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Rapture Did Not Happen

The prediction of the Rapture happening on Saturday, May 21, 2011 didn't come true. I'm still here! This prediction was made by a popular Pastor. I've heard many Pastors/Teachers speak on things that didn't come true. How can a person discern whether, or not, something is true?

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//you think Jesus wasn't speaking to believers?//
//He said THEN WE//
when Paul said "we" he refers to believers
//why did Paul quote Jesus concerning His body and blood?//
Paul preached Christ crucified not His earthly ministry(Rom 15:8, 2Cor 5:16, Heb. 6:1)
//Jesus wasn't speaking to the "church" there, either. It was before He died, before Pentecost, before Paul became a believer, before Stephen was martyred, etc// (Before salvation was available to Gentiles)
you are right
Eph. 2:2 Wherein in time past...
Eph.2:13 But now...
Where would you put yourself?

Christ is risen, not on the Cross
---michael_e on 5/31/11


No Lee actually Seventh Day Adventist says we were wrong and JESUS did not come. We admitted that we had been mistaken about what was going to happen.

Latter we came to the understanding that the date was important but we had been saying the wrong thing.

We also never have supprted a date for the Second Coming since.
---Samuel on 5/30/11


michael e,

you think Jesus wasn't speaking to believers?

That's my whole point. Any verse that seems to contradict you doctrine is relegated by you as speaking to someone in a different dispensation.

That's a cheap way of admitting that you don't study.

If nothing that Jesus said pertains to the "church age" as hyper-dispensationalists like to say, then why did Paul quote Jesus concerning His body and blood?

Jesus wasn't speaking to the "church" there, either. It was before He died, before Pentecost, before Paul became a believer, before Stephen was martyred, etc

Why would Paul find relevance there since Jesus wasn't speaking to the "church"?
---James_L on 5/30/11


//And Paul was speaking to who?//
Believers, Jew and gentile
//He said THEN WE//
meaning believers
Eph. 2:2 Wherein in time past...
Eph.2:13 But now...
Where would you put yourself?
---michael_e on 5/30/11


"Judgment Day on May 21 did come, said Camping. However, he clarified that the Judgment Day arrived in a spiritual sense rather than manifesting physically."

"On May 21, this last weekend, this is where the spiritual aspect of it really comes through. God again brought judgment on the world. We didnt see any difference but God brought Judgment Day to bear upon the whole world. The whole world is under Judgment Day and it will continue right up until Oct. 21, 2011 and by that time the whole world will be destroyed," he proclaimed.

The guy knows how to wiggle out of his obvious mistakes and leave people believing that the rapture did occur.

Adventists did much the same thing back in 1844.
---leej on 5/29/11




Where in the Bible does it directly say the Church will go through the tribulation?
-michael_e

RIGHT HERE!!!

But immediately "AFTER THE TRIBULATION" of those days the Sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

And "THEN" the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and "THEN" all the tribes of the earth will mourn, "AND" they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. "AND" He will send forth His angels with a Great Trumpet and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF THE SKY TO THE OTHER!
---John on 5/29/11


\\Matt 24 Jesus speaking privately to His disciples under law.\\
---michael_e on 5/27/11

And Paul was speaking to who?

1Thess 1:1
To The Church Of The Thessalonians

By your own standard of sectioning off every scripture by who the initial audience was, Paul was not speaking to you.

He said THEN WE, meaning only those in his generation.

Well, at least by your standard.

According to your logic, None Of The Bible Is For You, since you were not there when any of it was spoken or written
---James_L on 5/29/11


//Are you saying the Gospels are not for Christians to read and learn from?//
No. Rom 15:4

Acts 3:21 "..spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."
//Matthew 24 angels are sent//

Rom 16:25.."revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"
1Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven..
Something spoken and something kept secret are not the same.

Christ is risen, not on the Cross
---michael_e on 5/29/11


Dear michael_e

Are you saying the Gospels are not for Christians to read and learn from?

In Matthew 24 angels are sent to gather the righteous when the son of man appears in the sky. 30,31. Both passages have JESUS in the sky. Both have the gathering of the saints.

On what basis do you say they are two different events?
---Samuel on 5/29/11


//The same place Matt. 24 is. They are the same event.//
Where do you find "meeting the Lord in the air" in Matt 24 Jesus speaking privately to His disciples under law.
Matt 24 sounds like 50% salvation, 2 grinding 1 taken 2 in the field 1 taken.

