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Explain 2 Peter 1:10

""Give diligence to make your calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10)."

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When we see Matthew 24-25 we see when the KING separates the sheep from the goats. This is not the Great White Throne Judgement. There is no Lambs book of Life mentioned. AND it appears those who enter in do so by WORKS of being NICE to certain people.

Also at the end of Zechariah 14, we see not a picture of the NEW Heaven and earth, but one where the LAW is established in worshipping from one moon to another. This Paul tells us in Colossians is a shaddow OF THINGS TO COME.

Also, we see a warning to anyone..Egypt, if they don't come to worship their water will be cut off. THIS is not a picture of HEAVEN or even the New Heaven and earth. We are not going to be under LAW in Heaven.

AND this has never come to pass yet.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/11


Nana, Jesus said the same thing in Matthew 24-25,( only the Father Knows, it's in the Fathers hands) which also parallels Zechariah 12-14. When the KING sits on his throne.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/11


Nana, your last two post were very well explained. Especially the one which you wrote concerning Israel of the flesh. Only those circumcized inwardly are real Jews, even if the others call themselves Jews. The Pharisees and Sudducees didn't have real faith like Abraham, yet they claimed to be his children. John exposed this delusion,
"Don't think that" then laid the 'axe' to the root of the trees by saying that if they didn't bear "good fruit" through faith in God like Abraham did, they would be "cut down and thrown into the fire" Matt. 3:9-10).
---Mark_V. on 6/22/11


Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
You put it as,
'He said ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS when that time will be.'

There is no such thing as "that time" mentioned as if Christ affirmed any other kingdom than that which he openly proclaimed.
---Nana on 6/21/11


I honestly believe that Jesus Christ NOW knows when he is coming back.

This is of course just my opinion, but I believe when the Word became flesh He ceased to have the full knowledge and power of God (because he was a man limited by time / space etc) until He returned back to his former glory that He had before He came into this world.

Our world is 3 dimensional as we know it. What if God's realm has 10 or more dimensions and there are truth's that we could never fully understand in this 3 dimensional world..
---Jasheradan on 6/21/11




Nana, are you saying Jesus answered out of ignorance too? He said ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS when that time will be.

It was a legitimate question.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/11


Acts 1:6-7 Do not speak of any kingdom whatsoever to be restored to Israel. They spoke as such out of ignorance. We know that at least Peter at this time was oblivious to the Gentiles being fellow heirs. I will NOT note any warning but look with open eyes.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
There is no other peace and no other kingdom that I see,
John 17:14 I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
---Nana on 6/21/11


Nana, In teh OT there are more promises concerning the Kingdom to be restored to Israel..**Acts 1:6-7** than you may know.

And according to Zechariah 12-14, it will be the RISEN CHRIST who returns to Israel to fulfill those promises. You will also note in Zechariah 12-14 a warning to all who come against her.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/11


Isaiah 14
1For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel,/ and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. -------
7The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Verse 7 should be a smoking gun to all those who pay attention to DETAIL and believe every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord. The whole earth has NEVER been at rest and quiet since the fall of Adam and Eve. Only in the 1000 year Kingdom Reign will there be peace on earth, when Jesus Christ reigns and rules as KING OF KINGS.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/11


Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light, and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

The 'Israel' of flesh is still waiting for the kingdom in the flesh which will never happen. The buck stops with Christ and there is no other unfulfilled promise beside Him.
So kath, I see no separation between Church and Israel except in your mind through your mouth.
---Nana on 6/21/11




Thank you MarkV for the compliment. Everyone is entitled to their view and are certainly free to oppose mine. I simply share the understanding that I have been given, I do not advocate a conformity to it. If one can receive it, great, if not I am happy to have them dismiss it. I am no man's teacher, I am simply a disciple sharing with others that which I myself have been given to embrace, and for me, that is enough. However I do understand your zeal as well as Kat's, the Father has placed in some a passion for His word, and a "smoking flax" I will not attempt to quench:o)
---Josef on 6/21/11


Josef, Your 2nd post clarified more fully what you are saying. And that verse you quoted here is so profound to me.

