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What Is God's Love

Is God's love the same as our love? And, by God destroying the wicked is it a show of love? Please give Scripture to proof your believes. Opinions are great if they follow Scripture.

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//Whoever is using the mock names to abuse me is no Christian. //

it happened to me, by somebody who is right here and very vocal. (it was not mrs. p) and i thought it was pretty funny on one hand and revealing on the other.

//If I didn't kow better, I would think I was witnessing a movie called MEAN GIRLS. You men are a bunch of MEAN GIRLS.//

kathr, i think you are spending a coin that has only one side.
---aka on 5/31/11


Nice vocabulary! Most likely adquired in some institution for the mentally gifted otherwise...
liar
abuse
mocking
cowards
hypocrites
vile
insulting
provoking
blamed
hurt
Here is wisdom:
Matt.7:12 "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Ok, I try kathr4453 method from 5/30/11,

Are you "over the top, PMS or whatever, something deeper"?
"Rather than getting into a verbal altercation, I just", give you the cookie, ok?
(triple chocolate meltdown)!
---Nana on 5/31/11


kathr4453: Listen I don't like being lied about and bullied by a bunch of self-righteous religious phonies. Go confront the ones who lied and slandered me. I was defending myself and who wouldn't be angry being falsely accused.

You guys are morons. You provoke and then you want someone to act all saintly about it. What hypocrites!
---poopsey on 5/31/11


OK poopsey, ENOUGH ALREADY!

If I didn't kow better, I would think I was witnessing a movie called MEAN GIRLS. You men are a bunch of MEAN GIRLS.

Ya know poopsey, when people lied against Jesus, do you know what He DIDN'T DO?

He did not open his mouth.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/11


Haz27, actually this blog is turning into TRASH.

Bad company corrupts good morals.

Just be a godly man and don't get drawn into this getting yoursef all dirty.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/11




Nana: You are a liar. A lot of things were said about me that were lies. You and company are out to abuse me with mocking usernames, etc.

I still think a lot of you are cowards for not speaking out against John and company. They could care less how they hurt others.

Funny how when I defend myself I am abused for it yet once again.

Maybe all you hypocrites should read again all the vile and insulting things John, Haz27 and company wrote before you give your biased view.

At least some on here seem decent but I would suggest you stop provoking me with insults.
---poopsey on 5/31/11


Whoever is using the mock names to abuse me is no Christian. The ones doing the abuse have not taken any responsibility for the provoking and lies they have said about me which is not Christian either.

I just get blamed and insulted more which means more abuse is heaped on my head.

All those doing this are being used by the Devil to hurt me and all those going out of their way to try to hurt me on purpose will answer up to God for this.

May God have mercy on your evil and corrupt souls.
---poopsey on 5/31/11


kathr:
My apologies, I re-read your comments and yes you did say "Now here is a TIP, and I fail many times to do this myself."

I guess I just wasn't expecting you to be going off amongst the same posts where you had said "self reacts...going off".

But, I fail to see why your "going off" should make you judge fellow believers as non-believers though.

And I suggest you re-read my posts on sin as your comments show you do not understand what I was saying.



---Haz27 on 5/31/11


The woman judges and antagonizes all people here and you want us to give her a cookie? ---Nana on 5/31/11

Make sure it's a triple chocolate meltdown.
---scooper on 5/31/11


"Sounds like you are the Poopsey. Didn't you say you were not an emotional christian woman?"

And there you have it folks! "Poopsey" blazes the annals of history as the misnomer of the emotional, insecure Christian woman who claims to be mature but has messed up a pair of pants and stepped in the overflow.
---scoopee on 5/31/11




Sounds like you are the Poopsey. Didn't you say you were not an emotional christian woman?
Now you want the men to make exceptions for PMS and emotions? There are emotions and there are petty tantrums.

