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"Everything in the Bible is for us to learn, and not everything in the Bible applies to us today." "All Scripture is for our edification, ... for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus". A contradiction here?

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I believe there are no contradictions in the Word of God.I fthe Word says that all scripture is for our edification, I believe it, even if it does not DIRECTLY apply. there is always something to be gleaned from every word in the bible, with prayer, and Gods revelation, it will be made known to us, what that is. Much of the Word, has layers of meaning...so rich, I am sometimes amazed at how I can read something multiple times and get more from it each time
---Christina on 5/2/11


Samuel, you say ok to my answers yet keep going on. Concerning Wesley writing to some guy, I've not read his writings but I did not see "Saturday" Sabbath on what you wrote. I have already answered you, I have no problem with the Sabbath. I have a problem with you telling me that it has to be on a Saturday or else.
Concerning the "bond" you are talking about which I don't find on any of my Bibles on Col. 2:14, but if it is the same interpretation in the Greek, word "hand writing" referred to the handwritten certificate of debt by which a debtor acknowledged his indebtedness. v. 16, "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths" You judge us.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/11


John, Fine now, thanks for asking...it's comforting to know that I'm not the only one on here that takes a beating.
Our military give their lives so we can enjoy religious freedom, for this I am humbly grateful!
(actually I learn a lot from these blogs!))
---1st_cliff on 5/2/11


All the laws that applied to christ apply to me also, for I am a follow of Christ
---francis on 5/2/11


Genesis 23:12 "on the seventh day thou shalt rest, that thine ox and thine ass may have rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the sojourner, may be refreshed"

Mark 2:28 "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

Will you say a person who is poor and is in desperate need is breaking the sabbath if they work on that day? Also how well does the church provide or even desire to know for or about the poor in their church?
---willa5568 on 5/2/11




John Wesley Speaks to a Sabbath Breaker

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Have you forgotten who spoke these words? Or do you set him at defiance? Do you bid him do his worst? Have a care. You are not stronger than he. Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth, but woe unto the man that contendeth with his Maker. He sitteth on the circle of the heavens, and the inhabitants of the earth are as grasshoppers before him!
On this day, above all, cry aloud, and spare not, to the God who heareth prayer. This is the day he hath set apart for the good of your soul, both m this world and that which is to come.
---Samuel on 5/2/11


I respect your use of G''d. I understand for you it is honoring God's holiness, just keep doing it unto the Lord.>---willa

Thanks Willa, I am trying to be as reverent in my walk as possible. I see today Christianity as a mere facade of the dedication/obedience we see in Jesus, His Disciples and early followers. Today we hear "Im saved by Grace" "Im not under the Law". Terms that are conveniently used as cop-outs to our responsibilities to Christ. Very little emphasis on Sanctification. Though I see it more in traditional churches, but not in Evangelicals. I see "I'm saved by Grace" so I just need to sit on my couch and watch TV. Because Jesus Fulfill everything for me. Its mainly use as an excuse today.
---John on 5/1/11


Samuel, yes, the whole Bible is for us to learn, but not all the commands to Israel apply to us... I believe many who argue for the law, want everything for Israel to apply to us, this way they can throw the Saturday Sabbath...

There's three aspects of the law,
1. ceremonial (those ritual...
2. the judicial or civil (those laws God prescribed for use in Israel's civil goverment, don't apply,
3. moral laws (that body of moral precepts that possess universal, abiding applicability for all humanity). Mark_V.

Amen. I agree with you. I would only add a 4th Sanitation and health laws. 1. and 2. can teach us but do not apply to us. Now I believe the Sabbbath is a Moral law.

Praise the LORD.
---Samuel on 5/1/11


John, **There are no vowels in Hebrew** actually there have always been vowels in Hebrew, just not written!
---1st_cliff on 4/30/11

Hey Buddy how are you feeling? Hope all is going well for you!

Technically, Hebrew has what are called 1/2 Vowels. This allows for the Verbal Pronunciation.

I'm referring to Ancient Hebrew. Not Modern Hebrew.
---John on 5/1/11


John,

I respect your use of G''d. I understand for you it is honoring God's holiness, just keep doing it unto the Lord.

