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Did God Create the Devil? And if so why?

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An open ear that's willing to hear without gullibly aggreeing on a matter is different from a person who refuses to hear a challenge because his opinions and interpretations are unchallengable. I was concerned when you said that "we will agree to disagree" without you knowing more fully what you may be dismissing without hearing it.
BUT YOU, my friend haved proved your open ear.
I thank you(how did I do... aka? Smile!)
Agreeing on disagreement(or even agreement) before hearing the argument would have been improper unless one of us showed selfish immaturity. You did not! Hope I didn't either.
MarkV, Haven't forgot about you and your verse in Luke about "lightning falling from heaven". Another blog?
---Legends on 6/17/11


it's something I will study a little more from your perspective because I can see possibilities from both sides. Thank you for the insight.

Gods blessings
The Enoch thing was a quote from a scholar I read, not my personal interpretation.

And aka "thank you" for your kind words. It is wonderful to be encouraged in such important issues.
---willa5568 on 6/16/11

To CLEARLY prove angels sinned, you rely on Book of Enoch???
I use OT canons showing instance after instance where human AGGELOS sinned. Can't find one CLEAR account where angels sinned in OT.

10 Spies AGGELOS:
Rahab helped HUMANS not angels. James2:25 states, "Rahab was justified when she had received the MESSENGERS(AGGELOS)".
If second set of spies, Joshua sent, were considered MESSENGERS, the 1st 12 Moses sent were MESSENGERS also.
10 sinned! Preached a false/evil report AMONG THE PEOPLE. God SPARED THEM NOT! 10 were buried in a dark wilderness grave JUST LIKE KORAH/REST.
Even God's messenger, Moses, sinned. God buried him and he was never seen again until the NT holy mount.2Peter1:16-19. CONTEXT!
---Legends on 6/16/11

God created devils demons snakes and hell plus horrible animals that rip and tear each other apart, ofcourse he created satan. He's a tyrant thats why.
---Bobby on 6/16/11

Blessings to you as well.
If you haven't turned me off quite yet though, I've got a little more contextual reasoning you may wish to consider. My prior blog consistantly matches Jude's context.
I will therefore put you in remembrance... how that the Lord, having saved the people OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, afterward destroyed THEM that believed not(NO GRK PUNCTUATION) A-N-D the AGGELOS(MESSENGERS) which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
8THESE... despise dominion/speak evil of dignities(Dathan/Korah,Abiram)
11THEY ran greedily after error of Balaam/perished in the gainsaying of Korah.
---Legends on 6/14/11

//[we] will just have to agree to disagree.//

that is the number 2 on the list of phrases that very common "cutesy" phrases that are overused and do not make much sense.

how about..."we just disagree."

no. 1...

"thank you in advance"

the statement is rather presumptuous. what happened to simply saying "thank you."

shall we agree to disagree? thank you in advance.
---aka on 6/14/11

God created all things being evil or good.Col.1:16,Lam.3:38. In Isaiah54:16 God declares He created the waster and even the purpose, to destroy In John10:10 satan is declared as this destroyer. In Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I GOD do all these things. Isaiah 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power, not one faileth.
There are many scripture verses unless we ask God to elaborate in His guidance we do not understand their significance to the godly order of things.
Always Pray and ask for wisdom!
---Matthew633 on 6/15/11


will just have to agree to disagree.

Gods blessings
---willa5568 on 6/14/11

Aggelos in 2Peter/Jude CONTEXTUALLY refer to Rebel Israel who's first estate, in the natural realm, was Egypt. Best Graves in History! BUT, their spiritual INITIAL DWELLING PLACE/first estate is God's Presence.

