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Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. ---Samuel on 5/25/11

"Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord if you do not do as I say?

Why do I use this verse?
How can we be Lord of the Sabbath, if the law commands us to keep the Sabbath?
If we must do what it says, that makes it Lord over us.
---David on 5/26/11


Psa 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psa 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psa 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Psa 119:4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
Psa 119:5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto ALL thy commandments.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
---jerry6593 on 5/26/11


Can you give a verse where Jesus, the High Priest of the New Priesthood, commanded that we must keep Sabbath Laws? David

Can you show me where JESUS repated any of the first four. Where all laws done away with until they were written down in the New Testament.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

When were the gospels written down? Are they not written for the church?
---Samuel on 5/25/11


Righteousness as used in the New Testament, is to be justified, secondarily, it allows one to be just. That we can not be self-justified by following a law(s), but through faith in Christ. Romans 3:21-23, chapter 5, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Galatians 2:16-21, Philippians 3:9, Titus 3:5-7. G1342, G1343, G1344.
---Glenn on 5/25/11


David: "Mark, I am not now, nor have I ever been an SDA, as I have said before.
Why do you continue to slander me?"

Because he gets his training from Satan. He takes a simple post and twists it to his own agenda. He'll take a simple remark and twists it to mean something totally different. He'll take a comment you made a year ago, hoping that you forgot, and bring it to your attention. He'll take something you wrote out of context and keeps repeating it over and over again. He does the same with bible verses. He'll take a bible veres and apply a worldly interpretation to it. That's what he does best.

He surely needs prayers to open his eyes to the real truth instead of his own truth.
---Steveng on 5/24/11




www dot yourdictionary dot com forward-slash sinuous
sinuous, adjective.
1. bending, winding, Serpentine
2. not straightforward, devious, crooked.

in the global century dictionary, volumn 7, page 5651= www dot leoyan dot com forward-slash century-dictionary dot com forward-slash nph-cent2jpg dot php?query= & volno=07 & page=5651
sinuous, from Fr:sinueux, a bend, crooked.
1. sinuate, tortuous, serpentine
2. morally crooked, deviating from right.
---Eloy on 5/24/11


David, righteousness, "full of right" is the opposite of sinuousness, "full of sin", which is "full of wrong": "Little children, let no person deceive you: whoever that does righteousness is righteous, even as God is righteous. Whoever that commits sin is of the devil, for the devil sins from the beginning. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for God's seed remains in that one and that one cannot sin, because that one is born of God." I Jn.3:7-9.
---Eloy on 5/24/11


But Sabbath is mentione 60 times in 55 verses of the New Testament.
---Samuel on 5/23/11

Samuel
When the Priesthood changes the Law must also be changed.(Hebrews 7:12)
Can you give a verse where Jesus, the High Priest of the New Priesthood, commanded that we must keep Sabbath Laws?
---David on 5/24/11


Eloy--
//sinuousness, which means, full of sin.//???

...only by Eloy's definition, not by any dictionary you will read!
"sinuous" (adj)means:
1. having many curves, bends, or turns, winding: a sinuous path.
2. indirect, roundabout: sinuous questions.
3. characterized by a series of graceful curving motions: a sinuous dance.

Based on the Random House Dictionary, Random House, Inc. 2011.
---Donna66 on 5/23/11


David, let me say, I do love you, but you cannot corner me with the law. The law has no power over me. You can throw the law at me all you want, but it will not make you sinless or make me change my views concerning "Saturday Sabbath"
---Mark_V. on 5/21/11

Mark
I am not now, nor have I ever been an SDA, as I have said before.
Why do you continue to slander me?
---David on 5/23/11




Samuel,

I agree, the sabbath is to be a time of rest and meditation. But when one says we are required to keep it, mostly if not always becomes law, not love. Me and my wife often if not always work on Saturday and Sunday just to pay our bills. Not to buy things or get rich, but just to pay our bills,which sometimes it seems we won't be able to do, yet God always gives what we need. Have I sinned for providing for my family? I think it is a great joy you have that freedom, but we are not so privileged.
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


Willia you asked a good question. Not all of the Ten commandments are repeated verbatim in the New Testament. But Sabbath is mentione 60 times in 55 verses of the New Testament. I am not saying many was man for the sabbath. To keep Sabbath is a great joy and privelege which helps us to spend time with JESUS and let our body and mind rest.

This is not about rules, laws and regulations. This is about following and being with the one we love.

