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Forgive You Of Your Sins

Is the act of asking God to forgive you of your sins in another itself "repentance"?

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 ---mima on 5/23/11
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servants of righteousness?

many can justify righteousness.
pastors can say they are blessed & have six checking accounts bec. they obeyed god, drive luxury cars & live in million dollar homes.
while christ & john the baptists DID NOT have ANY worldly treasures & that is considered righteousness.

which is which?
---mike on 7/19/11


Duane is right:
"Repentance is what we did when we turned to Christ through faith."
---duane on 5/26/11

Repentance is to turn away from what you were before.

We WERE servants of sin but NOW are servants of righteousness Rom6:17

We WERE sinners but NOW are righteous 1Pet4:18

We WERE in darkness but NOW are children of light 1Thes5:5

We WERE dead but NOW we are alive Eph 2:1

---Haz27 on 5/26/11


Repenting is asking for forgiveness. But we must admit we have sinned(confession)also. Or there would be no need for repentance.
---Robyn on 5/26/11


Mima, the question doesn't torment me, but I ask wondering about someone who was by all appearances walking with the Lord for a number of years after years of addiction to alcohol. Recently this person started to drink again. I see that person as tormented, and my heart is burdened.
---christina on 5/26/11


//" If someone has repented, and changed over a period of time for the better, then they slip, even briefly, does that mean the "repentance" was not real?"//
Of course not. It means they are human.

However, if one has to "repent" time and again for a certain sin that continues to manifest itself...the "repentance"
may not be genuine. You cannot repent with the expectation of committing that sin again!
Whatever that is, shame or remorse, it is NOT repentance.
---Donna66 on 5/26/11




As christians we ARE forgiven/freed of sin always. Its what the Cross did for us.
Repentance is what we did when we turned to Christ through faith. Our trust in HIM and what HE did for us became a reality.
---duane on 5/26/11


This questioned by
---Christina
" If someone has repented, and changed over a period of time for the better, then they slip, even briefly, does that mean the "repentance" was not real?" Troubles many people.
It also involves O.S.A.S.
if this questioned tormentS you you have but to repent again. Have you heard about seven times 70?
---mima on 5/26/11


Mima, asking God to forgive you is only part of repentance, the other part is obeying or following Jesus. When a sinner truly is penetant and they realize that they have crucified the Holy One by their sin, then they will not only ask Jesus for forgiveness but they will not over-crucify the Holy One again, but instead that forgiven soul will follow and obey the Holy One and serve him all the days of their life.
---Eloy on 5/26/11


IF jeffrey dammer and charles manson had repented and
released on that account.. What is it if they had slipped
a little?
How about it?
Paul did not slip a little when Alexander the coppersmith did him much evil.
---Nana on 5/26/11


aka: "repentance is to make a change in thought and actions for the better as a result of remorse or contrition."
I think so too.
I do have a question concerning this. If someone has repented, and changed over a period of time for the better, then they slip, even briefly, does that mean the "repentance" was not real?
---Christina on 5/26/11




//Is the act of asking God to forgive you of your sins in ... itself "repentance"?//

If abusing your wife/husband is on-going, does it matter how many times you have asked for forgiveness? have you 'repented'?

repentance is to make a change in thought and actions for the better as a result of remorse or contrition.

you can ask forgiveness for the same heinous behavior repeated during your whole life and never repent. in contrast, if you truly repent, you will at some point ask for forgiveness.
---aka on 5/25/11


Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way, and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Mat17:20
Mat17:21!

Mar 4:23-32
Let us pass over unto the other side.
Peace, be still.
---TheSeg on 5/25/11


StrongAxe,
I couldn't agree more.

