. I feed hungry children all over the world with my father's estate money. I built a dental clinic in Israel for poor people. My money feeds lepers in India. I didn't even know lepers still were alive today. I want to meet the poor, the hungry and give and give and bless and bless. Now that's the heart of God in me. When I was little, I was the stingest little girl. I grew up and learned to GIVE and it's a blessing to GIVE.
---Donna5535 on 4/14/11|
john hit the nail on the head,here in america we want our church to be like a club,what you missed john is many use the sermon time to catch 40 winks.
---tom2 on 4/14/11|
I am truly blessed. My church has a food pantry, which is an outreach into the community. We also participate in an Interfaith Homeless Ministry with other churches in the community to get the homeless off the streets on bitter cold nights in winter. The church itself becomes an emergency shelter and the volunteers feed them a meal, and stay with them overnight.
---Trish on 4/13/11|
I'll second that, Larry (that we are not meeting the needs of the church!!!!!)
---Peter on 4/14/11|
NOW THAT'S CHURCH!
Oh and don't forget The Easter Egg hunt!
---John on 4/13/11
After reading your blog post, I started laughing so hard, that I fell out of my desk chair! My stomach really hurts now. All because of your silly posting.
I could add a few things to your list. Things that I'm not sure about HOW they glorify GOD. Examples: Communist Church, Church Sleepovers, Charlie Brown dramas, etc.
---Sag on 4/14/11|
Based on what you state, you have been to every church built in order to know they are not meeting your needs. If the church you attend is not meeting your needs, you have two options: 1. Tell the pastor what your needs are and present him, (or whoever is in charge), with a plan that will allow your needs to be met, 2. Leave your present church and attend a church that will meet your needs.
---wivv on 4/13/11|
I have heard of services held on Sat. at 5 pm so people don't have to get up early on Sun. morning to go to church. And there are services held in movie theaters, I was told that it's so kids are more willing to attend (these people are the worse Christians I've ever met). But they have the best choir anywhere. What's the priority?
---cjmybad on 4/13/11|
You have it backwards. The question is are you meeting the church's needs.
God has set aside a sabbath for you to worship with your heart, time and money which does not belong to you.
God has already promised to take care of you so get busy involved in the lives of others and watch the blessing flow.
---larry on 4/13/11|
Cluny: I know the church's focus is about praise and worship to our Lord and Saviour.Among other activities. But there are people who make up the church membership.These people have urgent issues sometimes that need to be attended too. If I am hungry, I want to believe I can go to my church and be fed.I mean groceries etc..This is not the case with some churches.
I know there are no perfect people or churches. This is not what I am speaking of.
---Robyn on 4/13/11|
Yep, its hard to find a good Social Club(I mean church) that can serve a good Potluck.
Here's what I'm looking for in a chruch..
1) Good Potlucks with all the trimmings!!!
2) A lighthearted and humorous paster
3) No fire/brimstone sermons, keep it nice!
4) Lots of Social activites for each age group.
5) Mens Breakfast mmmm...that's good!
6)Church camping for adults and kids
7) Short and light Bible studies. Since we're "Saved by Grace" who cares.
8) Lots of entertaining music (Praise Music)
NOW THAT'S CHURCH!
Oh and don't forget The Easter Egg hunt!
---John on 4/13/11|
thats problem with churches today - a christianity sign in window selling "bible sermons" is not indicator TRUE church
seeing Holy Scripture states church are called out ones - called out from the world and its ways
churchanity today is nothing more than a social gimmick ...benefits, child care, entertainment and more - a playground in name of ANOTHER Christ 2Corin 4:11
NOTHING in Gods word says that the church of believers who follow Christ MEET any of your physical needs ...NOT ONE WORD no matter how hard you try to manipulate or botch Holy Scripture ...imply if you may however Christ is not in any of mainstream christianity churches ...YOU SEEK NEEDS ...True Christians seek spiritual truth
---Rhonda on 4/13/11|
Church is NOT about meeting your needs, it is about worshipping God and meeting others needs. If it is about meeting your needs, you are saying that the cross was not good enough and that God still owes you. God owes us NOTHING, and we owe Him EVERYTHING. Also, the Bible says to put others before (above) yourself, NOT the other way around. Take your eyes off of yourself, and put them on God and others, maybe this will help.
---Leslie on 4/13/11|
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The churches of today have been compromised by the consumer mentality of the society that produced them. Most contemporary churches are very much centered around meeting the needs of congregants. Everything from "seeker friendly" services to up-beat, contemporary music to demographically based programs meeting the needs of singles, married couples, divocees, men, women, teens, the elderly, addicts, the overweight, gays, abuse survivors, gamblers and families of all the above. Everyone's real need is a close, loving, obedient relationship with thier God and savior, Jesus Christ. This is the true need that too often, in the commission of all these other peripherial and self centered pursuits is minimalized and neglected.
---ConradR on 4/13/11|
You don't have to support sin.