Samuel,

What commandments other than the 10 commandments, which encompass all the moral laws, are you referring to?
---willa5568 on 5/1/11




John, **There are no vowels in Hebrew** actually there have always been vowels in Hebrew, just not written!
In order to be spoken, a language has to have vowels or it's not pronounceable!
Vowels were added "orally" and later "vowel points" and finally written ones!
---1st_cliff on 4/30/11


Christians worship God and show reverence through loving him. How does one love him? By loving others above oneself. Not the way one writes his name, or how one kneels, or any of the countless other worldly deeds, rituals, and traditions of men.
---Steveng on 4/30/11


Samuel, yes, the whole Bible is for us to learn, but not all the commands to Israel apply to us under the new economy. It's silly to argue they do. There's no "eye for an eye" Jesus said, to turn the other cheek. I believe many who argue for the law, want everything for Israel to apply to us, this way they can throw the Saturday Sabbath in their argument. There's three aspects of the law,
1. ceremonial (those ritual observances that pointed forward to the final atonement in Christ) we now have Christ,
2. the judicial or civil (those laws God prescribed for use in Israel's civil goverment, don't apply,
3. moral laws (that body of moral precepts that possess universal, abiding applicability for all humanity).
---Mark_V. on 5/1/11


John: I apologize for igniting a firestorm over something so trivial as a single letter. ---jerry6593 on 4/29/11

So far we have about 200+ posts and 3 Blogs over my use of G-d. Rather a lot of criticism/riducule over an -O-.

It seems they want to take me out the East Gate and stone me! They've done it before.

Of course its not the -O- that angers them, but the truth I have spoken to them and for this Truth which offends their confort zone and traditions they seek revenge and in their hearts wish to kill me.

So do I change G-d to God to please and seek the approval of these men?

Or continue to please G-d.

Keep up the Good Fight Jerry!
---John on 4/29/11


\\I am talking about "MY" personal worship (The Traditions of John only!) \\

\\"Jerry this is how I worship G-d and show reverence to Him. It is in the Oral Traditions, and is observed by Orthodox/Conservative Jews as well as many Gentile Christians." (John)\\

Make up your mind, John.

Is it the tradition of John?

Or the tradition of the Jews?

First you say one thing, then you say another.

I prefer to follow the Tradition of Christ and the Apostles, myself.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/11


John ... Why do you make up these untruths about MarkV and Leon?

Neither has ridiculed you for kneeling to pray.

What do you hope to gain by your lies? They won't be true, even if you SHOUT them
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/29/11


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Dear Mark V

The command to Abraham like that to Noah was to one person. Not to anyone else. But these stories teach us and guide us.

The Commands on the Gates was by Nehemiah and was not part of Torah law. There are 613 commandments in Torah. Not Thousands.

Paul wrote all the Old Testament is for believers.
1Cr 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
They are for doctrine 2 tim. 3 What do you say these passages mean?

Do you believe that since all the Old Testament laws are done away with you can disobey all of them? Do you believe that you have to not obey them to prove you are saved by Grace?
---Samuel on 4/29/11


John, when have I ridiculed you?
You said:

"I have been severely rediculed and literally Laughed at by MarkV and Leon. So I ask them if they also laugh at a man who kneels to pray. (NO response)."

I have disagreed with you answers that all commands to Israel apply to us under Grace, and I am not laughing as you say, there is nothing to laugh about when it comes to the Word of God. You told me that I was coping out, only because I do not agree with your answer, And you never ask me If I laugh at you if you kneel to pray. I would never laugh at anyone who kneels down for Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/29/11


John .. but you issue plenty of other condemnations!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/29/11


BTW--Notice how zealously John defends his own favorite traditions and condemns those of others.
---Cluny on 4/28/11

Nope! Not a good arguement Cluny! Too feeble.

YOU SEE...

I am talking about "MY" personal worship (The Traditions of John only!)

As I said 100s of time I never impose it on anyone.

YOU HOWEVER...

post your Ortho Pagan Traditions as if they were Doctrines of G-d.