"I can't believe that people on here have no backbone and don't stand up to you. Bunch of cowards!"
---poopsey on 5/30/11

The woman judges and antagonizes all people here and you want us to give her a cookie?
---Nana on 5/31/11


Haz27, you sure did READ A LOT into what I said. Things I never said, but you assumed I did. Isn't that what partly set off poopsey, taking her words and adding your extra insight into it. Yes, I can see how that would set someone off. It happens here a lot, and many get set off. It's a old game of the devil.

Let's REGROUP here Haz, I said, you are not sinless, seeing YOU did not follow 1 cor 13 in perfection.

So stop making excuses, pointing fingers at others who don't claim to be sinless.

And, the fact that you did not repent, but excused yourself,,BUT BUT BUT, only tells me you are not all that you believe yourself to be.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/11


kathr you said:
"SELF REACTS...going OFF."

1Cor 13 says love is not easily provoked. So we all still can go off at times if the right buttons are pushed. Some more than others unfortunately. Our debates on sin you have demonstrated this yourself. Even here you are "going off" too. I hope you can recognize it in yourself and not just others.

Your criticisms here show you have misunderstood much of what we allegedly unsaved (by your judgement) men said.
You also clearly didn't understand what I said on sin either.

I suspect if a man had behaved like poopsey your response would be the opposite. This is not a gender battle. It's about confronting selfish behavior.


---Haz27 on 5/30/11


kathr:
I noted your example about your son in law. It's good that theirs is a successful marriage. But your suggestion that husbands are to blame if marriages go wrong because they cant handle their wife is, ridiculous.
Women are not all the same. I see on blogs here some women are loving and trust in God and others are selfish.

You make too many assumptions about the marriage circumstances of us men you judge unsaved.
---Haz27 on 5/30/11


And what I heard coming from the men who were in this horrible verbal altercation actually shocked me that these were men, some MARRIED men. Any married man KNOWS women are very emotional, have PMS, raising small children etc. And yes I see how WONDERFUL my son in law HANDLES these situations with so much LOVE and self control. That what makes him so much MORE a man. And then I watch how much MORE my daughter loves and respects her husband because he handles things like a man, and not a child.

Now those unmarried men who made aweful comments who only date beautiful women...no beautiful woman would ever put up with you! That's why you're still single. Not so attractive woman are actually more giving from the heart.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/11


You see Haz27, OH sinless one who CANNOT SIN, if that were TRUE, you would have demonstrated 1 Cor 13 to a perfect T. Crossing every T and dotting every "i" as we all stepped back in AWE of how sinless pefection works in words and attitude towards one so obvoulsy hurting. OH NO, you all provoked beyond anything I have ever witnessed towards a total stranger, you never met, but PRESUMPTUOUSLY kept needleing and provoking beyongd cruelty. YOU are as guilty as the ugliest comment made for going along with it.

Then you have the nerve to come here and attack, again showing your SINFUL and disgusting moral and spiritual ugly head.

GREAT EXAMPLE of a sinless one!!!
---kathr4453 on 5/30/11


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Now here is a TIP, and I fail many times to do this myself. But I don't bill myself out as sinless. SINLESS people should do this ALL THE TIME.

You can either RESPOND or REACT.

The difference between the two is Supernatural LOVE and SELF.

SELF REACTS...going OFF.

LOVE Responds, seeing beneath the surface of a comment or action.

I learned through a very difficult teen age daughter that when she was over the top, PMS or whatever, something deeper was hurting her. Rather than getting into a verbal altercation, I just said, I love you. Sometimes that's all someone wants to hear and know.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/11


Haz27, Does one love with the EYE or with the heart? The LUST of the eyes is not of God. Unconditional LOVE that comes from the HEART, God's LOVE working through us, is evidence one is saved/Born of the Spirit.

IF in fact we are being perfected in HIS LOVE being a life long process, that comes about in us as WE die to self, (I DIE DAILY) is not manifest in the least towards another, that man's RELIGION is vain.