---Eloy on 4/13/11|
I have had several church affiliated ministries such as Singers, traveling evangelist, special speakers tell me that they have gotten bad checks from churches. I have also been told that they've been shorted on their money that was collected in a special offering for them.
---mima on 4/13/11|
giving should be with a cheerful heart.It is not required. You can still help out without giving to the church.God gives you the means to pay your bills so take care of your family with what he gives you out of your paycheck.
---candice on 4/13/11|
\\ask not what your church can do for you, ask what you can do for your church.\\
Good point, aka.
---Cluny on 4/13/11|
I've tried going to several churches. NONE of them were perfect, just as NO human being is perfect.
I've learned that it is UNREALISTIC to expect any church, and/or, human being -- spouse, friend, relative -- to meet ALL your needs. Only GOD has the ability to understand everything and all the resources to help you in what you need.
I also believe that it is UNREALISTIC for churches to expect money from people. Some preach OT Tithing, but we're now under the NT's giving according to your heart's guidance. Churches need to be reaching their congregations' hearts. Not pickin' pockets!
If you feel that your church is lacking somewhere, talk to the Pastor. If that doesn't work out, change churches. That's what I did.
---Sag on 4/13/11|
Volunteer work at church seems to be an issue with some people. Just like with Money. I've been there.
Many churches seem to get into thinking that some people have UNLIMITED time for volunteer work: Child Care, Cooking, Building Maintenance, Landscaping & Lawn Care, etc. That just isn't the case for most of us.
Sometimes you just need to learn how to say NO to helping more. Especially, if the church isn't returning your favors and helping you in return.
And if the church doesn't take your saying NO well? Time to leave and find a new church.
---Sag on 4/13/11|
Every church seems to boast about it's Foreign Missions program.
Yes, I do agree that it is good to help other nations, and fulfill the Great Commission. Matthew 28:19.
However, I don't agree that we should help the rest of the world while the USA is falling apart. Especially, in familes. The USA has the HIGHEST divorce rate in the world. 40% of kids are born out-of-wedlock. Record Federal Debt, Etc. Etc.
Foreign Missions is an area that I DO NOT contribue to. Instead, I help out with needs here in the USA.
I'm sure that I'll have my critics on CN, but I'm following my heart folks. The NT says that that's OK!
---Sag on 4/13/11|
Like most Non-Profits in the USA, churches always seem to be on the hunt for more money.
Building/Expansion Projects, Fund Raisers to send the Pastor somewhere, Offerings for that Special someone, etc. All GOOD uses of money, but I've never had the chance to give any input on that spending decision.
Churches are often just the religious equivalent of our secular Government. There are politics, debates, and decisions where I have often felt left out. I'm sure that many other people did too. That's why we all left.
Sometimes, leaving a church is the only way to resolve any hard/hurt feelings.
---Sag on 4/13/11|
Is it 'needs' you can expect to have met?
I know too many people who have 'needs' that are not real 'needs' but actually 'damands' that other people do things for them
That is not Christian, and will not be met by a church (or by anything else, for that matter)
---James on 4/13/11|
//why do I have to give money to a church that is not meeting my needs?//
only you can answer this.
ask not what your church can do for you, ask what you can do for your church.
you may or may not find the answer.
---aka on 4/12/11|
Robyn, where did you get the idea that the church was supposed to meet YOUR needs?
In case you've not heard, the church is NOT about you. Or me, for that matter.
And who are you to decide the "standard" for the church to meet, that it should be "below" what you think it should be?
---Cluny on 4/12/11|
If you don't like your churches methodology and feel it is out of touch with the scriptures then prayerful consider another church.
But you do what is right regardless of whether others do right or not.
Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/12/11|
you don't have to.
---James_L on 4/12/11|
exactly what needs are you speaking of?the only need any church really responsible is your spiritual growth,which requires your devoted partiscipationand scripture says to be a cheeful giver,if not dont give at all,it will be your loss.
---tom2 on 4/12/11|
Robyn, isn't Christianity more about what we give to God (our worship) and what we give others (serve them)and less about what we get out of it?
We are to follow Jesus example, and was he not a servant?
---Warwick on 4/12/11|
I would say trust God to lead you to a church He will have meet your needs, and you then will be glad to do what the Macedonians did >
"And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God." (2 Corinthians 8:5)
They first gave themselves to God, and to His leaders whom He approves and *trusts* (Hebrews 13:17). So, we need to submit to God so He has us with leaders whom He approves and trusts, instead of staying where we can just criticize. Jesus wants *you*, not only your money and time and "serving" and sacrifice. And His pastors love and want *you*, not just what you have > "I do not seek yours, but you" (in 2 Corinthians 12:14).
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/12/11|
I'm not sure what needs to which you are referring, but I have had similar experiences in the past with feeling like a church was not feeding me spiritually, or ministering to my family during times of trial, like hospitalizations.
Not sure if seeking a different church would help, depending on your options of other churches. Where I live there are a slew of evangelical churches to choose from. Yet, I know there are some areas where changing churches is not an option.
I will pray with you about this.
---Trish9863 on 4/12/11|