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Are Some Christians Blind

Some believe that God's Spirit does not indwell the believer, and that Christ is not in us. How is it possible some can look scripture right in the face of these facts and still deny it's truths. Is there such a thing a BLIND Christian?

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Kathr:"Try this, put your definitions where the word Grace is. We are

saved by (your def) or, we are saved by the finished work of Christ re,

The CROSS RESULTING IN Christ in you!" I just listed some of Merriam

Websters definitions, not claiming them as my own. It's God's I'm most

concerned with too.
It's Interesting to substitute Jesus where grace is.
No, none can be under grace and the law at the same time, nor should

any return to the old. Thanks for the Hebrews 10 reference.
---Christina on 6/10/11


Oh my Goodness, Greg just mentioned on another blog that in Galatians, after false teachers came in, Paul had to form CHRIST IN THEM AGAIN after they fell from GRACE.

Absolutely amazing how God works, Thank you Greg.

Now here were Christians, who fell from GRACE, and as a result, LOST Christ in them?

Something must have happened if he had to labor AGAIN until Christ be formed in them..

So this Grace one can fall from, AND this GRACE MUST BE Christ in you.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/11


Col. 1:26-28 does say it was a mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but does not say it was not happening. It was only kept secret from them. It is now been reveal. God is now making known to them.
You also gave 1 Peter 1:10-13
10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you," If you continued you would know that "the Spirit of Christ" was in them (v. 11) This prophets were from the past in the Old Testament. So you see you lied when you said the Spirit was not indwelling believers in the Old Test.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/11


Mark:
"Grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy toward sinful men." Yes! And that manifestation is Jesus, though God may display many lesser acts of grace in our lives. As you say, there's evidence of God's grace throughout history, some pointing to the ultimate Grace, Jesus Christ. Some lesser acts of grace exhibit Gods patience, love and forbearance as well as His desire that none would perish. Romans 2:4
Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that Gods kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
---Christina on 6/10/11


1 Peter 1:10-13
10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

THIS GRACE that was Prophesied FOR US,(not them), now revealed in Jesus Christ,His sufferings and Glory,(His Death and resurrection).
---kathr4453 on 6/10/11




Whereunto I also labour, striving according to HIS working, which worketh in me mightily---
---CraigA on 6/9/11

You know craigA, after you pointed this out, you made me realize that this same spirit is ALSO working in me mightily, having this urgent desire to present every man perfect IN CHRIST, that Christ is to be IN US. Paul again states if Jesus Christ is not IN YOU you are reprobate. That should be a sobering moment of examining our faith, and if we truly are in the faith.

Some here just keep skirting AROUND the subject/ trying to divert or destroy the subject and always has??

This I admit is where I get angry at those who don't want you to SEE it, by changing the subject.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/11


Donna66 and others, THIS is called witchcraft. MarkV, assuming my hearts desire God placed there is = to Simon the sorceror. Did donna66 or anyone speak out? NO!


Kathr, ---Something like Simone the Sorcerer, who thought he could buy the gifts of God. Peter said:
"Repent therefore of this your wickednes, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity" Acts 8:22,23.
Doesn't it remind you of your conversion? You had no repentance, nor love for God, but you received it all after your commitment? You were to proud to begged for mercy.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/11
---kathr4453 on 6/10/11


//God did not destroy the rebellious creation, but continued to work in the hearts of men like Abraham and Melchizedek by extending a gracious promise that He would bless the whole world through Abraham,// MarkV

Light at the end of the tunnel...
---Jasheradan on 6/9/11


Kat, "once again you give your opinion against God and give no scripture".

Here it comes...
---Jasheradan on 6/9/11


You forgot the best part, Kathr.

29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to HIS working, which worketh in me mightily.