I have, on many occasions, asked people what does it mean to believe in Jesus, and most say

believe He is God
believe He is real
believe He died on a cross
etc etc
believing "about" Him instead of believing "in" Him


In Romans 4:21 Paul gave a great example of what it means to believe "in" God

[Abraham] "being fully assured that what God had promised, He was also able to perform"
---James_L on 5/24/11


James_L:

The problem is that the English phrase "believe in" means two very different things, and relies on context to determine which is which. It can be confusing when we use it to mean one thing, and others interpret it as meaning the other.

"I believe in God" typically means "I believe in the existence of God".
"I believe in vegetarians" does not mean "I believe vegetarians exist", but means "I agree with the principles of vegetarianism".

So demons "believe in God" in the sense of believing in his existence, but DON'T "believe in God" in the sense of agreeing with everything he stands for.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/11


\\We are to change our minds from unbelief to belief,and that change constitutes repentance.\\
---mima on 5/24/11


Mima, we agree 100% on this
---James_L on 5/24/11


The demons will eventually repent, or else Philippians 2:9-11 is untrue.
---John.usa on 5/24/11


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\\That means demons repent\\
---Cluny on 5/24/11


No, it doesn't. James didn't write that demons believe in God, he wrote that demons believe there is one God.

The context is the Judgment Seat of Christ. Some believers thought that faith alone would please God and garner rewards for them. It is an allusion to Hebrews 11:6

"Without faith it is impossible to please Him. For he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those that seek Him"

James was saying that faith alone cannot save a man from losing his rewards. We must seek God in faith to be rewarded.
---James_L on 5/24/11


Acts 3:19 Repent therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out,so the time of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. This clearly shows us without repentence there is no forgiveness of sin,for repentence,being sorry for ones past conduct,and asking for forgiveness,has to happen before the sins are forgiven.
---Darlene_1 on 5/24/11


\\The very act of believing in God is a form of repenting.
---JIM on 5/24/11\\

That means demons repent, Jim. Remember your namesake said that they believe in God and tremble.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/11


mima....seeing as we are born sinners and separated from God. The very act of believing in God is a form of repenting.
---JIM on 5/24/11


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"Change of mind about what?"
James_L on 5/23/11

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Acts 11:19 "..., preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only."

The lost sheep/jews, they knew what to repent of, and if there was any doubt, John dispelled it in Luke 3:8.

Jeremiah 8:5-6 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return.
I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle.
---Nana on 5/24/11


I found this on line, which seems to be appropriate here:

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In a famous passage on "cheap grace", German theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer [a Protestant, btw] explains in a nutshell what's wrong with sacramental soft options.

"Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, communion without confession, absolution without personal confession."

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Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/11


Forgive You Of Your Sins
Is the act of asking God to forgive you of your sins in another itself "repentance"?


NO! what you need is:
Psalms 51:17 a broken and a contrite heart,
---francis on 5/23/11


Did the "thief on the cross" ask Jesus to forgive him?

That's an interesting question.
We really don't know. The fact that scripture doesn't mention it doesn't mean that he didn't.
Maybe without his verbalizing anything, he Lord Jesus sensed a repentant spirit.

He was already suffering for his crime and he admitted his guilt. (Luk23:40-41)... answering (the other thief) rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

Then, again, perhaps all he needed was faith. Many are the scriptures that mention only faith, not repentance, as necessary for salvation.
---Donna66 on 5/23/11


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One can ask for forgiveness without actually being sorry - wanting to fix the symptoms of sin without fixing the cause.

Cluny:

Whenever one posts to this site, certain textual changes are automatically made. For example, all colons are converted to periods, and semicolons are converted to commas.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/11


Is the act of asking God to forgive you of your sins in another itself "repentance"?
mima///

Asking God to forgive you of your sin is not repentance. Mima, when you said IN ANOTHER, you mean In Christ.

God cannot just forgive you, based on yourself.

