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Willa, I disagree with the context of 1 Cor. 12: 6,7. The passage reads,
"And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God 'who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all."

The manifestation of the Spirit is given to all who believe. Not all get the same gifts. "Tongues of men" were not given to all, but they were actual languages. Speaking in foreign language and translating it like miracles and healings were authentications of the truth and those who preached it. The true gift "tongues" validated the gospel as divine. Gibberish does not validate the gospel Truth. No one understands it.
---Mark_V. on 4/28/11


---Donna66 I understand what you're saying. But should the Holy Spirit come upon me in the Baptist church it is my practice to mumble my voice in order not to disturb those in the congregation who totally disagree with tongues.
In general I have found that Catholic priest are more receptive and acceptable to speaking in tongues than the Baptist.
---mima on 4/28/11


mima-- I don't miss the public use of tongues...would rather have none, than have it not done scripturally. Probably about a third of my Baptist Church friends are either open to the gifts of the Spirit or pray in tongues themselves privately.
---Donna66 on 4/27/11


Larry,

I totally agree with you, but the very purpose of tongues is intended to build and edify the church (1Corinthians 12:7). I have left Pentecostal and Charismatic churches for the very reason you presented, no self control. I think it to be sad though, that the very same churches that do not accept this manifestation do not experience the others either.
---willa5568 on 4/26/11


MarkV, its rare a charismatic church has the kind of discipline with tongues you mentioned, essentially confining the use of tongues to the prayer closet.
This is good because private prayer should be a part of our daily lives and the unknown utterance is to God not man.
Public assemblies should focus on edification and the english exposisiton of scripture should suffice quite nicely.
---larry on 4/25/11




Mima, your statement is not accurate. Because not all Baptist believe in the same thing. Only Charismatics in different denominations believe in tongues. You cannot say Baptist believe in this when in fact not all Baptist churches believe in tongues. But all Pentecostals believe in tongues. Pentecostals hold that subsequent to conversion there is a spiritual baptism of power, evidenced by glossolalia, as at Pentecost. This is the criterion that differentiates Pentecostals from all other evangelicals, fundamentals, and holiness groups. Charismatic Christians basic tenet of a post-conversion baptism of the Spirit requires subscribing to two spiritual baptisms.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/11


Mark,


What Paul is referring to in 1Corinthians 14:9-11 is we do not understand a tongue, or better said, language, if we do not know it. For example, if you were to go to Germany and did not know German, and whoever you tried to speak to did not know English, neither of you would have any idea what is being said. If I do not understand it, it does not benefit me. That is why we are to pray to interpret, not because it is gibberish, but because it will not build others up,14:4 "the one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself". And even though you or me pray in a tongue and it builds us up, our minds, just as those in the church , is unfruitful (we do not know what we are saying unless it is interpreted).
---willa5568 on 4/25/11


---Donna66 your perfectly welcome in Baptist churches unless you speak in tongues out loud. Number one shortcoming of the Baptist churches is their lack of interest in spiritual things. Orderly services to them usually quench the Holy Spirit.
---mima on 4/25/11


I generally avoid "pentecostal" churches, even though I pray in tongues. The reason is, most do not follow Paul's instruction regarding the gifts of the Spirit.
It is as much a puzzle to me how they can read the scripture and ignore the teaching, as it is how others can read the scripture plainly describing tongues ...and try to explain them away.

I sound really hard to please, don't I? However,there are a few churches and denominations, most of them not associated with "Pentecostalism", that do exercise the gifts of the Spirit "decently and in order". Haven't found any near where I live now.
So...I mainly hang with the Baptists because they put greater emphasis on Bible study.
---Donna66 on 4/24/11


Willa, I study Words in Scripture, Glossa, has two different meanings. Tongue, and Tongues.
My Pentecostal church believed in tongues, but no body was allow in church to speak in tongues, because they were really none language, no one to interpret non language. The pastor said he prayed in a tongue but did not speak in tongues in the church. The reason he didn't and didn't allow anyone is because gibberish cannot be translated in any language. It's like Paul said, like speaking in the air. It only edifies oneself. Lets suppose a church is Spanish speaking church, why would they speak in tongues? other languages when the members are all Spanish. If half the church decided to speak in a tongue, the other half of the church would leave.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/11