2 Tim 2:15
---michael_e on 5/27/11




\\Metaphorically speaking, could we perhaps already be somewhere between year zero and seven?
---aka on 5/27/11\\

Could be--as between the year 1 and the year 1000 of the Millennium, that is, the symbolic "thousand years" between Christ's first and second coming.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/11


Larry:

Being prepared is a good idea, whether for tribulations of biblical proportions, or for lesser, more mundane disasters like tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, wildfires, power outages, oil shortages, blizzards, economic recessions, civil unrest, and many other lesser problems that can still interfere with the infrastructures vital to our comfort zones.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/11


Samuel as I have asked before and no one will/ever has answered me, if what you say is true (and it isn't) where/when does the Bema Judgment take place?
You have got to reject a lot of Scripture to reject a great catching away.
---Elder

I believe and we teach the Bema judgement is going on right now.

As Cluny, Ignatius and Rhonda and others have said we do not have to reject any scripture. We simply do not use dispesationlist glasses and Futurist tinting to come up with what we believe.

John Darby invented dispensationlism and Futurism came from the Jesuits.

We simply accepth the Second coming is the rapture. After all it is the second time Christ comes.
---Samuel on 5/27/11


Where in prophecy is 1 Thess.4:17 found?

Christ is rise, not on the Cross michael_e

The same place Matt. 24 is. They are the same event. With more details in Matt. 25. Paul in 2 thess writes the revealing of the antichrist and the falling away happen before the raptrue/Second Coming
---Samuel on 5/27/11


//then all you'd have to do is count seven years after it to know when Christ would physically return//

I am not a proponent of the 1st second coming, but...is the seven year period of great tribulation the only literal words in Rev?

i do not anticipate seeing lots of people having relations with one super-tramp named Jezebel, I probably will not see four different color horses, i probably will not see a dragon trying to gobble up a baby. (in fact, approximately 2000 years ago, a 'dragon' did try to swallow up baby Immanuel.)

using cluny's good logic, if we saw any of this stuff literally, how are so many deceived?

Metaphorically speaking, could we perhaps already be somewhere between year zero and seven?
---aka on 5/27/11


Look at it this way.

If there WERE a secret pre-trib rapture, then all you'd have to do is count seven years after it to know when Christ would physically return. The same principle applies to those who look for MID-trib.

But this would make a mockery of Christ's words, "NO one knows the day or the hour."

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 5/27/11


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Cluny and Trav are spot on, meanwhile Harold Camping is now looking toward October 21st. He garners much more attention than warranted because media embraces the aberration. Camping is perfect for the bright lights and cynicism of TV. Sadly, lives were ruined as those seeking meaning in this mess of a world quit jobs and forfeited pensions.
Jim Bakker and others do this more subtly by selling powdered foods and other nonsense as if salvation in the day of terror can be found in a bunker. There will be no escape for the pagans seeking safety in that day and Christians are already secure, so what gives?
Anyway I tried to follow Camping's math but he totally ignores Matthew 24, the rise of the anti-Christ, the Temple, etc.
---Larry on 5/27/11


"You have got to reject a lot of Scripture"

Not at all Elder. We know Scriptures teach the Second Coming of Christ (The Parousia) and the catching away of Christians that will occur after the Parousia.

However, in order to believe your fable of a Church Rapture before the Parousia, one will have to do twist Scriptures, rely on extra biblical/ anti-biblical sources/demonic visions, and add to God's word.

Sorry Elder, but we Christians follow the doctrines received by the Apostles, and preserved by their successors and the early Saints. We do not follow doctrines started by men in the 18th century.

You could believe the Devil, if you want. I will follow God's word.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 5/27/11


Pre-trib opponents say,
Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say that the Church will be raptured before the tribulation
Where in the Bible does it directly say the Church will go through the tribulation?

Where in prophecy is 1 Thess.4:17 found?

Christ is rise, not on the Cross
---michael_e on 5/27/11


You have got to reject a lot of Scripture to reject a great catching away.
****

not at all

you have to IMPLY a lot of LIES and twist and pervert Holy Scripture to MAKE the antichrist rapture theory true ..Truth is nothing in Holy Scripture supports this theory

The TRUTH from Holy Scripture is there will be a resurrection of ALL in Christ AT Christs RETURN

antichrist rapture theory does not understand this mystery 1Corin 15 and REJECTS the POWER of the resurrection and DENIES the resurrection by promoting the rapture LIE

there will be others using the rapture deception Camping isn't the only one who will be laughing at how many he duped
---Rhonda on 5/26/11


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\\//You have got to reject a lot of Scripture to reject a great catching away.
---Elder on 5/26/11//
Amen elder\\

Oh, I'm not rejecting it.

