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Five Day Work Work Ungodly

If God worked 6 days and rested on the Sabbath, are we not in violation of God's law if we work a five day week (or less)? Are those who are scheduled for seven days disobeying God if they grumble about their boss working them on Sabbath?

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Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD, and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
-Jacob thy father?
---micha9344 on 5/22/11


This does not imply that his followers will be "keeping the sabbath" in the future, ---StrongAxe on 5/21/11
actually, it does imply that Jesus expected his followers to keep the sabath in the future. And when you read acts and revelation you see that his followers continue to keep the sabbath
---francis on 5/21/11


francis:

Under the Law of Moses, the penalties for violating the sabbath were very severe. When you are commanded to do something on pain of death (literally), it is a severe restiction, and NOT a picnic.

Also, I never said you should NOT rest on the sabbath. I just said that, under the new covenant, you are not REQUIRED to do so, and if you teach others that THEY are required to do so, you are putting a yoke around their neck that Jesus never intended.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/11


Axey: "The examples you quoted show that Jesus taught that the Sabbath was a gift God gives us, rather than a burden he imposes on us."

The Sabbath was never a burden. Quite the contrary - it is freedom from the rigors of the work week. Why do you work so hard against that which God provides for your own good?

Isa 58:13,14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable,... Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD ...
---jerry6593 on 5/21/11


francis:

This does not imply that his followers will be "keeping the sabbath" in the future, any more than it implies that they will "keep winter". It DOES imply that winter may be an obstacle, and the sabbath may be an obstacle.

The sabbath can be an obstacle to flight if one lives in a city that shuts down its transit infrastructure on the Sabbath - as Jerusalem does.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/11




GOD created the 7-day week time period after the 7-Day Week of Creation. GOD's perfect intention for mankind was to do all work within the first 6 days of the week (Sunday through Friday: Sundown to sundown), and then REST on the 7th day (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown). But, just as mankind has rebelled against GOD's Ways of living in every other area of life....so, too, has man rebelled against the weekly pattern of work and rest which GOD designed. It's not a sin to have more than one rest day during the week, BUT, one of the rest days must be the 7th day. It's GOD's design. The world does WhAtEvEr they want, but, GOD's people should go by GOD's Design of living.
---Gordon on 5/21/11


To answer that question, do we not need to look at the New Testament and see what OT laws are there and what are not?
---leej on 5/19/11

And if it cannot be found in the NT does that means that it is not a sin and now a practice allowed by God?

OK find this law in the NT
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto:
---Francis on 5/20/11


-StrongAxe: if in a given city, there are no means of transportation out during a time of trouble because those who live there do not drive on the sabbath many will die. It is for this very reason, that Jesus said: Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Because Jesus is talking about a time of trouble yet to come, and because Jesus does expect that in the future after his death that there will be both WINTER and SABBATHS, and a time of trouble he prays that they do not have to flee on sabbath or winter. The time of trouble is not yet come, yet as you can see Jesus clearly expected his followers to be keeping the sabbath even until the time of trouble.
---francis on 5/20/11


francis:

I was not talking about the personal scruple of choosing to ride a bus or not. I was talking about someone who did not feel bound by such scruples - who happens to live in a town where everybody ELSE feels so bound, so even though you WANT to take a bus, you CAN'T because they aren't running.

For example, there are many cities in the U.S. where buses either run on reduced schedules, or don't run at all.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/11


- where buses don't run on Saturdays, so if you have to get out of town fast (say, to avoid scud missiles like in 1991), you're out of luck.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/11

I happen to believe in you.
If you are permited to save the life of a sheep on the sabbath days, are you not also permitted from using a bus, no a coal burning train to save the life of humans?

Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

and that is why Jesus said:
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
---francis on 5/20/11




To answer that question, do we not need to look at the New Testament and see what OT laws are there and what are not?
---leej on 5/19/11

OK find this law in the NT
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.
---francis on 5/20/11


To answer that question, do we not need to look at the New Testament and see what OT laws are there and what are not?
---leej on 5/19/11

OK find this one in the NT
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
---francis on 5/20/11


What about the very verse in question, Colossians 2:16? It does not say "special sabbath" (which would already be encompassed under "holy day"). It just says "sabbath".
---StrongAxe on 5/19/11

I have answered this is great detail in a blog called colossians 2. With OT and NT references, witha list of every shadow and their fulfilment
---Francis on 5/20/11


francis:

The Jews had all manner of God's laws. They ought not to have needed to be taught any of it, yet they did.

