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Should I Help The Poor

Should I stop helping poor people who refuse to work? What about if they have innocent kids whom I know will suffer if I refuse to give them food, money or clothing? How do I know when to stop helping?

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Poopsey, I agree with you on the topic of giving. First of all I don't think a person has to ask on line whether they should give or not, they should feel that need from within. No one has to tell them to give. Second, when Jesus spoke of the judgment of the Gentiles in Matt. 25:31-46 when speaking of the goats, the ones on the left, "Depart from Me, you cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels, for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink.." and goes on to explain about how they never sacrificed themselves for others. He was not telling them to sacrifice themselves, it was too late. They should have known that already if they had the heart of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/11


RICHARDC: Not true! Jesus even told people to sell their possessions and give to the poor. There is also another verse regarding helping one with physical needs.

Luke 12:33 NIV
Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

1 John 3:17 NIV
17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?
---poopsey on 5/15/11


POOPSEY 5/8/11 - The Poor in veiw in the Bible, have to do with the spiritually poor, The Bible is a spiritual book dealing with spiritual things.
---RICHARDC on 5/14/11


Giving says more about you than the one you are giving to. Give as the Holy Spirit leads you.

Proverbs 14 NIV
31 He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker,
but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.

Proverbs 19 NIV
17 He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD,
and he will reward him for what he has done.

Proverbs 21 NIV
13 If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor,
he too will cry out and not be answered.
---poopsey on 5/8/11


Christina/Donna66, very good points. I also believe the very same thing.

"Stop giving when you can no longer give cheerfully"

No one has to give. No one from the church will come to your home and stone anyone. Our giving has to come from the heart. If our conscience tells us not to, then we shouldnt. A cheerful giver is one who does not worry about how the money is use in the Church, because the church should have some kind of responsibility to the members to show where the money is going. Cheerful giving to the poor should always be in our hearts. God will supply their needs many times through us. Many times when we are in need God brings someone into our lives.
---Mark_V. on 5/4/11




Please do not help the poor.

God will provide. If he does not, it is his way of getting folks into hell sooner than later.
---atheist on 5/3/11


"" Stop giving when you can no longer give cheerfully or no longer consider HIs promise trustworthy.
His promise "Give, and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom." Luk 6:38
Consider this, one can not give that which one has not been blessed to receive. See Jam 1:17
We are instructed to love even our enemies, to do good to them, to lend to them, expecting nothing in return, how much more our friend or neighbor.
He promises that by doing so our " reward will be great, and [we] will be [responding as] sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil." Luk 6:35
---josef on 4/15/11"
Agree
---Christina on 5/3/11


mary-- Not everyone has money to give, but the spirit of giving remains. I hope that now, you are being a "receiver" of help and prayers on your behalf. If you have always been one to give to others, it seems strange and uncomfortable to accept help from others. But if you accept whatever good-hearted people offer, you will bless them greatly.
---Donna66 on 5/2/11


Hi, my husband and I love to help people that are poorer than us but right now we can't even tithe, with so many trips to the doctors and hospitals (I have cancer) so our gas is outrageous! But we still serve God in our hearts.
---Mary on 5/2/11


I am not a fan or supporter of money, for it is material, and I do not worship material. It is corrupt, when it is used for evil purposes. Jesus helped people with touch and words, not with money(it is temporary)
---Christian_comment on 4/30/11




Compassion and obedience are the issues. Not one scripture of fear or second-guessing in giving to the vulnerable. In fact, lack of giving equals hell in Matt 25:46 for those who call Him Lord. Good Samaritan gave immediately and abundantly. Lazarus the beggar went to heaven, while the rich man who worked went to hell. It's God's economy, not ours. There are 2,000+ scriptures commanding us to give to the poor. Why is God so passionate about this? Because it spreads the gospel and lifts people up spiritually to be God's hands and feet. I call it doing theology. Everytime you see a needy person, you're looking at Jesus and another opportunity to grow in Him and to spread his love and message to others.
---matthew25:42-46 on 5/1/11


Being a good stewart of God's money requires providing for your own household/family THE BEST that is possible with your income. If you will not be faithful with that small responsibility, but instead give it away being pious, then what good would further blessings be?.

