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Liberal Versus Convervative

Liberal vs. Conservative. Do they mean the same thing in religion as they do in politics?

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Francis-- No One can be coerced into being a Christian! Christianity is based on faith. How can you be "forced" to believe something you don't really believe?
---Donna66 on 6/7/11


Where in scripture are the terms liberal and conservative used?

Unless you can find a Biblical definition, you are merely imposing what your or other men have decided.
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/7/11


I don't know if Harold camping is a 'conservative' christian but his end of the world prophecy caused plenty of damage
---mike on 6/7/11


\\Conservatives tend to take God's word as revealed, historical truth. The 'full-blown' Liberal doubts or rejects the idea that God's word is His revealed Truth. \\

So I guess this means that those who don't believe in baptismal regneration or that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ are the liberals.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/7/11


Warwick You are dead wrong
1: in this blog there are people who are baptist,or methodist all claiming to be conservitives. Yet, they have different views on what sripture mean. Does that mean they are closet liberals?

2: There are people here of the exact same denominations who agree exactly onw what God's word says ( Example Jerry and francis) Yet he is conservtive and I am liberal.

So being a liberal or conservitive has nothing to do with your understanding or interpretation of sripture. It has to do with Coerced behaviour ( conservitie) or free will obedience to the word of God(liberal)
---francis on 6/7/11




HEY GUYS...

The Religious Cult of Liberalism will always hijack positive terms and continue to use and abuse them until the real meaning becomes obvious(or better said: until the Serpents head is revealed)

ONCE POSITIVE TERMS(NOW EXPOSED AS EVIL)USED TO RECRUIT PEOPLE INTO THIER CULT...
1)Liberal
2)Progressive
3)Pro choice
4)Tolorance
5)Diversity

A NEW TERM BEING TRIED(STILL POSITIVE)...

POPULACE

So you are argueing over symantics.(New Definition vs.Old Definition)
---John on 6/7/11


Warwick and Francis: I think the problem (the reason why you disagree) is actually that you disagree on WHAT liberan and conservative MEANS. Warwick's definition immediately implies liberal is a problem.

I take it the you Francis, define liberal in a differnt way! Maybe the two of you should email each other to check EXACTLY what each of you beleive!
---Peter on 6/8/11


Liberals also have differing views on what certain Scriptures mean but as a rule reject is as revealed historical Truth.

--Warwick on 6/7/11
EXAMPLES with denominational names please
---francis on 6/8/11


Francis despite what people have clearly explained you still don't understand liberal vs conservative, Biblically speaking.

Conservatives tend to take God's word as revealed, historical truth. The 'full-blown' Liberal doubts or rejects the idea that God's word is His revealed Truth.

There is no doubt that conservatives interpret parts of Scripture differently. Sometimes for good reason, sometimes for other reasons such as cultural attitudes. And human nature.

Liberals also have differing views on what certain Scriptures mean but as a rule reject is as revealed historical Truth.

Conservatives agree with God that His word is Truth liberals do not.
---Warwick on 6/7/11


Some people are saying that " liberals" interprete the bible differently.
That is just laughable!
We have more than 2000 denominations within christianity, and what makes eachone a seperate demonination is their FREE CHOICE to interprete the bible as they see fit, without having the beliefs of anyone else forced down their throats. SO if we look at christianity as a whole it is VERY LIBERAL

Some speak in tongues, some do not.
Some keep the sabbath, soem have their own sabbath.
Some no not eat anything unclean, some eat as they please.
Some believe in pre tribulation rapture, some believe in post.
Some believe that Jesus is God, some do not.

WHICH SET OF RIGHT?
VERY LIBERAL INTERPRETATION of ONE BIBLE
---francis on 6/7/11




I am 100% sure that everyone iwll agree with me, that as christians we would rather have people converted than coerced. That is what it means to be a liberal christain.

Being a liberal christian does not mean that you accept sin in any way shape or form. Those of you who know me know that I am a SDA, and consider ot to be an abonination to eat swine.

But as a christian, I would rather have one person convinced and converted of the lov eof God, that 1, 000,000 coerced.

