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markv, sinners do not disappoint me, for I have zero expectation of any virtue being produced from sinners.
---Eloy on 6/13/11

MarkV- you are wrong and speak apostasy. Jesus did not speak the word 'hell' and you are too frightened like your pagan co-hort Cluny to look up a Greek interlinear and check for yourself, because you're both frightened of the truth.

I don't believe for 1 minute that you or your pagan hellfire doctrine is backed by HolySpirit. Hellfire was inspired by Satan in ancient pagan Egypt and Babylon, and adopted by you and the Clunies of the world.

Cluny- I have shown how weak your argumentation is. If you believe the 'fire' at Mark 9:43-48 is real then you must also believe maggots do not die. You refuse to understand what Jesus was teaching. Both you and MarkV are pagans masquerading as 'Christian'- driving 1000's into atheism.
---David8318 on 6/13/11

\\I too suspect they are symbols, but I find no relief in that. It is probable that the sinner in hell would prefer a literal lake of fire.\\
---Mark_V. on 6/11/11

I agree with you. I became a believer after years etrenched in a false gospel. For 6 months before my conversion, I endured such misery, anguish, torment, etc. revolving around fear and doubt about eternity. Every waking moment was consumed with a crushing weight of anxiety that would drive many to suicide. I have known who experienced the same things I went through and did kill themselves.

If hell is anything like what I went through, Most would probably prefer fire.
---James_L on 6/12/11

David8318 and will5568,
Can you demonstrate from scripture or philosophy (either) how dead means non-existent?

Rev 20:12 And I SAW the dead...standing before the throne... WHAT ?!?

How can the dead be seen standing if they don't exist?

Do you believe that when a battery dies it disappears?

Or a dead body that you see in a casket is not really there?

Or a "dead" electrical circuit means that the wire has vanished?

I think you've got some 'splainin to do.
---James_L on 6/12/11

David8318, did you not stop to think that maybe it is you who is driving those who you say are believers away with your doctines of no hell? Your ministry teaches no hell for the wicked, Jesus teaches there is, so who do you think people will believe? You are Jesus? Also, didn't you stop to think that maybe those you mentioned by name, had the same flaws you have? I bet you did not think of that. You see David if those persons walked away from the faith, doesn't that tell you they were not a part of the body of Christ to begin with? They could not have been sealed by the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 6/12/11

\\Gordon, you like Cluny believe maggots do not die? You also believe the 'wild beast' of Revelation is also literal? \\

Interesting how when I quote the words of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ as recorded in the Holy Gospels, David either ignores them or turn to ad hominem arguments to other people.

He never actually deals with the passages I bring up.

Apparently, he simply doesn't believe what the Savior actually said.

Clory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/12/11

Do not be deceived, hell is real. hell fire wasn't originally prepared for man but for the devil and his angels:

Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Mat 25:41)

Clearly then, the fire of hell is not the fire we are used to. It can torture spirit beings and people too.

Jesus also taught most people would go to hell (Mt. 7:13,14) and hell is where the body and soul are destroyed (Mt. 10:28). (Destroyed does not mean annihilated.)

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Mat 10:28)

---Alive_to_God on 6/12/11

The false 'hellfire' doctrine is found in ALL false religious cults and sects.

The hellfire doctrine is taught enthusiastically by apostate christians in Christendoms churches, Buddhists, Hindu's and in Islam. It is designed not by Almighty God, but by satan to drive people away from the love of Almighty God Jehovah and His Son into disbelief and atheism.

Those promoting hellfire are atheist-makers. In the public ministry I perform, I find many have left God simply because they were taught the pagan hellfire doctrine and could not reconcile there being a God of love and yet hell at the same time.

The hellfire doctrine is the single most potent false religious teaching outside evolution driving atheism today.
---David8318 on 6/12/11

Gordon, you like Cluny believe maggots do not die? You also believe the 'wild beast' of Revelation is also literal?