Mark,

Verses 10, 11 explain the context of what Paul is referring to. He points out that there are many languages in the world, but if you don't understand the language then it will not benefit you. He uses this so they will see, though he desires them to speak in tongues (or a tongue since you cannot speak but one at a time) without the interpretation it will not build up the church. Though they build themselves up, as Paul said, they do not use the manifestation to edify the church, which is the purpose of it (12:7)
---willa5568 on 4/24/11


Willa 2: What I concluded was that the gift of tongues is still given by the Spirit but it is very rare. I'm sure that God will give a give like that to someone when they are in a position to give the gospel in tongues to those unbelievers from another language who can understand them. I myself do not mind that anyone speaks in tongues, but not in Church because Paul said, "Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers" 1 Cor. 14:22. In other words that gift has no purpose in the church when everyone present is a believer.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/11


Mark,



I have experienced the same thing, just from the other side who oppose it. There is a middle ground though,and that is where we should be. In Pentecostal churches things are to the extreme, to the point they scare people away because they think these people are crazy. I have spoken in tongues one time in church and it was when my wife was having a lot of trouble in her pregnancy. I did not know what to say all I could do was cry and I guess I was so surrendered I began to pray in tongues.
Don't let people who are immature in there understanding hinder you, that is all they know. Keep studying and seeking God. All I can do is share what I know but if you truly desire answers He has them.

Peace to you brother
---willa5568 on 4/23/11


Mark,

I know exactly what that is like but from those who oppose it. I also know that many in spirit filled and pentecostal churches do not truly follow what the scripture teaches about this manifestation. It is as Paul said unbeliever would call it, "mad". They actually scared away people who came. It is a shame that they have been told what is not true, and most act in ignorance because thats all they have ever know.

I encourage to continue seeking for answers. I have shared what I know. But as I tell everyone I talk to seek God and study, if what I say is true, He WILL show. Don't let anyone tell you what is right or wrong without doing as you have done with this.

Gods peace and blessing
---willa5568 on 4/23/11


Always have and always will. I pray in tongues,most days.
---Robyn on 4/23/11


Willa, 1 Cor. 12 and 14 talks about the gibberish tongue. 1 Cor. 14:9
"So like wise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air."
Paul use the singular to refer to the pagan counterfeit gibberish and sarcastically (v. 16, 4:8-10) for other sarcasm) marks its selfishness as some kind of self-edification. This illicit building up of self comes from pride-induced emotion which only produces more pride. He then explains,
there is all kinds of languages (tongues Pl.) and none of them without significance. That why Paul says in (v 13) "Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret"
---Mark_V. on 4/24/11


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Willa, before I answered the first time, I thought about it a long time. When I committed my life to Christ I joined a Pentecostal Church, and no sooner did I join, that I found out how serious this topic is to them. I didn't know much then, but found out soon enough while studying the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that the topic of gifts is more serious then learning about God and His sovereignty. I was condemned for asking questions in a study course on gifts. I had many questions concerning the gifts because of what I read, compared to what they taught, and soon after, I realize how many attack you for just asking questions. That is why I hardly speak on the topic. It hits many peoples heart real bad. You've been very kind, thank you for that.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/11


Mark,

You continue to say "Paul uses the singular tongue to distinguish the counterfeit gift". No where does he say or imply this I am sure if that were so he would plainly say, false or counterfeit tongue.
---willa5568 on 4/22/11


Also Mark,

If you say it should be "a god" then it would have to be so in John 1:1 because there is no definite article there either. There does not have to be a definite article for it to speak about God. Also if this idea was true, the word would be God because it has the definite article. The context determines the way it is translated not always the article, whether definite or not.
---willa5568 on 4/22/11


Mark, there is another thing. Read 1Corinthians 14:9-15. "Therefore one who speaks in a TONGUE should pray for the power to interpret". Why would you pray to interpret giberish if it is fake? Verse 14, "for if I pray in a TONGUE, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful". And then read verse 15 for yourself.
---willa5568 on 4/22/11


