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Is it a sin if you smoke? Or are you saved if you smoke?

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Scott_Christman, nope, on both accounts.
---Eloy on 5/7/11


"Everyone knows in his heart what's right or wrong [for themselves]. We should not judge others by our walk. If one wants to get legalistic, then everything is wrong. I suggest those who judge, should look at their own sins." Mark_V. on 5/7/11 "We are to be ministers of reconciliation" Christina on 5/7/11 Amen and Amen.
Conviction must come from within or there can be no true repentance, and without repentance there will be no lasting reformation, or corresponding change in attitude or action. Condemnation will never bring conviction or change, only resentment. "Who [is] he who condemns? [It is] Christ who died?" Certainly not.
---joseph on 5/7/11


Francis, I guess you did not hear me, You should not judge others by your walk. Scripture does not tells us to judge other by our walk, what you think is right or what is wrong, not by God's. You just don't get it because you want people to walk by your own standards. You are the law. As I told someone else around here who follows your laws, what might be law to him is not a law to me. He does not speak for my conscience before God, I do. And neither do you.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/11


---StrongAxe on 5/7/11
Song of Solomon 2:15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.

First of all there are no little matters in the bible.

Second: How can you say that smoking is not a sin? Would you say that use of cocaine is not a sin? Would you say that use of marijauna is not a sin?

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, HOLY, ACCEPTABLE UNTO GOD, which is your reasonable service.


1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
---francis on 5/7/11


francis:

Yes, Paul judged from afar a situation that was CLEARLY wrong and forbidden (incest). However, many Christians judge much smaller and much more petty things, like smoking - something never mentioned in scripture at all.
---StrongAxe on 5/7/11




When did God say we are to judge another? ---Mark_V. on 5/7/11

1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, [concerning] him that hath so done this deed,
1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Corinthians 5:6 Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
---francis on 5/7/11


Mark, if you could give up your life in Christ so that 10 others would be saved, would you do it?
---Jasheradan on 5/7/11


We actually had a "former" lay leader of the church leave because my husband baptized a smoker. Funny thing is that the man had no idea that another person baptized whom he thought a lot of was a smoker.
---KarenD on 5/7/11


// statement is objectively based on the scriptures..// joseph you are forgiven, I took/take no offense. to be honest...I was torn whether to post based on your first post. I was getting the impression of what you meant. actually, I think we are saying the same thing. jesus says that we can take in anything. It is the output that defiles. Iow, the essence of sinuous activity is not the act, it is the product. As an ex-smoker (and adulterer), there is nothing good that emanates from smoking. cancer, emphysema, tuberculosis, second hand smoke, constricted blood veins...where is the benefit for others? The same is true of adultery. God made sexual relations, but we have to keep it in context of the benefit of others from God's perspective.
---aka on 5/7/11


All righteous talk comes from the same people who argue for works. Everyone knows in his heart what's right or wrong. We should not judge others by our walk. Some are just starting their walk, some have walk a long time, still struggle. Each individual is different. If one wants to get legalistic, then everything is wrong. To much worldly fun is wrong, too much food, too little weight, too fat is wrong. If you drink one to many it's wrong, drive to fast wrong, drive too slow its wrong. If you look at a girl or a man its wrong. When did God say we are to judge another? Some believers are blind, unable to see, her or talk. Even that evidence does not show who is a Christian. I suggest those who judge, should look at their own sins. Eloy included.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/11




If we say that we have no sin we make him a liar and the truth is not in us.....


That scripture was written to Christians...
---Jasheradan on 5/7/11


Eloy:

Clearly Jesus didn't smoke, because tobacco was found in the new world, and didn't grow in Palestine. However, saying "his Christians" don't smoke is passing judgment on others based on traditions of men and personal tastes.

Personally, I think it's a disgusting and unpleasant habit, but that is a matter of taste, and cannot, on its own, rise to the level of doctrine.
---StrongAxe on 5/7/11


When did smoking become a sin?

Was it a sin during the centuries when there was no knowledge of its harmful effects?

