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CraigA--Actually, I don't recall anybody claiming that God "takes pleasure" in the death of sinners or that anybody who wants to know God, will be refused.
---Donna66 on 6/2/11


I think that few people here would admit it, but were the truth known most people are conservative in some ways and liberal in others.

Some Orthodox consider using the New Calendar and having pews and (horrors!) organs liberal!

Just depends on your viewpoint.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/2/11


Donna66 "And liberals become so insufferably self-righteous as to claim that Jesus would approve of their politics but not conservatism".

Consider then this from one of the conservative Christians here "From my experience liberal Christianity has nothing good to offer at all"

I don't think any liberal here has said anything like that about conservative Christianity.
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/2/11


---Donna66 We LIBERALS understand that a TRUELY conbverted soul, is one who is converted by choice, and by love. Not by laws and not by pressure.

That is what is truely means to be a liberal christian. To give LIBERAlLY to those in need
Deuteronomy 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him LIBERALl Yout of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress
Proverbs 11:25 The LIBERAL soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.
---francis on 6/2/11


liberals become so insufferably self-righteous as to claim that Jesus would approve of their politics but not conservatism.
---Donna66 on 6/2/11

Donna, just as you don't want to be lumped with the right wing wackos, why do you insist on lumping liberals the same way? Do you really think there are conservatives who don't pull the same self righteous carp? All you have to do is read the postings of SOME of our conservative brethren and sisters on this site.
---NurseRobert on 6/2/11




The difference between what is called conservative and liberal christianity, is the politics of those involved. And in both cases, the Bible becomes less a guide to living as God intended and more as the instrument for vitriolic verbiage. And in the process, fact and truth are lost and division and divisiveness have become the medium of arguments and debate.

It is becoming clearer and clearer that American christianity is equal to the definition of what it means to be an American. So, that the acknowledged "good" American is the same as a "good" Christian. And as a real consequence of such mass self-centredness , ignorance, absurdity and irrationality have become the context of discourse and interaction.
---Allan on 6/2/11


Alan, you have posted here, and sent a personal email to me, on the same subject. There is not room to repeat my full reply here.

Let me just say your ability to missunderstand is of Olympic standard!
---Warwick on 6/2/11


CraigA:

Excellent post!



Donna66:

You wrote: francis -- And liberals become so insufferably self-righteous as to claim that Jesus would approve of their politics but not conservatism.

Many conservatives become so insufferably self-righteous as to claim that Jesus would approve of their politics but not liberalism.

In such arguments, it's usually the pot calling the kettle black. Both liberalism and conservatism have some good aspects, but when taken to extremes, many bad things as well.

When Jesus was here, he did not align himself with any power elite (Pharisees, Herod, Caesar). Rather, he called everyone to align themselves with him. If he returned today, I am sure he would do the same.
---StrongAxe on 6/3/11


Malcom grew up in a christian home, with a SDA mother. One day the government took him away frm his mother because she refused to feed him the pork that the fedreal giovernment was issuing to poeple who needed help.

The reason why i will always be a liberal christian, is because when the conservitives make morality choices for us, they violate our freedom of religion.

I choose not to eat swine, i choose not to drink alcohol, i choose not to smoke, i chose not to gamble, i choose to be heroresual, i do NOT need any government laws telling me how to serve God.

To be a liberal christian not only means helping the poor, but helping people obey God by a change of HEART, rather than a change in government law!
---Francis on 6/3/11


Francis: Most of what you confess as your liberal beliefs is the true meaning of biblical liberality. But, political or even modern religious liberalism is not the same thing - quite the opposite!

It is the political liberals, not the conservatives, that wish to push their immoral agenda by force of government.
---jerry6593 on 6/3/11




Strongaxe, I do not agree that Paul and James had diverse views. Both believed in salvation by faith and James pointed out works are the proof of salvation. Proof that someone is saved-past tense.

Ever heard of figures of speech? Right hand man, sunrise, raining cats and dogs.

Believers have eternal life so never die.

God in the OT met and walked and talked with Adam and Eve. And others. That's quite intimate.

Baptism is a sign of repentance, isn't it, not its cause.

The OT does not teach an after life? Who met with Jesus at His transfiguration?

Why shouldn't we meet together?