To be drawn away with the error of Baalam is to believe God is going to forever curse Israel because of her sin. Believing God REPLACED the Promises to Israel and gave them to the Church is no different.


God's promises to the Church are completely different than to Israel, and His Promises to Israel are everlasting covenant promises that can't be broken.

SO CHURCH, you are not Esau I Loved and Jacob I hated, you are a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST JESUS.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/11


Kat I agree with this statement completely. "And the ONLY way one can live a Holy Life is CHRIST IN YOU."
If you have a legitimate question concerning my last post I would be happy to answer it. In addition to the verses I quoted to back the response I will add. "The solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: The Lord knows those who are His. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end. This [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast. Therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked. Knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God."
---Josef on 6/21/11


MarkV, I have stated over and over and over we are the ELECT CHURCH, not elect Israel aka: Jacob I loved esau I hated. Your doctrine on election is different than mine.

I AM a remnant of Grace, a remnant of Israel, but I am in the elect CHURCH, the body of Christ.

The Church on earth today is HIS BODY, His arms, legs, hands feet, as we conntinue to carry on what Jesus Christ began....bringing lost souls to the cross, preaching the Gospel to all the world. THESE are the greater works we are to do.

Just as Israel was a WHOLE BODY so are we, members of HIS BODY.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/11


Kathr, you said to me once we were not of the elect, and make all kinds of comments on that subject why we were not, now you make a statement that speaks against what you said before when you stated now,
"MarkV simply does not want the truth that we are to live Holy Lives as God's elect."

First, we should all want to live holy lives. Second, you keep switching back and forth. Your theology wavers, now you say we are of the elect. If you believe so hard that the truth is important why do you reject it? Something inside of your heart is moving you to reject the truth. It is not me, for all I do is write it, you respond to it by rejecting it.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/11


MarkV simply does not want the truth that we are to live Holy Lives as God's elect.

And the ONLY way one can live a Holy Life is CHRIST IN YOU.

I have stated nothing here that is not TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/11


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Josef, great answers. People just don't want the truth. They rather hang on to what they believe already. That somehow, it is not God's will but their own free will, when God explicitly tells us His will. The minute they hear that, they jump to oppose your views. The flesh profits nothing and continues to fight within a believer. The warfare between flesh and spirit is not a conflict between body and soul but a conflict between our fallen sin nature (old person) and our regenerated nature (new person).
Though many are believers already, they still fight for autonomy, a law unto themselves. it is the Old sinful nature opposing the will of God.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/11


joesf, is Phil 2:12 before or right after Paul instructing us...Keep this mind in you that we also in Christ Jesus?

So actually trying to amputate Phip 12:1-11 from Phil 12.

Verse snatchers will always get it wrong.

Verse snatchers are those who take ONE VERSE and come up with a whole new doctrine.

I egan telling mima here 2 Peter 1:10 cannot be sepatated from verses 1-9 or even all of 1st Peter.

Do you KNOW how to make your calling and election SURE. Does Hebrews 13:20-21 WITH Romans 8:11-14 testiify you are one of God's sons?
---kathr4453 on 6/19/11


CONCLUSION:

The True Grace of God Is Described In Titus 2:11-15,

Since we are saved by grace and not by our own good works Eph. 2:8-9, it is imperative to find out what grace is.

"It (the grace of God) teaches us to say "no" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age."

True grace teaches, according to SCRIPTURE, holy living !

"For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit" 1 Thess. 4:7-8.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/11


Mark ... On another blog you thanked me for a similar intervention on your behalf ... when someone had incorrectly maintained that you had said something
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/19/11


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"Give diligence to make your calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10)" Is admonishing the believer to embrace with out doubt the call of the Father, and the fact that He has elected His church for salvation. That verse, like Phl 2:12 is easily misunderstood, considered counsel by many, it is actually a warning against the believer making an attempt to do that which man is incapable of doing. As it is written "it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Just as He " has saved us and called [the believer] with a holy calling, 'not according to our works', but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began," 2Ti 1:9 (NKJV)
---Josef on 6/19/11


And Yes, Charles Stanley believes this too. I'm glad MarkV you like his teaching.