Everday I walk with GOD. But on Sabbath I can focus my mind on Him better with less distractions. This temple set in time by GOD is for all his people.

This time set apart by GOD reminds me he created me. Many want to talk with GOD. But on sabbath I like to listen to GOD.
---Samuel on 5/23/11


Righteousness means "full of right". It is the opposite of sinuousness, which means, full of sin.
---Eloy on 5/23/11


jerry and samuel,

I'm not quite sure you read my post. I said in Christ our work is finished, so I rest every day. Also, you can find no where in the NT where it says Gentiles are to keep the sabbath as a commandment, not once. If you can show me then I would be interested to know where. If the sabbath was made for man as Jesus says, why do you make man for the sabbath?
---willa5568 on 5/23/11


As for me, I rest every day
---willa5568

So you neve go to work? The commandment also says to work and then rest. I cannot affod to never work. In fact I am looking for a job right now. I will be losing my job in June. I would like those here to say a prayer for me.

The Sabbath is a speacial time of rest and worship. So I want to follow the example set by JESUS.
---Samuel on 5/22/11


Samuel, you are entitle to base your opinion, like everyone else. I know you sin, because all sin. If a person is born of God, he also knows already what is right and what is wrong. He doesn't need another sinner to tell him. Why do they need to be remind of their sins, when the person that reminds them also sins? If God says, do not sin, then we are hearing from God Himself and not from another sinner. Since I have been on line, all SDA's speak of the adherence to the law, that is all we hear, and not the adherence to the Spirit of the law, because this way they can introduce Saturday Sabbath" by telling everyone they are sinners. They are not teaching someone who is in great sin to clean up their act. There's a different purpose.
---Mark_V. on 5/21/11


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David, let me say, I do love you, but you cannot corner me with the law. The law has no power over me. You can throw the law at me all you want, but it will not make you sinless or make me change my views concerning "Saturday Sabbath" I speak for the Spirit of the Law, you speak for the adherence of the Law. We have a different purpose. To this day, you have not spoken for the Spirit of the law, and you are supposly saved, not by keeping the law, but by the Grace of God through faith.
You should be speaking for Christ who has saved you, and what He is doing for you, that you could not do of yourself. And how the Holy Spirit is working in your life. But no, you teach the law to try and bring conviction to others.
---Mark_V. on 5/21/11


willa: "As for me, I rest every day"

Good thing you're not a Catholic. They consider sloth to be one of the 7 deadly sins.

Besides, The 4th Commandment not only requires rest on the seventh day (that's Saturday, Mark), but also requires work on the other six (that includes Sunday, Mark).

Why do you guys always think that your plan is better than God's?
---jerry6593 on 5/21/11


The Saturday Sabbath, unlike all the other sabbaths, is needed in today's world more than any other time in history. Christians have filled up every minute of every day doing something other than what scripture commands for christians to do: to walk with God. Christ did not abolish any of the commandments of which the Sabbath is the least. Christians have a hardened heart, and a very selfish one, concerning the Sabbath day. They don't want to give up their only day of the week from school and work to walk with God. They would rather do what is important to them: shopping, entertainment, being with friends and family, etc. Christians make all kinds of excuses to keep from walking with God and they teach it to others.

Please walk with God.
---Steven on 5/21/11


I have noticed that, David
---Jasheradan on 5/22/11


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David, you or anyone cannot corner me with the law. It's impossible. I have moved forward to a new life. I do not want to go back to the law because it could not save me, in fact it had me under bondage. Christ has set me free. The fact is that no one has argued they are not doing the Sabbath, what they argue about is not on one perticular day, we are free from the law, to worship when we want as we feel the Spirit moving us. We are not along fighting a war, we have Christ.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/11


Dear Mark
I have never argued I do not sin.---Samuel on 5/20/11

Samuel
Don't take it personally.
When Mark is cornered, like a politician he starts making false accusations about people to divert attension away from himself.
---David on 5/21/11


Dear Mark

I have never argued I do not sin. We should be running from sin and as we die to self sin less. Our goal John says is to not sin.

A corollary article of legalism is the adherence to the letter of the law to the exclusion of the Spirit of the law. Mark.

If I adhere to the letter to the exclusion of the Sprit than I would be a legalist. I have tried to speak with love and show that love that wants to obey JESUS.

I do not want people to be in bondage to the law. That is where they believe the law saves them and they earn their salvation.

I try to get people to love GOD and keep his commandments out of love as the result of being saved.

