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Will The Lord Return In 2012

Will the Lord return in 2012? The Mayan calendar says so.

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He only knows the hour, Matthew 25:13, Thesalonians chapter 2, Revelations 3:3.
p.s. I still have some stuff to do.
---Glenn on 6/3/11


This is just like us moving from 1999.12.31 to 2000.01.01.
There is no spiritual significance to it.
The Mayan calendar is moving from 12.19.19.17.19 to 13.0.0.0.0 on 2012.12.21 Gregorian.
This has happened 12 other times in history, theoretically.
The Mayan calendar moved from 11.19.19.17.19 to 12.0.0.0.0 on or about 1617.09.20 Gregorian(September 20, 1617).
Today is 12.19.18.7.10 Mayan(+/-1): 10th K'in(day) of the 20th Winal(2/3 of a month) of the 18th Tun(almost a year) of the 19th K'atun(almost 2 decades) in the 12th Bak'tan(almost 4 centuries).
---micha9344 on 6/1/11


The Mayan calender does not say that the world will end in 2012. It says that the current era or time period will end and another will start. The Mayan calender has many such endings thoughout history of the current time period ending.
---Scott on 6/1/11


\\cluny, it was a question that left out "according to you.. it was not a statement inside of a question, "I do not think Jesus had a spirit, do you?\\

Thank you for clarifying that! I do my best to choose my words carefully, but frequntly, what any of us say can be unclear.

And thanks for quoting the Nicene Creed.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/11


cluny, it was a question that left out "according to you.. it was not a statement inside of a question, "I do not think Jesus had a spirit, do you?

soul sleep, non-existence of spirit (just as force), and so on. even "spiritual creature" not my words...their words.

i believe that Jesus Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried, and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father.
---aka on 5/31/11




Amen Mark. You stated everything correctly.
---Samuel on 5/31/11


\\that is what i said in less words.\\

Then what did you mean by saying, "I thought Jesus has no spirit"?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/31/11


Cluny, you are correct. Scripture not only bear testimony to the physical characteristics of the human body of the incarnate Christ, but also speak specifically that He possessed a human rational soul and spirit. According to Matt. 26:38 Christ said to His disciples, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death" This is reference to the fact that He possessed a human soul. And in John 13:21, in regard to His human spirit where it is recorded "When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit" It is necessary to view Him as fully human in His incarnate state.
---Mark_V. on 5/31/11


//Where did you get that idea? There is a human spirit that is part of our human nature, and Jesus Christ had one...And Jesus came back from the dead in His PHYSICAL body,//

that is what i said in less words.

(This is to be distinguished from His Divine Spirit in His divine nature.)

no argument there.
---aka on 5/30/11


JESUS physically rose from the dead in a new body. We will be raised from the dead in our new bodies.

Read I Corithians 15
---Samuel on 5/30/11




\\//Truthfully, does it say His body or His "life"?//

We receive His life through His Eucharistic Body and Blood.

\\Does your bible have the part when Jesus returns shortly after His body's death? I thought Jesus has no spirit and Jesus' body was dead?
---aka on 5/30/11\\

Where did you get that idea? There is a human spirit that is part of our human nature, and Jesus Christ had one. (This is to be distinguished from His Divine Spirit in His divine nature.)

And Jesus came back from the dead in His PHYSICAL body, though raised and glorified, not as a "spirit creature," as Jehovah's False Witnesses claim.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/11


This is an interesting question! I invite you to read Acts 1:1-11 in the New Testament. Even JEsus doesn't know! AY?! Follow Jesus . . . He will be here on time! And don't worry . . . receive Christ as saviour and follow Him!
---revja7339 on 5/30/11


//Truthfully, does it say His body or His "life"?//

Truthfully, it says neither. It says 'Son'.

There are some who use scripture to say that we do not have a spirit. There are some who believe in spirit based on scripture which lives after the bodies death.