If you believe the fire that is 'not quenched' at Mark 9 is literal you must also believe maggots do not die. Likewise the 'lake of fire' into which the wild beast is cast- if this is literal, so must also the wild beast.

You like Cluny fail to understand Jesus' use of hyperbole. Both the maggot and fire that is not quenched and the 'lake of fire' are not literal places designed for human torture. They are figurative of evelasting destruction with no hope of return- Mt.10:28.

Jesus used the word 'Gehenna' at Mark 9:43-48. Jesus never used the word 'hellfire' and did not teach the pagan doctrine of hellfire.
---David8318 on 6/11/11

MarkV- I completely disagree with you. Jesus never spoke or uttered the word hell or hellfire. Please, get out any decent Greek interlinear and look up the verses at Mark 9 and Mt.10:28 etc. and you will not find the word 'hell' or 'hellfire'. Jesus used the word 'Gehenna'.

You and the translators of the Bible you use evidently favour the hellfire doctrine and use 'hell' instead of 'Gehenna' obviously because it suits your purpose.

If you want to believe the 'fire' in Mark 9:43-48 is literal, then you too must also believe maggots do not die. I agree with willa5568 explanation- these represent annihilation and destruction. Thats what Jesus was teaching- annihilation/pershing with no hope of return. Complete destruction-Mt.10:28.
---David8318 on 6/11/11

Eloy, you said,

"only one unrepented sin will send the sinner to hell."

I hate to disappoint you, but all descendants of Adam are heading already to hell. They need Christ to stop them from going there. If they don't repent and come to Christ, they will continue their journey. "For everything without faith is sin" Unbelievers have no faith in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/12/11

only one unrepented sin will send the sinner to hell.
---Eloy on 6/11/11

\\There must be something so bad down there, in Hades, that the Lord would advise us to do the extreme to keep from going there.\\

Hades (sheol) is NOT the same thing as Gehenna (hell).

\\Do you suppose an umaterial fire could even be quenched? Only tangible fires can be quenched. \\

You're starting to catch on!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/11


see it as you wish, dead means dead. If Jesus gives us eternal life then that tells me we don't have it until he gives it.when God created Adam he breathed the breathe of life into his nostrils, then he became a living creature. So until the breathe of life ,he was not alive. Without oxygen our body dies, it fuels our body, that is the way God made us. When the resurrection happens that changes, we are raised in a spiritual body. And perish can mean completely destroy, it's the context that decides. If you throw a person raised from the dead, as it is at the judgment,into a lake of fire, what will happen to them? This is pointless if they are a soul who will burn in hell forever because their body is already dead to begin with.
---willa5568 on 6/11/11

willa5568, "Perishing" for the human soul, here, means "to be destroyed", "to be made and rendered useless in the ultimate way". The human soul is not annihilated, as you say. The soul is not obliterated into "non-existence". You see, mankind was made in the Image of GOD. One Facet of GOD's Image is His Immortality, in that He lives on Forever. Likewise, He created mankind to live on forever, that is, from the point in time that each one of us was created. So, the wicked that perish will have to go to a place where their soul will be able to dwell eternally. And, that place would have to be the kind of place to suit their soul's sinful, evil unregenerated condition. That place will be the Lake of Fire.
---Gordon on 6/11/11

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
The Greek word 'apollymi', translated 'perish' 33 times in the Bible, is also translated 'lost' or 'lose' 31 times. These are forms of 'rendering useless' or 'discarding' as in the case of the offending eye or hand. Notice the eye and hand is not 'destroyed' but 'removed'. Even though still intact, they are discarded and lost. They perish.
---micha9344 on 6/11/11