The unbelievers who will truly love God someday will be cared for by God (the way that they should be, our assistance is feeble and spiritually useless).

Enjoy the Lord's bounty that you have been enabled to have. Let your family enjoy it also.

Only 'give assistance' to someone when you will be giving WILLINGLY/"cheerfully", not GRUDGINGLY.


---more_excellent_way on 4/29/11


We are called to be good stewards of God's money. That's why I think it is best to determine, ahead of time with thought AND Prayer, how we will give. God can lead you in your planning!
But if, in an unforeseen circumstance, you feel strongly moved to give, do it. And don't think it always has to be money.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might, for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Ask the Lord if there is something besides money that will help.
Sometimes what you DO can be more valuable than any amount of money.
---Donna66 on 4/29/11


Cluny: "I have corrected you on many things, but it's never taken heretofore. Why should it this time?"

Corrected? Really? I thought correctiion was to edify someone to the truth.
---Steveng on 4/24/11


Donna66, I too believe Elders answer was the best. We should give our help wisely for the glory of God. My wife and I have determined that there is many who need the help, but we can only help who we can, and the choice we make is for those who mostly need it. I have been helping two kids from world Vision for over 15 years, now they are grown up, and we feel thankful to God for helping us so that we can help them. I wish I could help more but I cannot.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/11


I don't believe it's our decision to pick and choose who we want to give/help.

I believe we are LED by the Holy Spirit to help/give to one brought in our path. If we are making a decision based on what we have or don't have that is human works. Even the unsaved do that.

I remember hearing a story about a man, stranded in a storm with others. He gave his only coat to another who had no coat. He died from the cold, however the other man lived because that man laid down his life for him.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/11


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\\It was Peter not Paul. You knew of the story, so why didn't you simply correct me? Or is it that you don't know how?
---Steveng on 4/22/11
\\

I have corrected you on many things, but it's never taken heretofore. Why should it this time?
---Cluny on 4/23/11


markV-- //If I have enough to give I do, I cannot give to everyone, so I pick where I can be more helpful.//
That's my way of thinking, too.
If I give to an individual, it is to someone I know who has needs the Lord has laid on my heart.

Elder said it so wisely,
Helping the poor is different than giving to the poor. Giving to the poor may be the very thing that is holding them back.
---Donna66 on 4/23/11


Might be better instead to donate your money to Sarah Palin's political war chest.
---John.usa on 4/23/11


Mark_V.: ""Why have you conceived this thing in your heart?" This was not about salvation but about keeping the money and lying to the profession of faith he had made."

Peter said, "Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?"

He lied to the Holy Spirit, to God. Read again Acts 5:3 and 4 slowly. The Holy Spirit knew and Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 4/23/11


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Have you people not read to give to him that asks, and don't turn away from him that wants to borrow? Not every dollar you give will be used the way YOU want him to use it, but that's not your responsibility because God is still commanding you to give, period, not to choose who gets it and who doesn't So, in order to submit to the Almighty give to ALL who ask.

Deuteronomy 8:18
Proverbs 19:17
Psalms 24:1
Leviticus 25:23
Haggai 2:8
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Matthew 5
Luke 6:30-36
Romans 11:36a
1 Corinthians 4:2
Matthew 25:21

God Is exceedingly generous and so shall the christian.
---Steveng on 4/23/11


More Excellent Way ....

What are you on about?

You criticised someone else for stereotyping the poor.