Since you are sinless, and already instantly PERFECT, the total depth of God's LOVE should be manifest through you.

As Alan said, no one can KNOW completely teh depth of God,s LOVE...it will take is all eternity to tap into the Depth of it.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/11


Mark "I also agree with John's description of God's love. It is nothing that we can know or understand"

You are almost correct, but did notn go far enough. The Truth is that we can't understand the full extent of God's love. It's wider than John, or Kathr, or you, or Poopsey, or Christina, or I can imagine.

Sadly, many here do put limits on His love.

BUt you also say "I also agree with John's description of God's love"

What???

How can you agree with his description? He has given no description ... just a denunciation of everything that we humans understand by God's love ... even God's love as demonstrated by Jesus's teaching, and by His life, death and resurrection.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/30/11


kathr said:
"I can assure you, they are not true Born Again Christians.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/11"

Comments like this are often made out of resentment and indicate lack of understanding.
This is not the first time you have done this too.
God's sees people hearts and He knows those who are His. We should leave that judgement to Him.

Conveniently this topic is about love. Bloggers may disagree, even abusively at times, but it's much better for love to remain and not resentment.
---Haz27 on 5/30/11


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Christina, you have run into trouble with the same people I have, and since I agree with your answers, it becomes worse for you to answer now, until they give you some room for a while, and since they never forget, they come back to you.
Second: If God is permitting evil things to happen it is because He has a purpose for everything. There is no force anywhere in the universe that has power over God. It is people here who limit Him to a man an create a god that completely fits the one they speak of. One whom they can give glory when they want, ask for things when they want, and if He doesn't answer prayer, they hate Him.
I also agree with John's description of God's love. It is nothing that we can know or understand.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/11


poopsey, I'm really sorry some people on line here have displayed themselves as ones who don't know the difference between love and lust.

Talking about God's LOVE...that unconditional love when we are saved, is also that same unconditional LOVE our CHRISTIAN husbands have for their wives. Wives are to RESPECT their husbands but Husbands are to LOVE their wives.

Those you are angry with, it appears some if not all are not married, possibly because they think it's all about THEM, and if any man who said those things to you on that othe blog was married, I can assure you, they are not true Born Again Christians.

It did give me a real eye full of WHO is posting here.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/11


John: Jesus said if you have seen him you have seen the Father. So Jesus is God and Jesus personifies what God is.

Jesus did not go around acting like you and hating and degrading women and hurting people on purpose. Jesus had emotions and showed compassion on people and he wept which includes emotions. So you are wrong and don't know the God of the Bible.

The people Jesus condemned and criticized were the religious hypocritical Pharisees who thought they were very religious but their hearts were far from God. They had hardened hearts just like you John.

Time to repent and trade your heart of stone for a heart of flesh. Only Jesus can transform you from a cold cruel person to a caring one.
---poopsey on 5/30/11


Poopsey ... Most of us here have learnt to take no notice of JOHN/ PASTOR JIM's rants
---alan8566 on 5/30/11


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John: You have a serious problem. You are obviously evil and possibly a sociopath since you have no emotions. That is not normal. You are a cruel person that enjoys hurting people and that does not come from God.

You don't know the God of the Bible and I'm sure you enjoyed getting the last jab in on me and insulting me and my marriage and you don't even know me. My marriage is not SICK but YOU ARE!

You need to repent and trade your heart of stone for a heart of flesh.

I can't believe that people on here have no backbone and don't stand up to you. Bunch of cowards!
---poopsey on 5/30/11


I see no one put this.

For God so LOVED the world, that HE GAVE His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

John 15:12-14 12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
---kathr4453 on 5/27/11


Now I understand why you are so bitter and angry, John/Pastor_Jim.
---CraigA on 5/26/11


The Bible defines what true love is in 1 Corinthians 13. It perfectly describes God.
---Jasheradan on 5/26/11


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Psa 145:20 The LORD preserves all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy.
---aka on 5/25/11


Psa 145:19 He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them.