That is what it means to be a liberal christian
---francis on 6/7/11


Haz27 and Warwick-- Interesting about Australia!
//the Left dominates the media and education system, forcing it's Humanist religion upon us.// EXACTLY as it is in the U.S. Mass media is the same, even to the terms by which they describe those of us who disagree with them:"racists", "homophobes", "rednecks" etc. And now, if we disagree with out president it's because we are "racists" (tho race has never been an issue).We are "racists" if we suggest the millions crossing our borders for free medical care, education and jobs, should do so legally.

Revelation 13:17... that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark.. With our present dominant LEFT, we're half-way there.
---Donna66 on 6/7/11


The fact that you can choose your own denomination, accept or reject parts of the laws in the bible, and choose you own morality standards is an indication of liberalism. The freedom to choose to obey ALL, Parts, or None of the bible, is what " religious liberalism" is all about.

We ALL want that, do we not?

Not one of us in here wants another to force his own religios beliefs on us, even though we all consider ourselves christians.

That is the beauty of liberalism.
---francis on 6/7/11


The word liberal you use would be better expressed as generous.
---Warwick on 6/6/11
and noble, but conservative is NOT in the bible at all.

The standard true Christians use is the examples Christ gave us that reflect holiness.
---paul on 6/6/11
Well my friend, that fact that there are 2000 christian denomninations each with It's own "examples Christ gave " says that christainity is liberal, as each individual is free to choose his or her own denominational beliefs or NONE AT ALL.
---francis on 6/7/11


I agree with many here of the evils of liberal (Left-wing) politics.

Here in Australia the Left dominates the media and education system, forcing it's Humanist religion upon us.
Any dissenters are slandered through the media with false accusations of being "racists", "homophobes", "rednecks" etc.
The silenced majority often are too afraid to oppose the politically correct thought police here.

In Australia, the public debate our mainstream media gives us comprises around 90% Left/Humanist views and 10% conservative/Christian views.
Having read the book, "The New Thought Police" I know the US suffers the same thought control by the polically correct Left also.



---Haz27 on 6/7/11


Donna66, very good points you have given. I believe that many Christians love to be liberals, they don't want to go by the Word of God in their lives. They want to go by their rights as individuals forgetting they do not belong to the world anymore but to Christ. They want their freedom from God when it comes to their own lives. They demand it, while yet claiming God's Word is their truth. As Christians, we should stand for Christian values. But that is not important to them, at least when it comes to their rights.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/11


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If we liberals did not and do not continue to keep the conservitives in check, America would and will be a policed christian state. Like what happens in Islamic nations.

I do not what the BIBLE as to say about that:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

This is what happens when religion is enforced by government
---francis on 6/7/11


//To address Liberalism, you need to understand that it's a Religious Cult.//

a great bowler this liberalism, and conservatism is the pinsetter.
---aka on 6/6/11


I was going to try remain objective, francis. But obviously you can't be.
//Where as us liberals live it to the individual to CHOOSE their own standards//

Sure you do, Francis, sure you do...except for moral issues, is there ANYTHING you wouldn't like to legislate for the rest of us who just don't know how to do anything right.
---Donna66 on 6/6/11


Good points Donna.

Political liberals everywhere seem to have the same destructive policies. Interestingly the Liberal party of Australia is the conservative side of politics. The country truly prospers under them then a new wave of young idealists vote Labor in. Labor (small L liberal) then bankrupts the country.

Labor's main policy seems to be-Borrow billion$ to spend on fooli$h $chemes!

Their second policy is to let unsavoury illegal boat people come here in considerable numbers. Then give them free access to our legal system so they can sue us.

Meanwhile those refugees who have properly and legally applied to emigrate here sit forlornly in refugee camps.

God save us from political and Biblical liberals!
---Warwick on 6/6/11


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Francis--
There are terrorists of all stripes... not just Taliban, but Marxists, Maoists, the Third Way in China.
Force has nothing to do with Conservative vs. Liberal...
unless you think Code Pink, CLAC, ELF (responsible for tens of million of dollars damage)and Act Out are conservatives.