Justifying MESSENGERS not angels:
-CONTEXT WAS ESTABLISHED prior to 2Peterch2. 2Peter1:18-21 refers to MOSES/Elijah. Law/Prophet were on the mount w/Peter.
-In 2Peter2:1, False prophets AMONG THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE=Israel in wilderness.
The CONTEXTUAL False Prophets List:Korah,Dathan,Abiram Balaam,the 10 spies.
-SWIFT DESTRUCTION for Korah's gang was: ground opening up, swallowing their entire families as they fell into the DEEP/DARK PIT.
Tarturus=Deep/Dark Pit(darkest grave or hell)
---Legends on 6/14/11

The devil was the most beautiful angel in heaven...but he filt like he was as good as god and would be able to do anything just like he made a choice really to be like he is
---Isabella on 6/14/11


there's no justification here to apply this. I agree, in Rev. it is probable it should be messenger, referring to the leaders of those particular churches. But in these two cases that is not applicable. In 2Peter there is a progression from the Angels (sons of God with the daughters of men), to Noah and the flood and then Sodom and Gomorrah. So considering the wording of Jude it would certainly be applied in the same manner because of the use of Oiketerion(dwelling place or habitation) which was their own. They had a unique dwelling place applied only to them of which they left. As I said there's no justification to apply messenger in this case which is also evidenced by the use of Tartarus, which is only used in this instance.
---willa5568 on 6/14/11

Jude/2Peter use the Greek word AGGELOS for angels.
Please substitute MESSENGERS for the word angels!
WHY? In contexts where apostles meant angels they wrote aggelos meaning angels.
PROBLEM: When they meant HUMAN messengers they ALSO wrote AGGELOS.
Despite context, TRANSLATORS wrote ANGELS in Jude/2Peter.(pt 2 will explain my contextual objection if allowed).
An overtly obvious example of Bible translators making the same error is found in Revelation. There were 7 letters written to 7 seperate AGGELOS of churches. The translators used the term angel, NOT messenger. This mistake makes it nearly impossible for many readers to consider the possibility that these aggelos were human overseers not angels!
---Legends on 6/13/11

Please explain further the ideas expressed in:"If Christ did not overcome Satan Mark 1:3 then mankind would not have a Savior and the Apostles teachings would have been in VAIN"

so you believe Christ did NOT overcome Satan? Even though Christ overcoming Satan is the BASIS for Apostles teachings and described in Holy Scripture

if so then I'm unsure how any further explanation would assist you
---Rhonda on 6/11/11


Hence 2 Peter 2:4 uses this word in agreement with the Book of Enoch (where Tartarus is the place of punishment of fallen angels) and Greek mythology because he is speaking of fallen angels and not of men". On Jude, "Thus, this...meaning teaches that these angels left their original dignity and high positions. Arch & #275, is used "in the Book of Enoch (12:4) of the Watchers (Angels) who have abandoned the high heaven and the holy eternal place and defiled themselves with women(Wuest's word studies)"

looking at the following verses in 2Peter there is a chronology of events, this being the beginning and referring to Genesis 6. All speak of the same event.
---willa5568 on 6/7/11

Understand that God is the creation of all things in heaven, on earth and under the earth.When all things were created they were perfect.Lucifer (Satan) was an angel of God in the beginning of creation. this creature rebelled against the Lord because he wanted to be worshiped as god. God therefore cast satan out of heaven.And with him many angels followed. God never created anything that was not perfect. The devil being God's enemy has done everything contrary to God's perfect will. Read Ezekiel 28:12-16 and Isaiah 14:12-14
---rpalfred on 6/7/11

Please explain further the ideas expressed in:"If Christ did not overcome Satan Mark 1:3 then mankind would not have a Savior and the Apostles teachings would have been in VAIN"

And consider your explanation in the context that God's knowledge, power and presence are absolute.
---Allan on 6/7/11

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Is it possible that we dont even know the name of our enemy and have become comfortable with calling him satan?

if you don't study Holy Scripture than the enemy would be impossible to identify

more than 30 verses directly call out Satan as the adversary of this world 2Corin 2:4,11 ...and dozens more that relate to him without calling him by name

if Christ did not overcome Satan Mark 1:3 then mankind would not have a Savior and the Apostles teachings would have been in VAIN ...seeing they teach brethren to overcome sin, Satan, and his world 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 6/7/11

We do not know when Satan fell. But we do know that he is trapped here on earth and that he was already fallen when he tempted eve.

Satan could be a title since it means the accuser of the Brethern or it could be his name given to him to match his character.

Why speculate? Let us look to JESUS follow Him and do what is right. Let us resist the temptations of doing wrong. That is our job.
---Samuel on 6/7/11

Yes. Look at Isaiah 11 and Ezekial 28. God created Lucifer as the head of worship. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God so God defeated him as well as angels following him.
---Rickey on 6/7/11

Has anyone ever considered that satan is actually known as Belial and that Lucifer is simply the highest ranking of the fallen angels of Heaven?