1Jn 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
---aka on 5/25/11


G-ds Love is absolutely nothing that has been describe here. Its not the touchy feely love!

The bible is NOT a book about "LOVE." The vain emotion you ignorantly ascribe to G-d.

Ignorance is NOT bliss!

It is why you are having such a hard time explaining G-d commanding that people woman/children get slaughtered, tortured, starved to death etc.
Doesn't fit in your new style touchy feely, politically correct. "Aren't we all nice and fluffy" facade of christianity

When you understand WHAT the word LOVE is, you'll understand the rest! It all fitS PERFECTLY SINCE G-D IS LOVE. NO... NOT WHAT YOU THINK LOVE MEANS. NOT EVEN CLOSE IN DEFINITION!

HINT: Its NOT an emotion AT ALL!!!!
---John on 5/25/11


People make me laugh sometimes.

If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
---TheSeg on 5/25/11


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I Missed this:" Let's remember, Stephen was killed by evil men. God did not remove the evil men. Christians all over this world are being killed by evil men for preaching the Gospel. God is not destroying those evil men.

Jesus tells us, we are in the world but not OF this world. Heaven is our home...now. Not here on earth.

We are counted as sheep for the slaughter, just as Jesus Was..

One day in the NEW Heaven and earth, evil will not be able to enter. HERE, Evil entered at or before the Garden, and will be here until Christ returns".
Amen!
---Christina on 5/25/11


Is God's love the same as our love?
YES: John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise,

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
---francis on 5/25/11


christina on 5/25/11


God keeping His covenant Promise did not let ANY who came out of Egypt go into the promise land, except Joshua and Calab. Not sure when they were born, but only those 20 years and under obtained the promise. LOVE or Judgement?

There is no Covenant promise to the Church that God will keep us from, death, persecution or evil men who by the way killed not only Jesus, but Paul, Peter,all the Apostles along with Antipas, my faithful martyr and many more.

"And they loved not their lives unto death"...

Even the two witnesses will be killed by evil men...

Since we do have variable situations here, let's rightly divide the word of truth.

What WE are promised is ETERNAL LIFE.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/11


--When His people were delivered out of Egypt, did He not destroy Pharaoh? Was He not, at least in part, acting to protect His people, and wasn't it out of Love and mercy for them?
---Christina on 5/25/11

He raised up Pharoah (a pagan) and destroyed him to show His power to Israel. So they would know the power of the one true God and how he is able to deliver us. There is no guarantee in His word that He will deliver us from persecution. He only promises to deliver us from temptation.
---CraigA on 5/25/11


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Kathr:"I never said God removes all evil. He does destroy the wicked when and if He chooses. He is sovereign. Our lives and deaths are in Gods hands.
"I so remember hearing one like yourself..." If you read many of my posts, you would know that I too have been abused, and would NEVER delight in my ex's destruction if that were to happen, and would not encourage others to do so either.

I think we are to praise God in all things, He is always deserving of our praise, however I would not delight, they are not one and the same, as some may see it.
psalm 75
"Stop living in the Old testament where God certainly had to protect Israel until Christ came." Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior.
---Christina on 5/25/11


Kathr,"Well christina, when Israel came out of Egypt, and SINNED making a golden calf and worshiping it, God wanted to destroy Israel right then. YET, Moses reminded God of His covenant promise to Abraham, and God did not destroy them."
True. This does not however answer my question " Was He not, at least in part, acting to protect His people, and wasn't it out of Love and mercy for them?" Does God ever cease to be Love, or to love? Love is His nature, and it is perfect love.
I also agree that God does as he promises, He alone is faithful, and keeps His covenants.
---christina on 5/25/11


Is God's love the same as our love?
YES 1 Corinthians 13:1-8

And, by God destroying the wicked is it a show of love?
BY SAVING EVERYONE FROM A LIFETIME OF PAIN AND SUFFERING BROUGHT BY SIN
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
---francis on 5/25/11


Was He not, at least in part, acting to protect His people, and wasn't it out of Love and mercy for them?
---Christina on 5/25/11

Well christina, when Israel came out of Egypt, and SINNED making a golden calf and worshiping it, God wanted to destroy Israel right then. YET, Moses reminded God of His covenant promise to Abraham, and God did not destroy them.