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I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Perish refers to complete destruction, annihilation. That is what Gehenna(one word translated as hell,lake of fire) represented. It was a place where garbage was burned and destroyed and said to burn continuously(until the trash runs out of coarse), which is an interesting comparison. To perish is the complete opposite of eternal life, which is what those who believe inherit. Read Rev.10:13 "And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,Death and Hades(hell) gave up the dead who were in them". There have been people being punished in the sea while waiting for the judgement? Come on now, Greek mythology is not a Jewish concept.
---willa5568 on 6/11/11

Cluny, The Fires of Hell are "unmaterial"? The Fires of Hell are "not made of matter"? What does THAT mean? If they are "unmaterial", as you say, WHY, then, would the Son of GOD strongly admonish us to "pluck our eyeballs out" if they cause us to sin, for better it is to enter Heaven with even one eye than to have both eyes while in Hell. There, the Fires ARE NOT QUENCHED. There must be something so bad down there, in Hades, that the Lord would advise us to do the extreme to keep from going there. Do you suppose an umaterial fire could even be quenched? Only tangible fires can be quenched. But, the Hell-fires are of an eternal nature. The Miracle of the Bush that burned...but, was not consumed.
---Gordon on 6/11/11

David, you said,
".. But this fire is also symbolic, not literal."

Almost all the biblical teachings about hell comes from the lips of Jesus. Modern Christians have pushed the limits of minimizing hell in an effort to sidestep or soften Jesus own teachings. I too suspect they are symbols, but I find no relief in that. It is probable that the sinner in hell would prefer a literal lake of fire as his eternal place to the reality of hell represented in the lake of fire image. If these images are indeed symbolic, then we must conclude that the reality is worse than the symbol suggest. The function of symbols is to point beyond themselves to a higher or more intense state of actuality than the symbol itself can contain.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/11

David8318, Take the demonic, fleshly, sin-laden blinders off of your own eyes and understand this: YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST) called the eternally burning Lake of Fire "Gehenna" because Gehenna, being the Garbage Dump of His Day located outside the City of Jerusalem, was an Earthly, tangible and visual analogy of the said future Lake of Fire. It was an current analogy to give the people something of an idea of what the Lake of Fire was like. It is the Everlasting Garbage Dump of degenerate human souls and fallen, wicked angelic beings, including the dark Ring Leader Satan himself.
---Gordon on 6/11/11

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The fire of hell is certainly not an earthly fire, but rather unmaterial (an obscure, but correct word that simply means "not made of matter") fire.

Because of the mercy of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ I hope to have no personal experience of it.

Some of you, especially Samuel, might enjoy reading THE RIVER OF FIRE, which can be found on line.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/10/11

It only takes one sin to go to hell. In fact, there really is only one sin that God will not forgive.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Almost everyone is familiar with John 3:16. But don't stop there. Read on to verse 19 and you will see the whole reason God sent Jesus.
It is the Holy Spirit that draws man to God. If you reject that, then you have rejected the only way back to God. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
Hell is real. Accepting Christ's forgiveness is easy. All you need do is ask.
---Brother_David on 6/10/11

David8318, How well you cherry-pick the Holy Scriptures. You pick out Verses that speak of soothing things....the "Love of GOD", the implications of a forgiving GOD. And it's all true of GOD. But, they are only half of the Story. You deny the other Side of GOD, His Wrath. His Wrath that is expressed by the fires of Hell. Here, I too, shall quote some Verses. They speak of the very Hell you deny. MARK 9:43-48 " go into Hell, into the Fire that shall never be quenched:..." REVELATION 14:10-11 "...and he shall be tormented with Fire and Brimstone...and they have no rest day nor night...". REVELATION 20:11-15 "...And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the Lake of Fire."
---Gordon on 6/10/11

Please Cluny get out your interlinear, Strong's concordance or whatever you've got and look at the word Jesus used in those verses and stop pulling pagan wool over peoples eyes.

For the third time- Jesus did not use the word 'hell' in those verses. He used the word 'Gehenna'. Jesus was not teaching hellfire of eternal punishment. The people Jesus spoke to knew what he meant when he used Gehenna as an illustration, and it had nothing to do with eternal punishment in a hellfire.