Is it possible that we dont even know the name of our enemy and have become comfortable with calling him satan?
---Jasheradan on 6/7/11

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Robertsons Word Pictures
Luke 10:18 I beheld Satan fallen:

fall). As a flash of lightning out of heaven, quick and startling, so the victory of the Seventy over the demons, the agents of Satan, forecast his downfall and Jesus in vision pictured it as a flash of lightning
---willa5568 on 6/7/11

Legends, you said,
"Please give me a contextual Bible reference that backs your idea of a FALLEN FORMER ANGEL"

Read Luke 10:18-20.
And He (Jesus) said to them, "I saw satan fall like lightning from Heaven" and said concerning those evil spirits, "I give you authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and "over all the power of the enemy," and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in Heaven"

When satan fell, there was no human beings, only God and angels who are Spirits. If you do not believe the words of Jesus, what can anyone say?
---Mark_V. on 6/7/11

Legends, I was asking you for Scripture passages because it was you who made all those suppositions. I didn't. In fact I read what you wrote and wanted you to teach me something.
What Willa said does not change anything. He doesn't believe Jesus Christ is God, how can I show him anything he will believe? Just not possible. John 20:28 will explain what I'm talking about.
It's like talking to a Mormon or a Jehovah Witness who flood you with a hundred passages to try to convince you are wrong.
My questions were for you since you and I have talked about this before. And just wanted to see the passages that back up what you say.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/11


If you can provide scripture that says Lucifer and Satan are one and the same without your interpretation of what a scripture refers to, since most competent scholars agree that Ezekiel and Isaiah refer to kings which are the only places this descriptions(not names)are used, then I don't believe anyone would disagree. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor not the defense. Without evidence there is nothing to defend.
Batter Up
---willa5568 on 6/6/11

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Are you asking me to give you scripture to back my supposition that there was never an angel named Lucifer or satan isn't an angel? I can't give you one single verse because there's no scripture saying satan isn't an angel. That's simply because neither Jesus/His apostles ever taught a single sermon that satan IS/WAS EVER an angel. This includes doctrines about an angelic rebellion, an angel named Lucifer, angels sinning(willa, I'll respond to your blog after this).
Willa5568 gave a scripture reference that demands a response. He correctly follows the rules of argument.
Asking me to give scriptural evidence to show why Fallen Angels and Lucifer is an unproven assumption is not the proper course of argument.
---Legends on 6/6/11

Rhonda, men rebel because they have a fallen nature.

maybe for the naturist and those who worship nature this is truth ...many call themselves "christian" YET live as a Gentile Rom 2:14 simply do not OBEY Gods Holy Laws

True Christians worship The Heavenly Father and HIS Truth

SIN is a RESULT of DISOBEYING Gods Holy Laws 1 John 5:17, Psa 119:172, James 2:10-11, Rom 7:12, 14

"fallen nature" is counterfeit christianities BIG LIE - simply REPEATING lying false ministers who clearly twist spin and distort Scripture to imply this concept ...fallen nature is found NOWHERE in Holy Scripture
---Rhonda on 6/4/11

Obviously God sis create the devil, as God created everything.

Why we have no idea, but really we don't NEED to know why! We should just fight the devil
---Peter on 6/3/11

God, by the definition, is the Creator. Everything and everyone else are creatures.

Why was the devil or satan created? Human beings do not know.

To systematically question why the devil was created is to imply that we have absolute understanding of goodness and the nature of goodness or that we know as much as God does.
---Allan on 6/2/11

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I noticed some say Satan was not tempted. That can not be proven by scripture to be true or untrue but is something assumed. Considering God is timeless, we have no idea what happened before He created this world as we know it.
---willa5568 on 6/2/11