Look at Christians today, who are supposed to have God's laws written on thier hearts. The oughtn't to need teaching either, but they do.

The examples you quoted show that Jesus taught that the Sabbath was a gift God gives us, rather than a burden he imposes on us.

And your last quote is also reading a lot between the lines. It could just as well apply to modern day Jerusalem - where buses don't run on Saturdays, so if you have to get out of town fast (say, to avoid scud missiles like in 1991), you're out of luck.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/11


---StrongAxe on 5/19/11
Are you kidding?
Do ou really think that the people in jesus days had a need to be taught to keep the law, especially the sabbath, or how to keep it better?

here are examples of jesus teaching on keeping the sabbath:
Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. ( teaching on ow to keep it better)

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: ( affirmation that MAN ( NOT JEWS) should keep the sabbath.

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: ( expectation that his followers would observe the sabbath long after his death.
---francis on 5/20/11


aka: There is a Commandment, written by Jesus, with His own finger, that commands (not suggests) that we work six days and rest the one and only holy seventh day. Jesus later confirmed the permanency of these Commandments when He stated that "not one jot or tittle" of them would change while heaven and earth remained. There is no scripture that negates this God-given Commandment, or relegates it to irrelevancy as a part of the Old Covenant.

When I became a Commandment-keeping Christian, I occasionally faced a choice as to whether to obey my boss or obey God. I obeyed God, and I was respected and my career soared because of it.
---jerry6593 on 5/20/11


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francis:

You said: Not one verse in the entire Bible list the weekly sabbath as a shadow.

What about the very verse in question, Colossians 2:16? It does not say "special sabbath" (which would already be encompassed under "holy day"). It just says "sabbath".

Jesus also said that the Sabbath was made for man, not the other way around (Mark 2:27).

It is strange that Jesus frequently taught keeping various principles (love God, love your neighbor, love your enemy, love one another, don't divorce, etc.) yet he never seemed to teach keeping the sabbath. I wonder why that is? I guess he didn't consider it to be imoprtant enough to mention even once.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/11


francis //There is a common missconception that the new Covenant does not include the laws of God as given in the Old covenant.

While that is true, what laws in the OT did God NOT WRITE on the hearts of believers? Bear in mind there are over 600+ laws in the Old Covenant.

To answer that question, do we not need to look at the New Testament and see what OT laws are there and what are not?
---leej on 5/19/11


And again, francis, using Isa 66:22,23 out of context and misinterpreting basic grammar and sentence structure.
---micha9344 on 5/19/11


Ex 19:5 ..then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people:
What is the difference?
---francis on 5/19/11

The same heritage people and a sign/mark. Concordance "peculiar". In King James time meant it "special".
Deut 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God,
Deut 26:18 the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people
Psalm 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, purify unto himself a peculiar people,
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,
---Trav on 5/19/11


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Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Colossians 2:17 Which are a SHADOWS OF THINGS TO COME, but the body is of Christ.

Not one verse in the entire Bible list the weekly sabbath as a shadow.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a SHADOWS OF GOOD THINGS TO COME,... sacrifices
Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the EXAMPLE AND SHADOW ...tabernacle:

It cannot be a SHADOW because it exists together with Jesus in the new earth:Isaiah 66:22-23

Yet everything in the earthly sanctuary in object and event (feast)is a shadow.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Christ our passover
---francis on 5/19/11


There is a common missconception that the new Covenant does not include the laws of God as given in the Old covenant.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put MY LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Also people fail to understand that the epistles written in the NT addresses only issues that arose in the churches. There never was an issue of eating unclean animals nor of keeping the sabbath in any of the NT churches. With the exceptionof revelation, the NT does not have " thus said the lord" statements. It has "IT IS WRITEN" references from OT.
---francis on 5/19/11


promise of new:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, After those days, saith the LORD, I will put MY LAW in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

and here is the old covenant:
Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people:
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.
Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

What is the difference?
---francis on 5/19/11


francis, still taking Isa 66:22-23 vout of context, I see...
---micha9344 on 5/18/11


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francis:

Why are you hurt? There are two different covenants:
1) The Old Covenant that was made to Israel (but also included, as I mentioned, and as you also pointed out, anyone who joined themselves with Israel)
2) A New Covenant under Christ.