I was just pointing out that you had done the very same thing!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/23/11


Donn66, I agree with you and More excellent's answers, There is many fakes, many who don't want to work, who do drugs, who stay on welfare, their children also. The question is, what's the intend of my heart when I give? I give money to the church. My intend is for the glory of God, even if someone inside the church is keeping for themselves. My intent was righteous, theirs wasn't. God takes care of the hearts of others, I make sure my heart is right with God. I see what the Word of Faith do. I don't give to them. But if I have enough to give I do, I cannot give to everyone, so I pick where I can be more helpful. Jesus said, when I was hungry you did not give to eat. I believe the Holy Spirit will guide us to the Truth. Who needs it more.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/11


markV ---I once believed that some who who beg for money on the street corners and intersections were really in need. Now I think the needy ones are rare.

Have you ever offered a job to one of those who say they will work for food? Oh, the excuses you hear about why they can't do it! Most who claim to be homeless are not.
Just follow them at the end of the day and you will see.
If they are hungry, I'd buy them a sandwich, but most know where in the community they can get a free hot meal.

I hear that an accomplished beggar can make as much as 50K
a year (tax free). The last time I took pity on some poor lady who just needed "bus fare to get home", she stole my checkbook while I was looking for cash.
---Donna66 on 4/23/11


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Alan, your only post here is the one you just posted because you jumped at the chance to oppose ME THE PERSON (not the statements I made, but THE PERSON...why have you set your heart against your fellow man?).

The goal of a believer must be HOLY attitudes/intentions.

The word "hypothetical" means "an INVENTED"/contrived situation (it doesn't refer to ESTABLISHED TRUTH, but invented subjective/biased "suppositions").

I didn't INVENT any situations, I spoke TRUTH.

DO you LOVE THE TRUTH....or do you only LIKE truth? (you decide)....

"because they refused to LOVE THE TRUTH and SO BE SAVED".
---more_excellent_way on 4/23/11


Steven G, you nor I nor anyone has the power to know if someone is truly saved or not. When we decided that someone is not saved, it's our own judgment by what we know of the person. The Holy Spirit will not tell you who is and who is not truly saved. We can judge there intends by what they do, and what they say, but we cannot see the heart to know if someone is saved or not. Peter put a conviction in Ananias heart with a question, when he said, "Why have you conceived this thing in your heart?" This was not about salvation but about keeping the money and lying to the profession of faith he had made. Something they could find out right away by the money they gave. It was God who brought death to them, not Peter.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/11


Cluny: "Really, StevenG? Paul wasn't even a Christian at that point. So how COULD Paul know the hearts of Ananias and Sapphira?"

It was Peter not Paul. You knew of the story, so why didn't you simply correct me? Or is it that you don't know how?
---Steveng on 4/22/11


\\Paul knew the heart of Ananias and his wife, Sapphira. \\

Really, StevenG? Paul wasn't even a Christian at that point. So how COULD Paul know the hearts of Ananias and Sapphira?
---Cluny on 4/22/11


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More Excellent Way ... You say others are stereo-typing the poor.

How's this then? ...

Many people remain on public assistance for life and allow their children to have the same values of laziness (I've seen GENERATIONS of families grow up on public assistance).

The reason 'able bodied' people are impoverished/unfortunate is because they're the kind of person who is not peaceful and just, neither will they ever TRULY/heartfully honor God.

They have been given their blessings, that's why they are impoverished. Don't second guess God


All your words!!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/22/11


Yes we are to help the poor. But cash may not be the best way to help. Job offer if possible. Food always. It depends on who you are helping.

I know many do not like the law of GOD. But GOD in his law talked about and set up ways to help the poor. We should remeber we are given funds from GOD not for our own selfish use. Remeber the Rich man who when his fields were full and wanted to keep it for himself.
---Samuel on 4/22/11


Mark_V.: "I believe that no person can know the heart of another,..

Paul knew the heart of Ananias and his wife, Sapphira. Paul himself is not able to know the heart, but the Holy Spirit can divulge what is on the heart of another if is in the will of God to do so. God knows the secrets of the heart and can reveal it to another if it would accomplish a certain task. God will reveal all the secrets of the universe including what is written upon the heart of another. Do an online KJV bible search for the word "heart".
---Steveng on 4/22/11


In most Orthodox prayerbooks there is a prayer to help you examine your conscience.

