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What Is The Rest Of God

Does one enter into the rest of God described in Hebrews 4 by observance of the Sabbath or by faith?

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\\Cluny: "The Sabbath commandment is NOT about worship"

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD.\\

Read the Sabbath commandment in the Decalogue. There's NOTHING to do with worship in it.
---Cluny on 4/23/11


Kathr ... I take your point. Mine was that the 8th day is the first day of the next week!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/23/11


The spiritual aspect of the asabbath is about stoping work AS GOD DID. If you are not keeping the sabbath, you cannot understand it. It is about STOPING PHYSICAL LABOUR and resting. The Faith found in the sabbath is the faith of believing that God created in 6 days, ande that your redeemer is your creator. The story you have been told about the sabbath bring rest in christ ( which is faith ) is christ is so far fetched. They forget that the BIble asks to worhip God AS CREATOR. WHich means keeping the sabbath as faith that he is the only creator. You will not get it, until you do it. It is like telling a none christian about the experience of salvation If they have never experienced it, they cannot understand it.
---francis on 4/23/11


Jerry - do not forget about all those dead bodies in the new heaven.

Isaiah 66:23-24 All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against me.

I wonder if those dead bodies are those of the Sabbath keepers - the kind that lead Christ to the Cross?
---leonia on 4/23/11


//my GOD is GOD everyday but he asks me to take one day from secular activities to spend extra time with Him and my family//

what NT scripture does He use to tell you( being a gentile) to make one day more special than another?
---michael_e on 4/23/11




We keep the Eighth Day with joy, the day when Jesus rose from the dead. Letter of Barnabas, c. AD 70-120

The Eighth Day. In the Old Covenant the Seventh Day was hallowed because God had rested on that day, but when Christ came,.


---kathr4453 on 4/23/11

HMMM where in the BIBLE does he get that? It is always amazing to see people quote these catholic fathers when the catholics themselves say People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-Day Adventists.. Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
---francis on 4/23/11


We keep the Eighth Day with joy, the day when Jesus rose from the dead. Letter of Barnabas, c. AD 70-120
---kathr4453 on 4/23/11
Letter of Barnabas: Is that OT, or NT?
Or is it New NT

I just can't seem to find that book anywhere in my bible.

Now can i find any references to what he is saying in my bible.
---francis on 4/24/11


Correction, Christ didn't rise from the dead on the 50th day..dhaaaaa!

Leviticus 25 describes the fiftieth, or "Jubilee" meaning "liberty." The Jubilee year is proclaimed with the sound of a trumpet on the Day of Atonement.

The 50th day, after Jesus rose from the dead was the day of Pentecost, began with a sound of the rushing wind.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/11


Alan the 8th day is the first day after the 7th.


We keep the Eighth Day with joy, the day when Jesus rose from the dead. Letter of Barnabas, c. AD 70-120

The Eighth Day. In the Old Covenant the Seventh Day was hallowed because God had rested on that day, but when Christ came, a New Day would dawn, the Day when God would make all things new, those who would enter are "born again," become "new creatures," in the New Creation.

The RCC didn't change any days.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/11


How many days in your weeks, John?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/23/11




John, When the Lord revealed to me that on the 8th day, the day circumcision was preformeed, and that was a sign of the covenent God made with Abraham, before the Law, that SIGN pointed to Christ's death and resurrection. And that true circumcision for us, is described in Colossians 2. The cutting away of the flesh, buried with Him and raised up...is TRUE Circumcision. in the OT Their hearts were cirsumcised, in the New, Our whol old man flesh is cut away.

And in OT Law, it's the 8th day, also called a sabbath that OT Saints worshiped and was made a HOLY DAY, and was the day of the sin offering.

50, after 7 x 7 + 1 is Jubilee, when all debts were forgiven.

Christ rose from the dead on day 50.

---kathr4453 on 4/23/11


Cluny: "The Sabbath commandment is NOT about worship"

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD.

Should we believe you or the Word of God? Hmmmm.... tough choice!

Can you show from scripture alone where God made any day other than the seventh-day Sabbath holy? Can you show from scripture alone where Jesus customarily attended the synagogue and read from the scriptures on any day but the Sabbath?
---jerry6593 on 4/23/11


kathr4453 The 8th Day was exactly as you described.