I'm sorry if the idea that Jesus wouldn't condemn people to eternal punishment upsets you, but the Bible portrays God and Christ as loving individuals who do not hold eternal grudges. But I understand why a pagan would baulk at the very thought.
---David8318 on 6/10/11

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It is God's will that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4). No one can thwart God's will. God's will be done! :-)
---John.usa on 6/10/11

I agree Samuel, the Bible does speak of the 'Lake of fire'. But this fire is also symbolic, not literal.

Unless of course you believe the 'seven headed, ten horned wild beast' which is cast into the 'lake of fire' is also a literal creature. You must also believe the 'false prophet' to be a literal person because this also is cast into the 'lake of fire'.

I do not believe the '7 headed 10 horned wild beast' or the 'false prophet' to be literal animals or people. They represent certain organisations in line for divine destruction.

Thus, the 'lake of fire' is not literal fire or a 'hellfire' designed for eternal punishment, but represents complete destruction with no hope of return- Rev.20:10 also Matthew 25:41.
---David8318 on 6/10/11

\\Pagan hellfire is a false doctrine. There is no hellfire.\\

Jesus said there was.

Matthew 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

\\The truth prevails over Cluny's pagan attempts to disgrace Christ and God with filthy pagan false teachings.\\

Are you DENYING that Jesus said there was hell fire?
---Cluny on 6/10/11

here's an interesting verse for those who believe people can to hell when they die instead of just being dead until the resurrection.

Revelations 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done"

I guess some people go to the sea as well when they die. cool!
---willa5568 on 6/10/11

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Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 18:8-9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Rev 20:10b ...devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
---micha9344 on 6/10/11

Amen Mark V we are saved in Chirst all our sin is forgiven.

David the Bible talks about the lake of Fire. Which is the true hellfire. Those who are thrown into the lake will be destroyed and cease to exist. They are asleep in the grave right now.

But there are two resurrections. One to eternal life of those in CHRIST and one to die again of those who do not love GOD and love others.
---Samuel on 6/10/11

Pagan hellfire is a false doctrine. There is no hellfire.

'God is love' and 'ready to forgive' repentant people- Ps.86:5, 1 Jo.4:8. The dead are 'conscious of nothing' and at death sinners are 'acquitted from their sin'- Eccs.9:5,10, Ro.6:7. Burning people is detestable to God- Jer.7:31.

The truth prevails over Cluny's pagan attempts to disgrace Christ and God with filthy pagan false teachings.

Thank God and glory to Christ- there is no such place as hellfire.
---David8318 on 6/10/11

Evidently the fact that 'hellfire' is a pagan teaching originating in pagan Egypt and Babylon is something Cluny is now not able to refute. Question is, why does Cluny continue to promote the pagan 'hellfire' teaching?

Simple answer- Cluny and other 'hellfire' pushers are pagans masquerading as Christian.

It is my experience that the heinous teaching of 'hellfire' is satanic as it serves to drive people away from 'the God of love' (1 Jo.4:8) into disbelief and atheism.

Rather than bring 'glory to Christ' and teach the truth, Cluny in fact is an atheist maker. The Cluny's of the World with their perverse 'hellfire' teaching drive people into atheism.
---David8318 on 6/10/11

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Rickey, "Repentance" is turning away from sin.
---Gordon on 6/10/11

Anon, I completely agree with Rickey. I believe he explained it very well. No one can know all the sins they committed. They are convicted of some day in an day out, but not all of them. The more we read the Word of God, the more we recognize sin in our lives. Yet at no time are we completely free of sin. As believers in Christ, we have been taken out of the condemnation of the Law because of our faith in Christ Jesus and His works on the Cross not our works, for by our works no one could be saved. In Christ we are no more under condemnation by the Law. If a person is not in Christ, He is condemned already for breaking the Law.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/11

Cluny, I did comment regarding Mark 9:43-48 in my post 6/9/11. Jesus does not use your erroneous word 'hell'. Jesus used the word 'Gehenna'.