Meanings, its Gods working will that "every man" be presented perfect in CHrist Jesus.
---CraigA on 6/9/11




Colossians 1:26-28

26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
---kathr4453 on 6/9/11


Physically blind Christians yes but if you don't believe the Bible you aren't Christian
---shirley on 6/9/11


The Holy Spirit is called "The Spirit of our God" by Paul in ( 1 Cor. 6:11). In the Greek tests of (Acts 16:7) He is called "The Spirit of Christ" The Lord Jesus Christ called the Spirit "another Helper" (John 14:10) The word (another) means "of the same kind" Since our Lord is Deity then the Holy Spirit is also.
It is said that the Spirit was "in" certain ones in the Old Testament. (Genesis 41:38) we're told, the Spirit was "in Joseph". The Spirit was said to be "in Joshua" (Numbers 27:18). The Spirit was said to be "in" Daniel" (Daniel 4:8, 5:11-14, 6:3). Since the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, He was in those and others.
---Mark_V. on 6/9/11


kathr4453: God has always saved by faith. The law does not save anyone but only points out what sin is. Abraham was considered a man of faith.

Romans 3 NIV
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Romans 4 NIV
2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about but not before God. 3 What does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.[a]

Galatians 3 NIV
7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:
---poopsey on 6/9/11


GOD'S definition of GRACE is spelled out clearly in scripture. Jesus came full of GRACE and truth.

Hebrews 10, is a warning of INSULTING the Spirit of GRACE

Galatians 2:20 is the climax of the Grace VS Law Paul teaches in the whole of Galatians.

Romans 5 again defines GRACE.
Romans 6 again defines GRACE.

And all tell me GRACE is the riches of God IN CHRIST'S DEATH AND RESURRECTION only, AND ALL that is accessable to us TODAY through His death and resurrection.

Could anyone in the OT be under LAW and THIS Grace at the same time?

Try this, put your definitions where the word Grace is. We are saved by (your def) or, we are saved by the finished work of Christ re, The CROSS RESULTING IN Christ in you!
---kathr4453 on 6/9/11


Christina, after I was saved, God took the book of Hebrews and permanently buned it into my heart and mind. One chapter particularly that is so profound is Hebrews 10.

The warning to Jews who wanted to go back under the OLD SYSTEM were given this warning:

Vengence of God to those:

Here is the trinity of thuth here:

1.Insulting the Spirit of GRACE,

LEADS TO

2.Trampling underfoot the Son of God,

RESULTING IN

and making the blood of the Covenant IN JESUS BLOOD a common thing.

1st John tells us the SPIRIT, BLOOD and WATER are ONE, and all testify of each other. All testifying of Jesus Christ in the New Covenant.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/11


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Grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy toward sinful men. There is evidence of God's grace in every age in history. When Adam and Eve sinned, God graciously intervened, promised a Redeemer, and made immediate provisions for that acceptance before Him in their sinful conditions. In the age of Conscience Noah found grace in the sight of God (Gen. 6:8), God graciously intervened, saving Noah and His family. In the age of civil goverment man rebelled by building the tower of Babel. God did not destroy the rebellious creation, but continued to work in the hearts of men like Abraham and Melchizedek by extending a gracious promise that He would bless the whole world through Abraham, cont.
---Mark_V. on 6/9/11


Kathr "christina, it's also interestint that they prophesied of THE GRACE TO COME.."
That IS interesting. I'm just wondering, do you and Mark have the same definition of 'grace'?
just a few of many:
Definition of GRACE
a : unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or sanctification
b : a virtue coming from God c : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine grace
---christina on 6/8/11


christina, it's also interestint that they prophesied of THE GRACE TO COME..

However, again and I hate to harp on this, MarkV argues over and over that OT saints were saved BY GRACE just as we are today.

If that is so, then what is this GRACE that was prophesied about that was to come. Now remember it was Peter who said this, and Peter an apostle to the JEWS he spoke this too, had nothing to do with Grace coming to Gentiles.

Grace then would be to me a New Despensation where they were no longer under the Law, but Galatians 2:20...testifying of His suffering and Glory and OUR identification with HIS SUFFERINGS and Glory...Phil 3 again Paul testifies of as well.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/11


Most christians are blind.

This is the big delusion at the end times that christians who think they are christians but are not. This is the fault of man-made denominational churches each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Denominational churches water down the truth to make people feel good and to keep them sitting in their pews as hearers only. Most christians who attend denominational churches for over thirty years, but still know little about God's word. Sure, they have the knowledge of God, but deny his power.