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Willa, I had a hunch you would bring up:
1Cor. 14:1-5, Lets look at that those passages, (v.1) "Purse Love" was a command for every believer. Because lovelessness was a root spiritual problem in the Corinthian church, the godly love just described should have been sought after by them with particular determination and diligence. "Desire spiritual gifts" Love does not preclude the use of these enablements. Since Paul has addressed not desiring showy gifts (12:31) and not elevating one over the other (12:1-10).
Paul in 14:2-39 uses the singular tongue to distinguish the counterfeit gift of pagan gibberish and the plural to indicate the genuine gift of a foreign language.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/11


Will 2: "He who speaks in a tongue" is singular indicating that it refers to the false gibberish of the counterfeit pagan ecstatic speech. The singular is used because gibberish can't be plural, there are not various kinds of non-languages. There are however, various languages. "Does not speak to men but to God" this is better translated, "to a god". The Greek text has no definite article (see similar translation in Acts 17:23, and unknown god). Their gibberish was worship of pagan deities. "In the spirit he speaks mysteries" The carnal Corinthians using counterfeit ecstatic speech of paganism were not interested in being understood. The spirit by which they spoke was not the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/11


Cliff,

I agree 100%. That's why said "if it was not for was God did through Jesus Christ we would remain dust" because there would be no resurrection. But there is now because this eternal life to those who believe. It seems this is what we are both saying.
---willa5568 on 4/21/11


Willa, We need to clarify something here. When God said " dust you are and to dust you will return" He was addressing Adam. Man did not sin Adam did and passed it on to us. (there's a difference) If all mankind was to return to dust there would be no use in Jesus giving his life!God did not change His mind about populating the earth with humans that do not have to die as originally purposed!
That's the reason for resurrection! Jn.3.16.
Heaven was teeming with angels before He created man!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/11


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Cliff,

You are correct, God did not create man to die, but then he disobeyed God. Are lives are a vapor and then we return to the dust. If it was not for what God did through Christ we would remain dust.
---willa5568 on 4/21/11


Willa, I agree with much of what you say (about the dead being dead)but you state that this mortal body perishes.4.20.11.
When Adam was created he was never meant to die (that happened as a result of disobedience) atom for atom cell for cell our body is in constant change.Daily we lose millions of cells, and millions are replaced.Over a period of about 7 yrs. its not the same body!
The curse of death limits the number of new cells as we age.
Jesus redeemed us and the curse will ultimitly end!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/11


willa5568--Yes. And the scripture you gave is good, but few will read it.
1Corinthians 14:2 "one who speaks in a tongue speaks not unto men, but to God, for no one understands him, but he speaks mysteries on the Spirit"

I know the different uses of tongues are confusing to many. BUT... "speaking to God", isn't this prayer? Yet even after reading this in the Word, many will adamantly insist that one cannot pray in tongues.
---Donna66 on 4/21/11


Mark,

No were does it say Paul said they spoke gibberish or the tongues were fake, but rather they were not building up the church with the interpretation of the tongue. Also in 1Corinthians 14:2 "one who speaks in a tongue speaks not unto men, but to God, for no one understands him, but he speaks mysteries on the Spirit". There a those that fake this manifestation but that does not negate it whatsoever, there are also falsely prophesy, does that mean this does not exist, of coarse not. Also he rebukes them for being so immature and admonishes them to do things in order and to build up the church. He also says he would they all spoke in tongues. Don't reject because of immaturity.
---willa5568 on 4/21/11


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Cliff,

I agree, it is the person that is resurrected but apart from our body we do not exist we are dead. Genesis 2:7 "and God formed man from the dust of the ground,and breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life and man became a living soul" (or creature as some translate it). Man without breathe is dead, returns to dust , Genesis 3:19 "for dust YOU ARE, and TO DUST YOU WILL RETURN."
---willa5568 on 4/21/11


Willa, 1 Cor. 14:10-11, Paul points out that the purpose of every language is to communicate, not to impress and certainly not to confuse, as the Corinthians had been doing with their counterfeit tongue (sing.) in (v.4) Paul says:
"He who speaks in a "tongue" (sing.), edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church." The Corinthian spoke gibberish to impress but were confusing others of the meaning of "tongues" (Pl.). "tongues" was for languages. Paul spoke in (v,13, 16: 4:8-10) about "counterfeit tongues" so he used the singular "tongue" which refers to the fake gift.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/11