Liberals want to ban free speech if "politically incorrect" and punish what THEY consider "hate speech". They want to ban oil drilling in the continental U.S., and fats, salt and sugar from foods people buy.They want to mandate hybrid or small unsafe cars, no matter what people want, and insist our kids "choose" a gender. Liberals always "know better" than the rest of us.
---Donna66 on 6/6/11


Francis--
There are terrorists of all stripes... not just Taliban, but Marxists, Maoists, the Third Way in China.
Force has nothing to do with Conservative vs. Liberal...
unless you think Code Pink, CLAC, ELF (responsible for tens of million of dollars damage)and Act Out are conservatives.

Liberals want to ban free speech if "politically incorrect" and punish what THEY consider "hate speech". They want to ban oil drilling in the continental U.S., and fats, salt and sugar from foods people buy.They want to mandate hybrid or small unsafe cars, no matter what people want, and insist our kids "choose" a gender. Liberals always "know better" than the rest of us.
---Donna66 on 6/6/11


To address Liberalism, you need to understand that it's a Religious Cult.

A religion based on Humanism/therefore it appears like a Political view, when this religion endorses Government Controls. They believe if we adhere to the teachings of Political Correctness/allow The Government(Their god) to enforce these beliefs we would have HEAVEN ON EARTH.

A society where everyone will be subserviant/obedient in an Earthly Kingdom controlled/monitored/judge by Government(god).

Blindly, saving "The Kingdom of Satan/His Throne" on Earth.(Save/The/Planet)

WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND ITS A RELIGIOUS CULT, THEN YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM.
Like any religion(Hindu/Mormom/JW/Islam...Liberalism)
---John on 6/6/11


Francis surely you do not equate Christian consevatives (those who take God's word as historical truth) with the murderous monsters of the Taliban?
---Warwick on 6/6/11


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Where as us liberals live it to the individual to CHOOSE their own standards
---francis on 6/6/11

Francis

Here in lies the problem with the liberal Biblical view.

You have no choice as to what standard you will use, how audacious.

The standard true Christians use is the examples Christ gave us that reflect holiness.

If you wana start a cult or a sect feel free to do so but leave Christ out of it.

If you dont follow the Bible, Christs teachings

If you dont believe Christ to be the true Son of God.

If you dont believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God

If you dont believe in a literal heaven or hell

Most LC's don't.

You might not be a Christian.

Paul
---paul on 6/6/11


In them all, Conservatives tend to hold to and encourage traditional beliefs and historical writings. Liberals may honor tradition, but in practice,tend to adapt their views to those of the broader society.
---Donna66 on 6/6/11

Donna this is where you are mistaken. Conservities tend to FORCE traditional standard.
EXAMPLE: THE TALIBAN
Where as us liberals live it to the individual to CHOOSE their own standards
---francis on 6/6/11


Francis i think you miss the point of the question. It is about both terms liberal and conservative and asks if a political liberal is the same as a Biblical liberal and is a political conservative the same as a Biblical conservative. They are definitely not.

Biblically speaking liberal and conservative are terms used to describe different views people hold towards Scripture, as Donna has plainly explained..

The word liberal you use would be better expressed as generous.
---Warwick on 6/6/11


Samuel, Thanks for a reminder of the truth.

Scott --I wrote a post (that wasn't accepted, I guess) stating that all major religions seem to have "liberal" and "conservative" branches...Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

In them all, Conservatives tend to hold to and encourage traditional beliefs and historical writings. Liberals may honor tradition, but in practice,tend to adapt their views to those of the broader society.

Ahmadinejad is a "conservative" Muslim. I am a "conservative" Christian. But we are light years apart in religion (politics, too, since Iran is as Muslim State).
---Donna66 on 6/6/11


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Yea, I had forgotten that the US withdrew from Vietnam, and only later did the regime collapse.

It's interesting that the original cause of all the long long conflict was the refusal of the South Vietnam government, with US backing, to hold the reunification elections.

Nealy 60,000 Americans lost/
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/6/11


I am an conservative politically and a republican. I am also poor. We do not hate the poor.

I am also old enough to remeber and know enough history to remeber that Lincoln was a republican and the party of the KKK was the Democrats.