Jesus use of 'fire' as well as the 'maggot' are figurative. If you believe the fire Jesus spoke of is literal, then do you also believe maggots do not die?

Jesus' listeners would have known that anything sent to literal 'Gehenna' would suffer complete destruction, either through the fires burning there or consumed by maggots. Jesus used 'Gehenna' to illustrate the fact that the wicked suffer complete destruction with no hope of return through resurrection. They are destroyed- Mt.10:28.

Your continued promotion of this henious hellfire doctrine only serves to bring dishonour to Christ.
---David8318 on 6/10/11

Cluny asks, 'Then why did Jesus THRICE describe Hell as the place where "the fire is not quenched"?'

As already pointed out, Jesus does not and never did use the word 'hell'. This is an irrefutable fact. Jesus 'thrice' used the word 'Gehenna'- and for good reason because his listeners knew exactly what 'Gehenna' was. Cluny does not, and misrepresents Jesus in doing so.

Jesus said at Mark 9:48, 'where their maggot does not die and the fire is not put out.'

By believing 'fire' here is literally 'not quenched', Cluny must also believe the maggot literally does not die. Cluny fails to realise Jesus is using the maggot in a figurative sense as well as the fire. Figurative of complete destruction with no hope of return.
---David8318 on 6/10/11

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Water baptism is one of the most misunderstood things & causes so much division.

Some believe that you must be baptized in Jesus' Name in order to receive the Holy Spirit. I disagree because in Acts 10 Cornelius recieved the Holy Spirit w/o water baptism. I myself did too.

Paul said I baptized none. 1Corinthians 1:11-17 shows that baptism isn't required for salvation.

If the rapture took place a day after a person got saved, but wasn't water baptized would that person be left behind. No. Romans 10:9-10

My point is that baptism has its place, but should not cause the divison that people let it do.
---Rickey on 6/10/11

I agree with(ie Cluny 6/9/11).
---mima on 6/10/11

\\Those who claim 'hell' is not found in ancient Egypt are in denial of the facts- (ie Cluny 6/9/11).\\

And what about my quote about what Jesus actually said about hell, David?

You've said NOTHING about that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/10/11

Mima, Repentance is the key, here. Every sin must be accounted for. And when we are saved, GOD does not take away our free-will. We do not become "robots". I'm sure you've heard that said a million times. But, it is true. The Holy Spirit puts a Love and Desire in our hearts, and gives us a "new heart", but, we still have free-will. We can go against the Leading of the Holy Spirit and against the Desires placed in our "new hearts". We can choose, we DO choose, every minute of every day, to either follow the fleshly, sinful nature or to follow the Holy Spirit. That's why the Apostle Sha'ul (Paul) admonishes us to DO so, as noted in ROMANS 8.
---Gordon on 6/10/11

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Even as christians we sin daily. But after you except the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. All your past, present, and future sins are under the blood. He paid our sin debt on the cross. The only sin that will send you to hell, is rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ all together.
---Lisa on 6/9/11

It is not how many this is contrary to the relationship God has given us in Christ. We know no sin will enter heaven. Thus if no sin will enter there it means that one sin will send you to Hell! A person can't commit just 'one' sin for one sin leads to all sinfulness. It is not 'how many' I can commit and still go to Heaven. The fact remains the sacrifice Christ died for us is abundantly supplied to "overcome all sin". When people ask me this question I tell them it is the attitudes behind it suggesting that God would allow a sin in a Christian's life for which His Only Begotten Son paid the ultimate price for that very sin! He paid the penalty for all sin! He came to set the captive free! Not just let us wallow in our sins.
---ivan9398 on 6/9/11

Those who claim 'hell' is not found in ancient Egypt are in denial of the facts- (ie Cluny 6/9/11).

