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What is your church doing to carry out the "great commission"? What type of activity are they using to fulfill the great commission?

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Cluny,

Because he had the nature of God does not make him God just as it did not make Adam God. He was the exact representation of Gods nature because he was His son just as Adam was.He had the freedom to sin just as Adam.If not the many times temptation is mentioned are false statements because you say he is God. Not only that he would be a liar and deceiver. Telling his disciples he had a God yet he knew he was God, as the trinitarian doctrine teaches. You will say, "he said that as a man" and I agree, that is what he is, a man who was Gods son and our Messiah.
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


Samuel,

it does not say one God, it says one God THE FATHER and one Lord Jesus Christ. If there is one God who is the Father as this says, then how can the son be God as well. You are changing what it says to fit your doctrine. The other passages I have given pointing out He was Jesus' God and Father, He is the only true God, He(the Father) is ONE God and so on fit very well with this statement Paul makes. You can show me no where Jesus or anyone other than the Pharisees say plainly Jesus is or claimed to be God (Thomas is invalid because Jesus says plainly 11 verses previous he is not God). On the contrary they say the opposite and you ignore what is plain, believing a mystery that has to be explained with unbiblical terms.
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


Dear Willia5568
In response to your post which starts with I Cor. 8:6 One GOD and one Lord are mentioned here. GOD is one which is what the trinity teaches that GOD is one. At the same time JESUS is one with the Father. Both are GOD and LORD. So I see this passage as affirming the core meaning of trinity that there is one GOD with more than one person.
Now you mention that we honor the son as we honor the Father, which you state you do not. But you did not tell me how you cannot do what this passage says we are supposed to do.

Cluny good point about JESUS having the same nature as his Father. Which means willa he could not have the nature of an angel since they are created beings and GOD is uncreated.
---Samuel on 5/23/11


\\.To be begotten is to be born.\\

Wrong again, willa.

A man can beget (the woman conceives, not begets) a child, and the child die in utero, by either induced or spontaneous abortion (commonly called miscarriage).

You need to learn the meaning of words, dear soul.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


Willa, Cluny is corredt! Oh how I love to agree with Cluny when he is right.
---mima on 5/23/11




Cluny,

what or who's nature did Adam have, an angel? What does image and likeness mean? Genesis 5:3, the image of Adam. Genesis 1:26, the image and likeness of God (concerning Jesus "He is the image of the invisible God-Colossians 1:15).To be begotten is to be born. Jesus was the only "born" son of God, Adam was the only created son of God. The only thing different is the way they came to being.
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


\\Jesus was created without sin, the son of God,\\

Wrong, willa.

Obviously, you don't know the difference between the words "created" and "begotten."

We create something DIFFERENT IN NATURE from ourselves. Beavers build dams, dogs dig holes, men build houses and such.

But we BEGET something OF THE SAME NATURE as ourselves. Beavers beget little beavers, dogs beget dogs, and men beget children.

Jesus is of the same NATURE as God, because He is BEGOTTEN of God, NOT created, and hence is God Himself.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


Mark,

Jesus was created without sin, the son of God, not son of Adam. Adam was created without sin, the son of God. Both were given all they had but only one retained it.Adam- Genesis 1:26-28 "God said,Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion...fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion.Adam sinned and lost it and brought death.
Jesus- "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me". Jesus received his by obedience to restore what was destroyed. Both were tempted only one was without sin. To say he had to be God is ridiculous and not biblical.
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


Samuel,

1 Corinthians 8:6 "for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER". Ephesians 4:6 "ONE GOD AND FATHER of all" How do you fit that into your theology?
Concerning honoring the son as you honor God. "The FATHER...HAS GIVEN ALL JUDGEMENT to the Son THAT all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father"26...He has GRANTED the Son also to have life in himself.27 ..HE(the Father) HAS GIVEN HIM (Jesus)AUTHORITY to execute judgment". If you do not honor the one sent you do not honor the sender who gave the authority (Matthew 21:32-40
1Peter 1:17 has no reference to Jesus.In 1:3 though "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


Willa,
So the force escalates relative to the understanding of the objector.