God's chosen people Israel, for the purpose of bring to pass HIS PROMISES, Land, Redeemer etc, will do what HE PROMISED in spite of our selves.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/11


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Jasheradan, I agree that God does not delight in the death of the wicked, and He would rather that none would perish but have/choose eternal life. He gives a choice.
---christina on 5/25/11


Jasheradan and CraigA, GREAT POSTS.

christina, What did John say in 1st John, those who are saved but fall into a really bad sin...God takes the Christian OUT, not the evil or the evil influence.

I so remember hearing one like yourself actually encouraging battered wives,(Chriatian) that God does and may kill their husbands..giving testimonies of one such woman who's husband died of a heart attack praising God about it!What PRESUMPTUOUSNESS. And what false hope of a LIE to plant in anyone's head...THAT's Evil!

We must always be prepared to DIE for what we believe.

Stop living in the Old testament where God certainly had to protect Israel until Christ came.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/11


Craig:"Why would God do this for us, when he didnt do it for his only Son? He flat out told us we were going to suffer and that we would be rewarded for our suffering. If he takes away those who cause our suffering, the reward would dissappear as well." Of course God didn't do this for Jesus since Jesus suffering, death and resurrection was the plan of salvation. I agree we suffer. However, as Sovereign Lord, He can choose to destroy the wicked when and how He chooses. Throughout history He has done so many times. Judgment belongs to the Lord. When His people were delivered out of Egypt, did He not destroy Pharaoh? Was He not, at least in part, acting to protect His people, and wasn't it out of Love and mercy for them?
---Christina on 5/25/11


I so love 1st John, the Book of God and God is Love. Yet, or should I say because we are being perfected IN HIS LOVE, we OVERCOME the wicked one.

The 7 letters to the Churches again are to OVERCOMERS..those who have OVERCOME the Evil one, evil doctrine, evil influences..Jezebel etc. WE OVERCOME in this evil world.

Neither life or death, or persecution or any of these things we HAVE TO ENDURE in this life can separate us from the Love of God In Christ Jesus.

No Suffering, no overcomers, NO GLORY!
---kathr453 on 5/25/11


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Jasheradan, I agree that God does not delight in the death of the wicked, and He would rather that none would perish but have/choose eternal life. He gives a choice.
---christina on 5/25/11


Ezekiel 18:23

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Yet some men still claim God withholds repentance from us.

Ezekiel 33:11

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways, for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

If God is asking men WHY they would choose to die, wouldnt that signify that He doesnt want them to?
---Jasheradan on 5/25/11


" I do believe He can remove or destroy the wicked in order to protect those that are His own that are negatively impacted by the wicked one(s). that is an act of mercy and love towards His own"

Why would God do this for us, when he didnt do it for his only Son? He flat out told us we were going to suffer and that we would be rewarded for our suffering. If he takes away those who cause our suffering, the reward would dissappear as well.
---CraigA on 5/25/11


Kathr: "Well, God did not remove my wicked x husband, getting rid of him. Quite the opposite. God taught me unconditional LOVE HIS LOVE to the wicked." God also taught me unconditional love through the situation with my ex. I would much rather see my ex drawn to God then destroyed. When and if God chooses to destroy any that are wicked, is up to Him. He alone knows if repentance will happen. I do believe He can remove or destroy the wicked in order to protect those that are His own that are negatively impacted by the wicked one(s). that is an act of mercy and love towards His own
---christina on 5/24/11