Was it a sin when it was actually considered to be beneficial?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/7/11


AKA forgive me for my last response. It was frivolous and uncalled for. You obviously believe this statement to be subjective "Not unless the smoker believes it to be." In actuality the statement is objectively based on the scriptures "What ever is not of faith is sin" and "To him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean."
---joseph on 5/7/11


Francis, You're right, that IS the question. I was reacting to what I see on many blogs here, not just this one, and I did not make that clear. It seems many times others or their faith, or church is attacked. I appreciate your posts, and the posts of many who cite scripture. It is evident that some desire truth, even in "debating", while sometimes it seems to be about who's right, who's wrong, rather then coming to an understanding of what God says.
I love that you included Galatians 6:1, since the purpose is to restore and not tear down. We are to be ministers of reconciliation. God bless you.
---Christina on 5/7/11


Eloy--so if there's no real Christians that smoke, what should I do with my wonderful and otherwise godly husband?
---Mary on 5/7/11


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\\Christ, nor his Christians smoke, no, not one.
---Eloy on 5/6/11\\

Then why did God go to the trouble of inventing tobacco?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/11


Its a sin to smoke but it is not a loss of salvation sin! There is only one sin that leads to death and separation from salvation and that is rejecting the free gift of salvation.We don't have to do,do,do as it is done,done,done at the Cross.
---Patrick_Sutton on 5/7/11


joseph, i was not trying to establish that smoking is a sin that is written. i was trying to say that sin is not objective... even the ones that are not specifically written. where is smoking marijuana or crack listed or shooting up with a needle specifically stated? the bible is not an all-inclusive checklist. I am sure there is a word in there that covers smoking any drug use (pharmakeia) illegal or not . the best guideline is determining what comes out as a result of what goes in. e.g. caffeine. i don't sleep well if i drink coffee or cola/pepsi, for exhaustion, i cannot give my best at work or at family, therefore it is sinuous. but that is not true for tea. consumption of wine sin? personal for us, which is black and white to God.
---aka on 5/7/11


Christ, nor his Christians smoke, no, not one.
---Eloy on 5/6/11


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No AKA sin is not subjective. Perhaps you can show me where smoking is listed as a sin. And please no subjectiveness.
How you are equating smoking with adultery is beyond me.
---joseph on 5/6/11


//"Is it a sin if you smoke?"
Not unless the smoker believes it to be.//

alrighty, then...

Is it a sin if you commit adultery?"
Not unless the adulterer believes it to be.

sin is not subjective.
---aka on 5/6/11


---Christina on 5/6/11
This is the queston being answered: "Is it a sin if you smoke? Or are you saved if you smoke? "

So It is not judging anyone if someone says it is a sin. Ibe fact God has called christians to judge christians. It is our responsibility, if we see a brother or sister going down the wrong path to help restore them.


1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
---francis on 5/6/11


It's so easy to judge what others do, or do not do, judging whether they sinned, whether they are saved, etc etc. It seems that the focus of too much here is not on the Lord but rather on what man does, or thinks.
Instead, why not build others up in the faith?
---Christina on 5/6/11


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The point is they can smoke them but should they?Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and we should take care of it.We shouldn't smoke,drink to excess or eat to excess.It is a sin and while I don't think we'd go to Hell for it we need to take care of our bodies.We need to obey God in every way possible and this is an easy one.Just don't start smoking.
---shirley on 5/6/11


There are no real Chrtistians who smoke, no, not one.
---Eloy on 5/6/11


Well, I did not know that we were allowed to kill ourselves.
I also did not know that christians could go against the will of thier god.

This is my God's will for me:
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and BE IN HEALTH, even as thy soul prospereth.

I would I want to go against that by smoking? If God's will is that we be IN HEALTH, it is a SIN to do contraty.
---francis on 5/6/11


Lawrence:

While it is true that the Bible condemns drunkenness, fornication and adultery, it does not condemn smoking, social alcohol drinking, dance parties, social clubs, and sports. (If it does, please show us where, specifically.)
---StrongAxe on 5/6/11


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Let me see a legal drug whose use hurts you and can make you sick or kill you as well as those around you. A drug that costs money you could use to help others which could cost you all your money so you cannot help others. That drug would be apporved by JESUS for you to use and destroy yourself and those around you. Seems like that would be a sin to me.
---Samuel on 5/6/11


Nana, A few questions. What evangalists are you referring to, and how do you or anyone know about the lives of their converts? Also, what or who is AWP?
---christina on 5/6/11


If you are truly saved and understand the Word of God, asking God to help you quit this terrible sin should be at the top of your list. A priority. You cannot serve God and honestly disrespect your temple(body) which belong to Him(God) anyway. You will be convicted in your Spirit. The conviction will become so strong until you will be forced to lay down those cancer sticks. When you do,you will give God the glory, but it does take time. I was a smoker when I came to Christ. It was a struggle but I am smoke-free today(10 yrs) Praise God in the highest!
---Robyn on 5/6/11