Does your bible have the part when Jesus returns shortly after His body's death? I thought Jesus has no spirit and Jesus' body was dead?
---aka on 5/30/11


\\Cluny, My impression of "Orthodox" has been .from their processions, people carrying tall polls with various ans sundry symbols atop,fancy high head gear and long elaborate robes!\\

All you're saying is that your impression of Orthodoxy is shallow and superficial.

If you want to know the significance of all this, I can tell y ou how to find out.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/11


Cluny, My impression of "Orthodox" has been .from their processions, people carrying tall polls with various ans sundry symbols atop,fancy high head gear and long elaborate robes!
I can't seem to correlate this to Jesus the carpenter!
My trade has taken me inside the local Greek Orthodox church here,where floor to ceiling paintings (quite beautiful) line the entire perimeter walls of the building!Is this "standard?"
Some friends who are members say the congregation is down to a few families and they are struggling financially!
---1st_cliff on 5/30/11


//cluny For many years I was a member of "my way or the highway" denomination...actually I took the Highway!//

If you had taken the highway, 1st cliff, you'd be Orthodox!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/11


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aka, Maybe your bible says "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son's body..." Jn.3.16. Mine doesn't.
Nowhere in scripture does it make this reference! Christ "DIED", the "Person"!
175 lbs of flesh and bone doesn't save anyone!
Truthfully, does it say His body or His "life"?
The body is more than 50% water,plus mega trace elements ,about the same composition as 7 gal.of sea water!
Is this what saves you?
---1st_cliff on 5/30/11


//cluny For many years I was a member of "my way or the highway" denomination...actually I took the Highway!//

What highway? Red Herring Highway. please explain to me how cluny's math and mine were errant.

//My God cannot die, His Son could and did!// very true. His body died.
---aka on 5/29/11


\\Judge Cluny, Excuse me your Honor but I didn't realize that you had the authority to declare someone a "non Christian"
Orthodoxy is probably your benchmark and all who do not measure up to this "ism" are either 2nd class or non Christians!\\

If you don't hold to basic Christian doctrine, and according to your posts you apparently do not, how can you be called a Christian?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/11


Judge Cluny, Excuse me your Honor but I didn't realize that you had the authority to declare someone a "non Christian"
Orthodoxy is probably your benchmark and all who do not measure up to this "ism" are either 2nd class or non Christians!
For many years I was a member of "my way or the highway" denomination...actually I took the Highway!
When I lived in San Diego back in the 60s "God is dead" was the catch phrase then.
My God cannot die, His Son could and did!
---1st_cliff on 5/29/11


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As Donna and I have pointed out only GOD could save all mankind. His law requires the death of the sinner. But GOD cannot die. So GOD became man this is called incarnation. But he did not give up being GOD at the same time he became a man.

He live and was like any other man except he never sinned.

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Look up the word propitiation.

Now why cannot GOD operate on a higher math then human thought?
---Samuel on 5/29/11


1st Cliff, Cluny is right, here. When GOD created Adam and Eve, He said that from that time on, the man shall leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his wife and the "two shall become one flesh". Now, are they really "one person" when that happens? Or, is there a more deeper, spiritual significance here? The two become "one" in unification" and "purpose". A father, a mother and a child make three people, but, they are ONE family. GOD is like that. GOD is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three Persons that make ONE GOD. We must stop thinking of "GOD" as just One Person up in Heaven. GOD is that Divine Unit of Three Persons, so perfectly unified into ONE.
---Gordon on 5/29/11


1st Cliff, YAHUSHUA, Who many call "JESUS CHRIST", is 100% Son of GOD. He is God of Very GOD. But, being 100% God, He took upon Himself a Flesh-and-Blood Body, fashioned as a Man to become a Blood Sacrifice to redeem from Sin and Hell anyone who wants to be saved, and who are willing and wanting to walk in the Holy Ways of GOD.
---Gordon on 5/29/11


\\"God" the Father,"God" the Son and "God" the Holy Spirit are three Gods, go back and count them.\\

No, they are not, He is ONE God.