Jude and genesis 6:2 coincide. Weust says,""Left" is apoleip. The simple verb leip, means "to leave." The prefixed preposition apo makes the compound verb mean "to leave behind." These angels left heaven behind. That is, they had abandoned heaven. They were done with it forever. The verb is aorist in tense which refers to a once-for-all act. This was apostasy with a vengeance. They had, so to speak, burnt their bridges behind them, and had descended to a new sphere, the earth, and into a foreign relationship, that with the human race, foreign, because the latter belongs to a different category of created intelligences than they." sounds like sin
---willa5568 on 6/2/11

Legends, again you provided a lot of opinions but not a one passage to show what you say is truth. I don't believe the response should come from me, since I did not say what you said. In fact I wanted to learn something from you because you seem to have it all down pat. I will be waiting for some passages so I can answer.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/11

God's angels don't sin!
Impossible to explain in 125 words. The accumulation of the numerous blogs we've already shared on this subject is filled with my reasoning.
BTW, I didn't say, "the angel that sinned was Adam".
According to the Bible, the ONLY created beings, between angels and humans, that walked adversely to God are humans.
Thus, I gave the explanation of the terms satan and ha-satan as ADVERSARY.
Please give me a contextual Bible reference that backs your idea of a FALLEN FORMER ANGEL.
Jasheradan provided his reference. Once again, I'll blog why it's inaccurate. What's your Bible reference for believing satan was an angel? I've repeatedly explained why he's not. Any Adversary is Satan by definition!
---Legends on 6/2/11

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Legends, you did not reveal anything. You said that the angel was Adam. Did not explain that. You said there was no one name Lucifur, did not explain that either. And you want prove you are wrong, when you have not explained anything. I though you were going to reveal to us something new that we have never heard of. And again, why is the devils name so important to make you convince? Why don't you give us your knowledge and this way I can answer to it?
I already saw your arguements on another blog and did not respond there because I wanted to hear what you had to say.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/11

"Says your God, Yhwh your Redeemer, Note, I have created the destroyer to destroy." Is.54:16.
---Eloy on 6/1/11

Luke 10:18

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
---Jasheradan on 6/1/11

Mark V,

Ha-satan means THE adversary, THE opposition or THE enemy. The Canons of scripture never directly or indirectly mention that an angel named Lucifer is/was Ha-satan. Nor that any angel named Lucifer sinned. That would be ADAM!
It's also important to closely note that, unlike a whole bunch of us bloggers and teachers, neither Jesus nor any of His Apostles ever taught that there was ever an angel named Lucifer who became known as satan or the devil.
If I'm wrong, there should be CLEAR scriptural evidence showing I'm wrong. Evidence that, at the least, meets the lowest standard of the Laws of Apologetic Proof. Laws you are very aquainted with and properly use in almost every doctrine you blog about except this one.
---Legends on 6/1/11

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There is no question that God created satan. Also you ask why? The only answer I think I can give is what God said when He created the world and all that is in it, IT IS VERY GOOD. I don't believe for one second God has created anything with the intent for it to do evil, that is not the character of God. The answer why is not something answered in scripture. Some may say otherwise, this is my insight though.
---willa5568 on 6/1/11

Legends, you said a lot and wrote a lot with no context to all of it. Then you said,
"Satan was never a Godly angel. Ignoring HUMANS under the DEATH sentence give personality(ies) to Ha-satan!"

Don't just leave us out there in the dark, why don't you explain why you say what you do? His name is Lucifur, and also goes by many names.
---Mark_V. on 6/1/11

-Ha-satan(the satan)
-LIFE's opposition(DEATH)
-LIGHT's opposition(DARKNESS)
-LOVE's opposition(Hate or indifference)
-WISDOM's opposition(IGNOR-ANCE)
-GOD'S OPPOSITION AFTER THE FALL(ADAM, ADAM'S WIFE and every HUMAN child born of ADAM's seed until Jesus)

Satan was never a Godly angel. Ignoring HUMANS under the DEATH sentence give personality(ies) to Ha-satan!
---Legends on 5/31/11

"All things were created by Him and without Him nothing was made." That should cover that. Now on to something more interesting. In Hebrew, satan is always written as "ha-satan." (The satan) No name ever has "the" in front of it, we don't see ha-Abraham, ha-Moshe, ha-David, etc. This might indicate that ha-satan is a group of fallen ones rather than just one.
---Ken_Rank on 5/31/11

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Jan, if Lucifur had a choice between good and evil, does that not tell you that evil was there to be choice? If God had not made it possible for Lucifur to sin, he would not have sinned. Everything was pure in the beginning. The reason Lucifur rebelled is because he had the ability to rebell. God gave him that abilility. He didn't make him sin, but permitted him to. Notice another thing, God made a command to Adam and Eve, and told them of the consequences if they rebelled or disobey Him. We know about the fall of man, when it comes to Lucifur, we are not told there was any command put on him before he rebelled. The devil was not cursed for falling, but was cursed when man was cursed.
---Mark_V. on 5/31/11

"Did God create the devil?"