This seems to be you, so I have to ask - Are you trying to convince us or yourself?
---James_L on 5/21/11

No body is forced to drink. Willa provided witnesses given by GOD.

Individual does not have to read,accept or listen to any witness of GOD. Most don't!
While the debate may not be settled entirely by the weight of her provided witness. They are free to any who want verify for truth.
Witnesses are given by GOD, and posted for evaluation.
Where are yours?
Do you rely only on semantics of debating technique to shut down something you disagree with? Bravely show your witnesses from GOD?
---Trav on 5/23/11




when HE(Jesus) delivers the kingdom to God the Father...God has put all things in subjection under his(Jesus) feet...IT IS PLAIN that he is excepted who put all things in subjection...the Son himself will...be subjected to him, that GOD may be all in all"
---willa5568

In my understanding of the Trinity this makes perfect sense and fits with my theology.

Yes the word worship should sometimes be better translated homage. Is every time the word worshipped ues for JESUS is it always homage?

Also you have not reconcieled that we are to honor the son and the father the same? John 5:23 I Peter 1:17. Lastly unless a son is adopted they are of the same nature as their father.
---Samuel on 5/22/11


Willa, your correct when you said,

" If you will look at church history, not all of the christian faith say Jesus is God."

Many of those proclaiming to be Christians were heretics. You must have not ever taken a study on Christology. You have taken someones opinion and believed it.
You problem lies in that you have the wrong gospel. And you know what that means. For if Christ is not God, then He was not sinless, since Scripture tells us that all come short of the glory of God. All. And if Christ is not God then His not sinless and could not possibly save you from the law of God. And so you are still under the condemnation of the law. My advice to you is to study the nature, attributes and character of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/21/11


\\I hope you do not get the impression I am forcing you to accept what I say, that is not my intention.\\
---willa5568 on 5/19/11


Willa, I've followed your posts in a few threads. I debated face to face against someone with the same style, and I asked him "Are you trying to convince me or yourself?"

Usually those with the most forceful assertions are still trying to convince themselves. The stye is so forceful because the adherance is so fragile. So the force escalates relative to the understanding of the objector.

This seems to be you, so I have to ask - Are you trying to convince us or yourself?
---James_L on 5/21/11


John 14

8) ,Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


1 John 4

3) every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist
---Jasheradan on 5/22/11


//JESUS was both GOD and man so your passages are speaking of him in one sense.Samuel//

"...JESUS standing AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD" Acts 7:55 in heaven with the Father.

Being therefore EXALTED(by God) at the right hand of God

The declaration of Yahweh to my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool"

"Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN attested to you BY GOD"


"..when HE(Jesus) delivers the kingdom to God the Father...God has put all things in subjection under his(Jesus) feet...IT IS PLAIN that he is excepted who put all things in subjection...the Son himself will...be subjected to him, that GOD may be all in all"
---willa5568 on 5/20/11


Samuel,
Jesus said he was one with the Father . they were going stone him for making himself God, but he says "35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came...because I said, I am the Son of God?"Denies claiming to be God

"2 Where is he that is born King of the Jews?(which is what the Jews saw him as, the son of David, king)... we have come to worship him, . study the Greek word worship. Sebomai- to revere, to worship,only given to God. Proskuneo{ used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank}. This in no way implies he was worshiped as God.



I believe "1Corinthians 8:6 "..there is ONE GOD, the Father" that plainly says the Father alone is God
---willa5568 on 5/20/11


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JESUS was physically resurrected and is not in His new glorified body being worshipped with the Father. Revelation 13. He is still both GOD and man. True not all the men of the Early Church councils were Godly.

But the discussion is what does the bible say. To reconcile your passaages with mine for me is easy. JESUS was both GOD and man so your passages are speaking of him in one sense. That fits with my understanding. How does him being worshipped and equal to GOD fit with yours?
---Samuel on 5/20/11


Mark,

don't care what we are told we should believe.

I will leave this. This is Peter and Paul after Jesus ascended and Jesus himself before and after the resurrection.