All you're saying 1st cliff, is that you're not a Christian.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/11


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//Cluny,aka, Playing "tricks" with math is nothing new,(like Herold Camping)//

I know. I wish you and Harold and the like would stop. you show me where cluny's and my mathematics are flawed, and quit fishing for red herrings.

//The truth is found in Deut.6.4. not in the Nicene creed!// ---1st_cliff

Again, it is convenient for you to lump me in with those you choose to smokescreen. i don't necessarily adhere to the Nicene creed.

The whole Truth in the same book that you quote: Rom 1:7 ...Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
---aka on 5/28/11


Cluny,aka, Playing "tricks" with math is nothing new,(like Herold Camping)
1 times 1 times 1 is senseless since none of the Deities are multiplied!
"God" the Father,"God" the Son and "God" the Holy Spirit are three Gods, go back and count them.
Fundamentalists are the ones who made this up, let them explain this apart from multiple personalities.(like Baal)
The truth is found in Deut.6.4. not in the Nicene creed!
---1st_cliff on 5/28/11


1 cliff,

Firstly, i do not accept trinity, but the tri-unity accepted me.

Secondly, if my son's ball team members all give 100%, they do not give 900% collectively, they together as one gave 100% to the one team.

refer to Cluny's math.
---aka on 5/28/11


1st Cliff--//The only sin nullified by Christ's sacrifice is Adamic sin. (some qualifying is necessary)
All other sins,incest, rape, theft,drunkenness ,immorality,blasphemy etc. are "forgiven" on a "ask for" basis and has nothing to do with Calvary!//

Several of us have explained why God does not forgive on an "ask for" basis without taking Calvary into account.
Can you back your "theology" up with any scripture or is it just out of your own head? Logic is fine. But faith is beyond logic. Do you believe in anything spiritual?
---Donna66 on 5/28/11


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\\Aka, According to your math ,since you embrace the "trinity" concept, the god-head is 300%.
Actually you must accept 33 1/3% for each person to be 100% Deut.6.4.\\

You've got your signs wrong, 1stcliff.

It's not 1 + 1 + 1.

It's 1 X 1 X 1.

And that will always give you ONE.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/11


The mayan calendar does not make any claims of the LORD returning

it does not even make claims about the end of the world

the fairy tale was spun by false prophets forever spinning their lies using the mayan calendar to twist into their antichrist message

Holy Scripture is very clear only The Father in Heaven knows the time even Christ said HE does not know

further ...1/3 of Holy Scripture is prophecy of which majority has not happened

Christ said while the bridegroom was DELAYED they ALL slept ...believing on mortal mens fairy tales you are spiritually asleep

did may 21st antichrist rapture theory happen ...NO

will it happen at the newly revised date sometime in Oct 20ll ...lol of course not
---Rhonda on 5/28/11


\\100% God and 100% man is an impossibility.At best it would be 50%,50% as nothing can be more than 100% of itself!\\

1st cliff, you have to understand that spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

\\The only sin nullified by Christ's sacrifice is Adamic sin. (some qualifying is necessary)
All other sins,incest, rape, theft,drunkenness ,immorality,blasphemy etc. are "forgiven" on a "ask for" basis and has nothing to do with Calvary!\\

You err, knowing neither the scriptures nor the power of God.

Clearly, 1st cliff, you don't believe in the REAL Jesus, and are still in your sins.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/11


Lev 16:30 For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.
Jeremiah 33:8 And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me, and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.
1Jo 1:7-8 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
---micha9344 on 5/28/11


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Aka, According to your math ,since you embrace the "trinity" concept, the god-head is 300%.
Actually you must accept 33 1/3% for each person to be 100% Deut.6.4.
So, Gordon, Just the body died and not the person? this is contrary to Jn.3.16!
He gave His Son, not just His Son's body!
Micha9344 If we were cleansed of "all" sin then none would be seen today!
Wrong interpretation!
---1st_cliff on 5/28/11