Should I not make a case for what I believe to be true?
---Samuel on 5/20/11


"have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless?"

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."


"So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his"

Our sabbath rest is in Christ. We have no need to work any longer.

"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind"

As for me, I rest every day
---willa5568 on 5/20/11


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Samuel, why go through months of answering you, francis, David or Jerry for that matter? Everything is a smoke screen for what you want to present, "Saturday Sabbath" all of you want everyone else to be in bondage to the law, disregarding the Spirit of the Law. Nothing has changed for several years I have been on line. Why else would you give those passages since all of you sin just as much or even more then others for disregarding the Spirit of the law. The legalist of Jesus day were the Pharisees, and Jesus reserved His strongest criticism for them. A corollary article of legalism is the adherence to the letter of the law to the exclusion of the Spirit of the law. Legalism bind's God's people where God has left them free.
---Mark_V. on 5/20/11


Righteous is believing you are right and those who believe differently are wrong, because "god" told you so. Righteousness is being full of it. Some are more full of it than others. Those who don't believe in "god" can't be righteous, nor can they be full of it.
---atheist on 5/19/11


Samuel,
For those who say that if you fail in one point or exclude some points of the law, that you violate the whole law:

Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

Now, is compliance and full acceptance of a commandment ,of neccessity, acceptance of all the law?
---Nana on 5/19/11


Simply put righteousness is being in right relationship with the LORD...
---Spirit_Sword on 5/19/11


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My response still stands. You say abiding in Christ and eternal life have nothing to with each other or are contextually different. They are not mutually exclusive since eternal life is defined as knowing the Father and Jesus Christ, and abiding in Christ cannot take place without knowing Him. As for the never-ending argument over the Sabbath, here is the verse I picked:

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and vain.
---Sophia on 5/19/11


Mark both David and I pointed out that serving in Newness of life does not mean the letter is done away with. The exmple I used was adultery. David used lust.

Both show that to serve in newness of letter is about serving from the heart not trying to achieve works righteouness which is impossible.

Your argument is not a valid against keeping any of the Ten commandments. If you wish to say the Sabbath is different then you can make that point. But if your point is that newness of spirit does away with the Ten commandments as a whole which I do not believe you mean then you would contridict other statments you have made.

Agape.
---Samuel on 5/19/11


David, you can ask many questions if you want, but it all comes down to "Saturday Sabbath"
---Mark_V. on 5/19/11

How did we ever get on the subject of Saturday sabbath?
I don't believe in Saturday Sabbath keeping.
---David on 5/19/11


Sophia, thanks for the lesson. But the context was not talking about eternal life. Pick another verse that has the context.

David, you can ask many questions if you want, but it all comes down to "Saturday Sabbath"
Do you believe people don't read the Bible? Again,
"But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter" (Rom. 7:6).
"But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine" to which you were delivered" (Rom. 6:17).
---Mark_V. on 5/19/11


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Samuel
(1John 2:16) spoke of Lust too, and it clearly tells us that those who lust are of the world, not of God.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

(1John 2:15) clearly says that God is not in those who are in the world.
"If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
Synopsis:
If you lust, you are in the world and God does not abide in you.

Another clear teaching from Jesus in (Matthew 5:27-28), turned into a mystery for those seeking the Truth through the teachings of Men.
---David on 5/19/11


Eternal life is knowing God and Him whom He has sent. To abide in Christ, you must know Him. To know Him is to know the Father. To know the Father and Jesus Christ IS eternal life. You cannot separate eternal life from either knowing Him or abiding in Him.
---Sophia on 5/18/11


So what does it mean newness of the spirit and not oldness of the letter? JESUS gave us an example.

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Newness of Spirit does not mean done away with. The emphasis is on the heart attitude.
---Samuel on 5/18/11


As I told francis, stop the smoke screen, and continuing everyday with the law, get to the point, "Saturday Sabbath" many answers are given you and you put more questions. ---Mark_V. on 5/18/11

Are not under the Law of Christ?
If you are, what do you think that is?
Is it a written Law, or an unwritten Law?
---David on 5/18/11


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David, the context was not speaking about eternal life. It was speaking about abiding in Christ forever. Of course all the passages that speak about salvation, the end result is eternal life. But that was not the context, and so your question to me was pretty rediculous. As I told francis, stop the smoke screen, and continuing everyday with the law, get to the point, "Saturday Sabbath" many answers are given you and you put more questions. "But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter" Rom. 7:6.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/11


2 of 2
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
---Nana on 5/17/11


What are you expecting? Something you can question? You give a passage which doesn't speak about eternal life.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/11

Sorry Mark,
I thought you knew that if one abides with God forever, they must have Eternal Life.
Here is a comparative of verses which uses the same Phraseology by the same writer.
(John 8:35)
And the servant abideth not in the house forever: but the Son abideth ever.
(1John 2:17)
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.