Very good point about poor definition of Liberal and Conservative.
---Samuel on 6/6/11


? Do "Liberal" and "Conservative" mean the same in religion as politics?
---Donna66 on 6/6/11
No they do not.
According to the BIBLE Liberal is noble and charatible.
Proverbs 11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said [to be] bountiful.

Isaiah 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things, and by liberal things shall he stand.
---Francis on 6/6/11


john
does it make me a conservative when I look down on the poor just like the pharisee who looked down on the tax collector?
does it make me a liberal if I welcome a stranger, help the unfortunate?
pastor martin Niemoller
said
they came for the jews, trade unions communist
& i didn't speak out bec. I wasn't a jew, trade union, communist
then they came for me & there was no one left to speak out for me
---mike on 6/6/11


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Alan of UK -- Unfortunately South Vietnam lasted only a couple of years after the U.S. withdrew its troops. They could not withstand the North. Our messy withdrawal was a result of politicians over-ruling military experts on the ground.
Repeatedly, troops were given orders that were immediately rescinded and confusion resulted. Our troops were abandoned by their government before they came home and then demeaned by civilians afterward. (I've never had much respect for politicians since then.)
---Donna66 on 6/6/11


The problem is that there is no defined characteristics of liberal or conservative in both politics and religion. Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, is a conservative. I consider myself a conservative. Therefore we must agree on issues. This is a completely false statement but you see my point of no defined characteristics. If you say you are conservative and something comes up that you disagree with then it must be a liberal idea or vise versa.
---Scott on 6/6/11


John, if you weren't so pitiful you would be funny.
---NurseRobert on 6/6/11


john

really...that is the same thing the pharisees said. you are saying that those who oppose 'your' definition of christianity is satanic.

when christ ATE with the sinners I guess you will claim that he is a sinner too
when he healed on a sabbath he is a law breaker
that is why the pharisees wanted to kill him bec. he did not conform with 'their' definition of christianity

your messiah is George bush who lied sent thousands to their deaths.
your god is MONEY profit.
and your conservative senators (foley craig) were caught sexual immorality

go ahead CAST the first stone.
---mike on 6/6/11


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\\MY point is that "conservative" and "liberal" were not as clearcut as you infer\\

Donna, that's what I'm trying to say. (And the word you're looking for is "imply," not "infer." One infers from what another implies by his words.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/6/11


John, your conclusions are outright rediculous. I could say the same thing about conservatives and their "hatred of the poor".

Conservatives are not bad people because they are conservative, nor are liberals evil because they are liberal. Neither one hates America. They represent opposing philosophical systems, nothing more. The problem occurs when these philosophies enter the realm of politics, when people are making decisions for America based not on an objective evaluation of the situation (i.e. "What is good for America?") but an ideological evaluation (i.e. "What do I think is good for America?").
---NurseRobert on 6/6/11


Francis-- Those years were some of the most prosperous in our history. How are we doing with "trickle up" economics? Is it helping the poor?

Why don't we stick to the subject at hand? Do "Liberal" and "Conservative" mean the same in religion as politics?
---Donna66 on 6/6/11


Donna ... "I served as an Army nurse during the Viet Nam Conflict.
What was right? What was wrong? A small SE Asian country kept their independence and freedom from Communist domination. (which they could not have done unaided). BUT, did WE pay too high a price? Yes, a HORRIBLE, incalculable price!

Donna, the Vietnam war ended with the US leaving in a panic, as the Communist North took over, and South Vietnam lost its independance & freedom.

At least according to our media reports!
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/6/11


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NO!!!!

LIBERALISM IS A SATANIC RELIGIOUS CULT!

That is diametrically oppossed to Christianity.

It will embrace all religions except Christianity

It endorses all perversions and Murdering of the Unborn and babies up to six months.

Its god is government.

Its Messiah is Obama

Its High Priest is the Daly Lama

Its angels reside in San Francisco.

It continues to rearrange Gender roles and destroy Marriage.

Its Heaven is a Jungle(ooops Rain Forest) in South America.

Its scripture is Political Correctness

It wishes to preserve Satans Throne, the earth, but G-d will burn it.
---John on 6/5/11


I know what your point was. I was a high schooler in a northern state in the 50's.
MY point was that conservative and liberal were not as neatly divided as you infer.
"Conservatives" in the South for segregation were all Democrats! (there was scarcely a Republican in the south anywhere at that time) "Conservatives" in the North were Republicans who worked with "liberal" Democrats against segregation.