I'm just agreeing with the Bible to say it happens AFTER the Tribulation.

You are the ones who have to reject a big part of the Bible to say that it happens BEFORE.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/11


\\Samuel as I have asked before and no one will/ever has answered me, if what you say is true (and it isn't)\\

It is.

\\ where/when does the Bema Judgment take place?\\

At the Last Judgement immediately after the Second Coming.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/11


//You have got to reject a lot of Scripture to reject a great catching away.
---Elder on 5/26/11//
Amen elder

Christ is risen, not on the Cross.
---michael_e on 5/26/11


\\Whey did they not change except to get smaller?\\

Isn't that in itself an adaptation passed on genetically by natural selection as a result of changes in the environment--that is evolution?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/11


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anyone can be deceived those who pray to be counted worthy and hold fast to Gods Truth will escape to be protected ...nothing in Holy Scripture implies or alludes to mans concoction of a "rapture" ...as we near end of this age more false prophets will be tempting people ...their charismatic personalities and LIES will deceive MANY

Christ said MANY would be deceived

anti christ rapture theory is one of those deceptions ...many more false prophets will PREY on those who have been duped with this lie 2Corin 11:4, 13-15
---Rhonda on 5/26/11


True it might be reproduced in a lab someday. According to Discover magazine millions of dollars and hundreds of Universities all over the world have been trying for almost 20 years to get it to happen. So far they have all failed.

Yet after life starts how does single celled animals decide or come to be multicelluar.

An exmple of one precursor that has been proposed is the sponge. Yet we have millions of sponges that are supposidliy older then dinosaurs with no changes. We have insects that used to be much bigger but still exist. Whey did they not change except to get smaller?
---Samuel on 5/26/11


Samuel as I have asked before and no one will/ever has answered me, if what you say is true (and it isn't) where/when does the Bema Judgment take place?
You have got to reject a lot of Scripture to reject a great catching away.
---Elder on 5/26/11


We won't spare the rod...---Trav
Because you are so prideful to think you are right to abuse those you disagree with?
---atheist on 5/24/11

You come at us Goliath. Truth is not pride. You misinterpret confidence/ease and willingness to share in something provable.
You are not an icon of hard headed. Was fourty before learning of the "Two Witnesses" GOD provides in his scriptures.
It still took some years research.
Not looking. Not asking GOD because you are too afraid....you'll never experience. So be it. Your choice.
Come at our GOD....get bread or a pebble between the peepers.
---Trav on 5/26/11


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Samuel,

Certainly. But we should not be surprise to find some disagreement ahead. But certainly.
---atheist on 5/25/11


\\But the fact that it cannot be reproduced in a lab and we do not know how it works makes it unlikely to happen. \\

That doesn't mean it won't happen.

However, as I've said elsewhere, I have no objection to the proposition that God acts through natural processes that He Himself set up.

And remember, Romans 1 says that it's possible to come to the conclusion that there is SOME kind of god by observing creation, and without the Bible.

However, we do need revelation to know just WHAT kind of God He is.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/11


Samuel,

I believe the methods of science will help us one day better understand how "life" started.
That I do not know things is not proof that there is a god that does know or that genesis stories from one culture or another is therefore necessarily true.
---atheist

I agree it is not proof. But the fact that it cannot be reproduced in a lab and we do not know how it works makes it unlikely to happen.

I believe in GOD because I find the Bible to be a book that could not have been written by ordinary men and that other explainations for life are impossible. But I cannot answer all questions either.
---Samuel on 5/25/11


My personal objection to the existence of god, is that there is no evidence of god.

My objection to others' belief is that believer can say or do some really dumb or terrible things and do them in the name of god, absolving themselves of personal responsibility. "God" should not be used as an excuse or reason to do bad things. atheist

I agree with your first paragraph and I also do not believe GOD can be used as an excuse for being or doing stupid things. That is a cop out. We are responsible for our actions.

I will share some of my reasonf for believeing in GOD. If you would like to hear them?
---Samuel on 5/25/11


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\\The secret pretrib rapture is based on specualtion on the church needing to away from the earth to avoid the wrath. When in fact that is not necessary.\\

As I've said, is it the worst fate to die as a martyr for Jesus during the tribulation?