Willa, Since you mentioned it, give me BCV that says "resurrection of the body" (exactly).
Jesus said "resurrection of the dead (person) not the body!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/11


Mark,

You are correct it does say he spoke in tongues more than them all. But he also says in 14:13 "one who speaks in 'a tongue'". Is this to say he was limited to one tongue, not necessarily, but it does show it's one at a time. Read 1Corinthians 14:13-18. He says in verse 14 "if I pray in a tongue my spirit prays" and in verse 15 "what am I to do? I will pray with my spirit". Also go to 1Corinthians 14:2 "for one who speaks in a tongue speaks not unto men, but to God". Take this and then apply it to "I speak in tongues more than you all". Also remember praise to God is part of prayer.It's also interesting you call it gibberish because no one else in scripture thanks it is.
---willa5568 on 4/20/11


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Willa, you said that Paul spoke in a "Tongue" singular? Can you direct me to that? I know he spoke in tongues, plural. and also know that he never prayed in tongues, at least I have not found one passage. When Jesus speaks not everyone listens, because only His sheep hear His voice. But He never spoke in tongues, or a tongue (gibberish language).
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11


Mima-- Thanks for your honest post about tongues. I also speak in tongues. But from past experience, I know that people will deny what the scripture says... they assume they already understand it.. without really bothering to read.

They see ONLY through the filter their teaching has given them. They know just exactly what happens when one speaks in tongues... though they have never done it and had limited observation of it. I've had writers cramp in the past just trying to explain what tongues IS NOT!

But you are right. It is easier to say what it is NOT than to explain exactly what it IS.
---Donna66 on 4/20/11


Cliff,

tent shows the temporal body of flesh that parishes. The Greek for tent, skenos, refers to a hut or temporary residence ( from dust you came to dust you will return)while the word dwelling or house,the Greek word oikia, refers to a structure, or architecture, which is symbolic of permanence (i.e. our eternal heavenly dwelling, the resurrected body). In verse 4 we groan that this mortal body will be swallowed by life (i.e. eternal life). God also gave us a guarantee, His spirit, that we are not left in this mortal body that will parish but have a heavenly body we will be clothed with. In 1Corinthians 15:12-23, he talks of this again saying those who have fallen asleep (dead as Jesus said) parish, in other word they are no more.
---willa5568 on 4/20/11


I've heard tongues spoken in an assembly with an interpretation. The interpretation always endorses scripture. I've heard tongues spoken in chaos without interpretation which has no evangelical benefit whatsoever and is more of an opiate for those who seek an experience. Even the gifts of God can be mimicked by the enemy. Most charistmatics are not Pauline and reject his teachings on tongues and women in authority.
---larry on 4/20/11


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Willa, *Absent from the body..present with the Lord*
is definitely migration of the soul ,like comparing the body to a tent (temporary dwelling) is the same thing.
Yes according to many bible dictionaries and NIV footnotes,Pharisees embraced the doctrine of soul's immortality> that's what separates them from Christ's teaching!
---1st_cliff on 4/20/11


First I would like to tell Cliff Paul did not believe in immortality of the soul. The verse you are referring to is speaking of the resurrection if you read the whole context. And to Mark, as someone did say, Paul did speak in in "the tongue", as it is written in the Greek. He always used the same Greek word when speaking of this manifestation also. Also Jesus himself said in Mark 16:17, those who believed would speak in new tongues (same Greek word as Paul, refers to a language)
---willa5568 on 4/19/11


Donna66, thanks for correcting me, I meant to say, "Paul did not say he prayed in tongues"
Not spoke in tongues. Because he did.
The word "Glossa" has several meanings. Depending on it's use. Mostly unknown languages. But the word "tongue" sing. with a sing. subj, or pronoun, refers to the Corinthians practice of speaking in ecstatic utterance not comprehended by anyone and therefore, not an ordinarily spoken language. Gibberish speaking. Something Paul was very much against. In 1 Cor. 14:10-13 Paul simply points up the obvious, the purpose of every language is to communicate, not to impress and certainly not to confuse, as the Corinthians had been doing with their counterfeits.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/11