If God did not create all things (including satan and the angels), who are you suggesting did? Do tell...

"And if so why?"

Scripture declares, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth."
---Sinner_saved_by_grace on 5/31/11

Free-will CREATE! Only in your minds!
He made two roads!
But he knows if he leaves them there, youll walk both!
Why? Because he knows you, and you dont!
How is it, with everything you believe?
You dont see this simple truth?

But are the first to say:
I dont do that or well at lease Im trying!
Man, you see so well, you can lead the blind.
Luk 7:40,Luk 18:13

He never said you can become sinless.
He said I will make you sinless.
But you keep trying to buy it.
Good luck!

Everything exists only because, God is!
If God isnt then nothing is, even evil!
When you walk forward doesnt everything go the other way?
Darkness exists only because there is light.
---TheSeg on 5/30/11

Amen to John!
BUT... I say this to all. Seeing that humans misidentify all things, if one thinks the devil is a former angel, this entire blog is moot. If one thinks the devil is as most Jews think the devil is, then you are most correct. And God is the creator of all.
---Legends on 5/30/11

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there is only one thing God did not make, SIN,EVIL, these came about by free will.
---tom2 on 5/30/11

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth,
and I have set thee so: Act 7:50!

thou wast upon the holy mountain of God, thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness (Psa 101:5, Pro 6:17, Pro 21:4)

I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Mat 5:47-48
Luk 18:9

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.

Isa 40:4
Zec 14:6
---TheSeg on 5/29/11

Are you kidding me? WOW!
Maybe you can answer this question, then I will answer yours.


---John on 5/29/11

MARK V: You seem to believe that before sin was committed
there was no potential for sin
to happen.
I rather believe that God created all beings free to choose to obey God or to rebel, and the DEVIL resulted from Lucifer's bad choice, resulting in outright rebellion.
---Jan on 5/29/11

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God is perfect.
Where has God created anything, which is not perfect and good?
No, place!

But, who has known God, before they were created? No one!
For he was before the Beginning!
So, there no way you can know God.
You'll live and die in darkness.

Now here comes the light you do not know, to freely give you!
You were not made by darkness, you were made by the light.
But you do not know the light. John 3:20
John 7:7 because I testify of it!
John 3:21 that his deeds may be made manifest.
When you're done twittering your thumbs, look for the truth yourself.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:
---TheSeg on 5/29/11

Rhonda, men rebel because they have a fallen nature. What they choose is always sin, because anything without faith is sin. So even the good deeds they do are sin. They are fallen.
What we were talking about was how or why Lucifur rebelled since there was no ability to sin in the picture. Lucifur cannot create anything only God can. So somehow, from someplace sin was at the door of Lucifur, and he jump on it. No one tempted him, as Eve by the serpent.
---Mark_V. on 5/29/11

The Father in Heaven created Lucifer who rebelled ...Lucifer wanted The Heavenly Fathers Throne - his pride was his fall ...after he rebelled his name Lucifer meaning LIGHT was changed to Satan meaning DESTROYER

Lucifer had a CHOICE to remain as an archangel ...not possible if he wanted to take the Creators throne

mankind cannot grasp that the choice to rebel is evident when one CHOOSES to live without the laws of God breaking one commandment you have broken them all ...easy to see - counterfeit christianity believes the commandments were done away with ...and REBEL just as Satan did ...unknowingly serving the god of this world 2Corin 4:4 who is Satan the devil
---Rhonda on 5/28/11