Remember, His Resurrection proves that death is not fatal.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/11


Samuel,

I believe the methods of science will help us one day better understand how "life" started. I do not believe there is an understanding of that today and I am comfortable saying that there are things that I just do not know.

That I do not know things is not proof that there is a god that does know or that genesis stories from one culture or another is therefore necessarily true.
---atheist on 5/25/11


Dear Atheist

I would guess you believe in natural evolution. So do you believe that nonliving material sponateousily generated into living cells or viruses?

To me that is impossible.

What do you believe about the bible and why?
---Samuel on 5/25/11


Dear Elder

The rapture is the Second Coming of JESUS. There is no secret catching away of the church described in the Bible. There is the Second Coming where we meet JESUS in the air. This is described in Matthew 24 and 1st Thess.

The secret pretrib rapture is based on specualtion on the church needing to away from the earth to avoid the wrath. When in fact that is not necessary.
---Samuel on 5/25/11


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The word rapture may not be it the bible but Paul teaches in 1st Thessalonians 4,16-17 about the rapture however he dose not use the word rapture he is still explaining how the saints will be caught up into the air with the dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the air. It is important to note this is before the second coming of Jesus because that dose not take place until after the 7 year tribulation when He comes back to the mount of olives and the great earth quake takes place and He destrorys the enemies of God. short version.
---Gerald_Kimble on 5/25/11


"I have never found teaching of the rapture or so much as the word rapture in my bible."
walter8787
Ugh... I have never so much as found the word Bible in my Bible. Does that mean there is no such thing as a Bible? I don't see social security numbers, automobiles or air planes/helicopters there either. But.... you know what? I see the examples of all of these in the Bible.
**atheist said,
"I do not believe in little grey men."
Oh, really? What color are they then?
---Elder on 5/25/11


//Maybe they looked at their Bibles for the first time in a long time, possibly even prayed. They were not surprised when the 21st came and went, but their attention was turned toward eternity, no matter how briefly.
---Donna66 on 5/24/11//

right donna, church attendance went up "briefly" after 9/11.
---michael_e on 5/25/11


Now how quickly would you be to cast aside your belief in those little "grey" men...---Jasheradan on 5/24/11

I was being facetious. I do not believe in little grey men.
---atheist on 5/24/11


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Now how quickly would you be to cast aside your belief in those little "grey" men if you knew when they returned to earth they were bringing judgement upon mankind with them?

The love of sin is what hardens a man's heart to the truth of God. Its not Gods wrath.

God is willing to forgive all things and wipe away your past if you are willing to allow him to change you.
---Jasheradan on 5/24/11


yes I agree completely!...
Believing in god is just like

"... believing in millions of little green men that we've never seen that come from other planets which we've never discovered."

Personally, I think they are grey, and not so many...
---atheist on 5/24/11


A lot of people didn't really believe the Pastor's prediction, but it got their attention. Though 99% sure nothing was going to happen on the 21st, maybe some couldn't help thinking...."what if..."
Maybe they looked at their Bibles for the first time in a long time, possibly even prayed. They were not surprised when the 21st came and went, but their attention was turned toward eternity, no matter how briefly.
---Donna66 on 5/24/11


Christina - To answer your question on "Does it draw people to God or away from God?" - Let me put it this way, just as this "Pastor" predicted May 21st 2011 would be the rapture, and it never happened. There were alot of people who quit their jobs, sold their possessions, and spent up all their life savings, thinking it would come to pass, and did not. Now those people are probably shaking their fists at God, and mad at God. Therefore it drew people away from God, so that is a sign it was a FALSE prophecy. Hope this helps clearify that one.
---Leslie on 5/24/11


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God has taught me to live each day as if it is my last one on this earth so I am ready to go, when the Rapture of the church of Jesus Christ occurs...but...
only God knows the time, as His Word teaches.
---ann9843 on 5/24/11


\\I have never found teaching of the rapture or so much as the word rapture in my bible. How a out you?
---walter8787 on 5/24/11
\\

Our being gathered to meet Christ when He returns IS in the Bible, but this is simultaneously when He returns as Judge at the End of the World.

It is not something that happens 7 years--or 1007 years--before this.