What is the Gospel? Is it given for the purpose of assuring the pleasure-crazy young people that, providing they only "believe" there is nothing for them to fear in the future? One would certainly think so from the way in which the Gospel is presented-or rather perverted-by most of the "evangelists," and the more so when we look at the lives of their "converts." Surely those with any degree of spiritual discernment must perceive that to assure such that God loves them and His Son died for them, and that a full pardon for all their sins (past, present, and future) can be obtained by simply "accepting Christ as their personal Savior," is but a casting of pearls before swine. AWP.
---Nana on 5/6/11


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\\We do not smoke in heaven\\

Nor do we eat, drink, sleep, marry, or are given in marriage, Eloy.

Are these things sinful, too?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/11


Can a Christian smoke cigarettes? Of course they can, the question is why would they want to???
---NurseRobert on 5/6/11


We do not smoke in heaven. You cannot have holy Jesus and have unholy smoke: "To one that knows to do good and does not, to that one it is sin." James 4:17.
---Eloy on 5/6/11


"Is it a sin if you smoke?"
Not unless the smoker believes it to be.
"Or are you saved if you smoke?"
Salvation has nothing to do with whether or not one smokes.
Father knows His own, we, as concerning another, do not
---joseph on 5/6/11


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Donna66, again I totally agree with your answers. The argument that James L, puts out is not a good argument. Passages he gave,
""I have been found by those who DID NOT seek Me,
I have shown Myself to those who DID NOT ASK FOR ME."

only prove that God is Sovereign and that those who didn't seek Him did not come out of their own free will. God had to make them willing. Otherwise Scripture tells us, "no one seeks God" "no one is good" Rom. 3:9-12. Once God quickens their hearts and convicts them, they will seek God and ask for mercy. Those same one's who didn't seek Him before. Many will make a commitment, but were never quickened by the Holy Spirit and later fall away.
---Mark_V. on 5/6/11


mima,
I've already explained Romans 10:13 to you, with about 15 scripture citations. Your response was that it was too "heady"

You say that calling on the name of the Lord means to ask Him into your heart. But God has declared, only 7 verses later:

"I have been found by those who DID NOT seek Me,

I have shown Myself to those who DID NOT ASK FOR ME."


But you must think that God is schizophrenic, telling us to ask for Him in verse 13, then declaring in verse 20 that He makes Himself known to those who Do Not ask for Him.

What gives, mima? Is God blown around by every wind of doctrine? Playing jokes on us?

What does verse 20 mean, mima?

Care to stack that one up?
---James_L on 5/5/11


\\Asking Jesus Christ into your heart is filling millions with false hope?\\
---CraigA on 5/5/11

It's such a shame, Craig, but yes, the sinner's prayer is filling millions with false hope. Many have their hope in that prayer, not in Christ crucified. And that is a false hope.


\\I believe God will honor their prayer.\\
---Donna66 on 5/5/11

You can believe it all you want, but you believing it doesn't make it true.

Some people believe all roads lead to God. Are they right simply because they believe it?

If a belief is anti-scriptural, then is it true because you want it to be?

Do your whims trump scripture?
---James_L on 5/5/11


//Were you the man--or woman--involved?//

aka does not speak of himself/herself in the third person.
---aka on 5/5/11


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Mark, Donna, I too agree. I've seen new Christians instantly delivered from addictions, others may take weeks, months years, but I've seen other fruit in these peoples lives and a love for the Lord Jesus. We are all works in progress and I cab't say whu He deals with certain issues in different peoples lives at different times and in different ways, but it reinforces that we are all unique and He works with and in us in unique ways, and how personal is that?
---Christina on 5/5/11


JamesL--//"That's because asking Jesus to come into your heart doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
Unscriptural, and filling millions with false hope//

My goodness, is it as bad as all that? False hope of what? Does God demand that every prayer to Him be crafted to insure it's "scriptural"? If someone reaching out to the Lord, prays these words, does Jesus say,"That's not worth a hill of beans"? I've always believed God understands the intents of the heart. The phrase is a metephor, not really accurate, but if someone prays these words out a desire to draw close to God, I believe God will honor their prayer.
---Donna66 on 5/5/11


Donna66, I totally agree with you. When we become a new creation, it is but the beginning of a new life. The new believers come carrying a lot of baggage. We are at once forgiven, and spiritually baptize into one body in Christ, but a lot of cleaning is done by the Spirit through our walk with Christ, never really reaching perfectness. The more we learn about God's Word the more we can identify sin in our lives. I believe if God sees a habit that is stopping a believer from doing his duty, He works on those first through sanctification.
---Mark_V. on 5/5/11