In both verses, John is referring to the Sons of God who will have Eternal Life.
Agree?
---David on 5/18/11


1 of 2
"Disagree with you that your salvation is in your hands and not wholly of God."
---leej on 5/17/11

After all the "ye are washed", "ye are santified" and "justified", Paul tells you that he rather you would not be ignorant!

1 Cor. 10:6-12 "Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them, as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand."
---Nana on 5/17/11


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Nana //Matt.3:10 "... therefore every tree bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"

Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
-----
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Disagree with you that your salvation is in your hands and not wholly of God.
---leej on 5/17/11


5 Romans 8:10
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
6 Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
9 Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
11 Philippians 3:9
and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christthe righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith
---Christina on 5/17/11


leej,

Matt.3:10 "... therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
John 5:29 "And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Matthew 15:19 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"
Galatians 5:21 "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Go ahead, confirm your reservations for the penthouse suite in hell.
---Nana on 5/17/11


David, you posted a rediculous question. Something only you could come out with. What are you expecting? Something you can question? You give a passage which doesn't speak about eternal life. Then ask me about eternal life. Did you read what the context was about? Who are those who do the will of God? They are those who abide in Him. The task of a genuine believer is to "walk in the Truth" persevere in faithfulness and sound doctrine (.20,21, 2 John 4, 3 John 4). Whenever John refers to abiding he is referring to persevering in faith of salvation, which is evidence of being a true believer (John 15:1-6).
---Mark_V. on 5/17/11


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Abide in Him, whenever John refers to abiding he is referring to persevering in the faith of salvation: which is the evidence of being a true believer (John 15:1-6).
---Mark_V.

True. That abiding is shown by loving GOD and loving others. If love is not shown then they are not in CHRIST.
---Samuel on 5/17/11


James_L, not according to the Bible. And my faith is in the Holy Word from righteous God, and not in googles from sinuous man.
---Eloy on 5/17/11


You are like so many teachers, you take clearly written verses and turn them into mysteries.
---David on 5/15/11

(1John 2:17)
And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides forever.

Mark V
Does this say to you, you gain Eternal Life, and then you will do the will of God, or does it say those who do the will of God, will abide forever?
---David on 5/17/11


In considering Righteousness as human goodness, perhaps we should consider Isaiah 64:6"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags, ..

In terms of a functional definition: Righteousness is Divine Goodness, a gift of Grace, which places us in a position as if we had never sinned. Moreover, Divine Goodness does not only saves us, it provides the condition for fellowship with an absolutely Holy God.

No human being can perform well enough or long enough to meet Gods standard of Righteousness. Moral uprightness is Gods expectation of all human beings and it demonstrates, maintains and confirms our humanity. Immorality shows how far we have fallen from what it means to be human.
---Allan on 5/17/11


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Steven G, you said to me:

"
So, who does the baptising?"


The Holy Spirit baptises all born of God. It is a spiritual baptism. All into one body, where Christ is the Head of that body. The Spiritual church of Christ, the Bride of Christ.

I do not have to do an online search for anything, Scripture declares that Christ is the Vine. "I am the true Vine, and My Father is the Vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away, and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit" ( John 15:1-2 ).
---Mark_V. on 5/17/11


//And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Those in Christ have been justified - declared to be righteous and not by the law but by their faith in Christ. Suggest you read Romans and stop listening to mentors who desire only to tickle your ears.

Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

To say that your efforts are what counts towards salvation is much like telling the crippled to walk and the blind to see.

In other words, go save yourself as Jesus is not the Savior to you.
---leej on 5/16/11


\\Righteousness...is the opposite of Sinuousness, Sinuousness being and doing Sin or Wrong.\\
---Eloy on 5/16/11


Wrong on both accounts, Eloy. Sinuous means "wavy" or "winding" like a winding river

"Characterized by many curves or turns"

Google it, you'll see the light
---James_L on 5/16/11


"Otherwise you would have to believe that salvation as well as the Christian walk is something that is of yourself. Eph. 2:8-10

To love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves. "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

How much our salvation depends on us?
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
"And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple."
Matt.4:17 "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Surely Mark-Cinco loves your kind of talk. I find it empty.
---Nana on 5/16/11


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Mark_V.: "All we do is present the Gospel, and God will bring it with power to those who are His elect."