No need for JESUS to speak in tongues! He was deity!.But Paul did..at least he said...1Cr 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

I know, I know, he said this in the midst of correcting the church for their MISUSE of tongues...but it seems he inserted this comment precisely to show that he had nothing against speaking in tongues per se.
---Donna66 on 4/19/11


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Donna5535, I believe 1 Cliff is correct. He said that Jesus and the disciples never" prayed in tongues," And, you are talking about how everyone "spoke in tongues" at Pentecost. Two different actions. Jesus never prayed in tongues because nothing is recorded. Concerning Paul, there is no mention he spoke in tongues. Let me explain something, the Bible uses "unknown tongues" and "tongues" and "tongue" All three have different meaning depending where they are use. I will get to that later.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/11


Andy, As I mentioned (4.16 11) *some of Paul's writings were quite profound* and yes he learned from Gamaliel,and retained some of the Pharisee teachings ,like Immortality of the soul ,a Pharisee doctrine (New Compact Bible Dictionary p454 Zondervan pub.)not supported by scripture (only his) IE *in the body, out of the body, absent from the body* etc..
Christ taught future resurrection!
---1st_cliff on 4/19/11


1st cliff "Jesus warned that satan could appear as "an angel of light" Are you smarter than satan?" wow here you use something written down by God through the ministry of Paul, to condemn the same. 2 Corinthians 11.14
in another place you say that pharisees where never used and it is true that paul received his instructions from one of the greatest pharisee teachers of his day (acts 22.3)and yet he rejected it all for Christ (Phillipians 3.1-12)
---andy3996 on 4/19/11


Cuny, So some people may refer to the Quran as the Islamic "bible" they do not call it that so why are you splitting hairs on the Talmud?? You know what I'm saying , just acknowledge that. It won't really lower your status!
---1st_cliff on 4/18/11


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Cliff,
Moses was trying to stop the physical abuse of a Hebrew man, and killed a man to do it.

Paul thought he was trying to stop the spiritual abuse of Hebrew people.


There you go with your "logic" again
---James_L on 4/17/11


\\Cluny, The Mishnah-Gamara (Talmud) constitutes the Jewish religious authority ,ask any Rabbi!
So they don't call it a bible!(that was metaphoric)\\

Make up your mind. First you said the Talmud was their Bible, then you said it wasn't.

I'm well aware of what the Talmud is and its authority in traditional Judaism.
---Cluny on 4/17/11


Cluny, The Mishnah-Gamara (Talmud) constitutes the Jewish religious authority ,ask any Rabbi!
So they don't call it a bible!(that was metaphoric)
---1st_cliff on 4/17/11


This blog about tongues will have many people commenting who do not speak in tongues, don't believe in speaking in tongues, and know very little about tongues. Those who do speak in tongues know that tongues is real, but really do not know much more than that about tongues. As a person who speaks in tongues I am certain of the positiveness of tongues. But I know precious little other than that.
---mima on 4/17/11


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\\The greatest number of converts were former Pharisees especially since Paul led the group. \\

Actually, the greatest number of early converts to Christianity were the THEOFOVOUMENOI, the God-fearers: those Gentiles who believed in the God of Israel and frequented synagogues, but had not formally converted through circumcision.

\\Today the Jewish religion is a direct descendant of the Pharisee sect and the Talmud is their bible!\\

While it is true that Judaism today is descended from Pharisaism, their Bible is what we call the OT, NOT the Talmud.
---Cluny on 4/17/11


James L, Moses came to the defence of a fellow Hebrew who was being assaulted,this is not murder!
Nicodemus did not "lead" or write "inspired" books nor did any other Pharisee.
The greatest number of converts were former Pharisees especially since Paul led the group.
Today the Jewish religion is a direct descendant of the Pharisee sect and the Talmud is their bible!
---1st_cliff on 4/17/11