As the numbers of true christians dwindle down to practically nothing during these end times, so does the love in the world wax cold.
---Steveng on 6/8/11


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josef, thanks for the typo clarification, though I did catch your meaning. I like what you said about the Spirit of Christ and "The Spirit of Truth". As well as ""For prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." 2Pe 1:21" I appreciate your thoughtful. and I believe, inspired response.
---christina on 6/8/11


Donna, I "stumbled" upon the phrase "which the Spirit of Christ in them" in 1 Pet: 10-11, and since there has been so much discussion of Christ in us, I thought it was interesting. I believe josef has a good answer to this, as do you. Yes, He is eternal, and the OT prophets looked to His coming as Messiah, so they too believed in Him as their promised King and Messiah.
---christina on 6/8/11


christina,

(Rotherham's Emphasized Bible)
Searching into what particular, or what manner, of season the Spirit of Christ which was in them was pointing to, when witnessing beforehand as toThe sufferings, for Christ, and the glories, after these

In the KJV it says "when it was witnessing" instead of he. In the greek, autos, which would be it or he, is not there, so the above is the correct rendering. Romans 8:9 "...if in fact the SPIRIT OF GOD is in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him". We also know scripture says the writers of the OT wrote as the Spirit lead them. So it seems to be speaking of Gods holy spirit.
---willa5568 on 6/8/11


Christina-- Interesting question. The OT often speaks of the "Spirit" or the "Holy Spirit", but Jesus Christ was unknown to anyone.
Christ is eternal, (so I may have been technically incorrect before). But if His Spirit was with the prophets, they would have called it the Spirit of the "Messiah" ("Christ" being a translation of the Hebrew word for "messiah") When NT Christians tell of this, they would undoubtedly translate Messiah as "Christ".
---Donna66 on 6/8/11


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I believe we are all blind to a lesser or greator extent.

Cultural reasons can affect our understanding of Scripture causing blindness. We need to have some understanding of the culture of the writer to fully comprehend what they say.

Others have been badly taught causing blindness. People in most cults just cannot see what Scripture clearly says as they have been indoctrinated into blindness.

We can also be blind to the meaning of certain Scriptures which contradict pet ideas. A good example is the blindness to the early chapters of Genesis which those Christians who believe in long-ages/evolution exhibit.

Also no man can understand all the knowledge of God. Therefore we are in that sense blind.
---Warwick on 6/8/11


"Born Again" has taken a different meaning (markv's that is) and not the true meaning that we are Born Again, by the last man Adam, who is Christ, a life giving Spirit. The Last man Adam, that LIFE Giving Spirit whereby we Cry Abba Father, those who are NOW Sons and not servants was not in the OT.

To as many as receive Him, that is "Jesus Christ", the them gave he the power to become the sons of God. And if SONS then heirs. We are joint heirs with Christ.

Our New Birth comes ONLY as we identify in His death, and THEN we are raised up a New Creature/Born Again.

But if Markv definition of BA means simply to be enlightened, stating OT saints were BA too...well, it's simply a false Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/11


Christina typo correction for my last post to you, what reads " It is also of course true 'to' we all, in this life, "see through a glass, darkly".
Should read " It is also of course true 'that' we all, in this life, "see through a glass, darkly".
As concerning your inquiry on 6/8/11.
"The Spirit of Christ" is "The Spirit of Truth". That Inspiration and Influence has always been with man and available to be in man, as in that which fills and governs the soul of anyone open to, or chosen to, receive the word of God in the spirit of prophecy.
"For prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." 2Pe 1:21
---josef on 6/8/11


Mark, is English your second language?

"You were to proud to begged for mercy"

This isnt meant as an insult but if you fail to understand the proper tenses of verbs and when to use them, as well as the difference between "too" and "to" theres no doubt in my mind thats why you misinterpret so many scriptures.

Are you French maybe?
---Jasheradan on 6/8/11


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MarkV, answer a question without calling someone a sorcerer.

WE RECEIVE Mercy. If as you believe God HAD Mercy on His Elect, then the Elect don't beg for it. They are elect because God beforehand already chose them as objects of His Mercy.

If you had to beg for mercy BEFORE coming to Christ, or even after, you simply WORKED up a sweat FOR your salvation.