You impose your traditions on other to follow as if your Church was The True Church. (I.E. THE GOSPEL)

I simply use G-d instead of God and never ask anyone to follow or comdemn anyone for using God.

What foods you eat is your business and should not be a stumbling block to others.

---John on 4/28/11


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No contradiction. The reason there "seems" to be contradictions in scripture is because of defintions. There are literal defintions and spiritual definitions, there are metaphors and symbolism, there is the Old Covenant and the New Covenant or the Old Testament and the New Testament, but people confuse these two opposing ends of the word. There are also various definitions for one word, and the right definition must be used according to the context of the passage, else a wrong definition be comprehended and the reader be misled. The same for the subject matter in the passage, the subject of the passage must be considered, else the scripture be misapplied and miscontexted.
---Eloy on 4/29/11


the word of YHWH is to be used as it is not what we think or say.
after all it is his way and not what we think cause we can be wrong but YHWH never is...
---moses on 4/29/11


\\Jerry this is how I worship G-d and show reverence to Him\\

Ah, but which god, John?

YHVH, Elohim, or Baal?

You certainly get upset at the truth that Ignatius and I proclaim.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/11


john ... I've been scratching my head!!

I can't recollect anyone here laughing about people kneeling to pray. I don't think it has even been discussed

So why suggest that Mark and Leon whould ridicule you for this?

nd th thrs r rght ... Hr w spk nglsh, nt Hbrw. Y r flwng th cstm f nthr lngug

& t dsnt wrk n nglsh
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/29/11


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John: I apologize for igniting a firestorm over something so trivial as a single letter. I note that many of those who attacked you over this are the same ones who regularly attack me for the high crime of suggesting that we obey God's handwritten Ten Commandments. Yours is surely the lesser crime.
---jerry6593 on 4/29/11


Why would anyone ridicule you for kneeling to pray?
---Warwick on 4/28/11

I suppose that question would be best asked to MarkV and Leon.
---John on 4/28/11


"Jerry this is how I worship G-d and show reverence to Him. It is in the Oral Traditions, and is observed by Orthodox/Conservative Jews as well as many Gentile Christians." (John)

I know John. That custom is part of Jewish Law (traditions). See? You do uphold non-biblical traditions, after all! While you condemn the Traditions of the Apostles, preserved by their successors down the ages, you uphold and cherish the traditions of your Jewish Fathers.

No wonder you dislike Christianity so much. It seems that you are a Messianic Jew or something like that.

Christ is Risen!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 4/28/11


I see a lot of disagreement about commandments we should or shouldn't keep. I think it would be good to establish exactly what you mean when you say commandments. If you are referring only to the ten commandments, then I think we all agree that keeping them is right but in love for God and our neighbor, not to have a righteousness of our own.

If you refer to more than this, read this "why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?".(Acts 15:3-29)
---willa5568 on 4/28/11


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John you are right there are no vowels in Hebrew but there are in English so the correct respectful name is God. And for you it isn't Jhn.

Why would anyone ridicule you for kneeling to pray?
---Warwick on 4/28/11


BTW--Notice how zealously John defends his own favorite traditions and condemns those of others.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/28/11


\\There are NO vowels in Hebrew. (i.e. YHWH)
---John on 4/28/11\\

There ARE vowels in English, however, and you're supposedly writing in English.

And the Masoretes added vowel points--based on tradition--to the Hebrew.
---Cluny on 4/28/11


\\ It is in the Oral Traditions, and is observed by Orthodox/Conservative Jews as well as many Gentile Christians.\\

As John himself said to me, if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it IS a duck.

John is just giving proof he's a member of a wannabee Karite Jewish sect and not a Christian.
---Cluny on 4/28/11


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Just curious, but why do you spell God with a "-" instead of an "o"?
---jerry6593 on 4/28/11

Jerry this is how I worship G-d and show reverence to Him. It is in the Oral Traditions, and is observed by Orthodox/Conservative Jews as well as many Gentile Christians.


I have been severely rediculed and literally Laughed at by MarkV and Leon. So I ask them if they also laugh at a man who kneels to pray. (NO response).

They even open Blogs to redicule me. I don't impose this on anyone, just as a man should not tell you to kneel when praying. Its your choice.