It was actually revealed to me by the Holy Spirit as I was reading scripture. Suddenly I realized that Christ did not rise on the 1st day, but on the 8th day.
---John on 4/22/11


\\my GOD is GOD everyday but he asks me to take one day from secular activities to spend extra time with Him and my family.\\

The Sabbath commandment is NOT about worship, but about REST FROM LABOR, which extended even to one's slaves and farm animals. Read it.

There are services TWICE DAILY in traditional synagogues, not just on the Sabbath.
---Cluny on 4/22/11


Hebrews 4:8-10 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

And that 'another day' spoken of, IS NOT the observance of the OT Sabbath, but the day we come to fully believe in Christ. (4:3)

Francis, you really need to THINK about these things for yourself and not simply parrot what your mentors tell you.
---leonia on 4/22/11


It is very evident by those who enter his sabbath rest, that they like God stop their work on the seventh day. the other people keep working on the seventh day, they do not enter his sabbath rest
---francis on 4/22/11

I have stopped my work on the 7th day. 7 meaning COMPLETE IN Christ I have no work. I rest In Him, and now HE works in me.

There is no work or works I can do to please God. I am His workmanship, and my resting IN HIM as He works is what I entered into. I entered into the Everlasting Covenant.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/11


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Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp

good thing we are under grace and not law.

My God is God everyday, not just Sat or Sun.
---michael_e

my GOD is GOD everyday but he asks me to take one day from secular activities to spend extra time with Him and my family.

The Penalty for making Idols and worshipping them was also death. Does grace do away with that law? Or does GOD enforce his laws?
---Samuel on 4/22/11


\\True. But that was a law for the Goverment to enforce as a Theocracy. We live under a Secular goverment now that does not eforce religous regulations. \\

You mean the SDA Church no longer believes that the US Government is not the False Prophet of Revelation with its Sunday Blue Laws?

\\In the Middle ages if you did not keep Sunday you could be executed and in some colonies in America you could be put in the stocks for not keeping Sunday.\\

Can you give some examples of people being executed in the Middle Ages for not "keeping Sunday" (who, where, when)--and what exactly do you mean by "keeping Sunday"? Please clarify.
---Cluny on 4/22/11


//But that was a law for the Goverment to enforce as a Theocracy. We live under a Secular goverment now that does not eforce religous regulations//
Num 15: 1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel,..(not Egyptians or anyone else)

Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp

good thing we are under grace and not law.

My God is God everyday, not just Sat or Sun.
---michael_e on 4/22/11


francis, no where in Hebrews are we reminded to keep the sabbath. We are instructed to ENTER IN His Rest.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/11
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did] from his.
Hebrews 4:4 God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

It is very evident by those who enter his sabbath rest, that they like God stop their work on the seventh day. the other people keep working on the seventh day, they do not enter his sabbath rest
---francis on 4/22/11


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//If you work on Sabbath, according to the Bible you are NOT honoring the Sabbath.//
If you work on the sabbath according to OT. you were to be put to death. Num. 15:32-35.
Glad we are not under that covenant.
---michael_e

True. But that was a law for the Goverment to enforce as a Theocracy. We live under a Secular goverment now that does not eforce religous regulations.

In the Middle ages if you did not keep Sunday you could be executed and in some colonies in America you could be put in the stocks for not keeping Sunday. So would you end up in the stocks for you actions today if you lived then?

Do you keep any day holy?
---Samuel on 4/22/11


That being the History of Israel with the sabbath, It was VERY Important that the NT writer in hebrews 3-4 remind them to keep the sabbaths. That is why he makes referenced to those who did not enter Caanan with Joshua,
---francis on 4/22/11

francis, no where in Hebrews are we reminded to keep the sabbath. We are instructed to ENTER IN His Rest.

Do you know the difference between entering in and keeping?

Those who did not ENTER IN the Promise land had nothing to do with sabbath keeping. They simply whined and complained for 40+ years and God said, they will not ENTER MY REST.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/11


**The History of the Jewish people shows that they have forsaken the sabbaths many times to their own destruction:

That is the view as promoted by Adventism in their idolatry of the OT Sabbath.

The nation of Israel came under judgment when they forsook the God that lead them out of Egypt and followed other gods.

