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Born Again Christians Fornicate

Two born-again Christians fornicate. They love each other yet both desire to repent from their sin. Is it right for them to marry?

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If they are both free of any engagement to another, this is an option. Please go to her Father and discuss it with Him, Exodus 22:16-17. Note Matthew 5:32, 19:9 have to do with someone who committed Adultery, or who lied about their virginity.
---Glenn on 5/3/11


I was told that they should separate and take time to seek God. That they must repent of fornication and proceed in their relationship, if that even be the Lord's will, without sinning (fornicating).
---lu7464 on 5/3/11


\\Is it possible for those who follow Christ to be "drawn away" and give into a sinful action?\\

Certainly.

Eloy gets drawn away all the time by his pride, singing "How Great I Art" to himself and expecting us to accept him as our personal savior.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/11


Eloy, so if you take the passage you first gave from Hebrews 10:26 which reads:

"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacifice for sins"

as indicating that once you are saved and you willfully sin, there no longer remains a Sacrifice for sins, you my friend, are not saved at all, because you were born again once and knew the truth, and you sinned. Since you said you were born again twice. So which is it? Is that passage talking about someone born again or not? For if you were born again once, there was no more chance for you the second time. And if that is the case what you have told us about the second rebirth is a lie, and you have sinned again.
---Mark_V. on 5/3/11


Rhonda, I have no trouble with what Scripture has to say, I do have a problem with you condemning everyone for every single thing they do, as if you did not sin yourself. Just read every answer you give, and you will see what I mean. Instead you should be teaching what is in Scripture, and if someone disagrees at least you can answer them.
---Mark_V. on 5/3/11




Eloy, can you honestly say you never have a carnal or fleshly thought?
---Christina on 5/3/11


In response to other posts here:
1 John 2

1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the FatherJesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Who conedemns? Who is the accuser?
---Christina on 5/3/11


I see you throwing a lot of stones at others as if you were without sin
****

Mark either you deliberately MISREAD what I wrote or you have never read Holy Scripture

Christ's VERY own words were simply SIN NO MORE

to make your bogus lying claims only proves once again you preach from your own pious pulpit and dismiss reject and ignore Holy Scripture

I CHOOSE Holy Scripture and WORDS of Biblical Christ not your opinions about a Christ 2Corin 4:11

to simply STOP fornicating and marry is basic Scripture ...your misunderstanding of Scripture is evident in misquoting "throwing stones" and your claim that I believe I am without sin ...always judging never learning Mark
---Rhonda on 5/2/11


willa5568, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Therefore the just will live by faith: and if draws back, the soul of me has no pleasure. But we are not of them who draw back to perdition, but to them that believe to the saving of the soul. From then many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus to the twelve, Will you all also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom will we go? you have the words of eternal life." Hb.10:26,27,38,39+ Jn.6:66-68.
---Eloy on 5/2/11


Eloy,

Is it possible for those who follow Christ to be "drawn away" and give into a sinful action?
Jesus pointed out very well that sin is far deeper than an action. Pride, boasting ,anger ,wrath and envy are also sin. These things are not necessarily seen, but are sin none the less if dwelt on. There is a great word we should all understand, "compassion", remember you to were once in sin. Don't condemn, try to restore these people regardless if you believe they are or aren't Christians.
---willa5568 on 5/1/11




yeshua, there is no such thing as two born-again Christian fornicators.
---Eloy on 5/1/11