The Old Covenant constantly stressed the important of the Sabbath and dietary laws. The New Covenant, does not.

Colossians 2:16 (see 16-17)
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

and Romans 14:5 (see 4-6)
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."
---StrongAxe on 5/18/11


Well, this is not rue.
forst of all, there was NO sin when God had finished creating, so no need to point to the cross. Gos pointed to the cross in genesis 3:15


---francis on 5/18/11

francis, do you not know Jesus Christ was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world to take away sin.

EVERYTHING from Genesis 1:1 to the very end of Revelation is about Jesus Christ, to those who look.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/11


He SANCTIFIED the 7th day. That my friends points to Jesus Christ and HIS FINISHED work upon the Cross.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/11

Well, this is not rue.
forst of all, there was NO sin when God had finished creating, so no need to point to the cross. Gos pointed to the cross in genesis 3:15

Second the sabbath does ONE thing: It points to God as creater which cannot be changed by the death of Jesus

Third: If it pointed to the finish work on the cross
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


Why have sabbath in new heavens and new earth.
---francis on 5/18/11


The New Testament, on the other hand, is a convenant with ANYONE who chooses to accept Christ. ---StrongAxe on 5/18/11

StrongAxe, I am suprIsed at that statement. I am actually literaly hurt.
Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the STRANGER, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, EVERY ONE that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
Isaiah 56:7 their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Hebrews 8:8 I will make a new covenant with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL and with the HOUSE OF JUDAH:
---francis on 5/18/11


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--God worked for six days and rested on the seventh. He did not take a personal day to do his own personal things and then rest.

---aka on 5/15/11

What is silly about this question is that God was NOT TIRED after creating the first 6 days. God resting from His work, means IT WAS COMPLETE, not that He was tired and needed rest.

He SANCTIFIED the 7th day. That my friends points to Jesus Christ and HIS FINISHED work upon the Cross.

Those who cannot SEE this truth will argue this SILLY question from here to hell!

WE enter into HIS REST...AKA Salvation! It's finished. We cannot WORK for our salvation, we REST in it!.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/11


//So how can you make such a comparison between the 6 day of creation, of which we can create nothing.//

if i did not know better, i would have thought you posted on the day that we create nothing.

I got the answer that I was seeking the day before.
---aka on 5/17/11


francis:

You are comparing apples and oranges.

The Old Testament deals with a COVENANT - i.e. a very specific contract between God and Israel. This includes anyone who is born into any of the Tribes of Israel, and anyone who chooses to attach himself to Israel by conversion to Judaism.

The New Testament, on the other hand, is a convenant with ANYONE who chooses to accept Christ. Of course, it is not binding on you if you choose to reject Christ, but that should (hopefully) be a minority on this blog.

When Paul sent letters to different groups, he was not making exclusive convenants with them. He was giving them teachings which addressed issues they had specifically, but are universally applicable.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/11


francis, Yes, let's do use Jesus as an example. How many days TODAY is Jesus WORKING out of a week? How many days is God working out of a week?

Well, God and Jesus have no beginning of days or end of days, are eternal beings and have no 365/24/7.

Since we His Church are seated with Christ in heavenly places in Christ, our ciitizenship being IN HEAVEN, where there is no sun or moon, I live in THAT time table, crucified to this world.

Therefore neither Christ or His Body are spiritually subjected to this world or it's timeclock.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/11


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Francis - your logis is FLAWED simply because you are unable to differeniate between the covenant ....br>---leej on 5/17/11

Appears your logic might be flawed .... you can't tolerate anyone who is concerned about breaking the laws of GOD.
Rather than give any Old Testament scripture witnesses, pointing to this doctrine you promote you throw stones.
If Fran is residing in the Old...show Fran the witness.... out of the Old.
It's not there in your words...ms professor logic or you'd used it already.