Higher criticism is organized scepticism. Would you stand before God and say you are sceptical of Him?
---Warwick on 6/3/11


Jesus was a conservative. He taught as much about personal responsibility as he did charity. He taught that a man should be responsible for his own household and for his own sins. Gal 6:7 Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

---Donna66 on 6/1/11

Interestingly, if God made MAN responsible for his own sin, then God made man responsible to receive His Son, not only for the Forgivness of sin, which includes power over sin.

So donna66, does Jesus being a conservative mean He wasn't a Calvinist?
---kathr4453 on 6/3/11


Francis
The real problem is seperation of the GOD and AMERICA.
---Paul on 6/3/11


francis -- And liberals become so insufferably self-righteous as to claim that Jesus would approve of their politics but not conservatism.

In so doing, they misrepresent BOTH political parties and Jesus as well!
---Donna66 on 6/2/11


Then surely Donna you can understand the anger (which stems from hurt) that comes from those who defend Gods honor and holy nature when certain bloggers claim he takes pleasure in the death of sinners by handpicking them to damnation with no chance at repentance and forgiveness. He has claimed numerous times in his holy word that He does not have pleasure in death, but would rather men repent so they can be forgiven and live.

He expressed the depth of that love in Jesus Christ so that no man has to perish. I find it insulting to my Savior for someone to claim his precious blood wasnt shed for all mankind as his word says it was. They dont even know the danger they place themselves in spreading such lies.
---CraigA on 6/2/11


CraigA-- very good post. I also believe that the truth lies in the middle between hypercalvinism and Arminianism.
And most Christians as well, fit somewhere along this continuum. I do get a bit exercised when I hear Calvinism called "evil". That's why, on these blogs, anyway, I am a defender of Calvinism (not hypercalvinism)
---Donna66 on 6/2/11


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The problem I see with Conservative Christians is they fail to seperate G.O.P from GOD
---francis on 6/2/11


Kathr: "Box 3, is the NEW CREATURE in Christ. The box 3 christian is crucified to this world, and the world to them. They are no longer part of this world system. They have been translated OUT of this present evil age into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ..the one Jesus said..MY KINGDOM is not of this world or world system."
AMEN!
---christina on 6/2/11


Well said Kathr. I also believe the real truth lies in the middle between hypercalvinism and arminianism. But as is typically the case, those who are of the extreme have their beliefs rooted in fear and are afraid that taking truths from each side would make them "lukewarm". I had problems with that in the past, but as I mature in Christ I can see bits of truth in each denomination. I dont think any one sect has all the answers. Maybe thats the way its supposed to be. All parts of the one body and yet the hand is smacking the foot and the finger is gouging out our eye. Each one fighting to be the most important part of the body when the most important part is Jesus Christ and He is the head.
---CraigA on 6/2/11


The problem I see with Conservative Christians is they fail to understand Jesus words "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD".

Conservative christianity today is more about politics, not believing in the separation of church and state.

And are just as CREATIVE with manipulating God's word as anyone else one may call liberals.

They're for the most part are legalists, loving war, who in their selfrighteous way believe THEY are going to change the world for better.

Not according to 2 Timothy 3.




---kathr4453 on 6/2/11


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Just as we have those who put christians in box 1 or box 2, fail to see box 3, we have those who put you in box 1 or 2, calvinist, arminian, liberal or conservative again failing to see box 3....NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Box 3, is the NEW CREATURE in Christ. The box 3 christian is crucified to this world, and the world to them. They are no longer part of this world system. They have been translated OUT of this present evil age into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ..the one Jesus said..MY KINGDOM is not of this world or world system.

They, believing scripture KNOW this is all coming to an end go out and preach the Gospel to lost souls.
---kathr4453 on 6/2/11


Warwick ... You earlier said to me "liberal Christianity has nothing good to offer at all" Yet your list now does include some good things ... which even you find good:

* diversity of opinion (you have shown yourself to differ from other Christians in some matters)

* an intimate, personal, (note you only say and sometimes ambiguous view of God) Perhaps though you don't think we should have such a relationship with Him?

* an emphasis on inclusive fellowship and community ... You clearly participate in such fellowship

Just because someone disagrees with yuo on ane point, does ot mean they are wrong on everything & you yourself are evidence of this
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/2/11


---Warwick on 6/2/11
I appreciate your defining of liberal.