Rhonda, Jesus said, "whoever is without sin throw the first stone" I see you throwing a lot of stones at others as if you were without sin. Remove the log from your eyes and you will see the sin in your own life. Don't remove it, and you will find out that you belong to a small group who in their mind, believe they are sinless, and have arrived, but they are very much mistaken, because the longer we live for Christ, the more we recognize sin in our lives.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/11


the wicked sin YET know not of sin

True Christians commit sin of fornication and CONTINUE in their sin are in process of falling away from the truth and loosing their crown

one cannot sin, repent, and continue to LIVE IN whatever sin they repented of

the process for True Christians is to overcome

there is no such thing a born again christian ...simply a term by cults to brand themselves

born again is found 3 times in NT and none of these translate to a TYPE of christian

one is either a FOLLOWER of Christ or they are not

if True Christians find themselves SINNING they should do as Christ instructs SIN NO MORE

stop fornicating and marry
---Rhonda on 5/1/11


Eloy, no, I am not prepared for your word. It has to many flaws in it. I haven't got any answers to my questions, which mean you don't have them. I once talked to a pastor who also didn't have many answers, yet he wanted me to believe what he teached. If he had only answered my questions, I could look them up in God's Word to see if they were right. I was just beginning my walk with Christ and he could not help. The fact is that when God brings us to life, we have a lot of questions. You are smart but somewhere you lost your path. Because you have many unanswered questions. Yet you want everyone to not ask, but believe what you say.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/11


Eloy,

You cannot correctly understand 1John 3:8,10 unless you start at verse 1. This entire chapter speaks of not committing A SIN, but practicing sin instead of righteousness. And points out that love for our brother is the proof of righteousness.
---willa5568 on 5/1/11


MarkV, you are not prepared for my Word.
---Eloy on 4/30/11


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Eloy,

1john 1:8-2:1- "If we say we have no sin then we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins then he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. BUT if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". David, who was a man after God's heart, committed adultery. Does that mean he is not a child of God, no. why? Because he admitted to his sin and repented just as this couple has.
---willa5568 on 5/1/11


Eloy part 2: the reason I corrected you is because you said to others ""Whoever that commits sin is of the devil,"
When you said you were born again the first time, you sinned. That would mean you belong to the devil again. Then were saved again, and you are now perfect because of that, but that did not happen to you the first time, yet you claim you were born again. That is why I answered Eloy. And I'm not dissing you, just trying to figure out what you say and trying to reconcile it with Scripture and it just does not fit.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/11


Eloy, You said,
""Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will complete up to day of Jesus Christ." (v.1:6)

What does that tell you? You have not attained it yet. "For He will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ"

"Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected, but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me." (v. 2:12).

Much different then what you said. "if, by any means I may attain to the resurrection from the dead (v.2:11). You say you are already attained perfection but Scripture shows He has not completed His work on us.
---Mark_V. on 4/30/11


"Whoever that commits sin is of the devil, for the devil sins from the beginning. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God." I Jn.3:8,10.
---Eloy on 4/29/11


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There is no such thing as a born-again Christian fornicator, neither is there a "sinner saint", nor a "lost found" person. For either a person is "Christian" which is Christlike because Christ lives in them, or else a person is "not Christian". Nothing "bad" gets into heaven.
---Eloy on 4/29/11


willa5568, Paul speaks of being resurrected in Phillipians 3:11, then continues on in Phillipians 3:12, lit.Gk: "Not that attained I now, or now yet finished: but I follow, if also I may lay hold, inasmuch as also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus." And in Phil.1:6: "Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will complete up to day of Jesus Christ."
---Eloy on 4/30/11


Mikeman, "No mocker nor blasphemer will enter into my kingdom, says the Lord." For I bring righteous charge against all sinners, which sinners are not chosen by my God, but they have filled full their cup of woe and have freely chosen for themselves to be fit for the lake of fire and brimstone.
---Eloy on 4/30/11


PART ! ...Sure, why not!.When Jesus died, when He suffered, When He hurt bad in pain, He took ALL sins punishment for all men apon Himself. How allful, such pain, and shame, but He stood in our place - He knew what was ahead for us. He knew we could not but an end to sin....fight satian and win. we were doomed to suffer greatly un GODS WRATH. He WAS MAD. Jesus stepped in, fullfilled rightiouness requirment of the law written in the stone. That law ministers death. 1 cor. Jesus not only stepped in our place, He destroyed sins power over us allowing us to serve God from a clean heart. The understanding we
---Linda on 4/29/11


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"Every good tree brings forward good fruit, but a corrupt tree brings forward bad fruit. A good tree CANNOT bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Every tree that brings not forward good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. By their fruits you all will know them. Whosoever stays in him sins not. Little children, let no person deceive you: whoever that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in that one and that one CANNOT SIN, because that one is born of God. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is so are we in this world."
---Eloy on 4/29/11


Mark,

no offense at what Eloy has said. I was only trying to emphasize my agreement about what he said about us having to repent. I have discussed scripture with people who are far more aggressive than he is, even to the point of them yelling and trying to intimidate me.