He also believes in teh correct doctrine of predestination, and believes in teh rapture. Again MarkV, I am thrilled you like Charles Stanley's teaching. I hope you are growing in the grace and knowledge of it.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/11


Back to the blog subject:


2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


For God so loved the World He gave His Only Begotten Son that who so ever believes in Him, receiving Jesus Christ, resulting in Jesus Christ IN YOU, are 100% guaranteed access INTO the Everlasting Covenant. Hebrews 13:20-21, with Romans 8:11-13

Those who falsely preach any other covenant are reprobates.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/11


Alan, if you have a question for me ask me, I will answer you as best as I can with Scripture. I'm not a child that needs your directions. Any opinions you give are useless unless you give Scripture to proof your points. Then I can look them up and read the context.
As for Kathr, I've caught her changing her name two times, so I know she already does that. I don't mind her doing that, it does not effect my faith whatsoever. Her religious talk does not mean a thing either when it is out of context to the Word of God. I don't question Scripture for I believe it is the Word of God, and that God has a meaning for each passage. I don't question what is not written.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/11


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Taking Phil 2 combined with 2 Peter 1:10.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of WISDOM. We know Jesus is made unto us wisdom and knowledge...Ephesians.

OK, The wisdom/knowledge is the mind of Christ working in you. Phil 2 states: Keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who HUMBLED HIMSELF, and became obedient unto death, even death of a cross.

SO what God is working in you is the fellowship of His sufferings and your identification with Him, in order to WORK OUT Christ in you, being conformed to His Image.

So give ALL DILIGENCE to make your calling and election SURE, by obeying God in all wisdom, that comes only through Christ.

If you're not working this out, He is not in you, workig it in.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/11


In short, is God working in you to fear Him? Because the fallen man is incapable of this when left to his own.
---christan on 6/16/11

God is not working in me to FEAR Him, but Perfect Love cast out Fear.

That verse does not say God is working in you to FEAR Him.

It states, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. God works it in, but YOU have to work it out.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/11


Proverbs 1:7

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Proverbs 15:33

"The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom, and before honour is humility."

The FEAR of the Lord is absolutely important.

But many do not have this fear claiming to be saved, because when scripture is placed here, many who profess Christianity DESPISE you. and the scripture you through wisdom have placed.

Those who rail against you and twist God's word, do not fear God at all, and show no humility or wisdom.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/11


Mark ... You say "Kathr, there you go again, insulting an accusing me for no good reason"

I can't see that Kathr has made any accusation about you, nor has she insulted you (at least not on this blog)

All she has done is to criticise your doctrine, and it is legitimate to do that in any discussion.

And Greg seems to ahve quite different writing style.

There are of course other groups of contibutors here, whose writing style is very similar to each others. A pity that some here deem it necessary to create multile personalities.
---Alan8566_of_uk on 6/16/11


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One must cross reference 2 Peter 1:10 with Philippians 2:12,13

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

In short, is God working in you to fear Him? Because the fallen man is incapable of this when left to his own.
---christan on 6/16/11


2 Peter 1:3-10 has no reference to false teachers.
"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue Knowledge, to knowledge control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love." For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins"
That is why we should be diligent and make our election sure. If we don't lack these things we will not stumble.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/11


2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent (Strongs 4704) that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.


Which is the summary of 2 Peter 1:10


Another word for diligence is is used in the verse:

Study to show yourself approved,(BE DILIGENT) a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Oh the depth of that verse you brought here.

Thank you!

It doesn't seem as others are as inspired by it as I am. Too many hackers here on line wanting to AGAIN, disrupt with silly nonsense.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11


mima, I love 2 Peter, and I find verse 10 is a warning to Christians. Peter states in verses 3-5 we are given His great and precious promises IN ORDER to escape this present evil age. Yet we see so many still caught up in it, all the while professing to be christians. Peter goes on to WARN of these false teachers here in this present evil age, who have snuck into our churches.