This is what it measn to me:

I am a christian and follow God's every word. I also accept the fact that others do not. I do not wish to convert them by government laws as conservitives do, nor do I wish to force them into believing as I do. I will love the sinner and not his sin. I will not deny someone food, shelter, medical care, employment, insurance or clothing because of his personal religious beliefs or lifestyle. I will help the poor by every means availale church or state, I will continue to share the love of God with everyone, and the plan of salvation without promising them a place in hell. That to me is what it mens to me: To love thy neighbour as thyself.
---francis on 6/2/11


\\Quit trying to play politics with Jesus.\\

My sentiments exactly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/2/11


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Warwick:

* The apostles had diverse opinions (faith alone (Paul) vs. faith plus works (James), etc.)

* Much scripture CANNOT be literal. Is the Beast a one-headed man, or a 7-headed reptile? "I am the vine" Was Jesus made of flesh, or wood ? "Those who believe in me will never die", so why do churches have cemetaries?

* God in NT is more intimiate and personal than in OT. The two conflict, hence ambiguous.

* Is baptism required? If not, why MUST we do it? If so, what about the thief on the cross?

* NT teaches an afterlife, OT does not. Which is "non-traditional"?

* Paul taught "Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves".

* True can withstand scrutiny.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/11


The following is quite close to what I have held to be characteristics of liberal Christian's beliefs.

Liberal Christianity, Progressive Christianity or Liberalism is movement of Christianity that is characterised by these points,

* diversity of opinion

* less emphasis on the literal interpretation of Scripture

* an intimate, personal, and sometimes ambiguous view of God

* wider scope in their views on salvation (including universalist beliefs)

* non-traditional views on heaven and hell

* an emphasis on inclusive fellowship and community

* an embracing of higher criticism of the Bible.

---Warwick on 6/2/11


In all these posts there is still not a definition of what is a liberal Christian. According to certain posters, it does not exist.

I sure there are those who say the same thing about "conservative" Christians?

Donna, you have issues with people disparaging conservatives, but seem to have no problems with those disparaging liberals. Why is that?

And I don't think you are so naive as to believe that this thread isn't politically based.




---NurseRobert on 6/1/11


---Donna66 on 6/1/11

This is the highest form of hypocracy!!!

We claim that we are a christian nation, but when it come to our christian duty as a nation to the poor, the hypocrites / conservitives turn it over to the church, and the church defends the sins of the conservitives by saying that care for the poor must be done by the church not the government.

So we are only a christian nation in name only, not in works?
---francis on 6/1/11


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Each go to their separate churches, and then afterward come back together after their services are over.
---Eloy on 6/1/11


Francis, Cluny,
Jesus never suggested that Christians defer their OWN responsibility (for the poor) to the government. Statistics show that those who think it is the government's responsibility to care for the needy, are far less generous themselves.

Quit trying to play politics with Jesus.
Start a political blog if you want to disparage conservatives.
---Donna66 on 6/1/11


Many people confuse them. In fact, many things considered being socially and politically conservative go directly against what our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ Himself actually commanded.
---Cluny on 6/1/11

this is very very true
---francis on 6/1/11


Donna66:

"conservative" and "liberal" mean different things to conservatives and liberals. This muddies the waters.
"liberal" is used several times in the Bible, and almost always in a good way.

Part of the conservative mindset is "you must be personally responsible for your life" (true), which implies "you reap what you sow" (partially true), which leads to "you deserve anything bad that is coming to you" (only true some of the time). Jesus never turned poor people away by saying "You are responsible for your own poor circumstances".

While we must be strictly accountable for our own actions, Jesus did not call us to be accountants for others.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/11


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Jesus is GOD, who is neither conservative or liberal. He's not a republican or democrat. He's not a Baptist, Church of God, CAtholic SDA or calvinist.

Why are we bringing God down to our level?
---kathr4453 on 6/1/11


Jesus was a conservative. He taught as much about personal responsibility as he did charity. He taught that a man should be responsible for his own household and for his own sins. Gal 6:7 Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

To call Jesus a "liberal" because He taught forgiveness and the need to give to the poor, is to give a very incomplete and unbalanced picture of our Lord.
(He is Lord of both conservatives and liberals)
---Donna66 on 6/1/11


Pat Robinson, along with many others are those very people we are warned about in 2 Corinthians Chapter Eleven.
---Rob on 6/1/11


Mike I believe you step into a mine-field when you equate political conservatives with Biblical conservatives. Certainly some conservative politicians are Christians, even conservative Christians. But not all are, and remember we are dealing with politicians.