De 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
---leonia on 4/22/11


Mark_Eaton on 4/21/11

The History of the Jewish people shows that they have forsaken the sabbaths many times to their own destruction: When asked why were they in capticity, the chief reason given was for the violation of the sabbaths. Ezekiel 20 to 23
When they returned from captivity Nehemiah remined them of what God had done to them because they violated his Sabbaths: Nehemiah 13:17-18
In 2 Chronicles 36:21 It tells us that one of the chief reason for the Babylonian captivity was not keeping the sabbaths.

That being the History of Israel with the sabbath, It was VERY Important that the NT writer in hebrews 3-4 remind them to keep the sabbaths. That is why he makes referenced to those who did not enter Caanan with Joshua,
---francis on 4/22/11


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Exo 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Seems simple enough to me. What's behind the desire to disobey this one Commandment above all others? Why is it that the one people want most to FORGET is the one that God began with the word "REMEMBER"?
---jerry6593 on 4/22/11


We are in Day 6 of the creation and will enter our rest on day 7. There may be an 8th day.
---John on 4/21/11


The old/lost/unregenetate is in the 6th day of creation.

The NEW Creature is NOW complete In Christ. 7 means complete. Those in Christ are a 7 NOW. And those who are a 7 now are living in the 8. 8 means new Beginnings.

I am a New Creature=8
Complete, perfect In Christ=7

Those outside of Christ are a 6, and it is the 666, all that encoumpases the old creation that is at war with the New. And those still a 6 will worship all that encoumpases 6.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/11


//If you work on Sabbath, according to the Bible you are NOT honoring the Sabbath.//
If you work on the sabbath according to OT. you were to be put to death. Num. 15:32-35.
Glad we are not under that covenant.
---michael_e on 4/22/11


Leonia,

Scripture is written on four levels.

1)Physical (Actual Creation)
2)Spiritual (Spiritual creation(Christ)
3)Prophetic (New Creation)
4)Inner Mystical(Substance of creation)

This applys to all scripture as well.

So the Day of rest is the
1) Physical (7th day Shabbat)

2) Spritual (G-d rested on the 7th day

3)Prophetic(our entry into the the new creation and the final rest.)

4) Mystical (The Spirit of Creation)

We are in Day 6 of the creation and will enter our rest on day 7. There may be an 8th day.
---John on 4/21/11


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You enter Sabbath rest by ceasing from laborous work - that means we are NOT to work on the Sabbath. The TRUE Sabbath being Friday night (6pm) to Saturday night (6pm) according to the Bible. If you work on Sabbath, according to the Bible you are NOT honoring the Sabbath.
---Leslie on 4/21/11


**Most people who do not keep the sabbath have in their churches at least THREE Doctrines about the sabbath that are right!

1. The OT sabbath is not taught in the New Covenant, i..e there is not so much as even a hint of a command for Christians to observe the OT Sabbath.

2. The early church Apostles & their immediate successors did not teach observance of the Jewish Sabbath. Of course, they had only the Holy Spirit to guide them, not Ellen White.

3. That believers in Christ enter into that rest depicted by God at Creation. Hebrews 4
---leonia on 4/21/11


Most people who do not keep the sabbath have in their churches THREE Doctrines about the sabbath that are wrong:

1: Christ is our sabbath, which is unbiblical, christ is our passover yes, sabbath NO

2:Sunday is our sabbath. Cannot be more wrong, since they keep sunday because of the resurrection. That would be the first day and the bible says sabbath is 7th day.

3: Any day can be sabbath, ( anerror from missunderstanding Romans 14,5) Only ONE day is blessed God and sanctified

So you can see how this false teaching has no solid foundation amoung those who chose who do not believe the truth.
---francis on 4/21/11


by kathr4453 1981
---kathr4453 on 4/20/11

Beautiful, wonderful, and very accurate.

Christ is our rest. Why else write to Jews about something so Jewish? They knew so much about the Shabbot why would they need to be instructed at all?

It is because they knew of the day but not of the real Rest, Jesus. They did not know that the rest for the believers is Christ, and that alone is enough.

We honor the fourth ammendment when we honor Christ by resting in Him, by surrenduring to His will, not ours. We must stop striving to do everything in our own power, and do everything in His power. Then, we can truly rest.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/21/11


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i agree, francis. i wanted someone to answer my question. you keep bringing up other things that I already know.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Observance of Sabbath on Sabbath day does not necessarily mean righteousness. If your observance on any day is grounded in mercy, you will find Rest.