Well, 1st Cliff, in a sense, YAHUSHUA did not "die". His Soul and Spirit did not die. His Flesh-and-Blood Body died, and then, at that time, His Soul and Spirit went to Paradise. So, YES, the Son of GOD is Immortal and cannot die. But, He did suffer immensly before and during His crucifixion, to the point that He gave up His Spirit and His Body died.
---Gordon on 5/28/11


Nothing to do with Calvary?
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God,
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Col 2:13-14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,
---micha9344 on 5/28/11


The scripture clearly says that God is "immortal" so all this foolish talk about God dieing on Calvary amounts to a scam,charade,pretending to die when it's impossible.
Going through the whole "act" of beatings (you can't hurt God) hanging on the cross (Academy award performance?)
God can never and will never "die"!Period!
---1st_cliff on 5/28/11


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//100% God and 100% man is an impossibility.//

yes, it is. however, it is not impossible for Yahweh to be 100% Yahweh, Jesus Christ to be 100% Jesus Christ (whether in spirit or flesh), and the Holy Spirit to be 100% of the Holy Spirit.
---aka on 5/27/11


Matthew, The Mayan Calendar is not the Word of GOD. Are you a follower of GOD? We who follow GOD should be seeking the LORD and His Word for the Answers to the End Times, not trusting in a pagan belief from Satan spelled out on a pagan's calendar. Will the World End in 2012? No, it can't. A period of Tribulation of GOD's Judgments have to take place first. The Anti-Christ (the false Jesus) must reign for a short season before the End comes. Then shall the Lord YAHUSHUA (JESUS) return to Earth. All of this cannot happen within just a year's time. The Anti-Christ could come onto the World's stage in 2012, though. And, events from MATTHEW 24 are happening now.
---Gordon on 5/28/11


100% God and 100% man is an impossibility.At best it would be 50%,50% as nothing can be more than 100% of itself!
Nowhere in scripture does it say death is separation from God!
Your theology is flawed IE If Christ died in all men's stead,since we INHERITED sin then "all" persons are free of sin now. But if you look around you'll see that is not the case!
The only sin nullified by Christ's sacrifice is Adamic sin. (some qualifying is necessary)
All other sins,incest, rape, theft,drunkenness ,immorality,blasphemy etc. are "forgiven" on a "ask for" basis and has nothing to do with Calvary!
---1st_cliff on 5/27/11


\\NO Jesus Christ was NOT a human sacrifice. Jesus Christ is 100% God and 100% man (the God-man).\\

________

Leslie, this is PRECISELY what I said.

Do you really read all of what other people say, or do you just look at words and phrases you can react to?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/11


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\\Neither could a 1/2 man 1/2 god hybrid!\\

You've got it wrong, !stCliff.

Jesus is FULLY man and FULLY God, not half and half.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/11


1st_cliff--
All people have sinned against God. But, God, being infinitely holy and righteous, cannot just say "I forgive". He must punish the the Law-breaker, for a law is not really law, without a punishment. The punishment for breaking God's law is death, separation from God.
Since we are sinful and cannot keep the Law of God...the only one who could do what we cannot, is God Himself. The animal sacrifices of the OT were a temporary measure. That is why Jesus came in the flesh. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

He was flesh and blood to die on our behalf, but His sacrifice to God the Father has infinite value, sufficient to cleanse all people from their sins.
---Donna66 on 5/27/11


OK ,if this is the wrong concept,you tell me why any person,human or god, had to be "killed" to set things right!Why not just "forgiveness?"1st_cliff

Simple the wages of sin is death. So the law requires the death of the sinner. The Law of GOD is a written transcript of his character. GOD is pefect, HOLY, Just and still loving. So his law his character demands that we pay the penalty for sin.

But his love choose to die himself since only GOD can pay the penalty for the sins of others.

