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Christ's 1,000 Year Reign

Who will reign with Christ, in the 1000 year reign?

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---kathr4453 on 7/7/11
you are funny.

After 1000 years the lost are raised, then they being deceived by satan attack the camp of the saints. It is at time that fire comes down from heaven and destroyed them all satan and all.

Just as Genesis gives two accounts of creation, revelation 20 gives two accounts of the same ONE destruction.
---francis on 7/8/11


John 5:29
And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


I see only two resurrections spoken in scripture. francis. If there is a resurrection of lost souls to be joined with satan to attack glorified saints, and killed, and raised again to stand in the judgement at the great white throne, you are saying these lost people will actually experience death three times, and resurrected twice.

Yet scripture states ..it is appointed for man ONCE to die and then the judgement.

So based on that truth, I can't agree with your interpretation of Revelation.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/11


---kathr4453 on 7/6/11

Yes they areraised from the dead after 100 years REVELATION 20 V5: and deceived by Satan AGAIN!REVALATION 20 V8, That is why the compas the camp of the saints. Revelation 20:9
Obviously they are deceived into believing that can take teh camp of the saints that is why the compass it. Then comes down fire from heaven to destroy them Revelation 20:9 and also the devil which deceived them is cast into the lake of fire:Revelation 20:10

Now I did not say that after the lake of fire that they will be raised again. They are killed SECONDS AFTER the great white throne judgment notbefore it.
---francis on 7/6/11


#2: francis on 7/6/11

"Blessed is he who has part of the first resurrection, against such the second death has no power".

So you're saying those who don't have part of the first resurrection will be reaised again to be deceivd again? And then they will be killed by fire coming down from heaven from God, and then raised AGAIN to stand at the great white throne judgement to be thrown into the lake of fire???

WOW those poor guys are raised twice to condemnation. What purpose would God have in raising lost souls to be deceived again? They are already lost. How lost does God want them to be?

Ans: REALLY REALLY LOST!

Amazing Facts by SDA's.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/11


REVELATION 20:4-9
All saints are in heaven for 1000 years, those who are not in christ are dead, Thus satan is bound to earth with no one to tempt.
after 1000 years the New jerusalem desends with the saints and the rest of the dead are raised. It is then that satan deceives them, and they attack the Holy City in an attempt to take it.

1: He cannot deceive the nation because they are al either DEAD or in heaven, and he is restricted to earth. the reference from JOB was to show that what satan does is go to and from in the earth deceiving people
2: Once the dead who are not in christ are raised, THEN he can deceive them., this he does and they "compassed the camp of the saints about"
---francis on 7/6/11




francis, Revelation 20 is where we are reading, not Job.

Rev 20 clearly state satan will be bound for 1000 years, cast into a bottomless PIT and shut up and set a seal upon him that he should deceive the nations no more until the 1000 years were up, and then loosed for a little season.

Now you want us to believe when he is loosed for a little season bringing on the Gog and Magog war, that that war is taking place in Heaven.

Rev 20 7-9 state he was loosed and deceived the nations which are in the four quarters of THE EARTH.

Interesting too, you claim all christians are in heaven, and then believe Christians are going to gather together against God?
---kathr4453 on 7/5/11


1: Satan is destroyed in the lake of fire, which means that he is alive while the saints are in heaven during the 1000 years, and the unsaved are dead.
2: I did not say we are in NEW HEAVENS AND EARTH, I said that are in heaven, The new earth does not start until after the lake of fire.
3: Satan's role, as described in Job is to tempt humans, thus the phrase wander the earth. With no one to tempt he is limited/ BOUND to earth and unable to deceive the nations
---francis on 7/4/11


During this 1000 year reign, there will be noone alive on earth that satan may tempt. All humans ( thenations) Will either bein heaven with Jesus reigning as judges, or dead./ So satan is left to wonder the earth with no one to tempt

---francis on 7/4/11

really francis, if he's left tto wander the earth, why are we told he will be BOUND.

I have scripture for that, yet where is your scripture he will be wandering the earth. If we are all in the New Heaven and earth, then the OLD is alrealy melted away, the Great White throne judgement has taken place and satan will be thrown in the lake of fire.