I believe he is very zealous for God and that is something I respect but he forget's the mercy God has shown us is the very thing we should present to others so they know Gods love.
---willa5568 on 4/29/11


eloy,

That is my exact point! These two have decided to repent. No where in scripture does it say we are not capable of sinning , or else what is said in 1John 2:1 is irrelevant, and Paul himself is condemned (Philippians 3:12) because he also sinned as a believer. You condemn because they were caught in sin and call them evil, then say it is righteous judgement (Galatians 6:1)? My dear brother, if you consider yourself sinless, other than through the sacrifice of Jesus, then you make God a liar (and I hope that is not what you are saying.)
---willa5568 on 4/29/11


Willa, you got your answer as I knew you would by Eloy. He doesn't know how to talk to people who don't agree with him. They are going to hell if they don't agree with his teachings. That is why I warned you not to take it personal. If you notice something else, he many times, hits the buttons on his computer several times on his answer, to make sure you and everyone else hears him twice. He does make his point very clear.
---Mark_V. on 4/29/11


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Eloy - Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died more than that, who was raised to lifeis at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Our sins are covered past, present and future. God knows our hearts Eloy - you don't. Im sure you need interceeding as much as we all do.
---Mikeman on 4/29/11


Eloy, again you are wrong when you say,

"because he does not desire the wicked to perish in everlasting hell: yet by my Lord's waiting for the wicked with hope that they will repent and be saved, until"

You are saying that God puts His hope on man. This is the God you are presenting. You say the opposite of what God says. Our hope is in Him, not His hope is in us. As I said before, I don't know where you come out with all that stuff. Not from Scripture. God is never hoping we do something. If He was, we would be sovereign and He wouldn't be Almighty God.
---Mark_V. on 4/29/11


willa5568, God does have great mercy, and I also have mercy. And God extends so much excessive mercy to the wicked that the wicked are allowed to breathe and to continue to harm and destroy the innocent. He lets the sinners lie and bear false witness and blaspheme and rob and kidnap and extort and abuse and molest and kill and destroy us, his sheep. Why? because he does not desire the wicked to perish in everlasting hell: yet by my Lord's waiting for the wicked with hope that they will repent and be saved, until the sinners actually do, they continue to daily destroy his innocent sheep.
---Eloy on 4/29/11


God does not honor evil people, and neither do I. He did not make the lake of fire and brimstone in vain, neither did he command us to Judge righteous judgment in vain. When you condemn the innocent and acquit the guilty, you are God's enemy, and there is only wrath and a fearful looking for of his judgment for your wrongs. It is wrong to wink at sin and to turn a deaf ear and a blind to the wrongs of others, for in so doing you are a partaker of the sinners evil deeds. He calls us to act and to warn the wicked to repent, he does not call us to do nothing, for every "do nothing" is condemned both by my Lord and by myself.
---Eloy on 4/29/11


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God does not honor evil people, and neither do I. He did not make the lake of fire and brimstone in vain, neither did he command us to Judge righteous judgment in vain. When you condemn the innocent and acquit the guilty, you are God's enemy, and there is only wrath and a fearful looking for of his judgment for your wrongs. It is wrong to wink at sin and to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to the wrongs of others, for in so doing you are a partaker of the sinners evil deeds. He calls us to act and to warn the wicked to repent, he does not call us to do nothing, for every "do nothing" is condemned both by my Lord and by myself.
---Eloy on 4/29/11