Our sin can be forgiven ONLY in Christ and what Christ did on the Cross. Even after we are saved, the blood of Christ is what cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

I believe mima, when we know God can't forgive us apart from Christ, and we come to Him acknowledging WE BELIEVE Jesus died for OUR SIN and receive His Son for the forgivness of sin, being first justified by His Blood, and saved by His Life, THAT repentance(change of mind) leads to salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/11


"Unfortunately, there is a important question regarding repentance that almost never gets asked: Change of mind about what?"---James_L on 5/23/11

James I have critiqued your complete statement and I agree, and this is exactly what I'm talking about. We are to change our minds from unbelief to belief,and that change constitutes repentance.
---mima on 5/24/11


I know what you mean, mima. Sometimes my keyboard doesn't work. And I've noticed that whenever I print a semi-colon, the screen here shows a comma.

\\Is the act of asking God to forgive you of your sentence in and of itself "repentance"
---mima on 5/23/11\\

Not in and of itself, mima, but it should be the first step. I've dealt with the rest of this earlier.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


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Repentance means to have a change of mind that manifests itself in a change of direction.


Unfortunately, there is amportant question regarding repentance that almost never gets asked: Change of mind about what?

In scripture, unbelievers are never asked to "repent" of sin, as in turning from sin.

What is demanded of an unbeliever is to turn from unbelief to belief.

From dead works the Law to faith in Christ.

Jesus ALWAYS forgave BEFORE He commanded "go and sin no more"
---James_L on 5/23/11


Did the "thief on the cross" ask Jesus to forgive him?
---Bill_willa6989 on 5/23/11


I believe repentance is accepting the truth of who we are without Christ and earnestly desiring his presense in our life to change us into who God wants us to be. All He wants us to do is love! We have wonderful God.

Declared not guilty by his blood.
Given a new life by his Spirit.

And just like all new borns its take time to grow (mature in the Spirit), so please stop judging one another. We aren't supposed to judge another man's servant.
---Jasheradan on 5/23/11


Repentance is to turn away from what you were doing.

Scriptures speak of repentance as turning back to God. The gospel.
Acts20:21 "repentance towards God"
Acts26:20 "repent and turn to God"
2Cor 7:10 "godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation"
Heb6:1 "repentance from dead works"
Matt 21:32 "John came to you in the way of righteousness and ye believed him not...repented not afterward"
Luke15:7 "joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth"

Rom 6:17,18 "you have obeyed from the heart that doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, you became servants of righteousness".
This is repentance.
---Haz27 on 5/23/11


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Mima --You are wondering if the act of asking God to forgive your sins is the same thing as repentance. Right?
Maybe your "machine" may need a tune up!
---Donna66 on 5/23/11


Because I don't type my machine sometimes misprints and then I fail to Proof read we have a mess. I meant to ask .

Is the act of asking God to forgive you of your sentence in and of itself "repentance"
---mima on 5/23/11


The act of asking forgiveness is not worth much to God, if it doesn't spring from a repentant heart.
Repentance is a sense of agonizing regret for actions or attitudes that displease our God. It is accompanied by a strong desire never to repeat them.

Repentance always leads to asking God's forgiveness. But asking forgiveness doesn't always come from repentance.
---Donna66 on 5/23/11


mima, your sentence is unclear. Especially the phrase "in another itself" seems to be either a typo or misplaced.

Can you rephrase?

If you're asking about the word, "repentance," it's an active verb in Greek (metanoia), and a phrase in Latin (poenetentiam agite), which means more than a mental attitude, but a definite course correction and change of actions.

In other words, it's more than just saying, "Whoops! I'm sorry!" and going on your merry way.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/11


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Mima I know its probably just me but I don't understand what you mean by "forgive you of your sins in another". Another what? Please explain. Thanks
---Darlene_1 on 5/23/11


Asking God to forgive you of your sins is just confession, and yes the blood of Jesus cleanses us of sin when we do this. However, repentance is turning away from your sins, and changing your actions. The Bible requires we do both, confess and repent. Also, asking God to help you forgive others, is only forgiveness.
---Leslie on 5/23/11


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