BTW - I do not believe Sunday is the Sabbath, but I do believe Sat to Friday, I am not restricted from doing good.
---aka on 4/21/11


Cluny If you wantthe TRUE significance of the Sabbath, read Exodus 20:8-11

aka on 4/20/11

Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn,
Luke 14:1 he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day,
John 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
John 5:5 And a certain man was there,
John 5:9and on the same day was the sabbath.

Who says you must spend the whole sabbath day in church?

John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. John 9:14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
---francis on 4/20/11


thank you,, Samuel.

i am in USA. but, i did not ask where there are Friday evening services or Saturday services. those are not hard to find.

I asked if anyone knew of any SDA congregation (or any other denomination) that met for a straight ~ 24 hour Sabbath (sundown to sundown) like it used to be.

The Israelites met in their home or synagogue for Sabbath...the whole evening/day of rest. Does anybody do such a thing now?
---aka on 4/20/11


**So who THINKS TO change Gods times?

Since the rotation of the earth is very gradually slowing down, our days are really becoming longer. What the duration of a 'day' was during creation is anyones speculation.

In any case, we know for certainty that the no tribe on earth observed the Sabbath until the time of Moses and we know also for certainty that the observance of the Sabbath was not commanded anywhere in the New Covenant / New Testament.
---leonia on 4/20/11


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going back to hebrew 4,
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS.

It tells you how to enter this rest: AS GOD DID FROM HIS

And the very same Chapter tells you how and when god rested:
Hebrews 4:4 And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Not labours for salvation, but from his physical labour of creation. For me me and many others, come sundown friday we enter his rest. and we ceased from our own works, as God did from his.
---francis on 4/20/11


If you want to consider the TRUE significance of the Sabbath, read this:

Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, And God blessed the seventh day. For this is the blessed Sabbath, this is the day of rest on which the only-begotten Son of God rested from all his works, through the dispensation in accordance with death, he kept the Sabbath in the flesh, and returning once again to what he was through the Resurrection he has granted us eternal life, for he alone is good and loves mankind.
---Cluny on 4/20/11


francis, you are trying to avoid my question by assuming that i believe otherwise. i do not believe a day is from midnight to 11:59.

so, can anyone tell me where I can find a SDA church whose members gather at Friday sundown to Saturday sundown? (as i originally asked)
---aka on 4/20/11


literally it means "sabbath"...heres a thought,God as a spirit neither slumbers nor sleeps yet we know He instigated resting on the seventh day (especially) as a statute and ordinance for Israel...so there is a mystery here to be looked into!
---richard on 4/20/11


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leona we ENTER by Faith. What we are ENTERING is Christ Himself. Christ in you and you in Him.

So I am at REST in Christ 24/7

Your Mercy so Gracious,
You spend it on me.
Oh what is this LOVE
You want me to see?

It has no conditions,
Of which on my part,
I must work to earn it,
It's Grace You impart.

All fear leave this Love,
A peace now does land,
My heart fixed on Jesus,
I REST in His Hand.

by kathr4453 1981
---kathr4453 on 4/20/11


---aka on 4/19/11
Can you show me in the Bible where a day starts at midnight?

God himself determined that a day starts in the evening:
Genesis 1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:8 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Genesis 1:31 And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Daniel 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true:

So who THINKS TO change Gods times?

HINT: Daniel 7 23-25
---francis on 4/20/11


Francis - **But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday." Gibbons

Very true since the church really has no Sabbath as such was given ONLY to the Jews. Howbeit, the early Gentile church always met on Sundays, the Lords day for communal worship and that became the Christian Sabbath.

**People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Adventists, and keep Saturday holy."

It is true if you believe you must observe the Sabbath as stated in OT Scripture, it should be on Saturdays. But there is nothing in the New Testament that supports any day as holy.

Easily answered!!!!
---leonia on 4/20/11


Cluny - any any case, our Adventists friends should get it through their hard heads that the Eastern Churches never were part of the Roman catholic church and always observed Sunday as the day of communal worship.