One of the questions: Has a beggar come to me, and I despised or neglected him?
---Cluny on 4/22/11


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//... you should call the proper state authorities to see about having the kids removed from the home//

This would be good advice if the state authorities were a better solution. I have worked for the authorities and in a lot of cases their solution is worse than the problem. there are wolves waiting to gobble up the obvious weak up, and the state endorses it in the name of advocacy.

Lord, we ask you for Strength and Comfort and Guidance in this. As we see it, there is no solution. Always help us remember that our good is not necessarily your Good.

But, Lord, right now, Help us heed the wound and not count the cost. Because from our perspective, we can only apply a band-aid where a tourniquet is needed.
---aka on 4/22/11


Scripture is clear: "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should they eat." II Thes.3:10. Someone elses irresponsibility is not your reponsibility. And sinuous parents who reproduce their seed is also not your reponsibility nor anyone elses but the parents alone: and neither should the government be supporting worldly bastards. To the antiChrist adults, "you breed them, you feed them."
---Eloy on 4/22/11


I believe that no person can know the heart of another, what we do is judge that someone in a corner asking for money is able to work but doesn't want to. While there is many of those that want money for drugs there is many who are honest and in need. Jesus mentioned that we are to sacrifice ourselves for others. The Spirit speaks to our conscience and we should discern from the heart why we give, whether its for the church or for those who are in need. What we give is not ours to begin with, it belongs to God. Not everyone is lazy, and in this times many have lost their jobs and houses, we will see more of those as the time gets near, and it is up to each individual to follow his conscience. For God will judge our actions.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/11


The "PERSONAL" involvement is supposed to be WITH JESUS, steveng (glorifying MAN instead of GOD ONLY??). Someday, maybe "Christians" will get the "personal relationship" thing straight.

You made up a HYPOTHETICAL situation about the mother on drugs (stereotyping the poor?).

The question involved MATERIAL needs.

Maybe someday "Christians" will stop being so defensive about what they rather not hear (but of course you LOVE the truth) that offend their sense of pride.

Maybe someday they will also stay on topic and stop making up hypothetical situations about being on drugs.

Maybe they will also stop stereotyping and being condescending about 'those poor unfortunates'.
---more_excellent_way on 4/22/11


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more_excellent_way: "You are not the parent of those children, nor are you... (you can't really help those children, neither are you morally obligated to them, THEIR MOTHER is...this is GOD'S LAW)."

That is absolutely the worse christian attitude to take concerning one of God's creation. And if their mother is addicted to drugs, who else but a christian is able to offer them the knowledge of God's kingdom and how to get there?

Christians are lazy, never truly giving from the heart.

They would rather give money to the church/organization than give to a panhandler. Christians are to become personally involved with helping the poor. That's where it comes from the heart. Give cheerfully to anyone who asks.
---Steveng on 4/21/11


Over the years I have become very disgusted with the way churches spend their money. Therefor about 15-20 years I have carried money on me for the sole purpose of giving it to those who are in need. My wife gets mad at me because there's no record of this but I find it extremely satisfying to know that I've put my money in the hands of a needy person.
---mima on 4/21/11


You know. a similar question was asked of Jesus. "How often can someone sin against me and I forgive him? Until seven times?"

And how did Jesus answer?
---Cluny on 4/18/11


Helping the poor is different than giving to the poor. Giving to the poor may be the very thing that is holding them back.
---Elder on 4/16/11


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Yes,because Jesus did and we're to pattern our lives after him.Healing the sick was also a big part of His ministry.
---shirley on 4/16/11


Hi, Barbara (c: You can pray and see what God has you doing. Always, we have impossible things that require us to trust God more closely and intimately, the main purpose being to get us more with Him!!! So, God bless you and enjoy the LORD (c: I would say do not try to figure this out in just some theoretical way, but personally find out with God our Father. My opinion is you can help the people, but doing this as a means so you can relate with them and help them to Jesus, not just be trying to "save" them from hunger.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/16/11


2Thess 3:10
"If anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either"


There is a man who stands at an interstate exit very regularly. The sign says "NEED GAS MONEY"

I asked him once "You've been standing here all these days and haven't got any gas money yet?"