What bible are you readig from, the book of mormon or are you a JW? What demonination believes this?
A new one on me!
---kathr4453 on 7/4/11


Exactly how is satan bound for 1000 years that the nations will not be deceived spiritualized away.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/11

During this 1000 year reign, there will be noone alive on earth that satan may tempt. All humans ( thenations) Will either bein heaven with Jesus reigning as judges, or dead./ So satan is left to wonder the earth with no one to tempt

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void, and the heavens, and they [had] no light.
---francis on 7/4/11


John.usa, Exactly how is satan bound for 1000 years that the nations will not be deceived spiritualized away. When I look around he's doing quite well in REALITY.

Won't there be a New Heaven and Earth? But that is after the 1000 years. We're not going to be building our own houses in The New, with dead carcuses laying around.

Babies won't die at a hundred, because in the New, no one will die at all.

Paul also stated the Church will reign and rule with Christ during the 1000 year reign...as well as John in Revelation. Those who suffer with Him will also REIGN with Him.

Colossians 2 The sabbaths, feast days etc, are a shaddow of THINGS TO COME. We won't have sabbath days(Kingdom Law) in the NEW.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/11




Kathr, I myself read the book of Revelation as symbolic and an allegory. It wasn't meant to be taken literally. And even if it was, according to Paul's gospel, believers today won't be on a new earth, but rather we'll sit together in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 2) It seems to me the new earth is for Israel. God bless! :-)
---John.usa on 7/3/11


the small flock, the 144,000. these are the ones that will help the others during the 1,000 yrs help Christ.
---Candice on 7/3/11


This time on earth is described in Zechariah 14, Isaiah 65-66 and many other places.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/11
i would like the exact verse that says 1000 yrea reign from the above books PLEASE.
Then i would like to know what stops his reign on earth since many verses say that He will reign forever
---francis on 7/3/11


John.usa, sounds like you don't like how the 1000 year Kingdom will be set up. Yea, can you imaging having your water turned off if you don't go to Jerusalem and worship. Zechariah 14. Doesn't sound like Heaven to me. But you know what, wouldn't you LOVE a perfect justice system NOW? A place with NO WARS? All the earth at REST, Isaiah 14:7, I would. THY Kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in Heaven. NO that doesn't sound like anything this world has ever known...PERFECT justice, based on God's laws, not man's idea of it.

Satan will be bound, yes, so no one can say..the devil made me do it. And as far as poking out an eye etc, Jesus said it, not me.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/11


Psalm 2:9
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron, thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


So there ya have it!

Psalms 2:9 describe and define ROD OF IRON!
---kathr4453 on 7/3/11


kath4453, that is good and happy news indeed. Sounds something like what the Muslim fundamentalists have planned. :-)
---John.usa on 7/2/11


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The 1000 year reign on earth will be set up under Kingdom law. Judgement and justice will be swift. It will be so harsh in fact, it will be better to cut off your hand or poke out your eye if it offends. Matthew is KINGDOM LAW, not Church GRACE. Jesus Christ will literally take the throne of David, as was fortold in the OT. The Church will reign and rule with Him, as we are promised .Just as Moses set up with Judges etc, so we too will have rule over the nations with Christ Promised to overcomers.

This time on earth is described in Zechariah 14, Isaiah 65-66 and many other places.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/11


the answer isnt simple,scripture speaks of the Messiahnic reign in relation to Israel (eg.several "difficult" chapters at the end of Ezekiel)...its the fullfilment of Gods promise to his chosen people,the Church is included with them.Scripture says that Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron,it seems from certain verses that some will try to rebel.This culminates with God releasing Satan for the final judgement...THEN comes the new Heavens and Earth etc..much study needed by Christians,many of which have no understanding!
---richard on 6/8/11


Willa and Francis, I appreciate your replies. I do challenge you to check out scriptures as far as judgments.