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God not only has love, He IS love. ---Although we may not understand, God destroying the wicked must show His love, since He cannot deny His very nature (love). I can understand that by destroying the wicked, He may be protecting those who are not wicked. there is much in scripture about cutting off the wicked, the unfruitful, there's much about leaven and destroying the whole batch...God knows those who will never repent and will only further harm others, so to get rid of them would be love. It's hard for us to see that since we do not see others as God see them
---Christina on 5/12/11

Well, God did not remove my wicked x husband, getting rid of him. Quite the opposite. God taught me unconditional LOVE HIS LOVE to the wicked.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/11


Let's remember, Stephen was killed by evil men. God did not remove the evil men. Christians all over this world are being killed by evil men for preaching the Gospel. God is not destroying those evil men.

Jesus tells us, we are in the world but not OF this world. Heaven is our home...now. Not here on earth.

We are counted as sheep for the slaughter, just as Jesus Was..

One day in the NEW Heaven and earth, evil will not be able to enter. HERE, Evil entered at or before the Garden, and will be here until Christ returns.

Deal with it!
---kathr4453 on 5/24/11


2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

GOD does not want to destroy anyone. He has to get rid of evil and those who cling to evil will be destoryed with it.
---Samuel on 5/23/11


Posted before, but didn't go through
Mark "a Christian who has faith and is dependend towards Christ (God) we have to look at things from a God centered theology, His perspective. When we start from a men's centered theology we make all things to conform to our wisdom not God's."
Agree. Thank you for your encouragement. I know I have to guard against that very thing when reading/responding. Sometimes i feel the need to refrain from posting. I'm not here to argue points, but to better understand the truth, and hopefully speak the truth so others might see.

Josef " All praises are due the Father. May the Holy Spirit continue to teach us all and to grant us the privilege of sharing, one with another."
Amen!!
---Christina on 5/23/11


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Kathr, It's true that men killing "in the name of God" when it is clearly not of God is wrong.
I really know little of Calvin, but you ask "Was calvin destroyinng what he felt was evil an act of love? God's Love?" No, if it was simply what he thought was evil and acting in his wisdom instead of Gods' wisdom.
The focus in my posts has been God destroying the wicked, not men destroying the wicked. By what means God destroys, is another thing.
---christina on 5/23/11


christina, I don't disagree with your statement. But let's look at it in a different perspective. Did God create evil? Or is evil disobedience towards God. If all men obeyed God, there would be no evil.

Was calvin destroyinng what he felt was evil and act of love? God's Love?

This is where His thoughts and ways are hiigher than ours. Man in his faulty thinking have used the crusades, Hiltler's wwII murders believe they were acting in God' righteous love.
Many believing God used Hitler to punish the Jews.

SICK SICK SICK!
---kathr4453 on 5/21/11


Can you really say God grieves for the wicked? Rom 9:17
Or are we just trying to make him more human? Rom 1:23
A judgment call /was out of JUSTICE, not love.
How can you separate God? Gods justice and love must walk hand in hand.

He said not me!
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man.

But let me ask you, why cant God love destroying the wicked? Mat 20:15
Im sorry but Im laughing!
I just cant think of anything, God would love more than destroying the wicked.
Can you? You think it evil to destroy the wicked?

Joh 8:16
God bless you
---TheSeg on 5/21/11


Kathr: yes, I too think it is justice when God destroys the wicked, and yes, He grieves, and does not delight in the death of the wicked. However, does God stop loving while the wicked are destroyed? I don't think so. All of who God is, is implicit in all of His actions. He does not cease to be just, or loving or wise, or compassionate or any of His other numerous characteristics when an action of His does not immediately and obviously manifest to us, each and every attribute belonging to Him.
---Christina on 5/20/11


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The distruction of the Canaanites children was not only an act of mercy and love for the world at large, but it was also an act of love and mercy to the children themselves. What awaited these children, if they had been allowed to live, was something vastly worse than death.
In many cases, concerning the enemies of Israel, women were spared. But when they were spared we are told in Numbers 25 how the men of Israel did give themselves up to impurity with the daughters of Moab, but we are also told how in consequence, "the anger of the Lord was kindled against them" Numbers 25:3, and how God visited their impurity with the sternest judgment (Numbers 31:17).
---Mark_V. on 5/20/11


I believe God bringing death to the wicked, as we see in many cases, was out of JUSTICE, not love.