Olde Ellen White really did not know church history and like many other things she taught, were in ERROR.
---leonia on 4/20/11


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The Sabbath commandment says to keep the Sabbath Holy. That includes worship as pointed out in the life of JESUS. Having a time of prayer and church services daily is fine.

What evidence do you have that GENTILE Christians were observing the Jewish Sabbath?
Cluny

That the church outlawed it in the Council of Laodicea and Synagogues established routines to keep Christians out of their services.

Cluny and Leonia your points about church history are true. Many People believe the Donation of Constantine a document fabricated by the RCC latter as being a fact. Also the RCC takes credit for actions from the Orthodox and does not give them credit. So those who read only some history can be confused or purposely mislead.
---Samuel on 4/20/11


Can anyone tell me where I can find a SDA church whose members gather at Friday sundown to Saturday sundown?

That was the Sabbath period in the OT.
---aka

Since I do not know where you live I cannot. Many of our churches have Friday night services. We have prayer at sundown. When our children were smaller they would help pick out songs and we would have prayer, stories and Bible reading.

Also Sabbath ends on Sunset Satruday night which starts the first day of the week. Which is why Paul preaching till midnight was on Saturday night the first day of the week.
---Samuel on 4/20/11


\\When Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople (ca. 325)and then later proclaimed Christianity to be the state religion, the Patriarch of Constantinople was the major influence, not the church at Rome\\

Actually, leonia, Constantine did NOT make Christianity the state religion. He merely made it A LEGAL religion (not the same thing).

That did not happen until sometime later under the Emperor Theodosius.

And the Abp. of New Rome (the historical name of Constantinople) was given Patriarchal status until the late 5th-early 6th century.

But then, the Patriarch of Constantinople is not and never was the Orthodox pope, though recent ones have shown papal pretensions. (But that's another story.)
---Cluny on 4/19/11


Can anyone tell me where I can find a SDA church whose members gather at Friday sundown to Saturday sundown?

That was the Sabbath period in the OT.
---aka on 4/19/11


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**That is until the church stated that if you keep Sabbath they are going to throw you out of the Church.

The assumption you make here is that the early church was all Roman Catholic but that is simply not true. When Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople (ca. 325)and then later proclaimed Christianity to be the state religion, the Patriarch of Constantinople was the major influence, not the church at Rome. Most of the early church conferences were sponsored by the Emperor.

Perhaps you wish to provide a historical reference for your viewpoint??????
---leonia on 4/19/11


leonia when are you going to read Church history

James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89. "But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."

The Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893."The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."

People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995
---francis on 4/19/11


\\True many early Christians did pray on Sunday. But even by the 300 many were still keeping Sabbath and church services were still held on Sabbath. \\

What evidence do you have that GENTILE Christians were observing the Jewish Sabbath?
---Cluny on 4/19/11


The entire account of Hebrews is reconfirming Holy Sabbath ....
---Rhonda on 4/18/11

I suggest you read the verses just prior to Heb 4, namely Heb 3:18-19.

The Rest that those Scriptures is referring to is the Promised Land, and only those with faith could enter into that rest. It does not refer to any Sabbath day.

Likewise, when Heb. 4 starts the rest being referred to is "promised" again, namely Jesus whom they have had preached to them. But it is only with faith in Christ, can they enter into that Rest (Heb 4:3).

It is explained in Heb 4:11. When we are disobedient to God and do not accept Christ, we cannot enter into His rest.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/19/11


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\\But even by the 300 many were still keeping Sabbath and church services were still held on Sabbath. \\

1. The Sabbath commandment was not about worship, but rest from labor that extended even to one's slaves and farm animals.

2. Traditional Synagogues have services TWICE DAILY, not just on the Sabbath.

3. Pre-Reformation Christian Churches have daily services, though in the USA, this tends to take place only in monasteries.

How do these facts fit in with your view of history, Samuel?
---Cluny on 4/19/11


True many early Christians did pray on Sunday. But even by the 300 many were still keeping Sabbath and church services were still held on Sabbath.

That is until the church stated that if you keep Sabbath they are going to throw you out of the Church. Some today want to declare those who keep Sabbath as not true Christians.