The bible mentions 5-basic judgments and the time periods of each.
1. Christ on the cross(2nd Corinthians 5:21, 1Peter 2:24)

2. Christ will judge the Church for works(2nd Corinthians 5:10, I Corinthians 3:11-15)

3. Jews for rejecting the Godhead.(Ezekiel 20:34-38
Jeremiah 30:4-7, Daniel 12:1
Matthew 24:21-31)
--Will take place at the Mt. of Olives

4. The Nations for their treatment of the Jews during the trib.(Matthew 25:31-46)
--Will take place at the Valley of Jehosephat

5. Great White Throne
for Satan and all who reject Christ. (Revelation 20:11-15)
---Rickey on 6/7/11


---Rickey In all of the bible, only ONE verse mention 1000 year reign. and only one chapter, and one book.
According to this book, chapter, and verse, this 1000 year reign happens AFTER the 1st resurrection, when everyone who is not raised in the 1st resurecion is dead, and the only event listed duringthis 1000 year is JUDGMENT
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and JUDGMENT
was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
---francis on 6/7/11


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Ricky,

We are also considered "Jews" or better Abraham's seed through adoption. On Christ second return there is no separation from his body for it says "we shall ever be with the Lord". It is those who take part in the first resurrection who are kings and priests(our reward for faithfulness with varying degrees) which include the national Jews as well.
---willa5568 on 6/7/11


In I Corinthians 6:1-3, it says that the church will judge the world and angels.

We will judge and reign with Christ for 1000 yrs. Afterward the earth is renovated by fire, the final judgment for satan and nonbelievers, & then we will live w/ God on Earth forever.
---Rickey on 6/7/11


MillenniumXfrom the Latin words MILLE, which means 1000, and ANNUM which means YEARS.

In Daniel 7:9-14 describes Christ and the Stone Kingdom
Stone KingdomXthe Millennial Kingdom of Christ

The Church will not be on earth at the time, only as it is represented by those who will assist Christ, THE KING, in His Administration of the Millennial Kingdom.

The Jews will be the HEAD OF THE NATION (Deuteronomy 28:13)
They will in part observe the ceremonial law, but they will also be under a new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-37, Hebrews 8:7-13)

Christ will rule with a rod of iron, but that rule will be based on LOVE. (Isa. 11:1-4, Rev. 2:27, 19:15, Psalm 2:9)

The Millennial Kingdom shall end in Apostasy.
---Rickey on 6/7/11


---Mark_Eaton on 6/3/11

I think you and I are saying the same thing
1: that a person is judged after his death
2: That the judgment must take place before Jesus returns so that each may receive his reweard good or bad. I see daniel 7:10 as the judgment with the angels only before christ returns and Daniel 7:22 as the judgment with ( given to) the saints after Jesus returns.

I think that it is from daniel 7:22 that Pauls says we shall judge the world.1 corinthians 6:2

What I am saying is the judgment takes place in 3 PHASES
1: Before heavely host daniel 7:10
2: Before the saints daniel 7:22, rev 20"4, I corinth 6:2
3: Before evryone living and dead( white throne: Revelation 20:12
---francis on 6/4/11


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---Mark_Eaton on 6/3/11

Let me try to explain again. There are two different judgment scees in daniel

Daniel 710, and daniel 7: 22

The first one is attended by the heavenly host only, and obvioudly the second by the saints

The first happens to a man after he is dead, the second happens after the resurrection.

The first one is where God judges to give every man his reward according to his work. Obviously that judgment must be made Before christ returns. The second one is obvious from Revelaion 20:4
---francis on 6/3/11


---Mark_Eaton on 6/3/11

I think you and I are saying the same thing
1: that a person is judged after his death
2: That the judgment must take place before Jesus returns so that each may receive his reweard good or bad. I see daniel 7:10 as the judgment with the angels only before christ returns and Daniel 7:22 as the judgment with ( given to) the saints after Jesus returns.

I think that it is from daniel 7:22 that Pauls says we shall judge the world.1 corinthians 6:2

What I am saying is the judgment takes place in 3 PHASES
1: Before heavely host daniel 7:10
2: Before the saints daniel 7:22, rev 20"4, I corinth 6:2
3: Before evryone living and dead( white throne: Revelation 20:12
---francis on 6/4/11


Explaining any prophecy in a 125 word blog not easy. SO here goes.---francis on 6/3/11

So true!
I tried to post yesterday, but Revelation and the book of Daniel are so all encompassing, I didn't know where to begin or where to end.