Nicodemus was a Pharisee and he was Christs disciple and also was the one who placed him in his own tomb.
Any ways Paul was not the first to teach about the gift of holy spirit or even speaking in tongues. Peter very well understood it was a manifestation of holy spirit for all and seems to indicate the proof you have received the gift (Acts 2:39 and Acts 10:15-17). One said "it is not about the church". I have to disagree because that is exactly what Paul taught (1Corinthians 12:7). I speak in tongues in prayer often but I have to say it is not prayer but praise to God (Acts 2:8-11). Also read 1Corinthians 14:23-24, self control!
---willa5568 on 4/16/11


\\Would Christ use a Pharisee after the scathing remarks to them (off springs of vipers, of the devil etc)especially an accessory to murder?\\


Did you happen to know that a murderer was used to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and give them the Law?
---James_L on 4/16/11


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cliff,

Nicodemus was also a Pharisee yet he to was a disciple of Jesus. And it can be certain he was not the only one. Concerning tongues, In Acts 2:38 Peter says "repent and believe on the Lord Jesus and you will recieve the gift of holy spirit. For the promise is for you, for your children and for all who are far off". Acts 11:15-17 Peter tells of how the Gentiles believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and holy spirit fell on them as it did them. He then says "if God gave the same spirit to them as He did to us...who was I to stand in Gods way". Has it been given to you as it did them?
---ryan on 4/16/11


Andy, I'm not into "book burning" Some of Paul's writings are quite profound albeit I don't believe inspired!
Would Christ use a Pharisee after the scathing remarks to them (off springs of vipers, of the devil etc)especially an accessory to murder?
His glibness swayed the masses but does that make him "holy"?
Jesus warned that satan could appear as "an angel of light" Are you smarter than satan?
Jesus said "I will send you the Comforter" (HS) is He Paul?
---1st_cliff on 4/16/11


Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Many seek the gifts of tongues because
1. intimidation, they are told, if they are truly saved they should speak in tongues,
2.frenzy of the moment, they heard a sermon that got the crowd all excited,
3. they copy someone, many are instructed on how to speak in tongues by following the leader,
4. most do it because they heard a fable, something not in accordance to God's revealed plan and purpose.
---michael_e on 4/16/11


\\14-These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren
---mima on 4/15/11\\

It doesn't say that the Virgin Mary was praying in tonges--or anyone else, mima.

You're reading that into the passage.
---Cluny on 4/16/11


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1st cliff,another anti-Paulian? if you believe that Pauls teachings are not christlike, then by all means rip out the books from Acts to Hebrews and burn them. I in turn accept ALL canon books as FROM GOD. that i_s from Genesis to Malachi OT, and Matthew to Revelation NT
---andy3996 on 4/16/11


Mima, It's Acts 1 not 2 and it says they were praying but says nothing about praying in tongues!
At Pentecost they were actually "hearing" in their own language.
None of this "praying in tongues" comes from Christ's instructions but from Paul's instruction. If you choose to follow the Phrisees lead,that's your perogative, as for me ,I'll stick to Jesus' lead! Mat.6.9 He taught us how to pray and what to pray for!
---1st_cliff on 4/15/11


Purpose of tongues? The answer to this question may be found in Acts 1:8,
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Many believe that tongues is the evidence that power of the Holy Ghost has come upon a person. And this very well may be true.
Interestingly I have exercised many times a strange gift concerning this matter when I have walked up to total strangers and told them that they speak in tongues. I have never been wrong in this matter

A question for tongue talkers.Have you ever had the sense of knowing who speaks in tongues before you hear them?
---mima on 4/15/11


Did the disciples speak in tongues? Yes!! And so did Mary the mother of Jesus speak in tongues. And I offer as proof Acts 2:12-14
"12-Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

13-And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

14-These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren
---mima on 4/15/11


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Alan8566 of UK once i studied in how we should pray (a bit like the apostles asked Jesus)and looking at all scriptures i came to the conclusion that the most beautifull religiously encouraging prayers might not be accepted by the father. and it brought me despair, until i found that there is a way... to pray in tongues. however i do agree that in public the tongue-prayers should be limited as much as possible. but AS PAUL said when teaching about the spiritual gifts, i thank GOD that i speak more in tongues then all of you... and again, in the assembly i rather speak 5 words in an understandable tongue then a thousand in the tongue of angels. question is not if it is needed but rather when and how to speak in tongues.
---andy3996 on 4/15/11


Is there need to pray in tongues?