17 And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.
---Trav on 5/18/11


---kathr4453 on 5/17/11

To answer ALL your questions:
1: How many days did God work after: Jesus is God lets follow his example:
Luke 4:16 as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read

2: 3 jobs to make ends meet:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
---francis on 5/17/11


aka, God worked 6 days and rested on the 7th. After that, did God work a 5 or 6 day work week? NO!

So how can you make such a comparison between the 6 day of creation, of which we can create nothing.

I guess one can work over 40 hrs a week, if legally one is paid for the hours they work, whether 1 day or 7 consecutive.

How many days off do our soldiers get per week? Do they get the rest they need? Maybe if their not in combat. Can you imagine one saying on the combat field...Hay, it's my day off..catch ya later gator.

Some people hold 3 jobs just to make ends meet.

I bet many today would give anything just to have a job...even if it did require 7 days a week to take care of and feed their families.
---kathr4453 on 5/17/11


Francis - your logis is FLAWED simply because you are unable to differeniate between the covenant given ONLY to Israel and the covenant given to Israel that included all believers.

So if you believe you must observe all commands found in the Old Testament, then go build yourself a boat, sacrifice a goat on the altar, and do NOT light a fire to cook your food on the Jewish Sabbath.

Again, you need to listen to the words of Jesus -

Mt 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

You better repent before you approve Him otherwise He may not receive you. Your silly religion has you in legalistic bondage.
---leej on 5/17/11


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//I wonder does ANYTHING writen in the books of the OLD TESTEMENT apply to None jews/ none israelites?

How are we supposed to pick and choose which parts of the OT is for us and which ones are for the Jews? And if God asked me to build an ark I would (like he asked Noah personally).
How do you know salvation isn't just for Jews/non-israelites? Sounds like you are just making stuff up to cover up what the scripture really says. So God says it's OK to stone to death a Jew for working on the Sabboth?
---cjmybad on 5/17/11


As far as Friday evening to Sunday evening, i try to rest and do good as much as possible with what the Lord gave to me.
---aka on 5/16/11
I am sure you meant saturday evening. But if you want to extend good doing to sunday evening no issue.
When I have a day off from my work, I like to wash and wax my car, take my wife out to eat breakfast, and drive around town just to seewhat is new. I like to test drive at least two new cars. Last test drive VW GTI WOW talk about PLEASURE.
---francis on 5/17/11


---leej and stronaxe your logic is very flawed

If you follow your own logic, then few things in the bible would apply to you. because by your logic all commands and law in the OT was written to the Jews only, and by extension all epistles in the NT was writen to those who lived in that reqion only.
Epistle to the Romans
Epistle to the Corinthians
Epistle to the Galatians
Epistle to the Ephesians
Epistle to the Philippians
Epistle to the Colossians
Epistle to the Thessalonians
Epistle to Philemon
Epistle to Timothy
Epistle to Titus

Nothing in these should apply to you, because you do not live in these cities, and you are not these people
---francis on 5/17/11


leej:

To split hairs over nuances of spelling and grammar, one should use the original, not a translation.

The Hebrew word is "ta'avod" - second person masculine imperfect of "to work". It means "you shall work", "you will work", "you are going to work", or "you work!". It is normally future (or past after "and"), but can sometimes be a command. One must deduce which from context.

One cannot build a vital doctrine based on an ambiguous nuance of one word. All truth is established by 2-3 witnesses. Important doctrines are clear or mentioned multiple times. The Sabbath prohibitions are mentioned frequently - not so for working all 6 other days.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/11


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I wonder does ANYTHING writen in the books of the OLD TESTEMENT apply to None jews/ none israelites?
---francis on 5/16/11

The whole Bible is "Complete",House of Israel's experience and expectation.
He is the GOD of us all. Did nations flock to Israel when it was in it's finest hour? Was anyone blessed by association with Israel? Were Israels enemies destroyed? Some to never rise again?
Isaiah 56:5
Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
---Trav on 5/17/11


leej, Nice little treatise on English grammar (shall).
Are you suggesting that Hebrew written in 600 BCE follows the same grammatical rules as today's English?
---1st_cliff on 5/17/11


//I wonder does ANYTHING writen in the books of the OLD TESTEMENT apply to None jews/ none israelites?

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The verse states that scripture is 'profitable', it does NOT state that all commands given to Israel and individuals pertain to us, through such may be useful in our Christian walk.