So, who does the baptising?

Mark_V.: "No amount of works will make you a vine."

Do an online KJV bible search for the word "vine". The verses found denotes both literal meanings and metaphors. When christians grows his or her own vine he is starting a church (not your man-made, government-controlled denominational churches, but a true church of christ) growing the vine so that it will produce fruits. How many churches have you started? (this is just a rhetorical question that does not need to be answered)
---Steveng on 5/16/11


nana //For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."

One can be a servant but fail in come things. And that is why the righteousness that is of Christ is credited to those of whom believe.1 Cor. 1:30-31

Scripture declares that our righteousness (if we have any) is anything but filty rags. (Isa. 64:6, rags being those used of women!)

Otherwise you would have to believe that salvation as well as the Christian walk is something that is of yourself. Eph. 2:8-10
---leej on 5/16/11


Samuel, 1 John says many things, He who loves his brother abides in the light and there is no cause for stumbling in him, but he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness" why? The darkness has blinded his eyes. In other places it says, the enemy has blinded his eyes, in others it say God has blinded them, yet in others it says, they are born blinded by the curse on Adam. The evidence of someone saved is not found in the persons works only but whether he has a true love for Christ, for no one lost has a love for Christ. Abide in Him, whenever John refers to abiding he is referring to persevering in the faith of salvation: which is the evidence of being a true believer (John 15:1-6).
---Mark_V. on 5/16/11


The fruits of the Spirit are listed in Galations and there you will also find a list of what Christians will not do. Two lists each in a different Chapter.

In first John he simply writes those who say they love GOD and do not keep his commandments are liars.

That seems straight forward. Now we argue about what his commandments are that is a different story.
---Samuel on 5/16/11


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Righteousness is being and doing Right: it is the opposite of Sinuousness, Sinuousness being and doing Sin or Wrong.
---Eloy on 5/16/11


Righteosness is understanding that Jesus saves you. Nothing you can do will make you acceptable to God. Hebrews 11 says that Abraham was declared righteous in his faith of God. Not in doing works or obeying the law (which was after Abraham).
---Scott on 5/16/11


Steven G, you are confusing what the fruits are of a genuine Christian. We don't have a vine, and we do not make our vine better in anyway. In answer to your statement,

"The "fruits" are the people you bring into the Kingdom of God - as in growing your vine."

The people that come into God's kingdom are those that God, through the Holy Spirit brings to life. He brings people into the kingdom of God. All we do is present the Gospel, and God will bring it with power to those who are His elect. No amount of works will make you a vine. We are the branches, Jesus is the Vine.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/11


leej , "none righteous"
Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

Word declares:
Matt.3:10 "... therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
John 5:29 "And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Romans 14:16-18 "Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
"
---Nana on 5/15/11


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Romans 3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Regardless how you define what is righteousness, the Word declares us to be unrighteous.
---leej on 5/15/11


Mark_V.: "...because we know them by their fruits, by your answers, " because people are saved by Grace through faith, not by any works of their own."

Again you are using your worldly understanding to spiritual matters.

The "fruits" are the people you bring into the Kingdom of God - as in growing your vine.

You're confusing works "of their own" with works of God, including miracles, for faith without works is dead faith.
---Steveng on 5/15/11


Nana, I do not believe your comments towards me like,

"With such ones is nearly impossible to reason as their brain has become a fried egg"

will get you any closer to Christ, or display the love of Christ in your life. In fact they show how far away you are. Second, the passage you gave from Hebrews no where states those talked about in Hebrews 6:4-6 were even saved. Many in the RCC and other Churches hear the word also, act like they are holier then thou, but only delude themselves, because we know them by their fruits, by your answers, " because people are saved by Grace through faith, not by any works of their own."
---Mark_V. on 5/15/11


Wonderful question,
There are two main types(or kinds) of righteousness.
1. Is the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. This righteousness is imputed upon the persons acceptance of Christ as their personal savior. Protestants generally favor this type of righteousness
2. The second type of righteousness is known as infused righteousness. This is accepted by the RCC and many others. This type of righteousness involves the availability of Christ's righteousness after you fulfill certain efforts on your own.
Imputed righteousness is all of Christ.
Infused righteousness is Christ and others including the individual obtaining the righteousness.
---mima on 5/15/11


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Mark
It is not me you question, it is the word of God.