No such a thing as smoking, social alcohol drinking, fornicating, dance parties, social club joining ( elks - lions etc ), adultery, sports is a god etc Christians. 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 whispers in to peoples hearing & yes there is yes you can & most people believe it. Scripture says here, 1st.John 2 v's 15 - 16. You canNot serve 2 masters.
---Lawrence on 5/5/11


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who are we to please ? God or ourselves.
Ephesians 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit." In other words let the Holy Spirit control your actions and life. Smoking is an addiction that takes control of our lives away from us.
(1 Cor. 6:19-20)
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are Gods."
---Lea on 5/5/11


\\Stack up against this statement may made three times in the Bible?
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Or this statement.
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Found in John 6:37
---mima on 5/5/11\\

Do you actually think that this is the same thing as the unscriptural phrase about "asking Jesus into your heart"?

In any case, aka made an interesting point.

Being able to give an eloquent Christian testimony is no sign of high personal morality.

But didn't we learn that during the Pearlygate scandal of the '80's?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/11


\\I saw a man witness to a woman (quite eloquently) in a laundromat, then he slept with her later that night.\\

Were you the man--or woman--involved?
---Cluny on 5/5/11


This reminds me of the civil unrest in third world countries. (or in developed countries for that matter)
People use unnecessary substances for their economies, eventually come to Christ, their culture falls apart because they turn away from God as their fullfillment.
They don't understand they have to stay in prayer through Christ, and depend exclusively on His presence every day.
They become lax in their standards of worship and return to (idolatry/worship) using the things that rob them of health and blessings, becoming ever more negatively inclined in the process, till, in their later years, they become similar to the pharisees Jesus rebukes.
---danny-o on 5/5/11


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How does this statement,
"That's because asking Jesus to come into your heart doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Unscriptural, and filling millions with false hope
---James_L on 5/4/11

Stack up against this statement may made three times in the Bible?
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Or this statement.
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Found in John 6:37
---mima on 5/5/11


i have never seen anybody witnessing while smoking.
---aka

//I have.// ---Cluny

I saw a man witness to a woman (quite eloquently) in a laundromat, then he slept with her later that night.

Actions (works), whether in the flesh or in the Spirit, witness louder than words.
---aka on 5/4/11


Smoking is a very unhealthy habit. Not good for anybody, Christian or non-Christian. But unhealthy practices are not necessarily SIN.

Some Christians have a habit of gossiping (that is sin). Some Christians have a habit of finding fault with other Christians (that is sin). Some Christians are too embarrassed to mention the Name of Jesus around non-believers (that is sin).

Why the big deal about smoking??
---Donna66 on 5/4/11


\\if smoking isn't a sin then why do we get saved for ?\\

You don't actually think that God became a human being, suffered, bled, and died to save people from something that wasn't even KNOWN about in the Eastern Hemisphere until 1500 years afterwards, do you?

Have you ever read THE HIDING PLACE by Corrie Ten Boom? Cigars didn't keep her father Caspar from being a martyr for Christ under Hitler.

**Any addiction is bondage and weakness which needs to be broken by Gods anointing.
**

And God has all eternity to work on them. But it's on HIS schedule. Not mine, and certainly not yours.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/11


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Rev 3:20

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
---Jasheradan on 5/5/11


//Can you just The Spirit of The Living God living in a smoked up temple, cough - gag - choke - wheeze, gasp, I got to get out of this unclean temple.//

That is the way it is, with all the incense, almost every time I go into the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

I am not suggesting that it is an unclean temple. It is what people want it to be...the heart is what matters.
---Rod4Him on 5/5/11


Whoa ninja! Asking Jesus Christ into your heart is filling millions with false hope?

If you dont have the Spirit of Christ in you, you simply do not belong to Him and will not live in eternity with God.
---CraigA on 5/5/11


Cluny

The Spirit of God didn't indwell Isaiah for him to be considered as the temple (dwelling place) of God, God's Spirit rested upon him.

Paul
---paul on 5/5/11


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\\some of you walk around living as you did before you ask Jesus to come into your heart\\
---Lea on 5/4/11


That's because asking Jesus to come into your heart doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Unscriptural, and filling millions with false hope
---James_L on 5/4/11


if smoking isn't a sin then why do we get saved for ?tell me some of you that are still living in sin professing to be a Christian...........i say come out of the world and sin no more, Jesus died for our sins and some of you walk around living as you did before you ask Jesus to come into your heart, why should he live in a filthy temple? if you haven't overcome yet then you may just find your home in hell, he delivered me of nicotene and he will do the same for you.
---Lea on 5/4/11


Any addiction is bondage and weakness which needs to be broken by Gods anointing.

