Thank you sooo much Donna! :) I really appreciate it and I especially love the part about laughter being so important. :D You're right--laughter really is medicine, even the Bible says that I think. God bless, hugs, Mary
---Mary on 7/6/11|
You're right Donna, laughter is good medicine for the soul
---christina on 7/5/11|
I "seriously" meant what I said about laughter. It instantly relaxes you and puts other people at ease (esp. if they seem uptight or uncomfortabe)
---Donna66 on 7/5/11|
Mary-- First of all I had a good cry (OK, maybe more than one). This represents a loss of so many things. Allow yourself to grieve. (God understands this, even if not everybody else does...you can't expect them to)
But then begin to think of all the valuable things, the essential things, you will NOT have lost. As time passes after the surgery, you will discover you have lost less than you think now.
Laugh at every opportunity.You'll find many if you look.
Pray for God's Peace.. for you and especially for your husband. People may tell you you have courage. You know the reason for your peace is not "courage" but Christ. Ask God to help you share this when you need to. I'll pray for you, too.
---Donna66 on 7/5/11|
Hi Donna, I know that you suffered a double mastectomy (if I'm right), how on earth did you prepare yourself emotionally for the surgery? I'm asking for myself because I'm feeling devastated. I will be glad to have the cancer out of me but losing my breasts is near impossible for me to face, any advice I would be grateful for, thanks so much.
---Mary on 7/5/11|
Donna66, I am saying just that. God's plan is unfolding before our eyes. And one of the hardest things for genuine believers to do is to "Thank God in all things" How can anyone thank God when they lose a child or troubled times? When we thank Him, we acknowledge His will in our lives. God is in control of all things, and knows the certainty of them. God's plan cannot be changed by the acts of man. Before saying, "For in Him we live, and move and have our being" Acts 17:28 He says in (v.26) "And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings"
---Mark_V. on 7/3/11|
MarkV. i agree about Gods will. God can heal regardless of ones faith if He so chooses. However, If a man decreases and God increases, then does it follow that more of Gods truth, works, miracles whatever may be evident? that seems to be the case from what I've seen.
I'm Not sure why I'm thinking of Moses, come down from the mountain, his face radiant, and the glory. Time to look up some things
---christina on 7/3/11|
markV.. Are you saying that healings are always God's will. But God's will is not always to heal? That's what I believe.
(I know some disagree with the latter statement).
In 35+ years working with hospitalized patients, I've seen a very few almost instantaneous healings in answer to prayer. Many more over time. I've even known of some who were healed nearly miraculously, who were not even believers in God.
Therefore, I do not believe it is always men who lack of faith, if healing does not occur. God can surely heal anytime He wills and by any method He wills. And if healing does not occur, I would ever dare say (which is no comfort to the afflicted) that maybe God has willed that too, for some good beyond our understanding.
---Donna66 on 7/2/11|
Christina, you are so right. It is always the will of God. He heals and He saves. We are to pray for His will to be done. And God never fails in doing His will.
When Jesus healed it was to authenticate who He was, right in their presence. Today no one can authenticate that it is Christ who healed someone, but as Christians we know He is behind every healing that occures. Yet many times there is no healing, but it is not for lack of faith, or any lack of duty of an individual but because it was not the will of God. As Christians we have to except the will of God for we are completely in His mercy.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/11|
Since most healing, in the natural takes time, does that mean it's NOT of God? I thought ALL good things come from God, so I give Him credit for natural healing, not just miraculous. I've rarely seen a miraculous instant healing. As a man decreases, the Lord increases. A friend of mine in China in unlike most Christians I know in the states, and it's amazing what God is doing. Once as we spoke on the phone, my son, quite small at the time, had a high fever, and my friend simply spoke a few words and my son was immediately free of fever and other symptoms. That's only a small example, Another was a newborn at Yale, Dr's said would die from heart heart problem
---Christina on 7/2/11|
Mima you never explained the 2nd miracle.
---John on 7/2/11|
Remember the man that Jesus touched who saw men as trees walking? Jesus touched him again and his sight was made whole.
That man didn't come unto the Lord himself but was brought by others.
I personally believe that sometimes our lack of faith can hinder or cause a person to be healed in time rather than at once.
Also, John said He must increase and I must decrease. There are some of us that see the Lord increase in us and as he does the good Lord heals various parts of our bodies as well as healing our spirit. This I believe falls within growing in faith from a babe to child to full age.
In my life I have had some areas healed over time as I came to a further understanding.
---Del on 6/25/11|
Agreed. I never implied that idols heal - merely that images, while often used for idolatry, do not NECESSARILY imply idolatry. Nevertheless, I DO tend to feel somewhat uncomfortable around ones that could be used by some for idolatry (whether they are of the Madonna, or of Madonna).