I had hoped that through a teaching about the 1000 yr reign, we could give one more proof, to those who believe in a pre-trib rapture, that the church will go through the tribulation period.
---David on 6/4/11


the angels have already been judged and awaiting God to carry out their sentence.
---micha9344 on 6/3/11


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there are TWO judgment scenes in Daniel 7:10
---francis on 6/3/11

Where do you get this from? Are you reading from the 2nd Book of Daniel?

Only one judgment scene is portrayed. Notice the description of Jesus and compare it to Rev 1:14. "And the books are opened" which is the exact same wording as Rev 20:12

You said "If God is going to give each man based on his reward, the judgment must happen BEFORE he comes"

The scripture (2 Cor 5:10) says "so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad"

Only after life is ended can a person deeds be judged, not while they are still alive and their deeds may be changed.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/3/11


---Mark_Eaton on 6/2/11
Explaining any prophecy in a 125 word blog not easy. SO here goes.

there are TWO judgment scenes in Daniel 7:10 In light of this consider the words of peter: 1 Peter 1:12 which things the angels desire to look into.
So we know this is for angels only PLUS, If God is going to give each man based on his reward, the judgment must happen BEFORE he comes.

then look at Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

humans cannot take part in the judgment if they are dead. They are judged when they are dead, but in revealtion 20, that take part in this judgment. So we know that daniel 10 is angelic host only
---francis on 6/3/11


---Francis on 6/1/11

What we call judgment is God revealing by Books first to the angels, Daniel 7:10...

What? Where does it say these are angels? The judge is Jesus and those in attendance are BELIEVERS

Then to the saved: Revelation 20:4...

Same scene as Daniel 7.

Then to those who are lost:
Revelation 20:12...

Same scene. There is only one judgment. The only thing different are those being judged.

When Jesus comes back, a special declaration is made in Revelation 22:11...

This statement is given to John, not to the church. It is a comment on not sealing up the book. It is similar to saying, "let everything continue just as it is".
---Mark_Eaton on 6/2/11


For those of you who believe that the 1000 year reign means reign forever, have you considered that the bible actually says that this 1000 years will come to an end?
---francis on 6/3/11


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The original 1560 Geneva Bible

Reuelation 20:6, Blessed and holie is he, that hathe parte in the first resurrection: for on suche the seconde death hathe no power: but they shalbe the Priests of God and of Christ, & shal reigne with him a thousand yere.

L, That is, for euer.

Reuelation 20:7 already happened. Reuelation 20:8-9 is ''now''. Behold what great dignity Christians are.

Reuelation 20:4,6 is about the first resurrection, which happens at Christ's second coming (read I Thessalonians 4:16-17), & the Priests of God shall reign with Christ a thousand year (that is, for ever).

Have an extraordinarily blessed day. And remember to pray for Christians in Europe, Africa, and Asia.
---Kev on 6/2/11


The 1560 Geneva Bible makes it clear that Christ shall reign a thousand year, that is, for ever in Revelation 20:4,6.
---Kev on 6/1/11

the 1000 year reign cannot be forever,because the same chapter says: Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

If you take 1000 years to be forever, and they expire then what?
---francis on 6/2/11


the 1000yr. reign is the Kingdom of God established on the earth. We are to rule and reign with Christ,Revelation 20:6, until he has put everything under him and hands over the kingdom to the Father.
---willa5568 on 6/2/11


Agree or disagree?
---David on 6/2/11
Partly agree, partly disagree

I agree about those beheaded, being those in the tribulations.
I am sure that the 12 disciples are seated before him. i would also think that others would be there judging based on 1 Corinthians 6:2
---francis on 6/2/11


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Francis
In (Revelation 20:4) those who sit on the thrones are the 12 disciples who will judge the 12 tribes of Israel, as Jesus said in (Matthew 19:28).

Also in (Revelation 20:4) those who are beheaded, were on the Earth during the Tribulation.
We know this, because the verse says that they did not receive the mark of the beast, the mark of the beast which is received only during the tribulation period. (Revelation 13:12-17)

Agree or disagree?
---David on 6/2/11


2 Timothy 2:19 The Lord knoweth them that are his

The angels do not:
1 Peter 1:12 which things the angels desire to look into.

And we do not know:
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

So the angels get a chance to look into this salvation thing, as well as a change to open the books and see the judgment, and so do we.