For instance God commanded Noah to go build a boat but does that command also pertain to you?

Open you ears and eyes to Jesus!

Mt 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
---leej on 5/16/11


1 Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, These are the words which the LORD has commanded you to do: 2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
---cjmybad on 5/16/11


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Ex 34:21 Six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest. In plowing time

The word 'shall' is an imperative command.

1. future events: indicates that something will or ought to happen in the future
2. determination: used especially in formal speech and writing to indicate determination on the part of the speaker that something will happen or somebody will do something

3. rules and laws: indicating that something must happen or somebody is obliged to do something because of a rule or law

If 'shall' implies an imperative command to observe the Sabbath, then you have to allow for the same word to command that one work on other days.
---leej on 5/16/11


here is how soem have deceived themselve: They say the YOU in dueteromomy applies only to israel.

I wonder does ANYTHING writen in the books of the OLD TESTEMENT apply to None jews/ none israelites?
---francis on 5/16/11


THE PREPARATION DAY. ---francis on 5/15/11

that is all i wanted. my question had no agenda. it was an honest question and this was a good answer. sixth day - a day of preparation.

"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" --- makes even more sense now.

karenD, Sabbath has always been settled for me. if i do good on Sabbath and "eat the show bread", i am not condemned. (shhhhh...don't tell anyone, they will only argue...the showbread is another shadow of things to come.)

As far as Friday evening to Sunday evening, i try to rest and do good as much as possible with what the Lord gave to me.
---aka on 5/16/11


francis //Keep fooling yourselves if you want or fear God and worship him. Your choice.

While I do indeed fear God and worship Him, I am not that kind of fool that would believe what God says to Israel must also pertain to the church.

God told Noah to go build a boat. So since God spoke, should you not go build yourself a boat?

And glad you agree that ever Adventists does not observe the Jewish Sabbaht since they all light fires on the Sabbath to cook their foods,
---leej on 5/16/11


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That is is NOT a command to work six days on pain of death (The Bible NEVER mentions penalties for working LESS than six). Rather,
---StrongAxe on 5/16/11
Who said it did?
---francis on 5/16/11


Just keep fooling yourselves,
Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, EVERY ONE that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
---francis on 5/16/11


francis:

That is is NOT a command to work six days on pain of death (The Bible NEVER mentions penalties for working LESS than six). Rather, it is in contrast to the very next verse.

Proverbs 23:13
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."

Likewise, this is not a promise of immortality, but contrasts to death that would otherwise occur.
(Also Genesis 42:2,20, 43:8, 47:19, Exodus 23:35, 30:20-21, Leviticus 8:35, 10:6-9, 15:31, 16:2,13, Numbers 4:19, 17:10, 26:11, Deutronomy 18:16, 33:6, Judges 6:23, 1 Samual 5:12, 14:45, 20:2,14, 2 Samuel 12:13, 19:23, 2 Kings 18:32, Jeremiah 38:24, Ezekiel 18:21,28, Habakkuk 1:12)
---StrongAxe on 5/16/11


No. It doesn't matter how many days you work as long as you reserve a day to rest and worship God. And,surely a day working at home also counts as a day of work.

Farmers and other self-employed persons work to get the job done,no matter how many hours or what days. Like everyone, they need to reserve time for God. Hopefully they can make this the Sabbath.
I worked many Sundays as a nurse...people get sick 7 days a week. Jesus spoke of rescuing animals on the Sabbath. (people in the medical field who complain about not getting certain days off are NOT respected...and may not find employment)
---Donna66 on 5/15/11


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---StrongAxe LEEJ

Keep fooling yourselves if you want or fear God and worship him. Your choice



Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---francis on 5/16/11


Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."

God rested on the 7th day indicating that He stopped in the creation of the world, however, He continued to work in the lives of His creation and will continue to do so.