God does not delight in the death of the wicked. He was grieved with man before the flood. He repented that He even made man.

God Loves us so much yet Justice still had to be dealt with. Jesus took upon Himself God's wrath and justice. Was Jesus FEELING God's Love at Calvary?

God destroyed the power of SIN over your and my life. Thank goodness He loved me in my wickedness, and made a way of escape.

If God destroying the wicked is Love, then what is God saving us from our wickedness called?

For God so lOVED the World HE GAVE...it doesn't say "He took"!
---kathr4453 on 5/19/11


Christina you are so sweet. Thank you beloved, I appreciate the encouragement. All praises are due the Father. May the Holy Spirit continue to teach us all and to grant us the privilege of sharing, one with another.
MarkV I had no doubt, every thing you post is meant to teach, God bless your zeal, and may you continue share what the Spirit share with you. Remember "Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt," and always take into consideration that not all of us are as deep into the Father's word as you are. Continue to be patient and understanding in your answers.
---Josef on 5/19/11


Christina, you are doing the right thing. For a Christian who has faith and is dependend towards Christ (God) we have to look at things from a God centered theology, His perspective. When we start from a men's centered theology we make all things to conform to our wisdom not God's. Example, Hitler was not the worse that he could have been if God had not restrained sin in his life. At the core human beings are very evil. If God did not restrain sin, no one would be alive and His plan could not possible be completed. When Scripture mentions that He harden's someone heart, He does not make them sin more, He loosens the reins on sin in the persons life, and they get worse then they were. But only loosens the reins as far as God wants them to go.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/11


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Mark, this has been a good blog, and thought provoking. It delves into an aspect (for lack of a better word) of God, that we don't fully understand, and may in fact seem contrary to our "wisdom". I love this sort of thing, thats compels me to dig deeper, seek more truth, more Of who God is. There have been some great answers here. There is SO MUCH I don't understand, but some blogs really have helped me. Just want to say, when we don't understand His hand, trust His heart.
---christina on 5/17/11


Josef, again you have posted great answers. The reason I posted the blog was for believers to show the difference between the love we display and the love of God. Two very different loves. When God destroyed people through history, it was not only an act of mercy but of love, love for all humanity. Love for those He ordered kill, and send an angel to do the job, but also mercy for them. Since we do not see the future as God does, killing is hard for us to understand. But God understand all things. He orders us not to kill, because our intentions are sinful, yet He kills or orders people kill, because His intentions are always righteous. If God did not restrain sin, no one knows how far humans would go but God knows.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/11


Josef, Thank you. It is good to be back here blogging, especially to "see" believers such as you speak the truth. I appreciate your bible references, and that you speak the Word. It's an encouragement, uplifting, and a joy. The Lord has often spoken to me and taught through what you have written. Again, thank you.
---Christina on 5/16/11


Oh Josef, how can I see myself as anything else?
When I think of God and I look at myself.
But I thank God for this.

The better I know myself, the better I can see.
Yes, people I know, I will be forgiven.
And because of this I know you will be forgiven.
I know some of you say you do err.