It's all one event.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/11


One way to know whether something is true is to see what the Bible has to say on the subject.
---Pierre on 5/23/11


I have never found teaching of the rapture or so much as the word rapture in my bible. How a out you?
---walter8787 on 5/24/11


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//"Some beliefs are just nuttier than others.
---atheist on 5/23/11
"//

Indeed! Like believing in millions of little green men that we've never seen that come from other planets which we've never discovered

But yet one God is just too... unbelievable..

Jesus could walk the earth in our time and do the same miracles he performed 2000 years ago and some people would still not believe. Its all about the heart. Not what the eyes see or the ears hear. If the heart isnt ready to accept something as fact then you can look at evidence all day long and it will just make you more and more stubborn (like Pharoah)
---Jasheradan on 5/24/11


By using the discernment. The word which he gave us is that he promises to come back soon, and that we are to be ready always and at all times for his appearing. Jesus says that God will avenge us speedily, and he asks, Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth? will you be doing his will, or no? will you be with Christ, or with sin?
---Eloy on 5/24/11


Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
Phi 1:15-18 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife, and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention...But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
---micha9344 on 5/24/11


Even tho it didn't happen on May 21 - 11. The life & world for some did end.
---Lawrence on 5/24/11


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Leslie, I think yours is a good, well thought out answer. I have to wonder about 1 thing however, and that is (6) Does it turn people toward God or away from Him? It would be my hope that any word from God would turn people towards Him, but people have free wills and choose to ignore His words- the Word. OT prophets speaking what God told them were sometimes ignored, but thankfully some were repentant. So maybe phrasing #6 a bit different, like can it draw people to Him????
---Christina on 5/23/11


Argument from ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam, or appeal to ignorance, is an informal logical fallacy. A proposition is necessarily true because it has not been proven false.

Not falling for such arguments is a religion?


"You don't actually think you know how to interpret scripture, do you, Robyn?"

Are you saying that Robyn is especially incompetent at interpretation or that interpretation is just impossible for anyone, leaving god as an impossibly incompetent communicator?

Foolish me for asking the question....
---atheist on 5/23/11


The best and perhaps the only way to find out what a person states is true to false is to check it out with the Scripture. If there is a difference, than disregard what the person says and believe what the The Bible clearly states. In this case that no person knows when Christ will return, not even Christ, Himself.

Mark 13:32-33 (KJV)
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
---wivv on 5/23/11


\\Believing in things that are believed in only because of faith is what the religious do. Some beliefs are just nuttier than others.
---atheist on 5/23/11
\\

If that is so, than atheism is a religion, because it too is based on faith--that is in something that cannot be proven empirically (in this case, it's faith in the non-existence of any deity).

And according to the Psalms, it's a pretty nutty one. (The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God....")

** If you do this and know how to interpret scripture,you will not be deceived.**

You don't actually think you know how to interpret scripture, do you, Robyn?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


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There are going to BE false prophets pls. read your BIBLE remeber they are hear to deceive us. But GOD WORD IS TRUE AND WILL STAND. READ 2 TIM 3:13
---eve on 5/23/11


Sag: First you need to be saved and believe every word God says in the bible. If you do this and know how to interpret scripture,you will not be deceived.God's Word is true and every man a liar.It clearly states in the bible,especially in the New Testament that no man knows the day or the hour that Christ will return. Begin reading your bible today and you won't fall for such whitewash.
---Robyn on 5/23/11


It's just stupid to listen to them?
When the Lord give you a very clear parable?
Mat 21:33 Hear another parable:

Look at Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son...
What get me is "last of all!"
Mat 21:39 -- and slew him.

Here! He clearly said "don't listen to them!"
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not

Man because your falling for this, now! What are you going to do, when you start seeing great signs and wonders with these guy?
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders,

Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
---TheSeg on 5/23/11


Camping is a religious nutjob.

Or maybe just religious.

Believing in things that are believed in only because of faith is what the religious do. Some beliefs are just nuttier than others.
---atheist on 5/23/11


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How to decern TRUE prophecy: (1) Does it edify, exhort, console?, (2) Is it in agreement with God's Word (Bible)?, (3) Does it exalt Jesus Christ?, (4) Does it have good fruit?, (5) If it predicts a future event, does it come to pass?, (6) Does it turn people toward God or away from Him?, (7) Does it produce liberty or bondage?, (8) Does it produce life or death?, (9) Does the Holy Spirit bear witness that it is true? Remember the Holy Spirit ALWAYS lines up with God's Word (Bible).
---Leslie on 5/23/11


//How can a person discern whether something a pastor/teacher says is true?
Read the Bible yourself.//

Amen, 2Tim 2:15

Christ is risen, not on the Cross
---michael_e on 5/23/11


Yes William Miller admited his error and we have stated we will never make that mistake again.