We do NOT get a chance to say who should be lost or saved, we get a chance to review the record of men who are both lost and saved

and all, both saved and lost, will declatre that Jesus has judged a righteous judgment

Psalms 51:4 that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, [and] be clear when thou judgest.
---francis on 6/1/11


The true Christians, which are the priests of God and of Christ, will reign with Christ a thousand years. Rev.20:6.
---Eloy on 6/1/11


micha9344
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void, and the heavens, and they had no light. Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man..,
So there is no man, no mation for satan to tempt for 1000 years. Only he and his demons are alive on earth

Once the 1000 years are over all the lost dead are raised:Revelation 20:5

Now satan deceives them all and get them to attact the New jerusalem

Revelation 20:7-9

Then fire comes down from haven ( this is the lake of fire) and all the wicked are destroyed ANd Christ reigns on earth for ever.

Do not get the 1000 year reign of the saints as judges with christ ( in heaven), confused with the eternal reign of Christ ( on earth)
---Francis on 6/1/11


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The 1560 Geneva Bible makes it clear that Christ shall reign a thousand year, that is, for ever in Revelation 20:4,6.

Gog and Magog deceived in Revelation 20:8 is "now". Islamists have compassed about the Saints.

When having conversations with my Pre-Tribulation Baptist friends about how wrong the Pre-Trib theory is, I tell them the following, "the two witnesses already came, and they were Protestants."

Christ shall reign for ever!
---Kev on 6/1/11


David 6/1/11
Once we die, then it is revealed by books whether we are covered by the blood of christ or not.

What we call judgment is God revealing by Books first to the angels Daniel 7:10 the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Then to the saved: Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

Then to those who are lost:
Revelation 20:12 and the dead were judged out of the books, according to their works.

When Jesus comes back, a special declaration is made to those who are not yet dead to keep all men in the state which they are in:
Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
---Francis on 6/1/11


francis, could you walk us through from Satan being bound to him being loosed that would lead you to the conclusion that Christ's reign is not on Earth?
I see that he is not deceiving the nations during this time(Rev 20:3). I would understand that this is the nations of the Earth.
I see that he will deceive them again after being loosed and encompass the saints(Rev 20:8,9).
What saints?
Why are they on Earth being attacked by the deceived?
Where is Christ but with His saints(Rev 20:4)?
---micha9344 on 6/1/11


Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison
(SO BY THIS WE KNOW IT IS NOT A REIGN ON EARTH BECAUSE SATAN IS NOT YET DESTROYED)
---francis on 6/1/11

Excellent point Francis!

By that same logic,
If judgment is during the 1000 year reign, when will the rest of the dead and those who are still left alive be judged (1 Thessalonians 4 16-17), those who are in the second resurrection? (Revelation 20:5)
---David on 6/1/11


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Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison
(SO BY THIS WE KNOW IT IS NOT A REIGN ON EARTH BECAUSE SATAN IS NOT YET DESTROYED)
---francis on 6/1/11

Really. What about four verses earlier:

Rev 20:3 "and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed, after these things he must be released for a short time"

Did you see it again, NATIONS.

Satan cannot deceive anyone in heaven, so the NATIONS are on Earth.

The 1000 years takes place on Earth.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/1/11


The church will reign with Christ on Earth. How else can this scripture be fulfilled:
---Mark_Eaton on 6/1/11
Revelation 20:4 and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison
(SO BY THIS WE KNOW IT IS NOT A REIGN ON EARTH BECAUSE SATAN IS NOT YET DESTROYED)

Then comes the destruction of the wicked
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So by this we know this judgment comes before the lake of fire, and before the meek inherit the earth
---francis on 6/1/11


The church will reign with Christ on Earth. How else can this scripture be fulfilled:

Rev 2:26 "He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS"

Jesus is telling us that if we overcome we will reign with Him.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/1/11


i'm not sure where it will be though

some think that it will be in heaven but the bible does not specifically say that - the throne is mentioned but where is the throne?