I would never call someone wicked either.
But, I will not hide the truth from myself.
God bless and keep you all.
And he will do it! He is The Lord!
He makes the lame, walk! And the blind, see!
Trust Him
---TheSeg on 5/15/11


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TheSeg I must make this clear. My last post was addressed to you only up to, but not including, the words 'Wicked ones.'
I am by no means suggesting that you are one of the wicked, please do not mistake that. That was for those who blatantly twist or turn from His Word.
---Josef on 5/15/11


Josef, I loved that wonderful answer!
What I see in it.
Mat 7:12

You believe will be His work, yielding to Him is yours.
Isa 40:23

I love this one too.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not, I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

God bless you.
---TheSeg on 5/15/11


TheSeg, although your questions were not specifically addressed to me,
this response is for you.
"If the wicked are not good and there is none good?" 5/14/11
Allow me to finish the question, "Who then can be saved?"
Allow Jesus to answer.
"With men 'this is impossible', but with God, all things are possible."
In the words of Isaiah the prophet "Let the wicked forsake 'his way' and the evil man 'his thoughts'. Let him turn to the LORD, and 'He will' have mercy on him,"
Wicked ones, "Believe [rely on, adhere to, depend upon, and trust] in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved," your believing will be His work, yielding to Him is yours.
---Josef on 5/15/11


Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God

But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which?

Jesus said... Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 7:12!!!

The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up.
what lack I yet?
Have I heard this before!

Jesus said unto him, if thou wilt be perfect.
Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor.

Is anyone here perfect?
Because, There is none good but one, that is, God!

If the wicked are not good and there is none good?
Peace!
---TheSeg on 5/14/11


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Scott I said nothing about the wicked being "in Hell".
What I did say was "The wicked are overthrown and [are] no more." I say "Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. The transgressors shall be destroyed together, The future of the wicked shall be cut off. As smoke is driven away, So drive them away, As wax melts before the fire, So let the wicked perish at the presence of God.These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord"Psa 37:38> 104:35>62:8>2Th 1:9
These will be casted into the lake of fire, as will death and hell, This is the second 'death'. The wicked will die the second death. Eternal life is only granted to the redeemed.
---Josef on 5/13/11


The Wicked could not stand Heaven and would try to turn it into this earth we live on now. GOD is love so he does not torture people for all eternity.

Insted he lets all those who choose death to have their wish. The Atheists want to cease to exist. So after they admit they were wrong and bow their knee to JESUS then they will die.
---Samuel on 5/13/11


So Josef, what you are saying is that the wicked being in hell is better than being in the light (heaven) with sin. Have to chew on that a little.
---Scott on 5/13/11


"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18) So, in God's loving we do not have fear. And "God is not the author of confusion," we have in 1 Corinthians 14:33. So, if I am confused in a romance, I have fallen, perhaps, into self-seeking love. But God's love can transform us into loving the right way, including in romance and special friendships etc.

However, there are vessels "for dishonor" (Romans 9:21), for carrying Satan's filth of selfish love to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone. Don't be a sewer bucket!
---Bill_willa6989 on 5/13/11


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Christina, beautifully stated, Good to see you blogging again.
"God is love". 1Jo 4:8
"God is light", and in him is no darkness at all. 1Jo 1:5
"Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed." Jhn 3:20
"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also." Jhn 15:22,23
Not only is destroying the wicked loving, it is also merciful. They would rather not be in His presence, therefore "God is a consuming fire, The wicked are overthrown and [are] no more, But the house of the righteous will stand". Heb. 12:29>Pro 12:7
---Josef on 5/12/11


please read 1 corinthians chapter 13,paying close attention to the discription of love refered to as charity.
---tom2 on 5/12/11


God not only has love, He IS love. We have a measure of love but do not love perfectly (yet), tho we should be growing in love. So, no, our love is not the same, it is not yet full or perfect.
Although we may not understand, God destroying the wicked must show His love, since He cannot deny His very nature (love). I can understand that by destroying the wicked, He may be protecting those who are not wicked. there is much in scripture about cutting off the wicked, the unfruitful, there's much about leaven and destroying the whole batch...God knows those who will never repent and will only further harm others, so to get rid of them would be love. It's hard for us to see that since we do not see others as God see them
---Christina on 5/12/11


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