The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian beliefs depict the 'nether world as a place full of horrors, presided over by gods and demons.' Ancient Egyptians portrayed the 'Other World' as featuring 'pits of fire' for 'the damned.' The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581.

The ancient pagan Egyptian writings found in 'The Book Am-Tuat', speaks of those who 'shall be cast down headlong into the pits of fire, and ... shall not escape therefrom, and ... shall not be able to flee from the flames.'
---David8318 on 6/9/11

\\b. Water baptism-doesn't matter if in Jesus Name or of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.\\

Doing something in the name of Jesus means doing it as He actually commanded.

Since Jesus Himself said, "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit," it does matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/9/11

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"whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked."

the Greek word translated ought is a powerful word. It means to be in debt for, that which is due. This is not, we should walk as Jesus, but we are bond-slaves so to say, we owe him our lives and are to walk as him because he commanded us to. What is his commandment? To walk in the love of God, the love Christ expressed for us and the world. Grace is only valid for those who walk in obedience, you can't have one without the other. I do not mean perfection but repentance from practicing sin.
---willa5568 on 6/9/11

Rickey-- VERY well put. The sin of others is usually much more obvious to us than our own. That's why it is fairly easy for us to sin without recognizing all our own sins. As Christians, we repent of those we are aware of.
The 10 Commandments are concrete and rather simple to follow, but love your neighbor as yourself is something rarely, if ever, accomplished
by even the most fervent born-again Christian.

THAT's why we must depend on the Cross alone and God's Grace, otherwise we should be in constant fear of eternal separation from God.
---Donna66 on 6/9/11

Ricky, if you are correct, then why does it say in 1st John 1:9, "IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

John wrote that to Christians. If we are In Christ Jesus, then we are not "practicing" sin, we sin, but we aren't practicing sin. Amen? So if we are not practicing sin and tell a lie one second before the rapture, of course those who are IN CHRIST JESUS will go to heaven. I think you missed my point, hope I explained it better.
---anon on 6/9/11

Anon, I do see what you're saying, but it is impossible for a person to know/repent of all of their sins. If a person sins 2-seconds before the rapture will he/she be left behind? No.
If that was the case then we need to get born again again daily.

My point is this, our salvation and righteousness does not & never will depend on our works or deeds.
(2nd Corinthians 5:21, 1John 2:1-2)

Yes, there is a sin unto death and that sin is rejecting Christ. No other sin can cancel our right-standing with God.

Repentance IS NOT confessing a sin...
Re-pentance is returning to the high-position/right-standing w/ God.
---Rickey on 6/9/11

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Hebrews 6:1-2 lists 6-basic principles.
1) Repentance of dead works
-we shouldn't still be looking at or depending on works to justify us

2)faith toward God
-our trust should be in Him and His finished works through Christ

3)Doctrine of baptisms
-there are several baptisms & due to doctrines of men schisms and disputes have accurd.

a. New birth(1Corinthians 12:13)

b. Water baptism-doesn't matter if in Jesus Name or of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

c. Baptism in the Holy Spirit. (Matt. 3,11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16)

d. John's baptism UNTO/before repentance
---Rickey on 6/9/11

---Cluny I cannot prove the "age of accountability" I can only state that I believe in a "just and fair" God. And that belief by itself would sustain my belief in an "age of accountability"
---mima on 6/9/11

Gordon your answer(if correct) to this question quickly condemns me to hell. And you too I might add! It also would seem to put the God in error when he has provided for us an advocate before himself. Your answer and reasoning puts the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of mankind while I on the other hand am depending on the strength of God I wonder which will be stronger?
---mima on 6/9/11

StrongAxe, thank you. You have made my point even clearar.
---John.usa on 6/9/11

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3) laying on of hands
-they were still looking to laying hands on the scape goat for the remission of sins.
-we are not to depend on anything, but what Jesus did.