NOR.. do I do it to get attention, I get attention because I do it.

There are NO vowels in Hebrew. (i.e. YHWH)
---John on 4/28/11


Not all commands of God given to Israel apply to us under Grace.
****

apply "under grace" by the FALSE ministers or Satans world 2Corin 4:11 preaching in the name of ANOTHER Christ 2Corin 4:11

the misunderstanding that Gods Laws applied to nation of Israel and Spiritual Israel is allowed to practice lawlessness would be absurd

AND it would also contradict MANY NT Scriptures to OBEY

counterfeit christians live by pagan traditions and lies of mortal men who sell the lie love me and disobey

True Christians live by EVERY Word of God and follow Biblical Christ who said if you LOVE me keep my commandments
---Rhonda on 4/28/11


John, you said,
"All of your post spell...COP OUT!" because I said,
"
Not all commands of God given to Israel apply to us under Grace.
Mark_V. on 4/27/11"


God commanded Abraham to kill his son. God never commanded those under Grace to Kill their sons.
God commanded Israel to not let the gates of Israel be opened until the sun is hot" God never commanded anyone under grace to do that.
There is thousands of them.
Promises and commands are usually directed to one of three groups, National Israel, Old Testament believers, or New Testament believers. Normative promises and commands directed to New Testament believers are those most likely to apply to contemporary Christians.
---Mark_V. on 4/28/11


Are they the same, or are they different?
---Rob on 4/26/11

Rob
Sorry for not responding sooner, just saw your post.

Paul speaks of Milk, and of Solid Food in his letters.
What do you think the milk and the solid foood are?
---David on 4/28/11


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John: It would appear that there are some whose religion is based on how much sin they can get away with and still go to heaven. These would be in for a rude awakening in heaven where there is no sin.

Just curious, but why do you spell God with a "-" instead of an "o"?
---jerry6593 on 4/28/11


Not all commands of God given to Israel apply to us under Grace.
Mark_V. on 4/27/11

So now you can just pick and choose the ones you want to follow???

All of your post spell...COP OUT!

I have stated this so many times before. That those who are in denial of their sin of Adultery/Idolatry. Are those who seek the approval of men and not G-d. So these go along with the Pagan rituals of Christmas/Easter.

These use all forms of rationization/intellectual diarhea, but they are the fools who think somehow they can mock G-d and believe they can have adultery and fornication, but just do it in the name of Jesus(HIS SON)
and it becomes holy.

"G-D WILL NOT BE MOCKED!!!"
---John on 4/27/11


But in all of these things we can, as scripture proves, apply them in a representative way. willa5568

The feast of unleavened bread is a symbol of removal of SIN in our lives. That we do EVERY DAY ever since we accepted Jesus (OUR PASSOVER) as saviour. Francis


Very good thank you.

Christ kept the whole law for us who believe by faith in His works on the Cross and His resurrection.
Mark_V.

Yes he kept the whole law. So does that mean we are to break the law since He kept it? Many parts of the law deal with sin and cleanliness. Do you wash your hands before you eat? Since you are not saved by law do you make your hands dirty before you eat? Calling others names does not make you correct.
---Samuel on 4/27/11


Mark_V.: "...a person would have to be stupid, prideful, or just ignorant of the Word of God to believe everything ask of Israel applies to us."

OK, Mark V., call me stutpid, prideful, and ignorant. The whole word of God pertains to us today. The new covenant is like a home mortgage, the laws are the same, but the terms are different. In the OT it is wrong to muder someone, but in the NT it's wrong even if you think about it. All the laws in the OT are physical, in the NT it's spiritual. Jesus summed up the entire law in the OT and NT as LOVE. Love encompasses the two commandments Jesus spoke of which encompasses the ten commandments of which encompasses the 613 laws. Love is the only activity that will get a person into heaven.
---Steveng on 4/27/11


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//The feast of unleavened bread is a symbol of removal of SIN in our lives. That we do EVERY DAY ever since we accepted Jesus ( OUR PASSOVER) as saviour. We live every day in TRUTH.//