We are to be DILIGENT that is, doing our part not only to stand against false teachers, but to diligently grow in the Grace and Knowledge of Jesus Christ to stand strong ourselves in these times, and well as in his time.

Peter before he knew he was about to die, had this urgent message on his heart...
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11


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Kathr, there you go again, insulting an accusing me for no good reason. Then you attack Calvin, who has been dead for centuries. Again, you talk a lot with no context to anything you say. All that spiritual talk is just talk, putting whatever passages you want to sound very religious. I have not spoken of the death of Christ, or the spiritual death a believer finds himself in. I don't need an explanation for what is literal and what is not. It seems you do. You and Greg must live in the same house. Just maybe you in him and him in you.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/11


"Interesting to look up all scripture too that uses the word diligence. No it doesn't mean ASSURANCE" this statement is very interesting.
---mima on 6/14/11


Diligence: the care or attention expected by the law in doing something such as fulfilling the terms of a contract.

Oh my, have we failed to look at the word diligence.

I looked it up in Strongs.


Interesting to look up all scripture too that uses the word diligence. No it doesn't mean ASSURANCE!


Hebrews 6:11
And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:


It's something WE DO...totally against the Calvin concept:(there is nothing you can do, it was already done) mentality!
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11


kathr, it appears you have brought markv under so much conviction, looking into a mirror, and not seeing one word you so graciously brought here.

Even answering his twisting of your words with so much kindness. Markv, why not apologize for twisting kathr's words? Now you have changed the subject to another objective you again have twisted the meaning.

Now that she has answered you again graciously, what other foul thing will you come back with?

Give diligence markv to make your next statement praising God.
---Greg on 6/14/11


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MarkV, Paul said in Romans 6...DON'T YOU KNOW. In other words, Paul is saying, didn't you KNOW when you received Jesus Christ, you also received His death and resurrection life.

Didn't You KNOW, that when you were baptized into His death, the power of SIN was broken. Romans 4:9
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Romans 4:10

How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11


I believe this verse means that you cannot give up your salvation by letting the weeds of the world take over your heart and crowd out GOD.

Or you can start to experiece the heat of trouble and decide to not follow GOD.

Also that by taking your eyes off GOD you lose your connection with him and like a branch that is no longer attached to the vine you wither up and die.
---Samuel on 6/14/11


Kathren, you evaded the anwere with much stuff but let me remind you that I know for a fact you are not the incarnation of one of the thiefs who were crucified with Christ. That is why I know you did not die literally on the cross with Christ physically as you said. I also know that when a person is born again and commits to Christ he receives the Holy Spirit. And I know the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are both God. So how do you separate Christ from been God? Or how do you separate the Spirit from Christ? Or how were you crucified with Christ if it was not literally?
---Daniel on 6/14/11


So mima, in light of your scripture in 2 Peter 1:10,one would have to go back to 1 Peter, to see WHO qualifies as the Elect. Seeing Peter tells us in 1 Peter, are those who have been begotten again BY the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, Hebrews tells us we are sanctified through the BODY of Christ, that we learn obedience through suffering, and through this fellowship of His Sufferings are being conformed to His Image, through His great and precious promises, being perfected IN HIM, are growing up into the fullness and stature of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/11


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1 Peter 1:2-4

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,


Begotten again = Born Again.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/11


Daniel, I said God Spirit ALONE...which would be wrong, since Jesus Christ is God's Only Begotten Son, and the WORD who was with God who IS God, who became flesh.

Jesus is the First born of the Creation, which I believe means the first born of the NEW Creation.

Since we know that the WORD was never a first BORN in eternity past, since He always was and always will be God.

Christ is the First Born of the New Creation, not only in Title, as having preemnence, but the Head of the Church which is His Body.

God sees me only IN CHRIST and He in me.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/11


Actually Daniel, I was saying the opposite of you. You see, when you left off the word ALONE, you changed the whole context of my statement. See how just one little word left off totally changes things.

If we can't read every word others write, how can we dare to say we read every word correctly that God wrote.

Many here deny Jesus is God, so yes, it was more than God's Spirit in Christ.