While in principle we benefit from a day of ceasing to work, unless one stays in bed all day long, one does work of some sort. The old Jews had minute rules as to what you could or could not do on the Sabbath - something we would also find if we felt that the Sabbath had to be observed. We can thank God that Adventists do not control the Church.
---leej on 5/15/11


francis:

Employers must respect their employees' beliefs, and make REASONABLE accomodations for them. For example, it would be reasonable to adjust duties so a Muslim clerk can avoid handling pork and alcohol, and let others do so instead. But if there aren't enough people to do so, it is NOT reasonable to force the employer to hire another employee just for that purpose. Similarly, employers must make REASONABLE accomodations for employees with disablities, but they are not required to make unreasonable ones. Hiring a deaf person to do only email customer support is reasonable, hiring one to do voice customer support is not.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/11


Different jobs have different work requirements. Agriculture needs much work in planting and harvesting, but little inbetween. Some jobs work 40 hours spread out over 5 8-hour days. Some have 4 10-hour days. People who work in northern Alaska who often alternate two 80-hour weeks followed by two weeks off - this allows the companies to use the same very expensive infrastructure for twice as many workers.

The Bible constantly makes reference to the Sabbath, and the consequences of breaking it. But it does not make any such dire warnings about NOT working each of the other 6 every single week. God worked on the first 6 days, and took one day off. It makes no mention of how many of the subsequent 300 thousand or more days he has worked.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/11


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I missed that part about working on my car on the sabbath day.
What chapter is that in again?
---micha9344 on 5/14/11
Isaiah 58:13



francis:

You are required to keep laws required by your beliefs, but your employer is not. ---StrongAxe on 5/14/11
Part of what you say is true, part is not. I cannot seek a job with a sausage making company and then complaint that i cannot handle pork.
However, in USA employees MUST respect the religious freedom of the employees and CANNOT discriminate on hiring based on religious preferences.
Every US employee is allowed to have his religious holydays off.
---francis on 5/15/11


God worked for six days and rested on the seventh. He did not take a personal day to do his own personal things and then rest.
---aka on 5/15/11

OK. Then let us consider all that the bible has to say on the issue.
When the bible talk about " WORK" it says ALL THY WORK, that includes your Job as well as your house hold chores. So for those who keep the sabbath, friday, the 6th day is a called THE PREPARATION DAY. It is the day in which they do work, not related to their jobs to prepare for the sabbath.

see also Nehemiah 10:31 and Isaiah 58:13
---francis on 5/15/11


//silly question...just to get an argument going over the "sabbath" and nothing more.//

it is actually the opposite. not a question about the sabbath. it is one about the other six days. God worked for six days and rested on the seventh. He did not take a personal day to do his own personal things and then rest.

it is too hard to ask a question in manner you mean. I did mis-word the second question, but it is not that important.

of all the questions posted on this site, and this one is singled out as silly and foolish.

but, now it makes me wonder...aren't those who post to questions that they deem silly and foolish being a little silly and foolish themselves. come on 6 blogs out of 18 posted?
---aka on 5/15/11


I missed that part about working on my car on the sabbath day.
What chapter is that in again?
---micha9344 on 5/14/11


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francis:

You are required to keep laws required by your beliefs, but your employer is not. You have no "right" to complain if your employer does not accomodate your beliefs. If your beliefs are incompatible with your job requirements, it is up to you to seek employment elsewhere.

Examples in the news in recent years - Muslims working checkout counters at grocery stores selling alcohol and pork products refused to ring those up. It is their right to refuse to touch such items, but if their job requires it, they can't do their jobs, and should go elsewhere. They can't force the store to stop selling pork. Similarly, Muslim taxi drivers refusing blind passengers with seeing eye dogs, as they consider dogs unclean.
---StrongAxe on 5/14/11


what about those people who work at SDA orginizations, and are required to work on the SDA Sabbath?
---Rob on 5/14/11

You mean like doctors and nurses, and people who work in hospitals and nursing homes?
---Francis on 5/14/11


Francis, what about those people who work at SDA orginizations, and are required to work on the SDA Sabbath?
---Rob on 5/14/11


Gods Laws were made for man not the other way around

people working long hours and days are extremely prideful stressed out ...they live in pride boasting of all the wonderful things they do and how important they and their work are ...they are short-tempered haughty and irritable - WORKING long hours and days on end will do that to you ...first purpose of slave labor is to create ANGRY HOSTILE people ...everyone I know who works long hours has extremely short fuses ...just go to any hospital and see their staff!!

second purpose of slaving away employees is to WEAKEN their minds and bodies ...yet man always knows what's right "thinking" they are right to do as they please disobeying in the name of "work"
---Rhonda on 5/14/11