You are like so many teachers, you take clearly written verses and turn them into mysteries.
For this reason, you must teach the same confusing lessons over and over again, not because the student is slow of learning, but because by definition, you are not a teacher.

A teacher is one whom God makes the mysteries of the Bible clear, so that Gods teachings can be understood and practiced by the believer.
They will know the Truth, because following these teachings draws them closer to God.

I do not ask my students to believe in my words, but to see it for themselves when they put the teachings of Jesus Christ into practice.
---David on 5/15/11


We are by choice not righteous we choose sin. The only way to become righteous is by Faith in JESUS CHRIST. His perfect obdience to the law is given to us so we are justified by the righteouness of JESUS through faith. This is sometimes called Justification.

Then we through the HOLY SPIRIT in us turn from loving sin to hating sin and running towards GOD by faith.

If a person is living in faith they do right. If they choose to live in sin they are not in faith.

The OT passage has to do with those who thought because they did certain right things they could still be saved. No one is saved except through Grace.
---Samuel on 5/14/11


righteousness is RIGHT LIVING, OR LIVING RIGHT and is based on living according to the word of God. It includes obedience, faith and living without sin.
---francis on 5/14/11


"That means that people who do righteous deeds over and over, the minute he sins, he has broken all the laws. These people were under a covenant of works."
---Mark_V. on 5/14/11

And those who have been "enlightened" and "have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partaker of the Holy Ghost", who have "tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come", put the Son of God to an open shame when they fall away and surrender to sin.
With such ones is nearly impossible to reason as their brain has become a fried egg.
---Nana on 5/14/11


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David, I agree with Bell-willa, but have to question your passages from Eze. 33:12. He was not speaking of the righteousness of Christ. He was talking about the persons own righteous deeds. For (v.13) says "When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered, but because of his iniquity that he has committed, he shall die."
That means that people who do righteous deeds over and over, the minute he sins, he has broken all the laws. These people were under a covenant of works.
---Mark_V. on 5/14/11


In God's love we have God's ability to tell the difference between right people and wrong people and right and wrong things. In His love we have His light to see people right, to we can't be fooled into marrying the wrong people or supposing a predator is a priest or preacher! ---Bill_willa6989 on 5/13/11

Very discerning and educational, Bill.
Thanks brother.
---David on 5/14/11


About discerning, David > Philippians 1:9 > "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." In God's love we have God's ability to tell the difference between right people and wrong people and right and wrong things. In His love we have His light to see people right, to we can't be fooled into marrying the wrong people or supposing a predator is a priest or preacher! God's love alone is right love. As we live in His real love, we become more and more easily able to spot what is not His love trying to get us to do things. His Spirit is pure and beautiful and sensitive, not forcing and dominating us for pleasures and control. Hebrews 12:4-11
---Bill_willa6989 on 5/13/11


"What is righteousness?"
RIght standing with the Father as an act of being "vindicated and justified" in His sight, as well as His empowerment to do " what is right or just"
---joseph on 5/12/11


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In the study of this word righteous, I came across this passage.
(Ezekiel 33:12)
"If someone who is righteous disobeys, that persons former righteousness will count for nothing.
And if someone who is wicked repents, that persons former wickedness will not bring condemnation.
The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous.


Good evidence to show a brother who believes in the false teaching, "Once saved, always saved".

Also good evidence against those who believe they will be saved by their good works.

It's also a good verse to show those who think they are too evil to be saved.
---David on 5/13/11


I ask this question after reading (Malachi 3:18).
"Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not".

I'm always in search of verses, that I believe clearly define a word.
This verse seemingly tells us whom God sees as the righteous, and who God sees as the wicked.

What do you think?
---David on 5/12/11


A TRUE atheist considers the concept as ABSTRACT.

God is LIGHT. In God, there is NO DARKNESS at all. There is no contrast/opposite to proper living.

Our souls have been purified by God's righteousness that was carried out by Jesus on the cross, OUR righteous behavior/attitude cannot improve our soul's redemption. Soldiers have a fighting SPIRIT, sports players have a team SPIRIT, our spirit should be compatible with God's SPIRIT/attitude/character.

Humanity has come to define "righteousness" according to arbitrary CODES of morality, ethics, and PROPRIETY/properness, but the genuinely righteous measure/define and understand it as "peace and harmony are logical, anything disruptive is EVIL and ILLOGICAL".
---more_excellent_way on 5/11/11


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