eloy,

I hope God is more merciful for you than you are for these people. I would like you to remember king David, who murdered and committed adultery ,then tried to hide it. It was not until the prophet confronted him that he confessed and repented. These people have also chosen to repent. If they are condemned then so is David, you and me. I would encourage you to read 1John 1:7-10, they have confessed and repented. We are not called to condemn but restore with gentleness as Paul says.
---willa5568 on 4/28/11


willa5568, My sharp words are very proper. And you are wrong, for judgment begins in this life, and after death comes the final judgment of souls of either being welcomed into heaven or thrown into hell. But judgment always begins in this temporal life first: Be sure your sin will find you out. In this life we have pluses and minuses, when you live rightly then right will return back into your bosom, but when you do wickedly then wickedness will be multiplied back upon you. Man has set up courts and prisons to punish the wicked, and also promotions and rewards to honor the good: so likewise God has set up laws of health and sickess, blesing and woe, heaven and hell depending upon the individuals path taken in life.
---Eloy on 4/28/11


Eloy,

I see your zeal for God, but your harshness is not proper. Judgement comes on the day of judgement not in this life and I hope you noticed they decided to repent.

Please read 1Corinthians 4:5.
---willa5568 on 4/28/11


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willa5568, I reject your corruption of scripture, for I rightly discern true judgment as commanded, adn there are zero logs in my eyes, for I see rightly the condemned and the saved, the wicked and the holy. All whom corrupt scriptures to blaspheme the righteous do so onto their own condemnation.
---Eloy on 4/27/11


Mark,

Thank you very much. I really don't take what others say about me personal and to be honest I don't even think I can judge myself rightly. I just wanted to encourage him to consider the way he responds,for his own sake.

Be blessed brother
---willa5568 on 4/27/11


willa5568, I judge righteous judgment as commanded. God does not wink at sin: sinners need to be saved, for the wages of sin is death.
---Eloy on 4/27/11


Mark_V, The truth stands. The truth is not the lies and dilutions taught by the unsaved and blind guides in many churches today, but precisely what the Lord Jesus commanded. "Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from sin."
---Eloy on 4/27/11


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Eloy, I do love you, but I mention that to Willa so that he doesn't take the condemnation quotes you give personal. Some people get tor-up when you tell them to get born again. Questioning their faith. He is new on line and has never spoken bad to anyone.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/11


Brother Willa, you are just beginning to know Eloy. You have to remember he claims to be perfect, never sins. His not along, I believe a few others also claim sinlessness. Those are persons who speak all the time of the law, and those who believe the flesh has been redeemed already. Just don't take it personal with Eloy. He has said that to so many already and others who are very honest and make the claim, because they do not want to be recognize as sinners anymore but as saints, I myself don't mind those because they have a good reason, though they are not sinless. Eloy's statements come from someone who claims to have been born again twice. What does that tell you? That he was born again, sinned, repented again and is born again again.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/11


Eloy

I would caution you on your judgement, because by it you will be judged. Because they have sinned does not mean their faith is not real, nor less than 100%. They like we all, were drawn away and gave into there lustful desires. Or do you consider yourself blameless and have and do not give into sin?

Remember what Jesus said about removing the log from our own eye first so we can help others with their splinter. Be sure you have done so before you pass judgement.
---willa5568 on 4/27/11


willa5568, I do not "suggest" that because a sinner is in sin that their faith is not authentic, but instead I preach that they have zero faith, "for faith without works is 100% dead": not 10% dead, nor yet even 1% dead, but truly 100% dead. Truly, truly I say to you, within the space of only a few moments we born-again saints from God rightly discern and know full well whom is and whom is not saved, and whom is and whom is not of our body.
---Eloy on 4/27/11