I do, however, still find it a bit confusing that God would allow healing power to be imbued into physical objects (such as apostles' handkerchiefs), which could make such objects inadvertent objects for idolatry.
---StrongAxe on 6/25/11|
Strongaxe, my answers were towards your quote concerning 2 Kings 13:12,13. After I had told Ignatius that Icons do not heal, I said,
God does heal, pictures, statues and images do not."
And you continued the dialogue, suggesting that idols do by giving me your opinions, when my first comments were meant to point why icons don't heal.
Lets just say we both agree that only God heals, how's that?
---Mark_V. on 6/25/11|
God also commanded the armies of Israel to kill women and children in some cases.
Sometimes pictures of mere mortals can induce idolatry (just look at how some people go totally gaga at the presence or even images of rock stars, movie stars, etc.)
I have been saying all along that it isn't the creation of artistic expressions that is wrong in and of itself - it is the worship of them that is wrong. Now it sounds like you are saying the same thing. So what are we arguing about?
---StrongAxe on 6/24/11|
Strongaxe, God commanded the angels and His people to kill thousands of infants, women and children. He doesn't command us to do that. What God does is for His own purpose.
Second, I am not speaking of pictures of people, or the sea, etc. Of course not all bring idolatry. Total censure of artistic expression was not the issue, the absolute censure of idolatry and false worship was the issue. Violation would seriously affect succeeding generations because the Lord demanded full and exclusive devotion (34:14, Deut. 4:24, 5:9). The worship of man-made representations was nothing less than hatred of the true God.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/11|
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In a nutshell, I am making two points:
1) God himself would never command someone to do something that he categorically forbids (Yes, I know about him commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, but he never intended Abraham to go through with that, whereas Moses DID make the serpent as God had commanded).
2) Not all making of images is necesarily idolatry. Otherwise, we should toss all our televisions, computers, movies, and most books into the trash.
Note the commandment is immediately followed by Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them. Either this is a part of the commandment about images and qualifies it, or if it is a separate and independent one, there are actually 11.
---StrongAxe on 6/24/11|
Strongaxe, what is your point anyway? That because God commanded to make an image of a serpent, man can do that too for themselves? God never intended for people to make images or idols for themselves and worship them. Or for that matter idolize it, or bow to them, or pray to eat.
The commandment against images begins with, "You shall not make for yourself a carved image .. Make for themselves, it did not include what God could do.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/11|
You're missing my point entirely. Yes, God destroyed the Egyptians because they worshipped OTHER GODS, and the idols themselves. He destroyed the Golden Calf - becuse the Israelites were worshipping THE CALF itself. Yet he himself commanded the construction of the Brass Serpent - he did not command anyone to worship it.
---StrongAxe on 6/23/11|
Strongaxe, what really matters is what God thinks.
The ten plagues God sent upon Egypt were in response to Pharaoh's refusal to let Israel go and were designed to "bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt" (Exo. 12:12). The Egyptians had gods for everyhing. When God send the plagues, He exposed the Egyptian gods as utterly useless. They couldn't defend or deliver the people who worshipped them. It is against this background that we need to hear the commandment prohibiting the making of sacred images and worshipping them.
God is not slow in expressing His opposition to the use of sacred images. Because no image can convey who God is. No image of Jesus no matter how magnificent it is can capture the nature of the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/11|
It all depends one's understanding. An image can be a focus, or a replacement for someone else. If you travel and phone your wife, she knows you aren't in the phone. But if she holds the phone up to your dog, it thinks you're really there.
Objects are the same. Some treat them as focuses for attention (like photos of loved one in our desks and wallets), while others erroneously believe they embody those being worshipped (i.e. idolatry).
You can tell which is which from people's attitudes. If you burn a flag or Bible or Qur'an or smash an idol, do they react with outrage as if you're murdering God? Or with mild distate as if you're destroying a copy, but more can be made?
---StrongAxe on 6/22/11|
I'm not sure of exact Scriptures to back it up, but in my own life, I've seen God work through chemotherapy--my cancer is shrinking and I'm praising God! :)
---Mary on 6/22/11|
Cluny, I don't know about what you have seen in life, or have been to shrines in your life, but I have. Many. And let me say that the people pray to the objects demanding miracles. And when you see a statue of Jesus, no one is there. Oh, they have Jesus some place, but the attention and prayers are to the idols. I've witness that through my life for I was one among them, buying candles at their stores and walking over to the saints, lighting the candles and praying to the saints, just like thousands of Catholics did and still do everyday even now. It is a ritual done by most Catholics and the church not only sells the candles but images and idols to take home. Jesus was left behind.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/11|
\\But it was never God's intention to worship the serpant or for people to worship a piece of cloth\\
I don't know anybody who worships pieces of cloth with the LATREIA owed to God alone, and what's more, I don't think that you do either.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/11|
It is the same with images of people we consider role models (which may include saints, for example). We can use them as mnemonic devices remining us of the values they stood foor (a good thing), or as fetish objects that act as objects of worship in their own right (idolatry - a bad thing).