In the the Middle ages Church, Sunday was kept as a holy day under penalty of punishment including death. Now days most people go to church on Sunday and then do as they please. They do not truly keep any day holy.
---Samuel on 4/19/11


\\Even some prominent Sabbaterian scholars now believe communal worship on Sundays started as far back as the beginning of the second century - long before the church of Rome had any influence or powers.\\

St. Justin Martyr refers to Christians gathering in the wee hours of Sunday morning to celebrate the Eucharist, then going about their normal employments. He lived in the early 100's.
---Cluny on 4/19/11


Rhonda - when are you going to read Church history written by reputable and knowledgeable church historians?

Even some prominent Sabbaterian scholars now believe communal worship on Sundays started as far back as the beginning of the second century - long before the church of Rome had any influence or powers.

As for the Jewish Sabbath, it was observed only by the Jewish people and their proselytes, never by Gentile churches.

Or do you wish to remain the idiot on this forum?
---leonia on 4/19/11


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Amen Josef and thank you for the details you shared too

it's interesting how so many ignore and dismiss WHICH institution GAVE them observance of sunsday

AND that rcc BOLDLY proclaims she authorized sunsday and tells the world anyone who observes obeys her and disobeys Holy Scripture

even more surprising is how those who observe sunsday INSIST Hebrews contradicts itself when rcc is very clear in stating God NEVER destroyed demolished or discontinued His Holy Sabbath
---Rhonda on 4/19/11


Rhonda -Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

The 7th day Sabbath as given to the Hebrew nation was carefully observed on penalty of death. However, many that did observe the Sabbath failed to enter into His rest because of their unbelief.

4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

That 'another day' is the day of ones salvation for those who believe are the ones that have entered into the rest of God. (4:3).
---leonia on 4/19/11


"So how did God cease from His based on Hebrews4?" Francis on 4/17/11
I trust the question was directed towards me.
The answer is found in the 4th verse "God rested on the 'seventh day' from all His works". You will get no argument from me concerning that.
As Ronda has correctly noted "REST as described in Heb 4:9 is correctly translated as keeping of the Sabbath."
However the word rest in that verse also correctly translates as "the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God" according to the same online Strongs.
Personally I greatly appreciate the privilege of setting aside 'the seventh day of my work week' for rest and meditation.
---Josef on 4/19/11


P.S. Ronda according to the original Strongs copyright the word rest in verse 9 greek 'sabbatismo' is defined "The repose of Christianity (as a type of Heaven) from a der, of sabbaton "The sabbath or day of weekly repose from secular avocations, (also the observance or institution itself.)" As defined by the Hebrew word "Sabbath" it is an intermission Therefore the online exposition of the word is in my view both valid and accurate. By either definition entering that rest is a matter of faith and grace rather than an observance of law. "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."
---Josef on 4/19/11


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Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The entire account of Hebrews is reconfirming Holy Sabbath ....Christ who is Lord of the Sabbath was a keeper of the Sabbath while he was in the flesh - Apostles always kept Sabbath and all TRUE followers of Christ keep Holy Sabbath

REST as described in Heb 4:9 is correctly translated as keeping of the Sabbath (from Greek Sabbatismos)

Heb 4:9 whether using rest (or keeping of the Sabbath) it still reads the same: There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God.

rcc boldly tells the world she established authorized sunsday and by observing sunsday one OBEYS her and REJECTS and DISOBEYS Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 4/18/11


//Well then you are missing something.// francis

yeah...like the meaning of your post.

but, thank you for giving for me a scripture that fits in well with resting in the Lord 24/7:

Psa 37:7 Rest (Sabbath) in the LORD (not only Friday night sundown to Saturday sundown), and wait patiently for him (24/7): fret not thyself because of him who prospers in his way, because of the man who brings wicked devices to pass.

(BTW-Can you tell me where I can find a SDA church whose members gather at Friday sundown to Saturday sundown? That was the Sabbath period in the OT.)
---aka on 4/18/11


Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

It is thru believing the gospel that one is saved and enters into that rest of God as typified by His rest after creation. Our works even those we believe please God are as fithy rags in His sight as what counts for believers is the righteousness that is in Christ. 1 Cor. 1:30.

He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1:31
---leonia on 4/18/11


One enters into the rest of God by keeping his commandments, his laws, his statues and loving Jesus with all of their heart, mind and soul. "For He Himself is our Peace." You can keep the Sabbath and not have His Peace dwelling within you.

Jesus said, "If you love me, you'll obey me." (Gospel of John).