I served as an Army nurse during the Viet Nam Conflict.
What was right? What was wrong? A small SE Asian country kept their independence and freedom from Communist domination. (which they could not have done unaided). BUT, did WE pay too high a price? Yes, a HORRIBLE, incalculable price!
---Donna66 on 6/5/11


Francis-- I will lose? No. I don't live in Minnesota and I'm not here to defend or promote proposed legislation anywhere.
---Donna66 on 6/5/11


Cluny-- I was a high-schooler in the North during the 50's.MY point is that "conservative" and "liberal" were not as clearcut as you infer
"Conservatives" in the South were all Democrats. (Hardly a single Republican in the South then) "Conservatives" (Republican) in the North opposed segregation and worked with "liberal" Democrats to oppose it.

I was an Army nurse during the Viet Nam conflict. A small SE Asian country withstood Communist domination to have a free independent county (which they couldn't do unaided) Was that "wrong"?
But did WE pay too high a price? Yes, a terrible, horrific price I will never forget.
---Donna66 on 6/5/11


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I believe it is appropriate to discuss the political stance of professing christians who equate their political views with christian principles.

I am not necessarily saying that conservatives characterization of their position is Biblical, but the conservatives and right-wingers seem to recognize no differences between Bible teachings and their political positions.

And that is primarily the reason why meaningful discussion and debate are rare or almost impossible between them and anyone who thinks differently.
---Allan on 6/5/11


Francis: How can you reconcile your political liberalism with your Christian values? The liberal political left is the party of godless atheism, infanticide, sexual perversion, etc. - all by force of law.

jerry6593 on 6/5/11

Is this your view of me, a liberal?
---francis on 6/5/11


Francis: How can you reconcile your political liberalism with your Christian values? The liberal political left is the party of godless atheism, infanticide, sexual perversion, etc. - all by force of law.

jerry6593 on 6/5/11

Is this your view of me, a liberal?
---francis on 6/5/11


The poor is NOT intitled to anything. We all have the right to pursue what we want, and should have the freedom to do so.
---wayne on 6/6/11


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Donna, I grew up in the South, too.

My point is that the conservative view in the South was against the civil rights movement and integration--and it was WRONG.

\\I'm assuming you think U.S. involvement in S.E. Asia was wrong? \\

Did you think it was right?

Subsequent events proved it was wrong, and we were merely getting involved in a civil war--just like in Libya.

But CONSERVATIVES thought it was right to get involved in a civil war in SE Asia, and LIBERALS think it's right to get involved in a civil war in Libya.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/5/11


Sorry donna, you are a compasionate person, but when it comes to conservitives and the poor. you wil lose that agruement.

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St. Paul, MN Minnesota Republicans are pushing legislation that would make it a crime for people on public assistance to have more $20 in cash in their pockets any given month. This represents a change from their initial proposal, which banned them from having any money at all.
---francis on 6/4/11


Can we stick to Christian aspects and not get bogged down regarding liberal and conservative, politically speaking?

These political terms are not connected to the liberal or conservative view of the Bible.
---Warwick on 6/5/11


aka-- The Father's Kingdom is not much like worldly governments.
What I meant was, Jesus didn't discuss the Roman occupation of Jerusalem (though he prophesied about it) He acknowledged conflicts between Pharisees and Sadducees, but didn't choose sides. Such was the politics of His day.
---Donna66 on 6/5/11


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Francis: How can you reconcile your political liberalism with your Christian values? The liberal political left is the party of godless atheism, infanticide, sexual perversion, etc. - all by force of law.

Your care for the poor is admirable. I'm sure you help those in need around you without government intervention. That is the Bible model - blessings to the giver as well as the receiver. What blessings to the giver accrue by the theft of one person's means (taxes) to benefit someone else (voter base) under the force of arms?
---jerry6593 on 6/5/11


I don't think He would teach about POLITICS at all!
---Donna66 on 6/4/11

Quite the opposite. He always spoke of politics...just politics that we do not understand. I wonder how many times he talked of his father's kingdom?
---aka on 6/4/11


Cluny--In the 50's and early 60's the South was predominantly Democratic, (conservative at the time) and FOR segregation. I remember it well. Democrats in the North OPPOSED segregation. The Democratic party was split. Republicans, though conservative, were more united in being against segregation. (More Republicans voted for the Civil Right Amendment than Democrats)
So....what was your question?