Romans 15:6 " the GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ"

1Corinthians 8:6 "..ONE GOD, the Father"

Ephesians 4:5,6 " one Lord (Jesus)... ONE GOD AND FATHER of all,"

1Peter 1:3 "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!"

John 17:3 "this is life eternal, that they should know thee the ONLY true God, AND him whom thou didst send, [even] Jesus Christ"

John 20:17 I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
---willa5568 on 5/20/11


Also Mark,

If you will look at church history, not all of the christian faith say Jesus is God. This was established by a council of ungodly corrupt men. There were over 20 councils over this matter and Athanasius (the trinity) was only accepted 7 times with Arius having the rest.Of coarse the last going to Athanasius with Arius being banished to an island. Also during the 1500's and I am certain before there are the Socinians who rejected the divinity of Jesus.A man named Michael Servetus was burned at the stake by Calvin for rejecting the divinity of Christ as Arius and the Socinians did. This is not something new and is what the bible teaches not men. But you don't have to believe that either.
---willa5568 on 5/20/11


Willa, I'm glad you said to not let others tell you what to believe in including you. That was a good statement. Because I have followed what you said, and have taken everything in, and you are wrong when I compare what you say with Scripture. Christina, Samuel are correct. Now I don't know from what religion you come from, but it is not evangelical. For one of the essentials of the Christian faith is that Christ is God. I could give you many passages but it seems you have made up your mind.
---Mark_V. on 5/20/11


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Christina,

I hope you do not get the impression I am forcing you to accept what I say, that is not my intention. I always encourage people to examine what I say, not comparing it to what they may believe, but being objective, which is what I see you doing in seeking God about this. I hope you will take the scripture I have given and write it down. There is more on the Trinity blog. Study and God will show you if what I am saying is true or false, do not let others tell you what you should or should not believe, including me.

Gods Blessings to you Sister
---willa5568 on 5/19/11


samuel,

when Jesus was resurrected, was he still a man?
If so I agree. But if you say he has taken his seat as God the Son, then you are in error, for one simple fact. Jesus still said God was HIS God and his Father and even called the disciples his brothers.(Matthew 20:17). Wow, we are Gods brothers. Or is that only the man side?

You said how can a perfect man atone for our sins? Why do trinitarians say only God could do it? Because the man had to be perfect, correct. That is exactly what the second Adam did. He was obedient unto death, without sin.

You said only God can save us.
True, only God can save us. But how? Through the sacrafice of Jesus Christ, the lamb of God. Why is Jesus Saviour? Galatians 1:4
---willa5568 on 5/20/11


Willa,
Yes, I have read psalm 45, as well as what you wrote. I have prayed about it, and will continue to do so. I'm just not seeing it the way you are. I don't care about being right, or wrong, I just want to know the truth, and I am confident that the Lord will reveal His truth more fully, as well as show me where I am in error or have believed something other then the truth. He's taught me much, and changed my thinking/beliefs in many areas, and I know there is so much more still to know.
God bless you.
---Christina on 5/19/11


How blasphemous is that to say God the son has a God!
willa5568

Why? JESUS walked the earth as a man. Was not the Father still GOD? Was not JESUS living as our example?

Now you say Hebrews never says that the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world has to be GOD. But GOD is the Saviour of mankind. Hsa 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.

Whose death could atone for the sin of all mankind? The Law of GOD is Holy. How could the death of a angel or perfect human being atone for breaking the law of GOD?

Psalm 45 has one similar passage. But angels are not commanded to worship the king. We worship JESUS Rev. 5
---Samuel on 5/19/11


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mima,

This is what he says after the Father and I are one. He did not say they were equal but one.

John 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came...do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world(John 17:18 we have also been sent into the world)You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God?

"Do you not believe I AM IN THE FATHER and the Father is IN ME? The words that I say to you I DO NOT SPEAK ON MY OWN AUTHORITY, but the Father who dwells IN ME does HIS works"

"that THEY MAY BE ONE, just as you, Father, are IN ME, and I IN YOU, that THEY ALSO MAY BE IN US"
---willa5568 on 5/19/11


//If JESUS was just a man then his death could atone for no one. For each of us is responsible for our sins
Samuel//
This is from trinity blog no opportunity to respond.