2 Corinthians 4:1
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not,

MarkV, we receive Mercy, when we Receive Jesus Christ who's BLOOD is our only source of Mercy.

You say, only the Elect were atoned for by His Blood...

See how you confuse words and definitions?

FAITH doesn't BEG, faith believes and receives.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/11


Simply by knowing, believing and accepting you can receive the FREE GIFT OF LIFE because Jesus Christ paid the FULL PRICE for EVERY SIN of MAN FOREVER.

"They receive Gods mercy freely by an act of his kindness through the price Christ Jesus paid to set us free from sin. God showed that Christ is the throne of mercy where Gods approval is given through faith in Christs blood.

markv, are you saying you begged for Christ's blood to forgive you of your sin? Or did you beg for Mercy, not knowing God's Mercy was expressed at the Cross?

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin, or mercy.
---James on 6/8/11


//Jesus Christ was NOT in anyone in the OT.//

I don't recall anyone saying that He was. The Spirit was at times in/on various people in the Old Testament.
---Donna66
I don't recall either, and I would agree, however, last night I was reading the following:1 Pet 1:10-11 10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow.
Any explanations?
---christina on 6/8/11


1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,.

MarkV, I don't understand what you mean by beg for mercy? This is a new one on me.

Can you show any instances one begged for their salvation? I do see in Mark a blind man begging for mercy, but not salvation. He didn't receive his sight because he begged either. Jesus said Your faith has healed you, not "your begging has healed you".
---Greg on 6/8/11


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"But who is the one who can see?"-francis on 6/7/11
Peter list the qualities brought forth of those who see.
Faith, virtue, knowledge,temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love. Then goes on to say "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins." And "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness and Temperance"
So who can see? Those willing to submit to the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
---josef on 6/8/11


MarkV, a person without faith would never call upon Jesus Christ in the first place.

It was just yesterday you were claiming that the Holy Spirit gives us a love for God. Now youre claiming we can love God before even receiving the Holy Spirit (which occurs AFTER belief in the truth and trusting Jesus - Ephesians 1:13)?

What does the scripture say: "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved".

It does not read "whosoever is saved shall call upon the name of the Lord".

Most of your beliefs would require a rewriting of the holy scriptures for them to line up with what you "teach" here.
---Jasheradan on 6/8/11


Even Harold Camping teaches we need to beg for Gods Mercy. The Bible says to believe (not beg). Begging for mercy appeals to our need to do SOMETHING. Begging for mercy makes you feel better about yourself. It appeals to our flesh. We know Mr. Camping says to beg for God's mercy, but Mr. Camping does not believe in totally depraved before salvation and believes that we can seek Him on some level. Does God need our help to draw us and save us? Why does Mr. Camping tell us to do a work to gain favor with God? Applying Mr. Camping's reasoning to begging for mercy, the very asking is guaranteeing that we won't receive mercy because salvation is not of works.
---A_Calvinist on 6/8/11


"The mind, our intellect, pride, can actually be an idol, blinding us to God's truth" Christina on 6/7/11
You are of course correct Christina, I had not really considered that. Just because one has acknowledged and confessed Jesus as Lord does not necessarily mean that that one has submitted to His Lordship or the fruit of His Spirit. Yet through that acknowledgment and confession that non-submitted one would still be considered "Christian". Therefore one referred to a "Christian" can indeed be "blind" as unable to "see a far off". It is also of course true to we all, in this life, "see through a glass, darkly". Each one teach one":o)
---josef on 6/8/11


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I basically agree josef, although in my first post I said Christians may be partially blind, I meant that we do not know or see in full, we are being led into all truth. I don't know a single Christian, myself included, who knows/sees all, but we DO see the basic gospel truth.
---Christina on 6/7/11


Yes Mark, we are all not on the same page so to speak in what we have learned. I know God has replaced many of the lies of the enemy in my life, and He renews our minds with the washing of the Word. I have been in serious error in the past in some beliefs, and I know God has more to reveal to me. I must humble myself before Him, and be open to His revelations
---Christina on 6/7/11


//Jesus Christ was NOT in anyone in the OT.//

I don't recall anyone saying that He was. The Spirit was at times in/on various people in the Old Testament.
---Donna66 on 6/7/11


Temple-- I'm not sure God's spirit indwelling us is the real question here. It's not that hard to understand.