JESUS was both GOD and man. You can ask them how that works when we get to heaven. I just accpet the Bible teaches it.
---Samuel on 5/27/11


Brother Cluny is right, besides the Mayan calendar is pagan leaving the suggestion it is fit to measure the plans of a holy God blasphemous.
The hilarious part of the Mayan 2012 hoax is the lack of knowledge that even in Mayan lore the calendar simply starts anew. Duh?
---Larry on 5/27/11


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There was a family that came over from Italy.
A child was born to them while in the US.
This child was 100% Italian, yet 100% American...
Go figure..
---micha9344 on 5/27/11


Donna66, 1st of all ,God is immortal and cannot die, therefore He could not "sacrifice" Himself for any reason!
Neither could a 1/2 man 1/2 god hybrid!
There was no "perfect" human available so God produced one ,His Son,who became 100% human and perfect,just like Adam.
OK ,if this is the wrong concept,you tell me why any person,human or god, had to be "killed" to set things right!Why not just "forgiveness?"
---1st_cliff on 5/27/11


No one knows the day or hour even Jesus says so so if it comes in 2012 that would only be coincidence.I do believe Jesus is coming soon due to all the natural disasters I believe they are warnings.We have had our wake up calls.
---shirley on 5/26/11


1st cliff--- That's it? These few references make Adam and Christ alike in every way?
Do you also believe that Jesus was literally, in every way, a lamb? That simile is far more common in the Word. Jesus said (Jhn 6:48) I am that bread of life. Is He the same as your morning toast?

//Just as in Adam ..all die
Just as in Christ all will be made alive.//
Adam was a human being. Humans die. Who could make humans live? Surely Someone more than a mere human, no matter how righteous.
I never thought you were using "smoke and mirrors". But I don't see your "logic" either. With all the scriptures and evidences of Jesus being God in the flesh, how could you depend on just a few verses to make Him otherwise?
---Donna66 on 5/26/11


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\\Cluny - You always state Christ is risen, but here you state Christ was a human sacrifice. \\

No, I didn't.

Read what I said again. I said explicitly that Christ was NOT merely human, and that He WILLINGLY gave His life.

The idea of Christ's death being a human sacrifice is 1stCliff's not mine.

In the mean time, Leslie, keep on blessing me.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/11


NO Jesus Christ was NOT a human sacrifice. Jesus Christ is 100% God and 100% man (the God-man). Since God is spirit, you can NOT kill a spirit - therefore, Christ was NOT a human sacrifice. This is why He rose from the dead and is alive and well today, no human sacrifice can ever be alive again. Read your Bible's people, don't just go by what your Pastor taught or your personal beliefs, they will only be proven WRONG 100% of the time when compared to the Bible.
---Leslie on 5/26/11


Cluny - You always state Christ is risen, but here you state Christ was a human sacrifice. You are DOUBLE-MINDED (UNSTABLE in ALL your ways). How do I know this, because if Christ is risen He could NOT be a human sacrifice - that is ONLY for those that remain dead. So which is it, is Christ alive, or was He a human sacrifice? He can NOT be both.
---Leslie on 5/26/11


\\No smoke and mirrors, it's all pure logic!\\

Mere human wisdom and logic is foolishness with God, 1stCliff.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/11


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Atheist: Your beliefs are very deeply rooted in the hole of opinionated confusion, i.e., RELIGION. That's the way it is when people seek answers from a source other than God. By the way, many Christians wrongly practice "religion" too ~ instead of being taught & led by God the Holy Spirit in accordance with the Bible. It's unfortunate, for many people world-wide, that false opinions (religion) rules (masters) & ruins (destroys) the lives of untold millions!

Elder: No doubt Camping would find (imagine...eisegesis) a way to put a spin on it to make it support his false prophecies.
---Leon on 5/25/11


Donna66, 1Cor.15 calls Jesus the "last Adam" Why ,if not the same??
*Just as in Adam ..all die
**Just as in Christ all will be made alive.
Ex.21.24 "eye for eye,tooth for tooth,hand for hand,foot for foot,burn for burn Vs.23 "life for life"!
Could an Angel have volunteered to substitute? NO, why? because man was made a "little lower" than Angels therefore the "ransom" would be over paid!
No smoke and mirrors, it's all pure logic!




