If you pray in tongues, the others present will not understand your prayer, so are they helped by it?

God surely hears prayers from the heart, so we don't need to pray out loud? Let alone in tongues?

Does it matter that some do not pray in tongues?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/14/11


i pray in tongues but i do not believe in praying in tongues...

it is not our spiritual prayers but God's Grace that brakes the joke and so forth, but since we pray wrong anyhoo, it is better to pray in spirit and with my mind.
---andy3996 on 4/14/11


"For the speaking in a tongue, not the man speaks, but of God: for no one follows, but the Spirit speaks mysteries. Therefore if indeed speaking in a tongue let him pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, the Spirit in me prays, but the knowledge in me is unfruitful What then to be? I will pray in the Spirit, and I will pray also in the knowledge. I sing in the Spirit, and I sing also in the knowledge. Else if you bless in the Spirit, how will he which occupying the place of the uninitiate say the Amen at your giving thanks, since what you say he knows not? For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not edified. As brothers, crave the prophesying, and not forbid the speaking in tongues." I Cor.14.2,13-17,39.
---Eloy on 4/14/11


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St. Paul said that in church he would rather pray five words with understanding than millions in tongues (paraphrase).

In Orthodoxy, we know what those five words are.
---Cluny on 4/14/11


speaking and praying in 'tongues' was or is only one of the gifts God gave to believers, and one of the least of the gifts at that. Faith, Hope, and Love are the top three and the only three that will continue. Why do some people put so much emphasis on such a lesser gift while ignoring the others? Paul says we must strife for perfection or maturity.
---Harold on 4/14/11


I also believe in praying in tongues, and also do it.
I expect their will those who don't understand it that will criticize it.
My prayer is not for me to take it but better yet that those critics will seek to know the truth.

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

I don't know how this gift can be denied but it certainly is frowned upon in a lot of circles.
1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/14/11


As long as it is not done to show off or in false pretense.God only knows the true heart of the one praying.
---Candice on 4/14/11


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1st cliff, I know you are a Godly man but you don't read your bible thoroughly, do you?

Acts Chapter 2, verse 3 says:

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

1st cliff so either the bible is wrong or you are wrong, which is it?
---Donna5535 on 4/14/11


Sorry but Paul was a dis. and he prayed in tounges. This is not about a "church" but rather about the Holy Spirit. Read Acts 2:38.

Read Acts and read Cor chapter 13.
---Norman on 4/14/11


the first thing we have to understand is what this is. The witness of scripture is that it is praising and exalting God. Also we have to remember these manifestations are for the church, thats why Paul said if there is no interpretation to keep silent. And if the gift of holy spirit is still for today, which it is then speaking in tongues is too. Don't listen to what tradition says in many churches but let God and His word be your foundation.
---ryan on 4/14/11


"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (Romans 8:26) And it says "praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God" (in Jude 20-21) > So, do we pray in the Holy Spirit's "groanings which cannot be uttered"?

There is prayer deeper than words, in His love's "groanings" of love for our Father, and "groanings" of compassion for one another.

But praying in His love's groanings and in unknown words takes submission to the Holy Spirit. Satan and worldly people do not want to be submissive to God.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/14/11


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Acts 2:1-4

"1 When the time for Pentecost was fulfilled, they were all in one place together.
2
And suddenly there came from the sky a noise like a strong driving wind, and it filled the entire house in which they were.
3
Then there appeared to them tongues as of fire, which parted and came to rest on each one of them.
4
And they were all filled with the holy Spirit and began to speak in different tongues, as the Spirit enabled them to proclaim."
---Philomena on 4/14/11


Jesus taught us how to pray(Mat.6.9) Neither He nor His disciples prayed in tongues!
Prayer is an ernest petition not a theatrical stunt!
---1st_cliff on 4/14/11


i believe in praying in different languages.

i believe the Holy Spirit can interpret your deepest...words that are no longer understandable...when there is no words for your prayers...and take them before the Lord.
---aka on 4/14/11


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