Many of the arguments on these blogs are not about understanding scripture at all. They are about making some blogger look wrong or stupid or "blind" so that another blogger can feel right or intelligent or insightful.

Such posts are not Christian in spirit and I think are best disregarded.
---Donna66 on 6/7/11


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Kathr, I admit, there's some who call themselves Christians who are still blind. Why? Because when they committed to Christ, they had no love for Christ, no repentance for sinning against God, and no faith. They expected to receive everything if they committed to Christ. Something like Simone the Sorcerer, who thought he could buy the gifts of God. Peter said:
"Repent therefore of this your wickednes, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity" Acts 8:22,23.
Doesn't it remind you of your conversion? You had no repentance, nor love for God, but you received it all after your commitment? You were to proud to begged for mercy.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/11


Kathr, in answer to the Omnipresence of God.
The word Omnipresence means that His presence is in all places. There is no place where God is not. Yet, as Spirit, God does not occupy any place, in the sense that physical objects occupy space. The barrier between God and us is not a barrier of space or time. To meet God there is not a "where" to go or a "when" to occur. The Omni relates not only to the places were God is, but also to how much of Him is in any given place. Believers living in Maine enjoy the fullness of the presence of God while believer in Russian enjoy that same presence. We can always be certain of God's undivided attention. Only an Infinite Spirit can be Omnipresent.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/11


Temple of the Holy Ghost
The Spirit of God dwells in you
Christ in you, the hope of glory
And et al.....

I dunno....seems like the words dwell and in cannot simply mean dwell and in. So sad that something so simple has to be massacred so badly just to hang on to a false doctrine.
---temple on 6/7/11


Kathr 2: --- But under the New ministry the Holy Spirit, He is said to be in the believer empowering them to do their ministry for the Lord. He is not really inside since He is Spirit. Jesus Christ is also said to be in the believer, but He is in a relationship, for He is at the right hand of the Father. ---
---Mark_V. on 6/1/11


I don't care how markV wants to candy coat his statement, or now come on and post the opposite, is not only BLIND, but also dishonest!

Please read the Cornelius blog. Markv's final answer did not accurately answer or address CHRIST IN YOU!

AND Jesus Christ was NOT in anyone in the OT.
---kathr4453 on 6/7/11


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2000 christian denominations 2000 different sets of belief ONE BIBLE.
1999 of them MUST be blind
But who is the one who can see?
---francis on 6/7/11


//Other so-called Christians can look at Jesus's clear words, "This is My Body, this is My Blood," and say it means, "This is NOT My Body or Blood."//Cluny

Are you referring to transubstantiation?
If so there is no reference of it actually changing it's substance. It is done as a memorial to remember his sacrifice, the covenant God has established through it and the unity of those who partake, which is seen in the singularity of the cup and the bread. Otherwise we are breaking Gods law by drinking blood and eating human flesh.
---willa5568 on 6/7/11


So I take it you agree with him Donna?
---CraigA on 6/6/11
Agree with whom?
---Donna66 on 6/7/11


All John is saying is how blind he is.

Other so-called Christians can look at Jesus's clear words, "This is My Body, this is My Blood," and say it means, "This is NOT My Body or Blood."

How's that for blind?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/7/11


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Christina, if you click on her name and look at other blogs you will see where this argument stems from.
---CraigA on 6/7/11


"Is there such a thing a BLIND Christian?" No.
If my understanding of how the word "christian" is used, I:E one who has willingly acknowledged and confessed Jesus as Lord and Saviour, is correct, The indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit makes that an impossibility.
---josef on 6/7/11


Christina, I very much like your answer and also some others. When the Spirit is our way of life, our eyes are opened to all spiritual truths. But the Spirit reveals truth to us in parts. All throughout our life's we get more revelation each day. Some more then others. It does not mean they are blind, only that the Spirit has not yet revealed what others have already. Blind is a word that is use to attack someone else who constantly argues the Truths of Scripture. The indwelling brings the presence of God into the life of the believer. The anointing, as far as the believer is concerned, is that he might be taught (1 John 2:20,27) these are all part of the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer.
---Mark_V. on 6/7/11