A Biblical conservative believes that the Bible is God's inerrant word for us, our absolute authority. It has nothing to do with membership of any political party. And praise God for that!
---Warwick on 6/1/11


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Strong Axe


LC is based upon reasoning and rationality as opposed to what the scriptures reflect, not philosophical views as much as a moral system primarily based upon social situations.

You see Jesus didnt come to reason out the Scriptures but to do what the Father asked of Him, not what He rationalized but what He saw of the Father.

Pharisees were traditionalistic ceremonial zealots who had no inclination to Christianity or Gods kingdom but rather were professional propagandists motivated by self righteousness and greed.

CC can be overzealous at times but for the most part desire to be part of the solution. LC often overlook the most important part of humanity, the soul.

World or soul?
Paul
---paul on 6/1/11


LC is a method of biblical hermeneutics which interprets the scriptures as an ancient writing as opposed to spiritual insight.

Scriptures cant be understood by this method for they were not written by this method.
2 Tim 3:16

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---paul on 6/1/11


Could I point out that being a conservative Christian is NOT the same thing as being a social or political conservative?

Many people confuse them. In fact, many things considered being socially and politically conservative go directly against what our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ Himself actually commanded.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/11


bush, obama, robertson are reported to be christians, but are they of christ?
---aka on 6/1/11


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Are we discussing liberal theology or liberal politics? I am a conservative Christian theologically, but liberal politically.
---Trish on 6/1/11


donna66

why don't you watch Pat robertson 0700 club. he speaks as if conservatives are the only 'holy' people. bush wasted $1.8 TRILLION but robertson SUPPORTED the iraq war 2003-08
but when obama moved troops to afganistan, robertson accused him of 'another vietnam'.
robertson accused obama of being 'socialist' but bush cronies destroyed america with greed power.
bush asked for $700 billion bailout.
finally, robertson said that people hate bush bec. he is a christian.
---mike on 6/1/11


donna66

christ went out in the fields with the dirty poor sick suffering. healed the sick on sabbath (pharisess & pastors say 'that is a sin).
pharisees where in their luxurious palaces & position they forgot to help the unfortunate
---mike on 6/1/11


John: You are an insulting jerk. Only the self-righteous religious phonies seem to be welcomed here.

You owe me some apologies for those lies you stated. I confronted you more than once and if you were a real Christian then you would apologize for what you have done wrong.
---poopsey on 6/1/11


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Pat robertson claims that conservation, regulation is 'liberal' job killer.
what happened to the toxic toys from china.
Pat robertson would rather destroy the environment, pollute water, air so he can defend oil companies who supposedly create jobs.
---mike on 6/1/11


I must agree with what Mike and John have written, because what they have written in the TRUTH.

There are many so called churches which claim to be "CHRISTIAN" but they are so far from it.

They will not speak GOD'S TRUTHS because sometimes the truth does hurt, and people would rather gather at places where their ears will be tickled.
---Rob on 6/1/11


Good to see you're still at your job as our "Resident Spellchecker" Cluny!

For your "Proof" Review the proceedings of the Clinton Appointees. Hand pick by Hillary. Including their books and papers on this subject. That was when their intentions became more widely known. As Donna Sheilea(Spell-check it)wrote... "A utopia without men! Only woman breeding/nurturing children"
Also review the Manifesto of the NOW gang. Then do your own further research, since you can spell now.

BUT SATAN I WILL NOT BUY THE BAIT AND GO DOWN YOUR DIVERSIONARY TANGENT TO REMOVE THE SPOTLIGHT OFF YOU AND YOU CULT!

EVIL IS EVIL!!! CASE CLOSED!!!

When is you next Spelling Bee Cluny? My last one I was 6 yrs old.
---John on 6/1/11


"Liberal and conservitive are POLITICAL terms first used to descibe the entitlement policy of each perty. The liberals believed that we should spend LIBERALLY ( meaning have as many programs and spend money) to help the poorest of Americans"

Generaous as we are in the UK, we have never believed that!!
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/1/11


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Cluny, you are again acting the pedant. Having done proofreading professionally for a number of years, I learned that there is not a great correlation between spelling ability and intellectual acumen.
---John.usa on 6/1/11


Liberal and conservitive are POLITICAL terms first used to descibe the entitlement policy of each perty. The liberals believed that we should spend LIBERALLY ( meaning have as many programs and spend money) to help the poorest of Americans. The covservitives believe that we should not have entitlement programs.

In this case the liberals are the Godly ones

Deuteronomy 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: [of that] wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.