It is the same thing with similar secular objects like flags - we can either look at them to inspire us with the values the country stands for, or we can use them as objects to be worshipped. Those who insist that burning any flag is a desecration seem to look at it as the latter, but not everyone does.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/11|
I've been very close to two miracles. One took Place in my own body, I was healed of diabetes.
And in the other I was told what to do and after doing it the manifestation of the miracle took place before my eyes.
One event in 25 years back the other event is about 11 years back.
I've found that I cannot explain or get people to agree with me concerning these miracles. Even the doctor who knows about the diabetes being cured just shakes his head.
---mima on 6/21/11|
Strongaxe, I'm very well aware of the miracles that happen in Scripture. I do not deny any of those miracles of God. But it was never God's intention to worship the serpant or for people to worship a piece of cloth. The serpent did not heal them, it was the looking up upon the snake, a definite act of the will, if they wanted to be healed and live. In fact all through Scripture we are reminded to only worship Him for only He can do the miracles. What God did through so many things is not to teach us to be Idolatrous. Another fact is that every time Israel fail was when they resorted back to idolatry. And God laid the boom on them.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/11|
How about other objects, such as pieces of cloth? There is even Biblical precedent for those too (Acts 19:11-12).
And even for images of living beings - God himself told Moses to hold up a brass serpent (Numbers 21:7-9). In fact Jesus was compared to that very serpent (John 3:14).
---StrongAxe on 6/21/11|
Strongaxe, after going over what I said and your passage I can now see why you put it there. Icon have mouths but don't speak, have legs but don't move, hand but cannot touch, and what you did was give a passage of a dead person who couldn't do any of those things. I get it. What I was referring to was Icon's. Statues of someone or something. Pictures. The believe that they can do miracles. I heard of "Jesus in the tortilla" which many in New Mexico said it did miracles. I have heard of many others the RCC believers and Orthodox say they have witnessed. I also heard of many who say they have brought people back from the dead, and restore limps which were not there. I have yet to see this people at hospitals to proof their believes.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/11|
Strongaxe, a very good story in 2 Kings 13:20-21, but what does it have to do with Icons or images, or pictures? What we do see in that passage is the power of God. This miracle was a sign that God's power continued to work in relatiohship to Elisha even after his death. What God had promised to Jehoash through Elisha when he was alive would surely come to pass after the prophets death (v.19, 25).
---Mark_V. on 6/20/11|
When a dead man's was dumped into Elisha's grave, when he touched Elisha's bones, he revived and stood up again (2 Kings 13:21).
---StrongAxe on 6/20/11|
\\Is there proof this has happened through history and where is the evidence that it did?\\
You first have to understand that spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
There are plenty of stories of wonderworking icons in Orthodoxy, complete with documented proof. Just because you have not heard of them doesn't mean they didn't happen.
I've given you a hint where you may start looking.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/11|
Mike, I'm sorry you thought that "Christianity" could heal anybody of anything! You expected a lot of religion.
God, on the other hand, can help you recover from an abusive past. But it's not just a case of you pray and God suddenly makes everything OK. It takes time and work on your part.
Skilled professional counseling by a genuine Christian (not the kind you describe), would help you view your past and your responses to it, in a different way. Then you must read your Bible and consider the things it tells you. Hopefully you will come to trust the God who will NOT abuse you but wants you to be whole. You may respond to this advice with skepticism and bitterness. But perhaps some bloggers can tell you of THEIR healing.
---Donna66 on 6/18/11|
Ignatius says that people are healed through holy icons, is this possible? Is there proof this has happened through history and where is the evidence that it did?
Sacred images as Icons have no power to heal, for they have hands but cannot touch, have eyes but cannot see, have legs but cannot walk, and they are prohibited by God all through Scripture. Whether pictures are material images. Goes against the Second Commandment.
God does heal, pictures, statues and images do not.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/11|
I prayed for healing for my uncle who is 'emotionally damage' he is suffering from nervous breakdown. but he is still the same. he is 75 years old
we came from an abusive father & we experienced violent verbal abuse for 20 years. my brother became a christian but he still behave as if he is still living with my abusive father
god did not heal me with the trauma i exper.
what's worst is christianity added MORE problems instead of solving or healing it.
---mike on 6/17/11|
There is a lady at my church named Carmen. She had cancer. She continually went to prayer & healing school at the church. The healing school just focussed on healing scriptures that showed that it's the will of God for healing.