Hebrews 4:16 " who IN EVERY RESPECT has been tempted (God cannot be tempted) AS WE ARE, yet WITHOUT SIN"

John 1:29 " behold, the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world"

Read Hebrews chp. 9-10,never says the sacrifice had to be God.
The Law called for a lamb without spot or blimish for the sin offering. Jesus, as Adam,(though Adam was formed from dust), was sinless from his birth and remained that way until he offered himself as the spotless lamb as redemption for Adams sin. He wasn't Adams seed as we are.
---willa5568 on 5/19/11


christina,

//clarification to Hebrews 1 is in psalm 45,how did you come up with that//

Did you read Psalm 45? if you study it you will see the exact words written in Hebrews. If the writer of Hebrews changes it to God, then the rest of what he says is not valid. First in vs. 2 GOD APPOINTED his son (Jesus) as heir who he(God) has spoken to us in these last days. vs.3 an "exact representation of his(Gods) very being, Jesus showed us who God is through his life.vs 4 "having BECOME as much superior to angels", because of his resurrection. 5,6,8 uses son, first born, Gods angels worship him at GODS command. 2:5 "not to angels that GOD SUBJECTED THE WORLD the world to come" also 2:9.
---willa5568 on 5/19/11


CraigA on 5/18/11,

Romans 15:6 "glorify the GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ"

1Corinthians 8:6 "..there is ONE GOD, the Father"

Ephesians 4:5,6 " one Lord (Jesus)... ONE GOD AND FATHER of all,"

John 17:3 "this is life eternal, that they should know thee the ONLY true God, AND him whom thou didst send, [even] Jesus Christ"

1Peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!"

These say so plainly who God is and who Jesus is.I do not know how anyone can not see this. Even Paul and Peter, who should know Jesus was God, said the Father was Jesus' God and Father. How blasphemous is that to say God the son has a God!
---willa5568 on 5/19/11


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Willa, If you are correct, and the clarification to Hebrews 1 is in psalm 45, how did you come up with that, and how would someone seeking know to look there?
Although I referred to a couple of verses in Hebrews, reading the whole chapter, seems to only further support That Jesus is being called God by the Father, so I don't believe it is out of context. I did not take 1 verse and try to give it another meaning, I just quoted it as written with some of the previous verses as well as verse that follow.
---Christina on 5/19/11


--GOD alone is to be worshipped. We are also to worship JESUS.--


Jesus Christ IS God so when you honor the Son you also honor the Father.

Christianity 101. Your statement confuses me.
---CraigA on 5/18/11


Where is he who has BEEN BORN KING OF THE JEWS? "they came ... to worship him".

Proskuneo

to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2. among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3. in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
a. used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
1. to the Jewish high priests
2. to God
3. to Christ
4. to heavenly beings
5. to demons

the word is not limited to worshiping God.He is a King, that is why they worshiped him.
---w on 5/18/11


GOD alone is to be worshipped. We are also to worship JESUS.

Hbr 1:1-8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.

I will put my trust in the son.
---Samuel on 5/18/11


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Christina on 5/17/11

you need to read the entirety of Psalms 45. This is who it refers to ,"You are the most handsome of the sons of men". The person being spoken about is not God but rather the king of Judah.In the Psalm it then says, Because "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness...God, your God, has set you above your companions". God(which is the word elohiym and can in refer to a ruler or judge as it does in this case) has set this King above his companions. ("Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name" Philippians 2:9)
---willa5568 on 5/18/11


Trav,

my dear brother it seems as if we are greatly out numbered!
Gods blessings and grace
---willa5568 on 5/18/11

Ha, scripture witnesses don't run.
Psalm 91
1He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

4He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, nor for the arrow that flieth by day,

7A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand, but it shall not come nigh thee.

9Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation,

---Trav on 5/18/11


//How do you explain The Father refrring to Jesus twice as God?
---Christina on 5/18/11//

How do you explain God referring to Jesus as His son and He was Jesus' God more times than I can count. Instead you would prefer to use two times that are taken out of context to say it refers to him being God
---willa5568 on 5/18/11


Willa, The Word speaks for itself. I don't need to prove anything. How do you explain The Father refrring to Jesus twice as God?
---Christina on 5/18/11


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Christina,

...therefore GOD,YOUR GOD, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

Does God have a God? Not going to prove your point with this verse.
---willa5568 on 5/18/11


Trav,

my dear brother it seems as if we are greatly out numbered! But it is good to know I am not alone in understanding who Jesus truly is on this blog site.

Gods blessings and grace
---willa5568 on 5/18/11


Dear Trav thank you for the compliment. I need some clarificaiton. I am not sure what you mean by witness in this case.
Could you please explain what you mean?
---Samuel on 5/17/11


Sorry,....Meant Scriptural witnesses....should have been plural.
Witnesses in the Old Testament that will verify the "letters of the Apostles".
If Christ fulfilled all the Prophets....that is why you/we believe in him. Confirmation.
The Prophets are established as witnesses.
These Old Testament prophets rarely agree with most modern "teachings",doctrines. So they are avoided thereby.
There lies the danger for a "good man".
---Trav on 5/17/11


As posted in another blog, Willa,

Hebrews 1:8-9 But about the Son he says,

Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness,
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy
---Christina on 5/17/11


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Obviously, you're a fine man Samuel. More faithful in ignorance perhaps than i in knowledge.
You don't,ask or recognize the witnessing balance of the truth/Gospel. Your unsupported by witness, teaching's, the only rebuke I'd have of some post.
---Trav

Dear Trav thank you for the compliment. I need some clarificaiton. I am not sure what you mean by witness in this case.

Could you please explain what you mean?
---Samuel on 5/17/11


John 10:30,
" I and my Father are one."
---mima on 5/17/11


I want to point out the "everlasting Father" part of Isaiah. Jesus is not the Father so I would find it difficult to say this means he is God.
---willa5568 on 5/16/11


As Bridegroom who cometh, for Israel again....redeemed, free to remarry. He takes the same position after death, that he took previously in the first marriage. This second covenant marriage, complete.
Isaiah 62:5
For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
---Trav on 5/17/11


//yes Trav the Prophets speak of JESUS being GOD. Isa 9:6... The everlasting Father --Samuel on 4/29/11//

Samuel,

1Corinthians 8:6 "ONE GOD and Father of all"
Ephesians 4:6 "there is ONE GOD, the Father"

I want to point out the "everlasting Father" part of Isaiah. Jesus is not the Father so I would find it difficult to say this means he is God.
---willa5568 on 5/16/11


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I preach the Gospel where and when ever possible. My goal is to uplift JESUS.
Yes Trav JESUS is also called a son.
---Samuel on 5/16/11

Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the "law",

Obviously, you're a fine man Samuel. More faithful in ignorance perhaps than i in knowledge.
You don't,ask or recognize the witnessing balance of the truth/Gospel. Your unsupported by witness, teaching's, the only rebuke I'd have of some post.
---Trav on 5/16/11


I preach the Gospel where and when ever possible. My goal is to uplift JESUS.

Yes Trav JESUS is also called a son. As well as being called the Mighty GOD and name for the only true GOD. JESUS is both GOD and Man.
---Samuel on 5/16/11


Matthew 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them...teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you."

It's not activities it's preaching the gospel of the kingdom and making disciples. The scripture gives a very clear understanding of how it is carried out. The question is not what is the church doing, but what are you doing.
---willa5568 on 5/15/11


A few traditions of men as Cluny likes to say. 1)Why does church start at 11:00? Farmers needed time to milk cows Sunday morning. 2) Why do priest swing the incense bowl down the isle? Long ago people did not wash often, no deodorant, no AC so people smelled really badly. 3) What is the purpose of steeples on top of churchs? So people who could not read would remember to keep looking to heaven. There are traditions of men everywhere in Christianity it is not wrong that is just the way it is.
---Scott on 5/13/11


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Local - shoe give away for kids at a local school, relevant, exciting worship services
regional - new campuses so people can invite more people to church, food drive for alabama
global - kenya mission trips and food drive for Japan.
---Scott on 5/13/11


having read the comments on this blog, there are very few direct answers, possibly because there is very little agreement on this "so called great commission"
It doesn't take long, to realize that the commission to the eleven doesn't line up with our God-given message and ministry later revealed to Paul.
---michael_e on 5/3/11


yes Trav the Prophets speak of JESUS being GOD.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
---Samuel on 4/29/11

Well, there ya go. Now you call the collective what?