Francis...I agree...they are shadows of the reality of Christ in the believers.
---Rod4Him on 4/27/11


Thanks Mark, for your explanation of what you said. It makes perfect sense.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/27/11


The law still stands for all who are lost because they are under the law and cannot keep the whole law so are condemned because of the law.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/11

Yes The law only applies for those who must have a little adultery, and steal a little this or that, and some people must still be under the law because they have to murder a person or two, and ofcourse there are those who have to worship two gods. And who can resist taking Gods name in vain. lets not forget those who refuse to honour father and mother, and you can stop themseoves from coveting his neighbours wife? So yes ONLY for those who cannot keep the whole aw does the law apply.
---francis on 4/27/11


To the people who say they follow "the whole" Bilbe, please explain what you did for Passover and the week of Unleaven Bread.
---Rod4Him on 4/26/11
1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.

The feast of unleavened bread is a symbol of removal of SIN in our lives. That we do EVERY DAY ever since we accepted Jesus ( OUR PASSOVER) as saviour. We live every day in TRUTH.
---Francis on 4/27/11


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There are a lot of cultural things that are not things we do in our culture, such as foot washing, kiss on the cheeks as a greeting, arranged marriages, with a few exceptions, etc...

Also the Levitical Law: circumcision, offering of sacrifices, stoning for breaking certain commandments, redeeming a mans wife by a male family member if no son was born, etc...

But in all of these things we can, as scripture proves, apply them in a representative way.
---willa5568 on 4/27/11


\\ I am open to knowledge and admonition but, are you
setting yourself above me on a higher plane?
---Nana on 4/26/11
\\

My point, Nana, is that frequently people accuse me or others of what they are doing themselves.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/11


To the people who say they follow "the whole" Bilbe, please explain what you did for Passover and the week of Unleaven Bread. Rod4Him

I follow the whole bible which means I do not have to keep passover. I celbrate communion instead. But I have gone to a Passover and it taught me a lot. All the Bible teaches us.

We are to rightly divide the word. This does not mean we make a wall between the OT and the New. We read and understand that the Church and Israel are one. The Ceremonial laws in the OT pointed to the coming of JESUS. Also many were civil laws. All these things teach us and help us to understand about JESUS. We are children of Abraham by faith grafted into the Tree whose roots go back to the promise in eden.
---Samuel on 4/27/11


Let's clear this up, and lets give a name as to who quoted those words.
I quoted those words. I'm not afraid of anyone.

Not all commands of God given to Israel apply to us under Grace. The law still stands for all who are lost because they are under the law and cannot keep the whole law so are condemned because of the law. They are in great need of Christ Works on the Cross, but they don't believe by faith. Christ kept the whole law for us who believe by faith in His works on the Cross and His resurrection.
But this I say, a person would have to be stupid, prideful, or just ignorant of the Word of God to believe everything ask of Israel applies to us.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/11


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For Passover I went to a Sadar dinner on Saturday, where I celebrated Jesus' death and ressurrection. It was great.
---Leslie on 4/27/11


To the people who say they follow "the whole" Bilbe, please explain what you did for Passover and the week of Unleaven Bread.
---Rod4Him on 4/26/11


//Are they the same, or are they different?
---Rob on 4/26/11//

Rob, without a doubt they are different.
Compare Acts 3:21 with Rom. 16:25
---michael_e on 4/27/11


It depends on the context. For example one of Pauls letters 1 Corinthians 11, 1-10 says that women should cover their heads in church. What we should learn from this is not to cause strife against others during church, not that women should wear head coverings or have head shaved. Women were to wear head coverings in public during this time not so much today. The second quote means the Bible does not teach you anything but the Holy Spirit teachs you from the Bible making all scripture relevant for teaching, rebuking, correcting ...


---Scott on 4/27/11


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"Of course, you NEVER understand the Bible to your own convenience, do you?"

Only God knows that Cluny and perhaps you. Please do point that as you see unfit to
the clear word of God.
As stated in 2 Peter 1, we do have clear guidelines, right, else we should drop it here?

"At least you are admitting that you project your own ideas onto the Bible."
---Cluny on 4/26/11

Mark 7:15 "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him:
but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man."