I wouldn't give this guy a red cent.


If you know someone who's kids are suffering hunger because of parental laziness, you should call the proper state authorities to see about having the kids removed from the home

1Tim 5:8
"But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
---James_L on 4/16/11


better to help the poor in spirit
---tom2 on 4/15/11


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I give to local organizations that help children or the disadvantaged, but never to pan-handlers. Most could work, but don't want to. Some beg because it is fairly lucrative and takes no work. Some only want money for their next fix or beer.
I don't want to enable their life-style.

My favorite way of giving, however, is to help people I know, with paying bills or purchasing things needed by their children....always when they don't expect it. They are usually employed but poorly paid.
---Donna66 on 4/15/11


Unfortunityly adults that will not change to make themselves better you should not give to - you are donating to stupidity. However, kids are involved (who are innocent of their parents stupidity), and since this is the case, maybe Child Pertective Services (CPS) needs to be contacted for the kids in child abuse situations (which this may be).
---Leslie on 4/15/11


let me tell you that jesus said those who wont work wont eat,laziness is not what jesus expects from anyone,enabling them to be lazy either.
---tom2 on 4/15/11


Barbara. The bible tells us to help others, especially the poor.But we have to led by the Spirit. If our needs are not being met,we cannot help anyone else. I believe in helping others because we never know when we will need help.What we sow, we will reap. But we cannot help everyone.Neither does God expect us to. Find someone,perhaps a single mom, and do something for her and her kids. Give and help others, according to what you have, is a good guideline to follow,too.
---Robyn on 4/15/11


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I would add that I won't help churches bec. it has bec more of a business for profit or to make money than to preach the gospel or feed the flock. and the CEO is the owner.
---mike on 4/15/11


Good point, paul.

Barbara, how many poor people who refuse to work have you been helping?
---Cluny on 4/15/11


I won't help them. laziness is a SIN and being lazy is also being SELFISH.

if they are healthy, no disabilities let them look for a job. I have seen many people who are blind yet they REFUSE to let their disability be an excuse.

bill porter who celebral palsy sell watkins products.
---mike on 4/15/11


You are not the parent of those children, nor are you a relative, attendant (sitter), legal guardian or teacher who has influence in their behavior/knowledge (you can't really help those children, neither are you morally obligated to them, THEIR MOTHER is...this is GOD'S LAW).

Many people remain on public assistance for life and allow their children to have the same values of laziness (I've seen GENERATIONS of families grow up on public assistance).

The reason 'able bodied' people are impoverished/unfortunate is because they're the kind of person who is not peaceful and just, neither will they ever TRULY/heartfully honor God.

They have been given their blessings, that's why they are impoverished. Don't second guess God.
---more_excellent_way on 4/15/11


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" How do I know when to stop helping?"
Stop giving when you can no longer give cheerfully or no longer consider HIs promise trustworthy.
His promise "Give, and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom." Luk 6:38
Consider this, one can not give that which one has not been blessed to receive. See Jam 1:17
We are instructed to love even our enemies, to do good to them, to lend to them, expecting nothing in return, how much more our friend or neighbor.
He promises that by doing so our " reward will be great, and [we] will be [responding as] sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil." Luk 6:35
---josef on 4/15/11


Stop helping them when God stops helping you.

Ga 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

I know it can be hard to do sometimes but we must do it for Christs sake, the only time I wont help someone is if it Goes against God or if it feels like bad stewardship.

But never in the face of allowing children to suffer.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/15/11


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