Bill-willa, I agree with you very much concerning the enemy in times past. He was sinless, with a pure nature that was good. He was created perfect. Yet he still sinned. We know why people today sin, because they are born of Adam with a fallen nature. Everyone in heaven did not have that fallen nature. Fallen nature did not exist. And nothing can happen without the knownledge and permission of God. So for sin to enter the picture of life, it had to have the approval of God. He did not make him sin, He just allowed him to. For God had power to stop sin there, but allowed it to go on as He does to this day. The question is, how was he able to sin when he had no fallen nature? I've read lots of books on these subject and no one has an answer.
---Mark_V. on 5/28/11

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Without tension stories can be quite boring, even if they pretend to be based on past historical events.---atheist on 5/26/11

Without tension, some lives can be quite boring, even if they pretend to be based on the good of other human beings.
---aka on 5/28/11

Lucifer was created a being which the Bible says was the seal of perfection, it was full of wisdom and beautiful
to boot.
BUT Lucifer was also created with the fredom of choice and
that's where he changed to be-come the devil. His beauty led him to lift himself above God, (Pride) his wisdom became corrupted and his attitude led hm to bring about war in heaven and the fall of 1/3rd of the angels,a fairly large rebelion.
---Jan on 5/27/11

God created all creatures including angles including Satin and had total for knowledge of what he would be come.
---Blogger9211 on 5/27/11

Only God!
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
But the earth is still without form, and void. and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

Does the world know God? No, its without form and void! And in darkness.
But, you say you can pick the light. How, if you dont know it?
So long as you believe you can do good, you are in darkness.

Im sorry, but arent you the ones who can pick good. Then arent you first.
Is this not true?

Gen 1:3:
Now you can pick the light.
But you still wont.
Joh 3:19-21
---TheSeg on 5/27/11

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"I believe this passage means (in context to what the entire Bible says about Holy God) that He created the conditions for evil when He made angels & mankind with the "free-will ability to choose, & do good or evil acts".

That is a fine exposition, and it rings true, true to my heart and my understanding!
---Nana on 5/27/11

scripture clearly tells us that nothing was made that he didnt make,so the answer is everything you can see,and everything you cant see HE MADE.A nd that it is buy his will it all works.
---tom2 on 5/27/11

the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY created everything,For HIS glory :D
---kevin5443 on 5/27/11

Satan was in Heaven. And even in such perfect surroundings, still he became able to do what he did. Heaven wasn't good enough for him, the way it was, so he tried to change it. This shows how stupid sin can be.

I find it "interesting" that Satan could be where all was about God and love, yet he somehow managed to become able to go against it. If he had a good nature, to start, I don't think his good nature by itself could have made him evil enough to do what he did.

So, there is more to this. But God does not waste anything. He uses the devil, and it can be like how Joseph (Genesis 37-50) took advantage of his bad circumstances . . . while Satan did the opposite with all so good as Heaven.
---Bill_willa6989 on 5/27/11

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Nana: I humbly suggest you not dialogue with the devil. Instead, Scripture says, "...Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Jas. 4:7

You referenced Is. 45:7. I believe this passage means (in context to what the entire Bible says about Holy God) that He created the conditions for evil when He made angels & mankind with the "free-will ability to choose, & do good or evil acts". I believe this is how the Lord guides/trains/teaches us to growup in understanding & knowledge of Him, & mature in wisdom as to who we are to be in Him.
---Leon on 5/27/11


A bit touchy?

Since you are telling Leon how things are, he is last and you first.
Here is the line:
Luke 22:26 "But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he that is chief, as he that doth serve."

As for the rest of your angry remark, be angry at yourself!!!!

You say:
"Not one man has chosen to do good, not one!
So, youre going to tell me man can pick good?"

Why fuzz you at me? Didn't you just say that no one can pick good?
Did I pick the wrong thing to say and offend you? Why, take your own medicine.