Mark 7:14, 2 Peter 5, I am open to knowledge and admonition but, are you
setting yourself above me on a higher plane?
---Nana on 4/26/11


Francis & John .... Mot my words!!! Both quotations came from the same other blogger.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/26/11
OK, well that other blogger does not what he/ she is talking about. ALL SCRIPTURE means ALL SCRIPTURE
---francis on 4/26/11


\\That does not deny the fact that some of them did read or 'understood' the word of God to their convenience\\

Of course, you NEVER understand the Bible to your own convenience, do you?

\\ as stated in Mark 7:11 or the custom of the application of Tefilin which I PROJECT that it was not meant to be applied in a literal sense.\\

At least you are admitting that you project your own ideas onto the Bible.
---Cluny on 4/26/11


Rob,
The mystery of the gospel is that the inheritance, thought to be only for Israel, is to anyone who suffers with Christ.

Israel, rejecting the Heir, were cut off from the inheritance, and it is handed to the Gentiles.

Ephesians 3, Colossians 1, Romans 8-11, 1Peter 4:13, Hebrews 2 & 11, Mark 4:11, Matt 13:11, Luke 8:10

Same gospel, same way of access

Ephesians 3:6 "this mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, Members Of The Same Body"

Hebrews 11:8, 39-40 "Abraham...called out to go to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance...all of these (Israelites)...did not receive what was promised...that apart from us they should not be made perfect"
---James_L on 4/26/11


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David, please take time and study the Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Then take time to study the Gospel which was kept secret from the foundation of the world, until it was revealed to the Apostle Paul.

Are they the same, or are they different?
---Rob on 4/26/11


Cluny,
Thanks for the explanation on 4000 year old Judaism.
Yes indeed, I am projecting..., human nature.
That does not deny the fact that some of them did read or 'understood' the word of God to their convenience as stated in Mark 7:11 or the custom of the application of Tefilin which I PROJECT that it was not meant to be applied in a literal sense.
---Nana on 4/26/11


Francis & John .... Mot my words!!! Both quotations came from the same other blogger.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/26/11


Cluny - Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen? Have you ever used God's name as a cussword? Have you ever looked with lust at someone? Have you ever hated or been angry with someone? If you have, according to the Bible, you are a liar, theif, blasphemer, adulterer, and a murderer. These laws do NOT only apply to the Jews, but to EVERYONE. Also, if you claim to be in Christ, ALL of the O.T. applies to you, because Christ is the fulfillment and you are the church (a.k.a. Israel). This is NOT just for the Jews, but for Israel (a.k.a. the church).
---Leslie on 4/26/11


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\\Where do that differentiation come from? I came to understand Deut. 21:20 as refering to a young man over puberty by what I read in the verse: "...he is a glutton, and a drunkard.", given the 'drinking' bit.
Is that " NOT apply to males over puberty" a tradition?\\

That's just your tradition.

In Judaism it was understood not to apply to those over puberty, because the verse says, "if a man have a son...." and NOT "If a man have a man...."

Furthermore, children in Judaism 4000 years ago were not prohibited from drinking wine or other alcoholic drinks.

You're projecting modern customs on an ancient text by your comment about drinking.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/11


Since the church is not the goverment those laws which were to be enforced by the Goverment such as the death penalty are to be done by the Church.

But a disobdient child will not inherit the Kingdom of heaven so will still get the death penalty but GOD will appply it in his own time. This applies to many of the laws of the OT. They are still in effect but it is GOD who applies the Penalty.

Now the church can and should remove them from church membership. But just because the church does not enforce the Death penalty does not mean GOD will not.

The entire sacrificial system pointed to JESUS. We do not sacrifice anything any more because JESUS completed all sacrifices.