Craig, "Christina, follow Kathr's previous posts and youll see who I'm referring to." I see no posts by Kathr on this question, but much on other posts. Sorry, I have only read a fraction of those, also, I'd assumed responses were to this question, or at least comments made here, thus, my confusion.
---christina on 6/7/11


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As for blindness, God opens the eyes of the blind, both physical and spiritual. What is then "seen" has little to do with the intellect, although it is involved. Spiritual sight is spiritually discerned, Sadly, many brilliant bible scholars are lost, they may have an intellectual understanding as well as interpretation, yet do not know Christ and Him crucified.
The mind, our intellect, pride, can actually be an idol, blinding us to God's truth
---Christina on 6/7/11


is it possible those that think they see better than the rest are really the BLIND ones?

the real sight test is in the doing. you may see what the Lord is saying, but do not act upon it, you are blinder than the blind.
---aka on 6/6/11


You can see the Blind/Deaf apostates here!

I have Yelled/Preached Truth to these people for ions and they are still blind! They refuse to give up their manmade traditions. Even against the judgement of G-d Himself.

Here's a list of apostasies they readily and BLINDLY accept...
1) Easter
2) Christmas
3) Pre-Trib
4) Infant Baptism
5) Saint(Idol) worshipping/other pagan rituals
6) Your Approval of Jesus(AKA: Make A Decision for)
7) The 1 minute "Get out of Hell" sinner prayer Ticket.
8) The "Holy" Potluck Eucharist

They drink the wine of the Harlot/are drunk in the stench of: Traditions of Men.

"Repent and return to the Lord and He shall heal them!"
(Isaiah)
---John on 6/6/11


Christina, follow Kathr's previous posts and youll see who I'm referring to.
---CraigA on 6/6/11


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Donna66,

that is exactly what I wanted to say. Great assessment.


There have been many times I have shaken my head in amazement because someone didn't "see" something in scripture that was "very clear"

It was nothing but self-righteousness at its worst.

Scripture indeed calls the unbeliever blind, but believers have crossed from darkness to light, from death to life, and were blind but now see
---James_L on 6/6/11


So I take it you agree with him Donna?
---CraigA on 6/6/11


I do not think blind is the proper word to use. Stiff necked would probably be more appropriate. There are so many different teachings in the "church" but everyone is right. Very few are willing to listen to anything except what they are taught much less be humble enough to admit that what they believe to be true isn't.

"according to the riches of his glory he(the Father) may grant you to be strengthened with power through his(the Father) Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith"

Gods spirit dwells in us for certain and hopefully this is how you mean Christ in us.

kathr4453, I offer my apology for a sarcastic remark I made on another blog.
---willa5568 on 6/6/11


Donna66 said it best
---Haz27 on 6/6/11


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BLIND is a Christian who doesn't agree with you.
BLIND is a term to insult your Christian brother or sister.
BLIND is a versatile, self-righteous, word...it can be applied to any doctrine you don't like, or don't understand.

The scripture uses the word "blind" for those who are unbelievers.
---Donna66 on 6/6/11


Craig: "Im very worried for this man now."

Who are you worried about?
---christina on 6/6/11


Perhaps readers of what I've written for the last three years appreciate an INTELLECTUAL understanding of the truth, but the glorification of man is the wall of darkness that might never fall.

Revelation 13:18 "This calls for wisdom:...it is a human number...".


666 is not the number of a 7th day creation, it's when the 3 manifestations of God are taught as though the sixth day creation man should be glorified.

Acts 9:2 (who SAUL persecuted)
"if he found any belonging to THE WAY, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem".

Acts 19:9
"some were stubborn and disbelieved, speaking evil of THE WAY before the congregation".

John 14:6 "I am THE WAY...".
---more_excellent_way on 6/6/11


Consider the possibility that your scripture is unreadable, unclear, and inconsistent, and was probably misinterpreted, mistranslated, and mistranscribed.

And then there were the parts that could've been left out, and the parts that could've been put in...

So people wanting to be good Christians, and not go to Hell, if that's what they think the Bible says, may come away with a variety of meanings.

