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A bishop has suggested that Faith schools have no more than 10% of scholars from that Faith. This will ensure that at least 90% come from outside that Faith. Giving increased opportunity to get more to understand and accept the Faith?

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Char: you comments of so-called 'Congressional records' are only a quote, from a member, of a book called '"The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen'

If you read the site you quote, it is obvious the member, Mr.Herlong, is only quoting a book.
---James on 9/4/11

//Not really. They just went underground and now control our (US) government.
---jerry6593 on 8/22/11//

This is interesting, here is #9, #15 and #16 on the list:

#9 Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

#15 Capture one or both of the political parties in the United Stattes.

#16 Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

I just found this list interesting.
I am trying to keep my eyes open and be watchful.
---char on 8/25/11

Whom is that bishop that suggests that "Faith schools" enroll only 10% of scholars from "that Faith"? And which "Faith" is he suggesting this criteria?
---Eloy on 8/22/11

Cluny: "And by trying to avoid atomic war with the Soviet Union and Communism, we have outlasted them."

Not really. They just went underground and now control our (US) government.
---jerry6593 on 8/22/11

//And by trying to avoid atomic war with the Soviet Union and Communism, we have outlasted them.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/11//

Amen to that.

The University of Michigan at Dearborn is planning to build foot baths for Muslim students who wash their feet before prayer. An elementary school in San Diego created an extra recess period for Muslim pupils to pray.

At George Mason University in Fairfax, Va., Muslim students using a "meditation space" laid out Muslim prayer rugs and separated men and women in accordance with their Islamic beliefs.

(From "Some say schools giving Muslims special treatment" by Oren Dorell, 2011 USA TODAY)

Eze 33:6
---char on 8/20/11

What date was assigned for the goal to cease, I wonder?

Deut 28:15, "But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:"
---char on 8/20/11

\\Web search: Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35\\

Can you give a date for this? The Congressional Record is an official journal by Congress and is dated.

I just checked what you referred to. This took place nearly 50 years ago. And by trying to avoid atomic war with the Soviet Union and Communism, we have outlasted them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/11

Web search: Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

A sample of few goals from the list,

#17 Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum.Get control of teacher' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social religion".Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state".
---char on 8/15/11

Scott is so right.Many Christian schools start off well. Our church had a very good Christian school going for several years. But the parents whose kids were no longer welcome in public schools because of behavior problems, begged us the take their youngsters. They were willing to pay any tuition we charged. But our Christian school couldn't handle them any better than the public schools. The Christian students were suffering. Finally our Christian school had to shut it's doors.
---Donna66 on 5/12/11

Where i live a lot of people who go to church based education schools were kicked out of public schools.
---Scott on 5/11/11

John ... Just try!!

There's no need to do it in sentences. Just single words.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/9/11

John ... What is specially wrong with the Baptists?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/8/11

Hmmm?? Lets see....

I can tell you Alan, but I only have 125 words!

---John on 5/8/11

John ... What is specially wrong with the Baptists?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/8/11

What is it with this guy JOHN and the CAPS!!!????
---jacqueline on 5/1/11

You don't know who he is??? Why he's the Lone Ranger!!!!!

(Certainly NOT Baptist!)
---John on 5/2/11

What is it with this guy JOHN and the CAPS!!!????

Southern Baptist, Hellfire and Brimstone preacher?
---jacqueline on 5/1/11

JOHN 4/25/11 - Does satan teach God -

2 CORINTHAINS 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,tranforming themselves into apostles of christ
2 CORINTHAINS 11:14 And no wonder! for satan is transfrom into a angel of light.
2 CORINTHAINS 11:15 Therefore it no great thing if his minsters are also transform themselves into minsters of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works,
---RICHARDC on 5/1/11

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I'd like to see the context this was said, alan.

---John on 4/25/\\

Well, you try to teach Christians, John.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/11

KarenD I have looked this up in and English English dictionary, and see it refers to someone of academic ability. This could be a student, or pupil of outstanding ability, who is given a sholarship at a prestigious school.

But generally, the overall meaning would tend to be towards someone of academic ability, or a learned person, rather than to a pupil or student.

So I did not use the best word ijn my question! But it is commonly used here to mean pupil, so I was not wholly wrong!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/26/11

The problem is that the word "scholars" refers to students, not teachers!!!!
---KarenD on 4/26/11

---John on 4/25/11

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Alan: Sounds like that bishop is an idiot. What's the purpose of faith schools if they are no different than government schools? Do the faith schools receive government funds?
---jerry6593 on 4/26/11

"So 90% of pupils must come from those who say they have no faith or that they are not Christian."
I can see no reason for this except perhaps they are seeking to concert through the educational system. I can see why perhaps parents of no faith would consider sending their children to a "faith school" however I do not see why parents of a particular faith would want to expose their children to a different faith. Chances are with that philosophy any school that would agree to that principle will have very few students.
---Josef on 4/26/11

I wonder how far these differences in the language go!