31 'And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory,

this verse implies it will be on earth and raptured saints will be caught up into the air (heavens) and taken to jerusalem/zion
---glen on 6/1/11


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Christ will reign for ever as King.
Revelation 11:15, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The saints will live for ever
John 6:51 if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:

But the Judgment is limited, and the part of the Judgment in which the saints take part is last 1000 years:
Revelation 20:4 judgment was given unto them:and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
---francis on 6/1/11


"Who will reign with Christ, in the 1000 year reign?" Rev. 20:4
Where will they reign? Rev. 5:10>20:9
How long? Rev. 20:6,7
---josef on 6/1/11


saints do not enter the sanctuary of God (temple), until after the 7 vials

REV 15:8 and filled was the sanctuary with smoke from the glory of God, and from His power, and no one was able to enter into the sanctuary till the seven plagues of the seven messengers may be finished.

REV 7:15 because of this are they before the throne of God, and they do service to Him day and night IN HIS SANCTUARY, and He who is sitting upon the throne shall tabernacle over them,
---glen on 6/1/11


Francis
I have read these verses and in the KJV it does not mention the 1000 yr. Reign.
What version are you reading from?
---David on 5/31/11
KJV
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
---francis on 6/1/11


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i believe all those saints who are changed/resurrected

REV 20:4 And I saw thrones, and THEY sat upon them, and judgment was given to them (before the jews - adam to jacob)...

and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus(pretrib christians)....

and because of the word of God(post jacob/pre christian saints)....

and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years,(tribulation saints)
---glen on 6/1/11


The Saints will be ruling with JESUS in heaven. But since I can not prove this you have a right to your own understanding. I cannot show you are wrong.
---Samuel on 5/30/11

Samuel
Your proof that the 1000 year reign with Christ, is in Heaven, is written in (Revelation 7:9-17)
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
---David on 6/1/11


Here are three mentions of this judgment

Daniel 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy [it] unto the end.
Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

THE 4TH MENTION SAYS HOW LONG IT WILL LAST,

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:...and they lived and reigned with Christ a 1000 years.
---francis on 6/1/11


1 COR 6:2-3 "The saints will
judge the world during the 1000 years.
---francis on 5/30/11

Francis
I have read these verses and in the KJV it does not mention the 1000 yr. Reign.
What version are you reading from?
---David on 5/31/11


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Here are three mentions of this judgment

Daniel 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy [it] unto the end.
Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

THE 4TH MENTION SAYS HOW LOBG IT WILL LAST,

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:...and they lived and reigned with Christ a 1000 years.
---francis on 5/30/11


I will not speak dogmatically about the 1,000 year of JESUS. Since in my theology it is only a small part of a bigger picture and I cannot prove from Scripture it't exact meaning.

So in my opinon. The 1,000 years refers to a time the church is in heaven and Satan is channed on this earth which has been devasted by the coming of JESUS.

The Saints will be ruling with JESUS in heaven. But since I cnnot prove this you have a right to your own understanding. I cannot show you are wrong.

Right now the important thing is to be ready when he comes. Keep your eyes on JESUS.
---Samuel on 5/30/11


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---Cluny on 5/30/11
WOW you are dead wrong. There are many passages in the bible OT and NT speaking about the saints of God seating as judges. In revelation 20 the bible tells us that this justment will last 1000 years. Other prophecies in the bible aslo have a time period or limit, this is no different

So that is settled what we should talk about is THE NATURE OF THIS JUDGMENT
---francis on 5/30/11


\\This has nothing to do with the 1000 year reign of saints as judges which is in FOUR bible passages\\

These are two warnings NOT to understand 1000 years to refer to earthly time.

How many do you need?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/11


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Know this: that a day with the Lord is as 1000 years, and 1000 years as one day.

Think about it!
---Cluny on 5/30/11

All this means is that time is not important to God. His will shall be done in due time. This has nothing to do with the 1000 year reign of saints as judges which is in FOUR bible passages


We already have the BIBLICAL ANSWER


1 COR 6:2-3 "The saints will
judge the world during the 1000 years. (Cf. REV 20: 4,6)
---Pierre on 5/29/11
---francis on 5/30/11


\\to DENY the 1000 year reign on earth is to reject Holy Scripture that states Christ will resurrect ALL in Him when HE returns and to RULE from Jerusalem\\

For 1000 years in Your sight are as NOTHING which is past, or a watch in the night.