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---1st_cliff on 5/25/11


I personally believe he will return before 2017.

Study the calling out of Abram, the children of Israel's suffering in Egypt and the year they were delivered out of it and then entered into their "promised land". You'll see some very interesting time "coincidences". God is a master planner.
---CraigA on 5/25/11


JESUS is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. It is through his death that we can be saved. Because his righteouness is sufficient to atone for the sins of all human beings. To do that he cannot have been just another adam.

The Bible calls him the Saviour, creator, only begotten son of GOD. In other words he is of the same substance as GOD so He is GOD.
---Samuel on 5/25/11


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On what scriptures do you base your belief that Christ was the EXACT counterpart of Adam and nothing more?
---Donna66 on 5/25/11

GOD's original plan was for Adam, Eve, and their descendants to inherit the Earth and spread his glory. Genesis 1:28

However, GOD's plan was cut short by sin. Genesis 3. The FIRST Adam is considered to have "Blown It" because he was created first.

Sin polluted the Earth. GOD saw that people needed a SECOND, sin-free, Adam -- Jesus Christ -- to escape from their sin. John 3:16. All we need to do is believe.

Jesus Christ was a servant of GOD and nothing more. Hebrews 5-9. He came to Earth to draw people back to GOD.
---Sag on 5/25/11


1st_cliff-- On what scriptures do you base your belief that Christ was the EXACT counterpart of Adam and nothing more?
---Donna66 on 5/25/11

GOD's original plan was for Adam and Eve, and their descendants, to Populate the Earth and spread HIS glory. Genesis 1:28

However, GOD's original plan was destroyed by Adam and Eve's sin in the Garden of Eden. They blew it and their descendants -- including us -- all fell out-of-favor with GOD. Genesis 3.

Romans 5. GOD sent a Second Adam -- Jesus Christ -- to save people from their. All we need to do to be justified before GOD is Believe in Jesus Christ. John 3:16.

Jesus' time on Earth was spent serving GOD. Nothing more.
---Sag on 5/25/11


I do not believe that in all eternity we can plumb the depth and height of the sacrifice of JESUS on the cross.

His was a subtituionary death and the propitiationary death that is unlike all others because he is GOD and man.

If JESUS comes back in 2012 I will be estatic. But I am not going to depend on it.

I might die tomorrow so I need today to be ready to face JESUS.
---Samuel on 5/25/11


1st_cliff-- On what scriptures do you base your belief that Christ was the EXACT counterpart of Adam and nothing more?
---Donna66 on 5/25/11


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\\Cluny, My basic understanding of the reason for Christ's death was/is that He was the "EXACT"\\

But Jesus was noit just a mere human. He was God Incarnate.

\\An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth is the formula! Right?\\

Actually, the lex talionis was given to LIMIT vengeance. It was never understood to allow for judicially sanctioned dismemberment (at least by Jews), but was compensatory damages.

The significance of the Death of God Incarnate means something entirely different to Orthodox, and it cannot be explained in 125 words.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/11


Cluny, My basic understanding of the reason for Christ's death was/is that He was the "EXACT" counterpart of Adam IE- a perfect human!
After Adam's downfall there was no "perfect" human to pay the price(ransom).
Consequently God sent His Son ,if he was God (incarnate) , the price would not match Adam since he was not also a god (incarnate)!
An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth is the formula! Right?
---1st_cliff on 5/25/11


\\Leslie, **(3)The Mayans did human sacrifice which according to the Bible is Satanic**
Was not the Crucifixion of Christ a "human sacrifice"?
Jn.3.16.
---1st_cliff on 5/24/1\\

You've asked a good question, but there are several parts to this answer.