Love Him with all of your heart and worship Him and Pray daily to Him and you will enter that rest supernaturally. God Bless you!
---Donna5535 on 4/18/11


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Great some really wonderful comments.

I can see where the rest can be used of the Millineam. But it applies today first and foremost. We are called to rest in JESUS today. Hebrews 4. Not at some time in the future. Also note the words about the seventh day in the passage. Not a thousand.

Our true complete rest will be when we are in Heaven. I so want to hear JESUS preach. With so much evil in this world. I just want to sit at his feet. But today we must fight aginst evil.
---Samuel on 4/18/11


The "day" Paul is referring to applies to both Jew and Christian and in its full context refers to the 1000 years of Messiahnic reign on the earth also known as the millenium..
---richard on 4/18/11


"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)

So, Christ's rest comes with learning from Him, not just what a number of people call "faith". His rest comes with personally learning with Him how to submit God and love any and all people . . . with obedience. You rest in how He leads us "continually" (Isaiah 58:11) . . . "striving according to His working which works in me mightily," (in Colossians 1:29) "without complaining and disputing" about *decoy* issues!!! (Philippians 2:14-16) (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/18/11


The rest of God is entered into or gained through strong belief.
For example,do you believe that God working everything out for your benefit? Do you believe that nothing can keep you from enjoying God's favor? How deep is your trust? The rest of God is deny those who fear that they will fall. They see themselves as the strength and/or strongest partner in their relationship with God.
---mima on 4/18/11


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i try to rest in Jesus 24/7. i don't have the strength to wait between two Sabbath days.
---aka on 4/17/11
Well then you are missing something.
Psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him:

This text means to have faith in God.
So were you there when God created the world in 6 days?

Here is the kicker: If your boss gave you day off from work to you refuse and claim that you are already resting in christ and not in need of a day off?
---francis on 4/17/11


**The Sabbath is delight because it proves I do not have to work my way to heaven. It is a rest not a work. It is not my efforts that save me.

And the Sabbath to me is also a delight for it is on that day that I gather with other Christians, pray for and with others, study His word together, sing praises to His name, and share in His fellowship. Did Jesus not say where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them? And I often sense that.

And yes, I can agree that those in Christ will not have to work for their salvation as we can believe in the words of our Lord.
---leonia on 4/17/11


i try to rest in Jesus 24/7. i don't have the strength to wait between two Sabbath days.
---aka on 4/17/11


JESUS give us rest. We enter int a personal relatioship with a person.

Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

The Sabbath is delight because it proves I do not have to work my way to heaven. It is a rest not a work. It is not my efforts that save me.

Because I love GOD and my fellow human beings I do not wish to break any of the Ten Commandmnets.
---Samuel on 4/17/11


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JESUS is our sabbath rest, not a 'DAY'.

---more_excellent_way on 4/17/11
The bible refers to Jessu as our passover, the light of the word, the bread of life, where does the BIble refer to Jesus as our sabbath?


--josef on 4/17/11

The question limits the responce to Hebrews 4.

While the bible does use the word rest to mean faith.

Psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him:


and physical rest:
Exodus 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

the question is limited to hebrews 4.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.

So how did God cease from His based on Hebrews4?
---Francis on 4/17/11


If entrance is hindered because of faithless, stubborn opposition to Divine will, then the opposite, or faithful conformity to Divine will, must be required for entrance.
Therefore "Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of 'unbelief' (faithlessness) in departing from the living God,"
"Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of 'unbelief' (obstinacy)."
We are instructed to labour to enter into that rest. And informed that one who has rested has also ceased from his 'works' (self efforts) as God did from His. In other words we are to be quick to yield and submit to the Father, HIs Word, and His work within.
---Josef on 4/17/11


Joshua could not provide the Israelites with 'REST IN' Jesus (Hebrews 4:8)....because Jesus hadn't come yet.

...so God declared that "They shall never enter my rest"

Our 'deeds of righteousness' ("works") are actually a mockery of TRUSTING "faith" in Jesus.

Romans 9:32
"Because they did not pursue it through faith".

JESUS is our sabbath rest, not a 'DAY'.

OBSERVE JESUS as our sabbath rest. Jesus did the "works of God", John 6:28.
---more_excellent_way on 4/17/11


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