Are we done now?
---Nana on 5/27/11

See Ezekiel chapter 1. As opposed to earthly art suggesting the devil is beastly and ugly, God created this most beautiful of creatures and created free will. Satan is described in beauty exceeding any woman or precious stone ever created. He was made perfect and still perfect but has chose to become perfect in sin.
Satan rebelled for the same reason we did - pride.
---Larry on 5/27/11

//There no light, but darkness is all ready there! Before Adam and Eve! Wherever he goes there darkness, he is the only light!// TheSeg

Darkness was already there and not creation. the created angelic being that we call "Satan" chose to hide in the darkness away from the Light.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Satan is not darkness. Satan abides in darkness because wherever there is Light there can be no darkness.
---aka on 5/27/11

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Leon is in charge and so are you.
But only of your own mouth or do you now speak for Leon?
Line, what line?
Is that the one you thought was saying veins, when it was saying brains?
I think you made it clear, before in the blog remember?
Is there everything you care to add here like a point?
If you want to name call or play game.
Start a why I dont like theseg blog.
Are we done now?
---TheSeg on 5/27/11

"Forgive me, but I know this. No man can and if you hear it.
God has said it! None!"

TheSeg on 5/27/11

Are you the only smart one? You see clearly? Well, you should have seen that now you must go to the end of the line and put Leon in charge OK?

---Nana on 5/27/11

"There seems to be a tension at the very core of the universe. All the great religions have seen this tension at the center of life. Hinduism called it a conflict between illusion and reality, Zoroastrianism looked upon it as a tension between the god of light and the god of darkness, Platonism called it a conflict between spirit and matter, traditional Judaism and Christianity called it a conflict between God and Satan. Each of these religions recognized that in the midst of the upward climb of goodness there is the down pull of evil."
Martin Luther King

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
---Nana on 5/27/11

Leon on 5/26/11
all made by God with the ability (free will) to "choose" to do good or evil.

All God made that has the ability to think they have freewill, choose to do good or evil.
But youll say no to this for, whatever.
Mostly because its something you believe, right!

Forgive me, but I know this. No man can and if you hear it.
God has said it! None!
Yes, I am sure you can say a lot of things.
But, God said none! If its ok with you, dont change this.

Not one man has chosen to do good, not one!
So, youre going to tell me man can pick good?

Im going to tell you, No! I knew you couldnt.
---TheSeg on 5/27/11

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God most certainly did not create the devil! He created the archangel Lucifer. Lucifer, of a free will, "chose" to become self-centered & worshipped himself. The end result of his great personal pride ("I" trouble, vanity) made him into the devil/satan (slanderer/accuser/adversary). Is. 14:12-15 ~ Ez. 28:13-19
---Leon on 5/26/11

The character, "the Devil" was added to the storyline just as "God" was added to the storyline. Both were created, that is imagined, by quite human storytellers. Having a protagonist, "God" and an antagonist, "the Devil" makes stories more interesting and adds "tension." Without tension stories can be quite boring, even if they pretend to be based on past historical events.
---atheist on 5/26/11

Seq: Angel creatures, as well as we human creatures, were all made by God with the ability (free will) to "choose" to do good or evil. Our personal choices affect us (man & angels) for either good or evil.

Your conclusion "makes" no sense. God did indeed make everything! Jn. 1:1-3 Angels & mankind can only by attitude "make choices". The devil, formerly an esteemed angel, is now a fallen angel. He's still an angel despite his chosen attitude!
---Leon on 5/26/11

So many are going to say, no!
God made an angel and it went bad.
So than God didn't make everything, some things were made by themselves or itself.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

There no light, but darkness is all ready there! Before Adam and Eve!
Wherever he goes there darkness, he is the only light!

Now if God says everything work for good. Hay, deal with it.
Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

He's so great! Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Go ahead say, my eye's not.
---TheSeg on 5/26/11

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Yes, but not AS the Devil.

Lucifer rebelled, and thus earned the name Satan, or enemy.

However, remember that Satan is NOT the opposite of God, nor never will or ever can be.

That's because God is UNCREATED and Satan is a creature. Rather, he is the opposite of the Archangel Michael.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/11

Yes, God created the devil. The devil used to be an archangel of worship (music, dance, acting, arts, etc.), but he claimed he was God and even higher than God (creating rebellion against God), and God kicked him out of Heaven, and he is now the devil. God created him to lead worship of Himself (God), but he instead turned that worship toward himself (Satan). As humans, we are created to worship God, but Satan continues to tempt us to worship himself (Satan as God). (Isaiah 14:11-15)
---Leslie on 5/26/11

Did God create the Devil? Didn't God create everything? The devil does the dirty work. Someone has to do it.
---John.usa on 5/26/11

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