1. Christ willingly gave Himself. He was not a helpless victim.

2. Christ was not merely human but also God Incarnate, therefore

3. Death could not hold Him, and so I say,

4. Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/11


\\Cluny and Donna66 - I already know you are NOT saved and do NOT go with the Bible but only with your opinion. Anyone who listens to you both WILL end up DECEIVED.
---Leslie on 5/24/11\\

If you think I'm not, that means I am.

All you've done, Leslie, is to reassure me of my sound spiritual health.

Thank you!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/11


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leslie-- You do NOT know whether Cluny and I are saved.
(God knows) But I know you are very thin-skinned if you take it personally that some one has an idea a little different from yours. If you care to debate the scripture cluny or I gave ...have at it. That's partly the reason these blogs exist.
---Donna66 on 5/24/11


Leslie, **(3)The Mayans did human sacrifice which according to the Bible is Satanic**
Was not the Crucifixion of Christ a "human sacrifice"?
Jn.3.16.
---1st_cliff on 5/24/11


Cluny and Donna66 - I already know you are NOT saved and do NOT go with the Bible but only with your opinion. Anyone who listens to you both WILL end up DECEIVED.
---Leslie on 5/24/11


\\You might should be more concerned about what happens if you see Christ today...\\

As I've said elsewhere, one way or the other--either at our deaths or the Parousia--Jesus will send for each one of us.

Until then, as He said in the parable, "Occupy until I come."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/11


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We do not know the day nor the hour. the mayian calander is based off of native american understandings & doesn't make it correct, we just do not know. However they are correct in the fact that the earth changes every so often ,so maybe the earth wil go through a transformation!
---Candice on 5/24/11


Hey, send a copy of this calender to Rev. Waco Camping and let's see what happens.
You might should be more concerned about what happens if you see Christ today...
---Elder on 5/23/11


Leslie--- Oh, no. You mean God doesn't work on Saturday (for Jews and Adventists) or Sunday (for other Christians)???

We'd be in a fine mess if God took a day off! We are told in Col 1:17-18 that.... all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist....

Cluny is right. When accused of working on the Sabbath, Jesus said, "My Father works [apparently on the Sabbath] and so do I."

Jesus told His disciples (Luk 12:40) Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
---Donna66 on 5/23/11


\\(2) The Bible says we can know the seasons - which is Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets -the trumpet will sound at the rapture),\\

There's no such thing as a Pre-Trib rapture. Furthermore the Hebrew religious calendar no longer has spiritual or prophetic significance.

\\ but if so, that is the Sabbath according to the Bible, and God will NOT go against His commands and work on a Sabbath.\\

When accused of working on the Sabbath, Jesus said, "My Father works [apparently on the Sabbath] and so do I."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


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He came and went yesterday, but left us with memories that he wasn't here at all and everything just carried on without interruption.

The Rapture occurred, but most are burning in Hell. But this is a new world with old memories of a world that never existed.
---atheist on 5/23/11


NO it will NOT. Here is how I know: (1) The Bible says NO one knows the day or hour, NOT even the Son (Jesus)., (2) The Bible says we can know the seasons - which is Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets -the trumpet will sound at the rapture), during the Fall Feasts in September/October, NOT December., (3) The Mayans did human sacrifice which according to the Bible is Satanic (they worshipped Satan), therefore you are going by Satan's calendar, NOT God's., (4) I don't know if it is a Saturday, but if so, that is the Sabbath according to the Bible, and God will NOT go against His commands and work on a Sabbath. Please go ONLY with what the Bible says, otherwise you will end up being DECIEVED and hating God.
---Leslie on 5/23/11


Wrong.

The Mayans didn't know about Jesus, so how could their calendar prophecy His return?

The Mayan calendar supposedly runs out on 21 December 2012.

This means nothing in itself. I have various liturgical books giving calendars of feasts that end in different years, and all this means is that's when the tables run out.

One way or the other, Jesus will send for each of us: either at our deaths or at the Parousia. We can meet Him either as our Judge, or as our Friend and Advocate. The choice is up to us,and that's all that matters.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


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