---francis on 6/1/11


Hi, Sparrow (c: You say attend the church "or" the other church. Jesus wants us to love all people. He went to where wrong religious people were, and He met with His disciples in private in that garden. I'd say you can do both. And with your spouse, you can encourage working out agreement . . . without compromise > what do you see in 1 Peter 3:1-4? about how a Christian spouse can win a disobedient one?
---Bill_willa6989 on 6/1/11


StrongAxe has mentioned something I was going to say. Jesus and the first couple of generations of Jewish Christians were considered VERY liberal for their day.

"What do you mean, gentiles don't have to be circumcised and only undergo the rite of mikveh--in YOUR version? And then you say they don't have to keep kosher?"

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/11


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\\IVIL RIGHTS (Liberal Version)= accepted Perverts/Deviates as Good Normal People to Marry. To soon include Pedaphiles (Consent age to 5yrs old)
---John on 5/31/11\\

Can you provide any proof of this last, John?

BTW--those who misspell key words, like you did with "pedophile" generally don't know what they are talking about.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/31/11


The answers to my question prove my point ... how difficult it is to understand others and the words we use, for the words mean such different things to different people.

Now perhaps others can respond to my other suggestions:

"Liberal Christians" to say what they say is good about liberal Christianity" and what is bad about "conservative Christianity"

And conservative Christians to tell what they find good in conservative Christianity.
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/1/11


Paul:

Today, conservative Christians are very exacting about being theological correctness, and ready to condemn those who disagree with them. Liberal Christians are theologically less strict, and tend to concentrate more on charitable works than theology.

2000 years ago, Pharisees were very "theologically correct" comdemned those who did not uphold those same standards. Jesus and his disciples were constantly being harrassed by Pharisees for violating this or that rule, while they were more interested in helping people.

Pharisees resembled modern conservative evangelicals, while Jesus and his disciples resembled modern religious liberals. Even if the correspondence is only approximate, it is worth thinking about.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/11


You guys are NUTS
What exactly does LIBERAL MEAN?
What would be the opposite of LIBERAL?
---francis on 6/1/11


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liberal Christian is a oxymoron, its like a heavey feather or a light anchor.
They just dont fit, you cant be against Gods ways and say your for God.
Paul
---Paul on 5/31/11


Alan of UK-- So-called liberal Christians in the US do not take the Bible literally
1. they do not believe in(or have doubts about) the divinity of Christ. He was a great teacher (probably not really resurrected from the dead)
2. They do not generally believe in "sin"....only poor decisions or alternative life styles. They definitely
don't believe that a loving God would "punish" anyone.
3. They do not believe in Hell. Heaven, yes. Hell, demons, the devil.. no.
4. They do not believe in Biblical miracles e.g. Jonah and the big fish.
5.They believe that anyone who believes that the historical Jesus lived, and tries to adhere to his teachings, can be called a Christian.
---Donna66 on 5/31/11


Sparrow, ...

Read my post and then observe the posts from Liberals posting who are actively proceeding to distort/decieve you and others.

On command and automatically they Parrot the words INFUSED into them by their Liberal Cult Headed by Satan Himself(Circa 1960s).

Using deceptive terms that sounds like they are noble, but in fact are EVIL!

WOMANS RIGHTS (Good)
WOMANS RIGHTS (Liberal Version)= Killing 30 million babies to soon include infantcide to 6 months.

CIVIL RIGHTS (Good)
CIVIL RIGHTS (Liberal Version)= accepted Perverts/Deviates as Good Normal People to Marry. To soon include Pedaphiles (Consent age to 5yrs old)
---John on 5/31/11


Alan liberal Christians are at different stages of liberality. Some doubt the truth of some of Scripture while those who have been on the down hill slide longer don't seem to accept anything in God's word as absolute historical truth. It's all just spiritual, they say.

One liberal told me he did not know if Jesus physically rose from the dead and didn't think it mattered anyway. By his own doubts he condemned himself as not a Christian at all.

From my experience liberal Christianity has nothing good to offer at all. I am confident you will disagree.

Jesus definitely wasn't a liberal!
---Warwick on 5/31/11


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Leslie, I believe the bible says that when a believer is married to an unbeliever, if the unbeliever wishes to stay in the marriage, the believer should let them stay, but if they wish to go, they should let them go. I would not be so quick to judge a liberal christian as an unbeliever. I know liberal and conservative "christians", some of both appear to be true believers. If any hold beliefs that go against the Word of God, it is God who corrects, the HS convicts.
---christina on 5/31/11


leslie-- Is being "unequally yoked" a biblical grounds for divorce? Not the way I read scripture...unless the unbelieving spouse leaves!