The church is to preach against sin.
---Samuel on 4/26/11


"How many people take their disobedient pre-teen boys to be stoned by their churches? (This penalty, btw, did NOT apply to males over puberty.)"
Cluny on 4/26/11

Where do that differentiation come from? I came to understand Deut. 21:20 as refering to a young man over puberty by what I read in the verse: "...he is a glutton, and a drunkard.", given the 'drinking' bit.
Is that " NOT apply to males over puberty" a tradition? It could well be, given what some did with "Bind them as a sign on your hand and let them serve as a frontlet between your eyes" (Deuteronomy 6:5-8).
---Nana on 4/26/11


Well, scripture says God commanded to Moses that "whoever blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him" > Leviticus 24:16. And now we have people who say to keep the law of Moses, but do they as a congregation stone someone who blasphemes? But this command still applies to show blasphemy is wrong. For example, if we complain against rain which is God's blessing so we have life on this planet, are we not cursing the Blesser, by complaining against His blessing, instead of thanking Him? This could be an application of our command not to blaspheme God.
---Bill_willa6989 on 4/26/11


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Not at all.

How many women here offer a pair of doves or two young pigeons as a sacrifice after childbirth?

How many people surrender their homes to the ancestral original owners after 50 years?

How many people take their disobedient pre-teen boys to be stoned by their churches? (This penalty, btw, did NOT apply to males over puberty.)

How many farmers leave the corners of their fields unharvested for the poor?
---Cluny on 4/26/11


//There are many people in Churches who claim to be teaching the Bible, but in reallity they are doing what is written in Romans 1:25.//

Amen Rob absolutely true.
Paul makes it very clear (ref Rom 15:4) in fact in all his writings, he explains the "but now period we live in.

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ
---michael_e on 4/26/11


There is NO contradiction. For example: In the O.T. they sacrificed animals to God, in the N.T. Jesus was our FINAL blood sacrifice, and now we present OURSELVES as a living sacrifice. In the O.T. they circumcised males at 8 months, in the N.T. the circumcision is of the heart. In the O.T. they built a temple to house the presence of God, in the N.T. WE are the temple of God. These are just some examples, but the O.T. points to Christ and us the church (a.k.a. Israel).
---Leslie on 4/26/11


"Everything in the Bible is for us to learn, and not everything in the Bible applies to us today." "All Scripture is for our edification, ... for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus". A contradiction here?


If only you had one ible verse for the first part
---francis on 4/25/11


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No contradiction Alan!

The only contradiction was your own words...
("and not everything in the Bible applies to us today")

This is not true!

Hey... I didn't even shout... :)
---John on 4/25/11


Allan, it is indeed true everything found in the Bible is not written to those who are Christians.
---Rob on 4/25/11

Rob
I believe you once said that the Gospels of Christ were written only to the Jews.
If this is true, why do you think that Jesus said the following?
(Matthew 24:14)
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.
---David on 4/26/11


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The "all scripture" spoken of by Paul to his Christian disciple, Timothy was the entire Old Testament as we know it, plus some missing ancient books. Who are we to argue with that? There is no contradiction with salvation through faith in Jesus. The entire OT is about Jesus!
---jerry6593 on 4/26/11


Rob, bless you brother for knowing the Truth. I know where that question came from. Oh, that all could open their eyes to see the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/11


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..I always encourage people when studying the Bible to ask and answer the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, AND TO WHOM it was written.
****

EXACTLY WHY Holy Scripture is timeless ...events are same today - why Solomon said NOTHING new under the sun

counterfeit christians who follow ANOTHER christ 2Corin 4:11 preach and teach that not "all" of Scripture is for today

this is why there are those who FOLLOW Biblical Christ and His examples and EVERY word from God knowing Holy Scripture is for True Followers ...and those who follow mortal men and their pagan traditions about a christ and superimposed OVER Biblical Christ

Christ said MANY would come in His name
---Rhonda on 4/26/11


Allan, it is indeed true everything found in the Bible is not written to those who are Christians.

This is why I always encourage people when studying the Bible to ask and answer the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, AND TO WHOM it was written.

There are many people in Churches who claim to be teaching the Bible, but in reallity they are doing what is written in Romans 1:25.

These people claim to be of God, but the truth is they are Servants of Satan, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.
---Rob on 4/25/11


Obviously were not using Mosaic law to stone blasphemers, so it's true not everything applies, it can does and will still edify if we use it to understand the mind of God, so no, no contradiction in my opinion. Hi Alan :)
---pharisee on 4/25/11


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