We are begotten sons THROUGH Jesus Christ, Sons of God in Christ alone. A New Creature.

So our New Birth is more than God's indwelling Spirit.

We are Hidden with God, IN CHRIST, sealed with the Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/11


Daniel, some here believe that OT saints were born again, because the Spirit of God was in them. If Jesus only had the Spirit of God in Him ALONE, then He would be no different than David, or Jeremiah. Then David could have prayed "I in them and thou in me".

Galatians 2:20,

I am crucified with Christ, it is no longer I but CHRIST IN ME......

If Christ in me is said to be the Spirit of God or Holy Spirit, then one too is falsely teaching the Holy Spirit died for our sin.

I am not crucified with the Holy Spirit. I am not crucified with the Father, I am crucified with Jesus Christ., God who was made flesh. Hebrews 2 explains why!
---kathr4453 on 6/13/11


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Daniel, where did kathr say the Spirit of God was not in Jesus.

She said Jesus had more than the Spirit of God in Him.

Why can't people read what others write.

---Michael on 6/13/11


Kathren, you responded with,
"and we know when Jesus said Thou in Me, He wasn't refering to God's Spirit alone being in Him"
If God's Spirit was not in Christ, what do you say was in him? Can you explain that with a passage? are you suggesting that Jesus Christ is not God?
And what does these unbiblical believes have to do with 2 Peter 1:10?
---Daniel on 6/12/11


John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


This perfecting cannot take place without Christ in you.

And we know when Jesus said Thou in Me, He wasn't refering to God's Spirit alone being in Him.

Is the finisher of your faith Perfecting you?

---kathr4453 on 6/12/11


There is no doubt God knows who His are, but many who profess to be His are not. This is what Peter as well as Paul warns of. Make sure YOU are in the faith.

There are those who deny we are tried to bring about perfection/maturity in our lives. Yet they will say Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith meaning He is the PERFECTER of our faith.

If my faith is not being PERFECTED then I wold have to wonder...am I truly the Elect.

If Jesus learned obedience through the things He suffered, in order to perfect our faith when we go through sufferings, how can anyone deny or say we are above Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/11


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Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Please read the remainder of those verses in Hebrews.

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.


This is why we are to count it all JOY KNOWING our faith

The author and Perfecter/AKA "finisher" is Christ in you, the Hope of GLORY.

Those who suffer with Him will be GLORIFIED toghther with Him.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/11


Mima, as to the context of 2 Peter 1:10 "make your call and election sure" expresses the point Peter wanted to make in (v. 5-9). Though God is "sure" who His elect are and has given them an eternally secure salvation (1 Peter 1:1-5, Rom. 8:31-39) the Christian might not always have assurance of his salvation. Security is the Holy Spirit revealed fact that salvation is forever. Assurance is one's confidence that he possess that eternal salvation. The believer who pursues the spiritual qualities mentioned above guarantees to himself by spiritual fruit that he was called ( v.3, Rom. 8:30) and chosen (1 Peter 1:2) by God to salvation.
---Mark_V. on 6/12/11


Verses 1-9 explain verse 10.

Peter states through faith we become partakers of His divine NATURE,

Galatians is Christ formed in you,

James 1, that through testing we by faith become perfect and complete lacking nothing(perfect in Christ),


Phil 3 also confirms by faith in knowing the fellowship of His suffering and the Power of His resurrection we pressing on to (perfection),

Colossinas 1, Paul labored to present us PERFECT in Christ.

The Hope of Our calling: Ephesians

Growing up into Christ into the fullness and stature of Christ, Eph 4.(the Body)

If these things are not manifest in is we are not part of God's elect Church, again Eph is His BODY, the Elect Church!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/11


Diligent- Attentive,busy
Sure-Confident,reliable,not to be disputed.
To me, this verse is saying for believer's to work hard at keeping their testimony & Christian name in good standing so that they can be an effective witness for Christ. Stay away from things that will cause shame & dishonor to your Character & cause you to fall into temptation. Let your life be undisputed as Godly & respectable.
---Reba on 6/4/11


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