I'm assuming you think U.S. involvement in S.E. Asia was wrong? You really do assume everybody sees things as you do.
---Donna66 on 6/4/11


Conservatives know that some people will need help to survive. Jesus said the poor you will always have with you.
---Donna66 on 6/4/11

How well did 12 years of " trickle down economics" work for the poor?
---francis on 6/4/11


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Something just occurred to me.

There was a time that involvement in foreign wars, especially a civil one in SE Asia, was considered CONSERVATIVE.

And being against the Civil Rights movement and for racial segregation was considered CONSERVATIVE, even among many conservative Christians.

Who was right?

Think about it.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/4/11


-Donna66 on 6/4/11

I like the things you posted. Even if I do not agree with some of them, I like the respect you show in your post for both sides.

But remember Liberal vs. Conservative are strickly political terms. If you look at what the BIBLE says about liberal you would conclude that biblical everyone should be a liberal.

But when we place this in political terms, you will find that the person sitting next to you in church, who believes every biblical doctrine which you do are of a different olitical party than you.

Lets take abortion for example. Conservitives want a law against it. Liberals want to create enough resources that no one need have an abortion. Same goal different methods
---francis on 6/4/11


Francis, Be reasonable!
Conservatives know that some people will need help to survive. Jesus said the poor you will always have with you.
A conservative would rather look for ways people can help each other directly, rather than make everything a government responsibility. That does not mean they are AGAINST ALL government welfare programs.

Conservatives want the poor who are able to work... to be trained, employed and have the dignity of making their own way...not settle in for a life of dependance financed by those who do work. Those who CANNOT work will need help.
No country has ever prospered when the bulk of citizens live off the government.
---Donna66 on 6/4/11


In His day, Jesus would have been a religious liberal, but in this day and age I think, with the exact same teaching, He would be a religious conservative.

I don't think He would teach about POLITICS at all!
---Donna66 on 6/4/11


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And there's something else:

At the time of the American Revolution, those for independence were the LIBERALS and those who were royalists were the BIBLE-BELIEVING CONSERVATIVES.

And what do you think was happening during the Civil War, especially in the South?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/4/11


Cluny--I did NOT say there are NO people who try to covert by laws and pressure! They appear even on this site.
That does not make this a feature of CONSERVATIVE Christianity in general.

I think it must be that those who zealously use such techniques, though few in number, make such an indelible impression!
(Sometimes they become a life-time excuse for many to reject Christianity altogether).

The majority of conservatives are not so inclined, not so offensive, not so memorable. But they get tarred by the same wide brush.
---Donna66 on 6/4/11


---Donna66 on 6/4/11

Notice that in politial terms conservities are the one against entitlements

To them, that is good.
A time when tax payer money, did not to to support government assisted living, medicare, medicaid, and other such projects
---francis on 6/4/11


Not quite, in politics, generally a liberal is considered a person who accepts going beyond the customary established standards: and a conservative is a person who does not accept going beyond the customary established standards. But in religion a liberal is usually postive, Jesus was a liberal, though "liberal" may also be negative in expression, as, "that person is liberal with their make-up", meaning, the person has excessive make-up on their face. And the conservative in religion, usually means a person's religion is dead and has no active Spirit, they go through the motions but deny the power thereof.
---Eloy on 6/4/11


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Francis--
I am a political conservative. I DO NOT want prayer in public schools (what kind of prayer? what a mess that could lead to!)
I do NOT
boycott stores that say happy holiday rather then merry christmas. (but I say merry Christmas if I want to)

The word CONSERVATIVE means preserving what is good. It in no way relates to welfare programs pro or con. And conservatives have been around much longer than any of these. Conservatives SUPPORT the INTENT of all these programs. Their objections (when they do object) are ALWAYS in the way they are administered.