Know this: that a day with the Lord is as 1000 years, and 1000 years as one day.

Think about it!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/11


---Rhonda on 5/30/11
Sorry you are wrong. Only ONE passage in the bible speaks of the 1000 year reign, and the sceene takes place in heaven before the second resurrection, and before the coming down of the new jerusalem
---francis on 5/30/11


The Saints will reign with Christ on EARTH

to DENY the 1000 year reign on earth is to reject Holy Scripture that states Christ will resurrect ALL in Him when HE returns and to RULE from Jerusalem

this is why so many follow false ministers like Camping and his May 21st lying rapture ...rapture is found NOWHERE in Holy Scripture ...yet much is written about a resurrection

for the DECEIVED who believe the 1000 year reign is now one only need understand their LIE by KNOWING when Christ return HE as the Prince of Peace will restore peace to earth

one is a FOOL if they believe there is peace on earth today while Satan rules earth 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 5/30/11


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This is the Bible answer who will reign the 1000 years with Christ. Revelations 20:4-6 -And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the Word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their forehead or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This leaves no room for speculation for it makes it clear not all the dead will rise and reign during the thousand years.
---Darlene_1 on 5/30/11


I agree the passage in (Revelation 20:4-5)
is paramount to understanding the 1000 yr. reign, and I also agree that the 1000 yr. reign is not an earthly reign, as so many believe.

I asked this question because an understanding of the 1000 yr. is the key that unlocks the mystery of the Rapture controversy, a controversy that we must overcome, if we are to have any hope for those family members who have been deceived.

The Harold Camping headlines and those who were looking in the sky for Jesus to return, was very troubling for many of us.
We as teachers must come together and clearly reveal the Truth in this matter.
Not in arguement, but in friendly, persuasive
discussion.
---David on 5/30/11


The 1000 years are happening right now
--Cluny

Participating in the 1000 year reign / judging are these: Revelation 20:4 the souls of them which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands,


Because this " mark of the beast" event has NOT YET HAPPENED cluny is wrong.

We already have the BIBLICAL ANSWER


1 COR 6:2-3 "The saints will
judge the world during the 1000 years. (Cf. REV 20: 4,6)
---Pierre on 5/29/11

Any other answer will be without any biblical, scriptural, or doctrinal basis
---francis on 5/30/11


This blog should stop RIGHT NOW. We already have the BIBLICAL ANSWER


1 COR 6:2-3 "The saints will
judge the world during the 1000 years. (Cf. REV 20: 4,6)
---Pierre on 5/29/11

Any other answer will be without any biblical, scriptural, or doctrinal basis
---francis on 5/30/11


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Ignatius,

2Tim 2:12
If we endure, we will reign with Him. If we deny Him He will deny us.


If we endure, as in Matt 10:22, would mean to the end of our life, correct?
Or until He comes back? Either would suffice for me.

And like the second half of the verse, If we deny Him (here) He will deny us (there).

So both of these statements consider our part here, and His part there.

Notice it does not say that we are reigning with Him now, but will reign with Him (later)
---James_L on 5/30/11


There is no such thing as a literal 1,000 years reign of Christ on Earth.

And before you starting quoting the Book of Revelation, please be advised that the book is a highly symbolic/pictorial Scripture. In order words, the book contain symbols open to varies interpretations, and should not be taken literally.

Cluny spoke the truth. Amen!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 5/29/11


This blog should stop RIGHT NOW. We already have the BIBLICAL ANSWER


1 COR 6:2-3 "The saints will
judge the world during the 1000 years. (Cf. REV 20: 4,6)
---Pierre on 5/29/11

Any other answer will be without any biblical, scriptural, or doctrinal basis
---francis on 5/29/11


The 1000 years are happening right now
Cluny

I think Christ would say something like.
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

If he a good theft you might find out.
But, not a Great Theft, did I just call him a theft.
He did steal my heart.
---TheSeg on 5/29/11


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I will so help me God.
---andy3996 on 5/29/11


The 1000 years are happening right now, where Christ reigns in His Church with His saints on earth and heaven.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/11


1 COR 6:2-3 "The saints will
judge the world during the 1000 years. (Cf. REV 20: 4,6)
---Pierre on 5/29/11


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