Your witness says his names are:
1. Wonderful.
2. Counsellor.
3. Mighty GOD.
4. Everlasting Father.
5. Prince of Peace.

Additionally recognized as "child" & "son".

This should put several questions to rest and start other.
---Trav on 5/2/11


yes Trav the Prophets speak of JESUS being GOD.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
---Samuel on 4/29/11


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Trav:

You asked: Do the prophets speak of Sheep?

Yes:

Isaiah 53:6
"All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

Zechariah 13:7
"Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

Micah 2:12
"I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel, I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men."
---StrongAxe on 4/29/11


Is this tradition contrary to the Bible? After all does not the phrase as a commission refer to the passage.

Trinity is a man made word to define a Theological term. But it is biblical.
---Samuel on 4/24/11

Apply the test. Do the prophets speak of it. Jesus and the Apostle referred to the Prophets. If they wouldn't hear Moses.... ring a bell?

If there is a commission...we would surely begin with Christ own directives, Matt 10:6 and Matt 15:24...that uses the words sheep....Lost Sheep.

Do the prophets speak of Sheep?
Seems the sheep are still lost....no one ever mentions them. More notably the "shepherds". Perhaps just an inappropriate title for them.
---Trav on 4/28/11


Cluny:

Calling Matthew 28:19-20 "The Great Commission" or Matthew 5:3-12 "The Beatitudes", or Luke 1:46-55 "The Magnificat", etc. just provides a convenient way to talk about them without having to quote chapter and verse all the time. Such names as such don't impose any unecessary obligations on others (which is the reason why "traditions of men" are harmful).
---StrongAxe on 4/25/11


\\How about Matthew 28: 19-20, this is what is referred to when using the term "great commission." This is in reference to "go, teach, and make disciples."
---tommy3007 on 4/23/11\\

In other words, tommy, NOWHERE does the Bible use the formula "great commission".

Calling it thus is just a tradition of men.
---Cluny

Is this tradition contrary to the Bible? After all does not the phrase as a commission refer to the passage. Trinity is a man made word to define a Theological term. But it is biblical.
---Samuel on 4/24/11


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Donaa66,

I was just making a reference to what I have heard in many churches in the past decade or so.

The modern "altar call" seems to be "come to Jesus, He can change your life"


But I don't see that offer in scripture.

What I see is "come to Jesus, He can save you from a big, hot fire"

People rejoice when someone is now "serving the Lord" but knows nothing about the gospel message

Jesus said many will call Him Lord, and He will reply that He never knew them. That's because their "life" was changed, but it was not grounded in faith, so their eternal destiny remained the same, and it was all for naught.
---James_L on 4/24/11


\\How about Matthew 28: 19-20, this is what is referred to when using the term "great commission." This is in reference to "go, teach, and make disciples."
---tommy3007 on 4/23/11\\

In other words, tommy, NOWHERE does the Bible use the formula "great commission".

Calling it thus is just a tradition of men.
---Cluny on 4/23/11


James L.--- I thought it was understood that I meant lives "changed" by the redeeming power of Jesus Christ.
The things I mentioned, Bible studies, teaching and sharing the Gospel, prayer, don't convince people to buy vacuum cleaners. Sorry if you thought otherwise.
---Donna66 on 4/23/11


//---Cluny on 4/22/11
BCV, please.//

there is no verse using the term "great commission" that is why I said so called.
Parts of Matt.28 Mk 16 etc is what most erroneously believe to be the "great commission that we are to carry out
---michael_e on 4/23/11


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\\Not much evangelism to SEE in this church but, one by one, lives are changed.\\
---donna66 on 4/22/11


Too many churches are changing lives without changing eternal destinies.