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Some people confuse lust for love if God doesn't tell you that He/She is your husband/wife then it is wrong to marry, at the moment they are overtaken in lust but if they marry then they haven't truly repented for there sin. What they need to do is stop, step back, ask God, and if he says "He/She is your husband/wife go and get married" then according to his will marry if he says the latter "He/She is not your husband/wife" then stop lusting and move on.
---Gareth_Rodway on 4/27/11


thank you willa and donna, we have talked about this, when i suggest we don't do it til we marry he says its impossible to do. i don't understand why he isn't feeling convicted like i am. we have broken up, i told him i can't keep doing this cuz i don't feel close to God anymore, i choose to not fornicate, i choose God, but i'm soooo weak. i don't know what God has in store for me but i know i wanna do whats right. of course he's really upset with me and thinks theres more to us splitting up, i told him God knows the truth and so do i and thats all that matters. he is a believer and he does love God (my ex) but i question how much. thanks again for your responses, God bless you both. love in Christ, regina
---regina on 4/26/11


Eloy,

Are you suggesting that because they are in sin that there faith is not authentic? If so, and considering you have never met them, you have no idea what their fruit is, and besides they have decided to repent.
---willa5568 on 4/26/11


willa5568, And Christ is coming to divide the blasphemers apart from the holy tongues, and to separate the sinners from the saints, and the children of God from the children of the devil. And we know them by their fruits: whom is of Christ and whom is not of Christ: the fruitless and rotten branch is not of Christ, and they will be gathered up and thrown into the everlasting fire and they are burned.
---Eloy on 4/26/11


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the born again term is useless man-made idea ...mortal men taking a term used ONLY 3 times in Holy Scripture and making a cult following from it

either one is a FOLLOWER of Biblical Christ following Him in His examples

or one is a follower of ANOTHER christ 2Corin 4:11 and doing as they please

to repent from sin is to stop doing the sin ...one does not continue in sin while repenting as false ministers of world teach lawlessness yet preach fire and brimstone lol

stop sinning and marry

Christ simply said SIN NO MORE ...one is not sentenced to a life of exile like many twisted christian sects teach
---Rhonda on 4/26/11


Regina,

Have you told him how you feel about this? If so and he does not honor your request, then I would be very cautious to marry him. Another thing I would suggest you do, is to remember Joseph. He was intrapped by a women but ran. Paul tells us to flee sexual immorality, because it is a powerful sin and can consume us. And last do not put yourselves in a place were you are alone, Me and my wife had this problem as well and learned, that is the thing that allows you to fall, especially if you are weak in that area.
---willa5568 on 4/24/11


No remission, no Salvation.
(Luke 1:77)KJV
---David on 4/23/11

What is remission of sin?

Many of our Bibles today have replaced the word remission, with the word forgiveness.
But does the word remission have the same Biblical meaning as the word forgiveness?
If it does, then everyone who has confessed sin will be saved, according to (Luke 1:77).

According to (Luke 1:77), remission of sin is the sign of salvation, the sign that one has been set free from the sin that causes death.

(1John 3:9-10)KJV also gives us the sign of Salvation.
According to those verses, those who are born again do not sin.
There is only one way to keep a sinner from sinning, that is to remove sin, from sinful man.
---David on 4/25/11


Regina //you can't repent when you know your gonna do it again, right?????//

RIGHT. You understand repentance a lot better than your boyfriend! REAL repentance makes you WANT to NEVER sin that way again!

Your confusion may clear if you take a stand and insist on getting married. Set a deadline. Make it soon. I'm not saying this will make things automatically work out for you, though it might. In any case, you will be taking a stand for what is right. If you stick with it you will surely be blessed.
---Donna66 on 4/23/11


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To say a Christian cannot sin (fornicate) is to call ourselves perfect(sinless). Though we are Gods children we do sin and sometimes are captured by it. These people may have sinned (there is not hierarchy for sin) but they have chosen to repent.Are we to judge them and say they cannot be followers of Christ because of this? No! In 1Corinthians 5:1-5 Paul tells of a man who was in sexual immorality and they are not to fellowship with him. But in 2Corinthians 2:4-11 he tells them to restore, forgive and reaffirm there love for him so Satan will not outwit them.