But I still feel sorry for those who believed Camping. I was also kinda of wishing I was wrong and we could go home.

We must go to scripture. We cannot ignore the point that JESUS says no one knows the day or the hour.
---Samuel on 5/23/11


\\Totally destroyed Mr. camping's credibility.\\

I hope you've not been taking him seriously about anything, mima.

The minute Camping first set a date (last time it was 1994), he lost all credibility.

Are you just now noticing, mima?

Jesus Himself said, "The Kingdom of God does NOT come by looking for it or date setting. Neither should you say, "Look over here!" or "Look over there"" (My paraphrase.)

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


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Did the rapture happen? Well if it did obviously you and I missed it. This one verse Mark 13:32," But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only." Totally destroyed Mr. camping's credibility.
The discerning of the truth is a subject of many of my prayers to the Lord. The Lord has given me the ability to read but I'm concerned that my humanness interpretations will get in the way of truth.
---mima on 5/23/11


I just read that Camping is "flabbergasted" over what didn't happen and is "praying" for the right answer.

The obviously right answer is to say, "I was wrong, and I repent." But I'll bet you instead he will back pedal like he did in 1994, when he said that Christ DID return after all, but mystically and took the Holy Spirit back to heaven with Him.

At least William Miller admitted his error.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


First off, Harold Camping is not a pastor, because he was never ordained by any church. At this point, it looks like he will never be.

And some here have also followed his error saying that the "church age" ended in 1988, or was it 1994?

Camping also claimed that there would be a major 10 earthquake start at New Zealand at 6 pm local time 21 May and roll all across the globe. In case you didn't notice, it was a day of normal seismic activity.

Camping is obviously a false prophet.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


Donna66 you are so right. God's Word is very clear about it,no one knows but God when the World will end. I cannot believe how foolish those preachers who predict the end are,they do nothing but show their ignorance of the Bible. They need to learn God's Word before they try to be preachers.
---Darlene_1 on 5/23/11


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My days of trusting those guys ended when I lost my job back then. What? I was lead to believe that giving money means NEVER being: Unemployed, Sick, Depressed, etc.

An embarrassing Word Of Faith deception?
---Sag on 5/23/11

We've all been fooled to some degree, in some area.
Go help a sheep. They are their being fleeced and eaten every day around the clock.
2 Corinthians 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
---Trav on 5/23/11


Sadly, I was once one of those folks who could easily be: Deceived, Suckered, Mis-Led, etc. by whomever. I take full responsibility for letting myself be Robbed.

One of my former Pastors was always RIGHT. Even when they were clearly WRONG according to the Bible. Any Popular, Visiting, Evangelist was deemed to be beyond: Reproach, Questions, Error, etc. I was always on their "Good Side" because I always gave as much money as I had on me. Cash, Checks, Credit Card Nbrs, etc. Godly, Righteous, ME!

My days of trusting those guys ended when I lost my job back then. What? I was lead to believe that giving money means NEVER being: Unemployed, Sick, Depressed, etc.

An embarrassing Word Of Faith deception?

---Sag on 5/23/11


One was to listen with the good attentions to observe what was asked from God.

Whatsoever one asks, that it may be done for them that remain in Me to the Glory of God that you bear much fruits of The Spirit of God.
---yohannes_davist on 5/23/11


If a so-called prophecy comes true, it may have just been a lucky guess. I never believe anyone who claims to prophesy. Modern-day prophets are just trying to make names for themselves and feed their own egos, and/or make money.
---John.usa on 5/22/11


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You can discern by whether or not it lines up with Gods Word.

Not a translation or a version but Gods Inspired Word.

If that false prediction would have came true it would have made God out to be a liar.

Amazing how many people were taken in by it though.

Paul
---paul on 5/22/11


AND IT NEVER WILL!!!
---John on 5/22/11


How can a person discern whether something a pastor/teacher says is true?
Read the Bible yourself.

In this case the Bible says
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

We are to be aware of the signs of the time and prepared for the Rapture. But don't listen to anyone who claims to know the day.
---Donna66 on 5/22/11


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