4)resurrection of the dead
-Pharisees and Saducees disagreed on it.

5)eternal judgment
-Bible lists 5-judgments
a. Christ for our sins
b. Us rewarded for our works after salvation(2nd Corinthians 5:10)
c. Jews for rejecting Godhead
d. Nations for rejecting Jews(Matthew 25:31-46)
e. Satan and nonbelievers(Revelation 20:11-15)

Each judgment takes place at a different place and time.
---Rickey on 6/9/11

If John 1:29,"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." is true why do many insist on paying for their own sins?
Truth is none of us can pay for our sins( regardless of our behavior or actions) Jesus has paid for our sins and our total reliance on that fact gives us a clean bill before the father.
---mima on 6/9/11

Mark 9:43-48 show that it is not humans that exist eternally in Gehenna but rather the destructive forces as represented by the 'maggott' and the 'fire', which bring eternal destruction are- Is.66:24.

At death, an individual is not only 'acquitted from his sin' (Ro.6:7) but feels no pain or anything at all as Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 tells us, 'but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all'.

Jesus' use of 'Gehenna' at Mt.10:28 and Mark 9:43-48 is thus a fitting symbol of death without hope of resurrection. Neither Jesus nor God ever intended to burn people in 'Gehenna', in fact such an idea is detestable to God- Jer.7:31
---David8318 on 6/9/11

Cluny makes no effort to bring 'Glory to Jesus Christ' by pushing the brutal unscriptural doctrine of 'hellfire' and damnation.

Cluny evidently has Dante's vision of 'hell' in mind in his understanding of God's unbriddled punishment of sinful man. However, the word 'hell' originates from the word 'helan' which meant to cover or conceal. The old English expression 'helling potatoes' meant not to roast them, but to simply put them in the ground or cellar.

Cluny has obviously been grossly misled and indoctrinated by Catholicism and her sects and cults who promote this wholly disgraceful doctrine which brings no glory to Christ.
---David8318 on 6/9/11

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What Repentance Is

What then is repentance? It is the Greek word metanoia, which is translated "repentance" in our English Bibles, and literally means a change of mind. This is not simply the acceptance of new ideas in place of old notions. But it actually implies a complete reversal of one's inward attitude. How luminously clear this makes the whole question before us. To repent is to change one's attitude toward self, toward sin, toward God, toward Christ. And this is what God commands.
---mima on 6/9/11

Rickey, you forgot one thing....we MUST Repent for our sins or we shall perish.

Jesus said so in the Gospel of Luke - "Unless ye repent, ye shall perish."

So if that Christian you are referring to doesn't repent of their sins, then they do NOT go to heaven.
---anon on 6/9/11

One sin can lead to Hell, if gone unrepented of. The importance is REPENTANCE. Repentance is the "turning away from sin". We acknowledge our sin, and trust in GOD to cleanse our sin from us by the Blood of HIS Son YAHUSHUA (JESUS). We, then, CHOOSE to live a Life of Love, Holiness, and to NOT SIN. The Holy Spirit will enable us to do so, if we will co-operate. GOD does not just "make us to not sin". We have to choose to die daily to our flesh nature. As Paul says, we are to "crucify the flesh daily". We need to have our sins washed away because GOD hates sin. Sin is a real issue with GOD. The Christian Life is a Spiritual Battle. It's in Heaven when we will finally rest from our Labours and the Battle.
---Gordon on 6/9/11

Sin doesn't keep a Christian out of heaven. If it did then if a person got saved and then the rapture happened while the person had unforgivness or something would that person still go to heaven or not?