Well, praise God, she was completely healed!!! She has no cancer in her body! God showed Himself as Jehovah Rapha.
Meditate on Psalm 103:3, Isaiah 53:5, Matthew 8:17, 1st Peter 2:24
---Rickey on 6/10/11|
Thank you so much Elena! :) God bless you sister :)
---Mary on 6/9/11|
Mary..thankyou! I goin' to hold you up also! N my prayers! We Must Give GodAll the Glory n' People will Know God is The Healer,yes, n Over time He can also,heal... Much more than we could ever ask or think!
---ELENA on 6/8/11|
Elena--God bless you sister! :) I too have cancer and am trusting God to heal me, and of course, using chemo and the eventual surgery but I'll just be so grateful to be cancer-free eventually! :) May God heal you my dear.
---Mary on 6/8/11|
want to give Jesus Christ the glory! Have had Cancer..Did Chemo.. Prayed n five'months /felt God lead me to just give n to Him! Left ..been carefullnot visit alot,went bk to church! I truly believe day by day God is healing Me!Glory to Him..tak' care He helps me do everything! Agree the dr. Gave me Chemo.. After 2x REFUSED PAIN MEDS! GOD HAS KEPT ME ...PAIN FREE! I KNOW GOD WILL N God GOT THE POWER O'ER TIME COMPLETELY HEAL! I KEPT CLOSE PS.51!
---ELENA on 6/7/11|
I think many of the instant healings of Jesus were done for reasons much greater than to relieve an individual's suffering.
The Pharisees were stunned by the healing of the man who was born blind. Because of it, some began to believe Jesus really was a man of God. One remarked (Jhn 9:32) Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. One tradition says that such a healing, i.e. giving sight to a man born blind, was to be one of the ways that the messiah would reveal himself.
In any case, many of Jesus miraculous healings were very public and spoken of throughout the land. Those who were expecting the messiah were bound to wonder if Jesus could be He.
---Donna66 on 6/7/11|
He sent forth His Word and Healed them. This scripture doesn't say He sent forth His Word and healed them instantly.
A miracle is instant, healing is a process.
---anon on 6/7/11|
Healing over time? As far as personality I can think of a lot that God used events to heal a person over time, Jacob being a con-artist, Moses - 40 years in desert watching sheep, Ester - coward to brave, As far as medical healing - Sometimes God waits so that He will have more glory and stronger bond between you and God, which can be called healing over time. example Lazarus, the woman who had bleeding problems for many years, Jesus also made people do some stuff like go wash in this river or pool. God could have healed immediately but He waited until the right time for the most good.
---Scott on 6/6/11|
Yes, God can heal an individual either instantly or in a progressive manner.
And God can heal people using material objects (such as mud/split in John 9:1-12, Handkerchiefs in Acts 19:11-12, and even people's shadows, such as Saint Peter's-->Acts 5:15). In matter of fact, throughout Church History, many have been healed through Holy Icons. Glory to our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ!
---Ignatius on 6/5/11|
GOD is ALWAYS the one who heals! You don't really believe that the cut on your finger is healed by the band-aid do you?
No need for scripture when the truth is something everybody knows...and experiences. An orthopedic surgeon my set your fractured leg so it will heal correctly.
(But he doesn't "heal" it).
And you usually expect the healing to take quite a bit of time.
The Bible contains some accounts of instant healing. But most disease, even then, took time to heal. Do you think that means God was not the healer?
Jeremiah 17:14 (NKJV) Heal me, O Lord, and I shall be healed, Save me, and I shall be saved, For You are my praise.
---Donna66 on 6/5/11|
I would say it depends, first, on if the person really got healed. If indeed God did heal someone over time, His ways are "past finding out," we have in Romans 11:33. As far as how fast you might think God has to heal someone . . . "with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (in 2 Peter 3:8) So, possibly God is not limited and counseled by our time limits > "who has become His counselor?" (in Romans 11:34)
---Bill_willa6989 on 6/6/11|
Karen D, there is many people who are been healed by God all through the ages. These people were not suppose to die yet, until their appointed time. Some survive terrible crashes while others die. Some are revived and live which is a miracle to us but not to God. God places people at a place where the can save another, or else God just makes it possible they do not die in the first place. All is done according to what God has decreed.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/11|
Healing can be instant & it'l be a process of time in healing.
---Lawrence on 6/5/11|
Mark 8:22-25, Jasheradan.
This is clearly showing that some healings are progressive.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/5/11|
//Well, there was the blind man whom Jesus had to heal twice//
---Jasheradan on 6/4/11|
Well, there was the blind man whom Jesus had to heal twice. "I see men as trees walking," is how the KJV puts it.
Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/4/11|