So repent, get married, and may Gods blessing be on there marriage.
---willa5568 on 4/24/11


Mary, instead of "wishing" to be perfect, obey the Lord's Commandment and "Be you all therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
---Eloy on 4/23/11


Of course fornication is a sin and should not be committed.
If two people are in love then they should get married rather than abstain and "go crazy" desiring to physically be with the other person.
1Co7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
The Apostle Paul is speaking of burning with lust.
God gave us the desire to have a physical relationship. The desire is normal, but we, as Christians, have a responsibility to reign over our bodies in a Chris like manner. When we don't we bring reproach upon the bride of Christ. Do you believe Christ is pleased with this?
---trey on 4/23/11


I'm lost and confused over this issue
---regina on 4/22/11

Regina
When you repent, you do not overcome sin, it is through repentance, that we have remission of sin.(Acts 2:38)KJV
No remission, no Salvation.
(Luke 1:77)KJV
---David on 4/23/11


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my boyfriend and i were sexually active and it was tearing us apart, me more than him, but we had plans to get married, its an extremely hard thing to not do since both of us have been married before. i'm weak in that area, i don't know what to do. he thinks if we just keep repenting we will be fine, but i know it won't be. you can't repent when you know your gonna do it again, right???? i'm lost and confused over this issue
---regina on 4/22/11


James 3:10 "Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."
Mark 14:38 "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak."

Eloy, we all are capable to conquer a sin here or there, or a lot of sins here and there, even all the sins here or there at
some time. But to generalize that christians are totally spiritual is wrong. "I am 100% sure there is zero percent
Christians who fornicate", only in your mind which has come under question for years now.
---Nana on 4/22/11


If they have repented-they are forgiven-marry though ceremony is for them to decide.1 Cor 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Ez16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love, and [I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness]: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.Ruth3:9,

Gen29:21-28,Gen38:8-10---joseph on 4/17/11
understood and Agreed.
and---David on 4/22/11
If touching the subject of "representation" by our actions Ex20:7--I agree once it is understood.
---char on 4/22/11


Wish I were perfect Eloy, my husband and I blew it but we're forgiven and married now.
---Mary on 4/22/11


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Two born again Christians fornicate???

One who has been born of God, has been born of the Holy Spirit of God.
In (Matthew 12), Jesus warned the Pharisees for making the claim that Jesus, who was Born of God's Holy Spirit, did Evil.

If you tell the world that you are born of the God's Holy Spirit, are led by the Holy Spirit of God, who lives in you, are you not telling the world that the Spirit of God who lives in you, is Evil?

When you make such a proclamation before the whole world, are you not doing the same thing that the Pharisees did, that which prompted the warning from Jesus Christ?
I give you the same warning, for the same reason, "I love you."
---David on 4/22/11


donna, I am 100% sure there is zero Christians who fornicate. Again, Christians are holy, but NonChristians are unholy. There is no such thing as a born-again Christian fornicator: "as Christ is so are we Christians in this world." You cannot be Christianed and NonChristian too, you cannot be holy and spotted too, you cannot be righteous and sinuous too.
---Eloy on 4/22/11


DONNA ... That was not a dig.

Where I disagree with you, I will say so. In this case, I was agreeing with you!!!

What you said "Because I have Christian friends who not only fornicate but committ adultery and say that "God wants me to divorce my husband and get a real husband and she did it too"
...
was a clear case of your friend's wishful thinking, and mistaking it as God's will.

One friend of mine, pregnant with their 6th child, was abandoned by her husband, who later said "Jesus has forgiven my mistake ... the mistake of marrying you" (His subsequent two marriages also broke up!)
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/21/11


Donna ... Why assume it was a dig?

It was describing the attitude of your friend.

There have been other cases on these blogs, where Christians have said that God is telling them they should ditch the old spouse and marry the new dishy person.

Where do they get the idea that God is telling them this? It's pure wishful thinking masquerading as God's word ... Satan's work!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/21/11


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//Donna 5535 Wishful thinking masquerading as God's will!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/21/11//

alan, I see you're taking your fair share of digs at me today, why is that? I love you for the man of God that you are, but you are doing what satan does, attacking the brethren, why is that? Why do you not like me or my responses? They are true. You're shocking me with these attacks...to be honest alan, I have no clue what your response is implying but it sounds like a dig, an insult. And for that, I forgive you.