Just saying...
---atheist on 6/6/11


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Im very worried for this man now.

Romans 8:9-11

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
---CraigA on 6/6/11


AMEN Saq, 6/6/11. I could not agree with you more.

Also I must warn you, that you probably will be ATTACKED FOR SHARING TRUTH!
---Rob on 6/6/11


For centuries, each individual Christian has chosen to IGNORE many verses in scripture.

One of the most ignored verses explains why the word "christianity" is not in scripture...

Acts 11:26
"and in Antioch, the disciples were first called Christians".

Forget that this decision was made around FIVE DECADES after the crucifixion, and forget all I have written at CN, the point I am making right now is that the blind want to stay blind in order to keep their 'empire of pride' intact as they glorify man (including themselves). The modern day moneychangers encourage this attitude because they themselves don't realize that they have been taught by previous generations of the "BLIND" for 1960 years.
---more_excellent_way on 6/6/11


We as Christians may be partly blind. 1 Cor 13: 11-12. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror, then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part, then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
One must believe the basic truths of the gospel itself concerning Jesus' having come in the flesh, His death and resurrection to truly be a christian. Some may claim Christianity on the basis of following the 10 commandments alone, or they believe in a (different) 'Jesus', such as Jesus as merely a prophet, but not actually the Son of God. So they are totally blind
---Christina on 6/6/11


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Yes, some Christians are Spiritually BLIND or Double-Minded.

I think that this issue applies to many people in USA churches and around the globe.

Many folks rationalize that Satan is the one responsible. Nope! Satan is their excuse, and they have CHOSEN / DECIDED to follow the Ways Of The World, instead of GOD's ways:

James 1:8 -- Unstable in ALL of their ways.

Matthew 6:24 & Luke 16:13 -- Serving two Masters isn't possible.

Many things that are: Forbidden, Discouraged, etc. in the Bible have become very popular today. I would list them all, but that wouldn't be Politically Correct. At least NOT in the Biblical Morals Declining USA. That's very sad indeed. GOD is grieved.

---Sag on 6/6/11


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Considering the pastoral letters are mentioned in first century manuscripts that would make the writers know what was going to happen in the future.

Yes many who use higher criticism come up with reasons for the bible to be written by men only without GOD.

This is an exaltation of the idea of men above the Word of GOD.

Do you remeber when higher critics set dates for the OT. that were disprove when they found the dead sea scrolls?
---Samuel on 6/6/11


truth? so does this include the end of the world teachings of harold camping? what about his followers who spent their money or gave money to his church, those who committed suicide bec. they followed a 'truth'
---mike on 6/6/11


The Bible tells why it is possible for some to see the Bible facts but deny the truth. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him,neither can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. Mans wisdom can't enlighten God's people. They are enlightened when they are taught by the Holy Ghost and live in the Spirit. Some Christians wade into the Spiritually deep waters of the Holy Ghost comparing spiritual to spiritual knowing what they can't see of God's power is just as real as the earthly creations they can see. Some Christians accept Christ but use the mind to explain their relationship. They can't grasp the depth of Gods presence in his people.
---Darlene_1 on 6/6/11


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Well that are some intelligent Christians Bible scholars that don't take things at face value who know how to use the tools of textual analysis and higher criticism to correctly ascertain what ancient documents can be attributed to what authors and which are actually pseudepigraphic.
For example Paul could not write the Pastoral letters as they are 2nd century documents not first century documents. They were us penned using Paul's name [writing in the name of a Jewish or Christian notable person a common practice in the ancient world between 400 BCE and 300 CE]. The Authentic Letters of Paul: A New Reading of Rhetoric and Meanings ISBN-978-59815-Q19-3
---Blogger9211 on 6/6/11


I have come across many people like those mentioned, including members of my own family.

They are indeed blind, and I often wonder if this is by their own choice.

It also causes me to wonder if they are truly Christian.
---Rob on 6/6/11


Yes, there is such a thing as a blind Christian.

I was nearly blind until I had my cataract surgery.

So was a friend of mine.

So was my grandmother.

And there are many others who have vision problems, yet are still Christians.

Believe it or not, kathr, it's possible to be a Christian and not agree with you.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/6/11


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