No excuses just regrets.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 5/4/11


It looks to me like Christians who smoke often have been trying to stop. This to me means they do not have the self-control they need. And their lack of self-control is feeding into how well they can keep from arguing and eating too much and complaining, etc. So, it's not just a problem of smoking. And they are losing more than their lives and health if they can not love without arguing etc.

Self-control in the Holy Spirit is also needed so we can not be overpowered by depression and raging anger and continuing suffering in hurts. And self-control gives us balance to be patient and creative while staying attentive and submissive with God.
---Bill_willa6989 on 5/4/11


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\\Can you just The Spirit of The Living God living in a smoked up temple, cough - gag - choke - wheeze, gasp,\\

Isaiah did.

See chapter 6.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/11


Can you just The Spirit of The Living God living in a smoked up temple, cough - gag - choke - wheeze, gasp, I got to get out of this unclean temple.
---Lawrence on 5/4/11


1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
---francis on 5/4/11


\\i have never seen anybody witnessing while smoking.
---aka on 5/4/11\\

I have.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/11


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There is only one sin that condemns, the sin of unbelief.
---michael_e on 5/4/11


Smoking isn't a sin? Do you think God wants us to damage the bodies that He has given us?
1 Chorintians 3:16
Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person, for the temple of God, which you are, is holy.
---D on 5/4/11


smoke what? where do we draw the line?

legal, moral, ethical, biblical, spiritual, carnal, logical...

smoke cigarettes and your ok...smoke ghanja and your a deviant...smoke crack and your a sinner. are not they all vile?

i have never seen anybody witnessing while smoking.
---aka on 5/4/11


//I don't know why people seem to feel smoking is a sin God can't forgive.//


Personal prejudice. I've had a relationship fail because of marijuana addiction so marijuana addicts irritates me more than a someone addicted to alcohol.

Being addicted to cigarettes is no worse to me than being addicted to a cup of coffee in the morning. Caffeine can be harmful as well and if your mood is altered because you cant get your "fix" that is the same as being addicted to any other drug. Christ didnt need ANY of those things, so we have no place to judge each other when we are equally as guilty of not being able to function normally without them.
---Jasheradan on 5/4/11


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I smoked for 20 years as a Christian. Its Gods salvation. He will let you know when He is ready for you to quit.

I started feeling strange holding the cigarette (like I had never smoked before) and the first thought to pop into my mind afterwards was "what would it look like if Jesus walked around with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth while preaching" . Thats when I knew it was MY time to quit. The LORD will let you know when its your time.
---Jasheradan on 5/3/11


I once heard a preacher say

Smoking won't send you to hell, but it might make you smell like you've been there
---James_L on 5/3/11


Smoking is one of those nasty habits that definitely isn't good for you. Even if you don't physically die right now.

I've had several relatives and friends die from smoking. I can remember when my mom told me that it is very rude for a kid to tell an adult to quit smoking. That was before several smoking-related deaths among our relatives.

Christians, and unsaved folks too, get addicted to the habit of smoking. It's your OWN choice to quit. Before it's too late!

Same goes for other vices: Gambling, Drinking, Gluttony, Inappropriate Relationships, etc. Anything that is dis-pleasing to GOD.
---Sag on 5/3/11


I agree with Cluny and Mary
---mima on 5/3/11


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Not that smoking is a sin. It is just plain unhealthy to do. And stupid. Saved or unsaved your health will suffer in the end. We should respect and take care of our bodies so they can serve us well.Healthy bodies and minds last a long time. If you don't treat them right, you can rush your death.Being a christian is about making the best choices in life,also. Smoking is a dumb choice. And deadly.
---Robyn on 5/3/11


St. Paul said that the Gospel of Christ is not, "Touch not, taste not, handle not."

I figure this applies to "Smoke not, drink not, dance not, card not."

It does not follow that smoking is a virtue, and I wouldn't recommend it. but in itself, it does not mean one is not a Christian.
---Cluny on 5/3/11


I don't know why people seem to feel smoking is a sin God can't forgive. It's terrible for you but God forgives and understands them as much as alcoholics or anyone else.
---Mary on 5/3/11


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