Mike seems to think that when I refer to only 10% Christian pupils allowed in a Christian led school, I am talking about the teachers!!

In the UK, the word "pupil" refers to those being taught ... the children.

It means that many Christian parents will be prevented from sending their children to a Christian school, because they are Christian

While many non-Christian parents will be able to insist on their children going to the Christian school, because they are non-Christian

Do you understand now, Mike?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/25/11

Mike ... Please read my qustion, not the title the Mods gave it.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/25/11

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non christians teaching christians? but what kind of teachings you get from christians? give your $100 & it will turn into $10,000. wow just great teaching.
---mike on 4/25/11

alan8566...You have probably already come to the conclusion that the English language has pretty much gone to the dogs in the USA.
---KarenD on 4/25/11

It just shows how different American english and British english can be!!

A "Faith" school in Britain is one operated by a religious group ... in most cases the Church of England, but we have others including Jewish and Muslim

The proposal is that the Church of England schools would not be able to have more than 10% of its pupils coming from professing Christian families.

So 90% of pupils must come from those who say they have no faith or that they are not Christian.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/24/11

Alan-of-UK Thanks for the clarification. I understand the purpose, but NOT the numbers! I can see requiring 10%, or possibly a bit more, of students to be from outside the faith. But peer pressure is strong. If 90%
are UN-believers, will it not be quite difficult for Christian students to maintain their faith and Christian behavior?

In the US, some non-religious parents send their children to private church sponsored schools because of the smaller classes and wholesome atmosphere. (In fact, some are sent because they are incorrigible in public school.)
But when these children outnumber those who are believers...disciplinary problems increase. And Christian parents see their youngsters losing interest in a life of faith
---Donna66 on 4/24/11

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If you are talking about the English Episcopal organization, I'm concerned that he might be trying to set up something based on his own theory of what should work for people he doesn't even know personally.

I would say get to know each person being considered for the school. And bring in ones who suit whatever is your purpose. You would not bring Muslims, for example, into a school for preparing Christian pastors.

However, you could have a special course for sharing understanding between Christians and non-Christians. The non-Christians could study with their own preferred schools, while visiting to take only the inter-faith exchange course in the faith school, and get credit.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/24/11

What "faith" are they trying to get someone to accept?

Outside THAT FAITH?? The RCC Faith? Reformed faith? Mormon faith?
---kathr4453 on 4/25/11

Thanks for clarifying the blog question, Alan. I am sure, that is the prayer for the faith schools.

My church has a daycare center that is an outreach of unsaved families. Many parents from our daycare do come to Christ and begin to raise their children as believers.
---Trish on 4/23/11

Alan, what is a faith school?

Can faith be taught? Can you teach one to believe?

I would say 90% of those in the pulpit are not christians and come out of these ?? faith schools. They are called Hirlings.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/11

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Even the Webmaster could not understand my question, so I worded it badly!!

What has happened is tha an English bishop has suggested that Church schools be allowed to have only 10% of its pupils coming from its own faith.

So a specifically Christian school would can only have 10% Christian children.

90% would have to come from other faiths or no faith.

That to me seems daft!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/23/11

alan8566...It appears as if this moderator did not know that scholars means the students, not the teachers. However, I will tell you that when I worked for the Salvation Army drug/alcohol rehab that the counselors were not required to be Christians and most were not. They were required to be licensed by the state.
---KarenD on 4/23/11

A "Faith" can mean a denomination of Christianity. So, Alan, maybe this "bishop" means that a school of a certain denomination or organization needs to get Christians of other groups to teach, so people of that school's "faith" have input from ones outside their own organization . . . so you don't get inbreeding, and so all can help each other to better than what they each already have learned (1 Corinthians 8:1-2). But I think we learn best by walking with Jesus and with His "examples" (1 Peter 5:3) who have been "tested" "first" in real life (1 Timothy 3:1-10).
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/23/11

Alan, the mod did not know that Scholars means Students. He thought it meant Teachers. Most Americans don't know that. :-)
---Alan_theJohn.usa on 4/23/11

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Not sure what this bishop is hoping to gain from this. If he is convinced he has "the real thing" why does he want outside influence?
---wivv on 4/23/11

WOW this question is a riddle ,right?
---tom2 on 4/23/11


I must say that the wording of your post did indicate that the 90 percent would be non-faith oriented professors.

Thus causing one to think the 90 per would be teachinh the assumed Christian pupils.

And the last statement indicated, to me, that the Bishops point was to bring the 90 per to Christ.

You picked a subject in the body which was the professor and that subject seemed to carry into the third clause as well.

Sorry but a little confusing.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 4/23/11

Another blog where the Mod's title has altered the question! Not only altered but completely reversed it!!

It is not non-Christians teaching Christians, but the pupils at the faih school being 90% not Christian!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/23/11

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