1Cr 7:13-15 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean, but now are they holy.
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.
---Donna66 on 5/31/11


Mike-- You have absolutely NO idea what "conservatives" think about money or anything else. This discussion is not about politics. There are many "conservative" politicians who attend "liberal" churches and vice versa (to some extent)
---Donna66 on 5/31/11


Leslie, I am curious where you get some of your ideas, we are polar opposites on so many things lol :D
---Mary on 5/31/11


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What is wrong with "liberal" Christianity?

There are many attributes which can be called liberal ... Perhaps those who support "liberal Christianity" can list here those they would call good?

And those who condemn "liberal Christianity" ... maybe you will list those attributes you consider bad?

Then we could do the same exercise with "conservative Christianity"?

The exercise may help people to understand each other better!
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/31/11


This friend is UNEQUALLY yoked together with an unbeliver according to the Bible. This person needs a divorce, not to change (conform) to the other persons beliefs, but to conform to the Bible. Otherwise they are in DISOBEDIENCE to God.
---Leslie on 5/31/11


I do believe a liberal christian is an oxymoron. You must be born again and receive the teachings of Jesus Christ.This cannot be compromised. We must be baptized and join a bible teaching church. We must love others as ourselves and these teachings and so on. If we follow these teacings and principles in the bible. We cannot be labeled liberals.
I don't know what some people defiinitions of liberal are.
I do believe in accepting gays and people who have not come into the knowledge of Jesus Christ. I think we should show love to all people. Some people call this type teaching liberal. If so--too bad.
---Robyn on 5/31/11


'liberal'? let see...christ rebuked the pharisees who were after MONEY POSITION POWER GREED. they looked down on those who are suffering sinners.
conservatives think the more money you have the HOLIER you are.when you disagree w/ 'conservatives' you are accused of being 'liberal' unpatriotic. that's what 'conservatives' are becoming they think 'we are the descendants of moses' & you are a sinner
---mike on 5/31/11


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"LIBERAL CHRISTIANS" IS AN OXYMORON! THE TWO CANNOT "CO-EXIST".

Like Water/Oil they do NOT mix and are diametrically opposed to each other.

The reason you have such People/Churches is because they are Liberals who fear going to hell should their TRUE religion fail them.
They hope to cover their butts after death.

LIBERALISMS IS "THE RELIGIOUS CULT OF SATAN!"

IT "TOLERATES" ALL BELIEFS/LIFE STYLES... EXCEPT CHRISTIANITY!

Scripture describes them as: SYNAGOGUES OF SATAN!

Like Satan at The Garden they use Deceptive Words that have a DIFERENT MEANING, so to deceive you into accepting SATANS THRONE!

SO...Do YOU want to attend Satans Churches???
---John on 5/31/11


Define " LIBERAL CHRISTIAN." I consider myself a very liberal christian
---francis on 5/31/11


Seems as if this "believer friend" just got "born again" and is fixing to do church... as implied by "or return to fundamental church of earlier years?"

Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Just as,
Matt. 5:23-24
"Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee,
Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift."

Get the house in order (marriage) and then do church.
---Nana on 5/31/11


I agree not the only Christians are called fundamentalists. There are many Christians in many churches.

Some liberal churches and that is a proper title. Do not believe in the resurrection of JESUS or in his atoning death and they teach the Bible is false.

I remeber watching one show where a liberal Methodist Church told thier Pastor to use the bible less or they would fire him.

Another church told their Music leader no songs about the blood of JESUS was ever to be song they did not need to hear about the blood of JESUS. She quit.
---Samuel on 5/31/11


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I'd be curious to know what you mean by "liberal Christian," sparrow.

From my view point, many of the Christians on here are liberal and revisionist.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/31/11


I believe it is an easy question to answer. Which church teaches that the Bible is God's inerrant word. Not the liberal church so head the other way.
---Warwick on 5/31/11


What church you attend can be very important. lease pray about where God would have you. If a church is in serious error in doctrine, God may lead you elsewhere, to a place where the Word is taught and preached by the leading of the Holy Spirit. There are dead churches as well as live churches. I believe it would be good for a couple to attend the same church, but never at the expense of compromising God's Word.
---christina on 5/31/11


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