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Are those who are scheduled for seven days disobeying God if they grumble about their boss working them on Sabbath?
---aka on 5/12/11

YES THEY ARE DISOBEYNG GOD IF THEY GRUMBLE.

they should shout out LOUD:

And make it clear to their boss that they are children of God the creator of Heaven and Earth, and God requies that they Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded.
and then: invite their boss to share in the joy of the sabbath by going to church the NEXT sabbath with them

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
---francis on 5/14/11


Mark_Eaton let us agree that this is a silly question, and that this question is only about what day is the sabbath or whether christians should keep the sabbath. This is why this question is foolish:
If i work at my JOB 5 days, I can work on my car or around the house, or run errands on the 6th day, things which I should not do on the sabbath.

Also there is nothing in the bible that prevents me from taking a day or week or a month off when I am tired.
See foolish question
---francis on 5/13/11


Are those who are scheduled for seven days disobeying God if they grumble about their boss working them on Sabbath

It is up to each and everyone of us to choose our boss/ God.
If My boss told me i would have to work 7 days per week( Unless my Job involved direct help to those who need it) I would have to say NO.
because:

Exodus 20:1 God spake all these words, saying,

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
---francis on 5/13/11


What a silly question!!! What about retired people who don't work? Are they out of God's will? What about people who can't work? This question is just to get an argument going over the "sabbath" and nothing more.
---KarenD on 5/13/11


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Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the SIX WORKING DAYS, but on the SABBATH it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

If there was no specific day which is the sabbath, how would they know on which day to open the gate?

---NurseRobert God is not displeased with you for working on sundays. Nor is he displeased with you for helping the sick on the sabbath.
Luke 6:9 I will ask you one thing, Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
---francis on 5/13/11


I have some family members who are very strict and you CANNOT work on a Sunday. Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. They don't kill anyone thankfully but they adhear to that scripture faithfully.
---cjmybad on 5/13/11


Dear Aka:

I understand your question and my answer is two-fold like your question.

To the five workdays a week portion, my answer is yes, you may be in disobedience but not for the reasons Francis would say. I would say that if you have a free day that the Lord has blessed you with and you are not helping other people during it, then you are in disobedience to God.

To the seven workdays portion, I would say that I have never heard of anyone working every day without rest. You will die doing such a thing. But if you are working seven days, then you are in disobedience. Additionally, if your regular work day is scheduled for the Sabbath, then you need a new job or a different Sabbath because you are in disobedience.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/13/11


Let me save you guys a LOT of time:

Those who have choosen not to keep the sabbath will make 42 non-biblical / non-scriptural/ none doctrinal and out of context excuses for thier disobedience of the ten commandments.

Those who choose to obey the tencommandments will give 33 biblical reference from the scriptures scriptures for obeying the law of God.

Same question different form.
---francis on 5/13/11


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Well, lets see. As a nurse (and a teacher), I sometimes work 10 12 days straight. (rotating shifts do that to you).

Even when I worked a M-F job, I still had work around the house that needed to be done on the "sixth" day.

Each and every day, I worship the Lord, and I don't think God is displeased with me if I work on a Sunday..
---NurseRobert on 5/13/11


"If God worked 6 days... are we not in violation of God's law if we work a five day week (or less)?" No.
A six day work week is not a mandate. Resting one day in seven is, for our sake, not His.
"Are those who are scheduled for seven days disobeying God if they grumble about their boss working them on Sabbath?"
Yes. Father's children are instructed to "Do everything without complaining and arguing, so that no one can criticize you. Live clean, innocent lives as children of God, shining like bright lights in a world full of crooked and perverse people." Phi. 2:14,15 (NLT)
"The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath." Mar 2:27 (NLT)
---joseph on 5/13/11


Well, if God worked six days and we are expected to follow God's example, I suppose ones could say this means we are
commanded by His example (c: to work six days per week, like He did!

Visiting and helping older people can be like the work that social workers are payed to do. Writing God's message of love on the Net is work, though not for pay > there is work of typing, and computer operation like payed people do. So, there is work not done for pay. God's loving work is not for sale. "Freely you have received, freely give." (in Matthew 10:8) (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 5/13/11


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