If a changed life is all that is desired, one only has to wathch late-night info-mercials. Thay all promise to change your life.

Real estate investing, internet marketing, acne medicine, plastic surgery, weight loss, hair implants, blenders, vacuum cleaners, etc. All of them promise to "change your life"

Reducing the gospel promise to a "changed life" reduces Christ to no better than a vacuum cleaner.
---James_L on 4/23/11


Where does the Bible use the formula "great commission"?

BCV, please.
---Cluny on 4/22/11

How about Matthew 28: 19-20, this is what is referred to when using the term "great commission." This is in reference to "go, teach, and make disciples."
---tommy3007 on 4/23/11


Unfortunately, many churches are churning out "disciples" who do not believe in Him.

John 6:60-64

But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them,

"Does this cause you to stumble?

It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing, the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

But there are some of you who do not believe"
---James_L on 4/22/11


I don't know what you expect to see in a church that carries out "the great commission". Evangelistic meetings weekly, monthly? Door-to door ministry? TV broadcasts?

There are thousands of churches too small, too unknown, too poor to undertake many of the above.

But in any one may be of the guy who holds a bible study (off the clock) at the workplace...or a stay-at-home mom who serves snacks to her children's friends and shares the gospel with them. Perhaps one of the members is a nurse who offers to pray with her patients, a beautician who keeps Christian tracts in her shop, a coach who leads a prayer before his team plays.

Not much evangelism to SEE in this church but, one by one, lives are changed.
---donna66 on 4/22/11


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\\We are just spreading the truth that JESUS died for our sins, \\

Ritual redemption, that's all you're offering.

That and filthy rags.

**I don't see any church carrying out the so called "great commission, they can't even agree what the "great commission is.
---michael_e on 4/22/11**

Where does the Bible use the formula "great commission"?

BCV, please.
---Cluny on 4/22/11


I don't see any church carrying out the so called "great commission, they can't even agree what the "great commission is.
---michael_e on 4/22/11


\\The Seventh day Adventist church broadcasts on Radio in most of the world\\

Dead works.
---Cluny

Interesting. I was answering what we do. Not saying it earns any favor. We are just spreading the truth that JESUS died for our sins, Rose again on the third day, Inteceeds for us in heaven, you must be Born Again and to follow JESUS. That is our marching orders from JESUS. It earns us nothing to do what we are told to do. So I do not understand your comment.
---Samuel on 4/22/11


The denominational structure of organized religion was never called to "The great commission," Apostles of Christ were.
---joseph on 4/22/11


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Of course there are many churches that plan to skip town 7 years before the great commision is due!!!
---John on 4/21/11


\\The Seventh day Adventist church broadcasts on Radio in most of the world\\

Dead works.
---Cluny on 4/21/11


\\When someone comes up for prayer they never get a chance to cry out to God and really have their needs met. \\

As I've said elsewhere, the Church is NOT about getting people's needs met.
---Cluny on 4/21/11


The Seventh day Adventist church broadcasts on Radio in most of the world. We have missionaries in every country that allows them and some churches in countries that do not allow foreign missions.

I try my best to talk about JESUS and his death for all who I can get to listen.
---Samuel on 4/21/11


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It is very important to have example leaders so people who trust in Christ can get to know these people so they discover how to be real and submissive with God and how to relate in love that is God's Family love. "Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as ones who must give account." (in Hebrews 13:17) So, in order to disciple people, we need to be with the leader "examples" (1 Peter 5:3) who God trusts to lead us. I'd say our church has people like this to feed us their love example and the word.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/21/11


I won't go there because Cluny has already done that. I will be nice and tell you. Not much these days. Very little altar calling and prayer in the church. When someone comes up for prayer they never get a chance to cry out to God and really have their needs met. The church is on a tight time schedule. But there is some prayer(very little) A lot of basket passing(money) and singing. Not much to get anyone saved.
---Robyn on 4/21/11


What is YOURS doing, mima?

Oh, yes. That's right. You boast that you're not a member of any local congregation.
---Cluny on 4/21/11


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