Francis, I think you have believed many mis-characterizations and based your opinion on the basis of a few very vocal conservatives who are not at all representative.
---Donna66 on 6/4/11


I imagine they are pretty much the same in both. The liberals in religion have a loose interpitation of the Word,some of them like to take certain scriptures and minipulate them to justify there stance on their liberal veiws. However the conservatives will for the most part take God at His Word and except them for what it says, I do not say they keep them but they except them as truth. Liberals want to help people and side with the oppressed but so does the conservative but the conservative gives more money to the cause than the liberal. The liberal likes being seen. The conservative puts resourses to work from his own pocket and he stands up for Gods Word as truth.
---Gerald_Kimble on 6/4/11


-Donna66 on 6/3/11

Yes I am
First of all, the pressure to put prayer in public school when Jesus stoke about prayer in closet is just one case in pain.

The pressure to boycutt stores that say happy holiday rather then merry christmas when the bible speaks nothing of christmas is another.

But do not forget how political concervities got that name. It is because of the unwillingness to support entitlements for the poor.

They opposed medicare, medicaid, WIK, food stamps, government assisted housing, and just about any entitlement program that help the poor.

Please do not confuse POLITICAL conservitives with religious conservitives.

I am religously conservitive, but politially liberal
---francis on 6/4/11


//Conservitive man would be a STINGY man
Proverbs 28:27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.//

If Adam and Eve had been conservative with God's word...yet they chose to be liberal with it.

with the ten commandments, shouldn't we be conservative?

with the two great commandments (10 into 2), shouldn't we be liberal?
---aka on 6/4/11


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The bible has two views on liberal. The first view is one who is generous.
Proverbs 11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

The second view of liberal in the bible, is one who does what is noble and not what is vile.

Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

Conservitive man would be a STINGY man
Proverbs 28:27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.

These are the politial roots of the terms liberal and conservitive. It had to do with government entitlements to the poor
---francis on 6/3/11


-Donna66 on 6/3/11

Yes I am
First of all, the pressure to put prayer in public school when Jesus stoke about prayer in closet is just one case in pain.

The pressure to boycutt stores that say happy holiday rather then merry christmas when the bible speaks nothing of christmas is another.

But do not forget how political concervities got that name. It is because of the unwillingness to support entitlements for the poor.

They opposed medicare, medicaid, WIK, food stamps, government assisted housing, and just about any entitlement program that help the poor.

Please do not confuse POLITICAL conservitives with religious conservitives.

I am religously conservitive, but politially liberal
---francis on 6/4/11


\\Are you saying conservative Christians try to convert by laws and pressure. \\

Donna66, yes, there are such people. This is one of the temptations that Jesus rejected that the Christian right is falling for--using the secular arm to accomplish spiritual ends.

There have always been people who have used the state to enforce their version of Christianity, or any other faith, for that matter. If you don't believe me, look at mahometan countries.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/4/11


No! They definitely do not. A comparitive study of political liberal vs conservative charitable giving habits in the US concluded that political conservatives are by far more "liberal" in their giving than the liberals. Go figure.

The only way political liberals are charitable is when they give other people's money away to buy votes.
---jerry6593 on 6/4/11


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//Donna66-- We LIBERALS understand that a TRUELY conbverted soul, is one who is converted by choice, and by love. Not by laws and not by pressure.
That is what is truely means to be a liberal christian. To give LIBERAlLY to those in need. Francis//

Francis--Are you saying conservative Christians try to convert by laws and pressure. Do you think conservatives don't give, or don't believe in giving, liberally to those in need?

Nurse Robert-- Yes, Both liberal and conservative can be self-righteous and stereotype those on the other side. Stereotypes are almost always wrong.
---Donna66 on 6/3/11


The man that is conservative with his daily affairs can be very liberal with his giving to others in need.
---aka on 6/3/11


\\However, as with most things, all liberals do not believe exactly the same things. Neither do all conservatives.
---Warwick on 6/3/11\\

Good point, Warwick.

These are relative and not absolute terms, anyway. What's "liberal" to one person is "conservative" to another.

However, many people confuse conservative Christianity with social and political conservatism.

They are NOT the same. Jesus Himself said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/3/11


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