So are you saying the flesh dosn't wage war against the Spirit? Are you denying that truth?
---Donna5535 on 4/21/11


Donna 5535 Wishful thinking masquerading as God's will!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/21/11


//There is no such things as a born-again Christian fornicator: Eloy on 4/19/11//

Are you sure about that Eloy? Because I have Christian friends who not only fornicate but committ adultery and say that "God wants me to divorce my husband and get a real husband and she did it too.

Romans tells us that the flesh wages war against the Spirit ALL the time. We are in a war Eloy and satan is going after Christians much harder and much more than unsaved folks because he already has unsaved folks in his grip. Amen?
---Donna5535 on 4/21/11


willa5568, The son who was sleeping with his father's wife was not a Christian, instead he was only among the assembly of the Christians. Saint Paul continues to write about this NonChristian fornicator, "Purge him out, and do not comapany with fornicators." I Cor.5:7,9-13. The scripture is plain, the Christian is Christ-like, and the NonChristian is not Christ-like. Christ says, "Do people gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Even so every good tree brings forward good fruit, but a corrupt tree brings forward bad fruit. A good tree cannot forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits you all will know them."
---Eloy on 4/21/11


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If you do not believe A follower of Christ can not commit fornication then read 1Corinthians 5:5.
---willa5568 on 4/20/11


I'm sure glad my husband and I got married--one year ago. No more guilt! And a whole lot of love! :)
---Mary on 4/19/11


There is no such things as a born-again Christian fornicator: "as Christ is so are we Christians in this world." You cannot be Christianed and NonChristian too, you cannot be holy and spotted too, you cannot be righteous and sinuous too.
---Eloy on 4/19/11


Cluny---Good quote! I can think of few ideas more destructive than the notion that a couple, having had sex, are now "married in the eyes of God". Lots of arguments for this... but no scripture!
Usually this only provides an excuse to continue the fornication. Then the argument is "why should we marry? What difference does a piece of paper make?" They justify what they are doing by calling it a "marriage by God" but they don't want any of the legal responsibilities that usually accompany a marriage.

Few "Christians" like this WANT to repent...they are happy denying their sin.
If this couple REALLY wants to repent, they should do so and either physically part company or marry legally.
---Donna66 on 4/18/11


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We all make mistakes. Coming to that realization and repenting is an excellent first step.The hardest would be to not let it happen again.

If you choose to marry that would be a great way to avoid the temptation, but don't marry just because this occurred. You have to ask yourself do I love this person and want to spend the rest of my life with them? Or did we both just let ourselves get caught in a moment of loneliness/comprise?

Let God guide you in what the next step should be. If your desire is not to marry then do not allow yourselves to be alone together so that you can avoid this situation from happening again. Make sure that you both make yourselves accountable to someone that you trust and that can speak into your life.
---Lorinda on 4/18/11


Prayer for them. God knows who and how they really are.

Love can be disguised lust, not God bringing people together, if lust brings them together.

Also, there is selfish love which is anti-Christ > Jesus says, "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) So, they need to examine themselves about if they are loving the way Jesus wants . . . including "without complaining and disputing" (Philippians 2:14).
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/17/11


"Two born-again Christians fornicate... Is it right for them to marry?" Yes.
Biblically they married the first time they came together sexually if the female was a virgin, if not it was adultery. "Jacob said to Laban, "Give [me] my wife,..he took Leah ... to Jacob, and he went in to her. So it came to pass in the morning ... he said to Laban, What is this you have done to me? Was it not for Rachel that I served you?" Gen 29:21-28 Jacob married Leah when he "went in to her." There was no ceremony or even a promise to marry on Jacob part, never the less Leah was considered HIs wife. When Judah told Onan to "marry" his brothers wife he "went into her" constituting marriage. Gen 38:8-10
---joseph on 4/17/11


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