Yes he would. Reason being our salvation isn't based on our works, but on the finished works of Christ. We are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(Ephesians 4:30, Ephesians 2:8-9, 2nd Corinthians 5:21)
---Rickey on 6/9/11

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---aka on 6/9/11


That same rationale had been used by the inquisition:
1) Catch a heretic based on his words or deeds
2) Torture him to get him to confess his heresy
3) Get him to repent of his heresy
4) Burn the now-saved ex-heretic - which avoids the temptation for him to relapse into his heresy.
---StrongAxe on 6/9/11

\\Neither Gehenna, Sheol or Hades represent a firey place of 'hell' where people are mercilessly tortured eternally.\\

Then why did Jesus THRICE describe Hell as the place where "the fire is not quenched"? Mark 9:44, 46, 48.

Ancient Egypt had NOTHING comparable to hell. If one's soul was too heavy with sin, it was simply devoured by a monster, and that was the end.

**You do not have to sin to go to hell because all men are born lost and except for a period of unaccountability all men go to hell who do not get saved! I
---mima on 6/8/11**

I'd like to see you prove this "period of unaccounability" from the Bible, mima.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/9/11

If what Mima says is true, then the most loving thing to do would be to put all children to death before they reach the age of accountability in order to ensure their salvation.
---John.usa on 6/8/11

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'Hell' as defined by Christendom- a place where 'sinners' are sent to burn for all etenity- is not a Bible teaching.

Despite what some believe, 'Gehenna, Hades and Sheol' are not synonyms. Jesus used 'Gehenna' to illustrate complete destruction from which there is no hope of return- Mt.10:28.

The Hebrew 'Sheol' and its Greek equivalent 'Hades' are however synonimous with the common grave of mankind, but wholly different from Gehenna because people will come out of Sheol/Hades during the resurrection- Rev.20:13 (v14,Hades (or death) is itself destroyed).

Neither Gehenna, Sheol or Hades represent a firey place of 'hell' where people are mercilessly tortured eternally. 'Hellfire' is a Egypto-Babylonian false teaching.
---David8318 on 6/8/11

You do not have to sin to go to hell because all men are born lost and except for a period of unaccountability all men go to hell who do not get saved! I
---mima on 6/8/11

There is no such place as 'hellfire' as defined by Christendoms sects and cults who erroneously push the false teaching that people are sent to burn for the rest of eternity in firey place of torment. Religionists who push this henious doctrine give no thought to the truth that God is 'ready to forgive' and does not hold eternal 'grudges'- Lev.19:18, Ps.6:5.

The idea of passing anyone through the fire is abhorent to the Almighty- Jeremiah 7:31, 32:35.

Romans 6:7 shows that at death, an individual is 'acquitted from his sin'. That being the case, there is no legal basis for anyone to be punished for something God has acquitted them from.
---David8318 on 6/8/11

Atheist..I hope that when the day comes, when you take your last breath, you will have already put your faith in Jesus alone for your salvation, because eternity is a very long time my friend.
---JIM on 6/8/11

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hell is first the grave at death then the lake of fire at the judgement in which those who reject God's promise to those who believe in His son will be destroyed, burned up, perish.


What is your definition of God? Here is one in Websters dictionary, Any person or thing exalted too much in estimation, or deified and honored as the chief good. Is that not where those whose reject God place man? We can find the answer to every problem and will not give up until we do. Do we not judge and comdemn what is evil and good? Are we not then considering ourselves God above all other known creation? Death is a reality, but when it comes are you confident that is the end and there is hope for nothing else.
---willa5568 on 6/8/11

I agree with the previous answers.
Whether you are referring to hell as "gehenna, sheol or hades".
All it takes or took was once.
It is written "the wages of sin [is] death."
Notice that the word sin is singular in any translation of the Bible you read.
---josef on 6/8/11

God is perfect and holy. No sin can dwell in the presence of God. Psalm 5:4
There is no partiality with God Rom 2:11
---rpalfred on 6/7/11

How many times does a person have to sin in order to go to hell?
Just once...
...unless you are willing to accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for your sin and fully place your faith in HIM.
When you see what Jesus willingly suffered for you, ANY sin in your life should drive you repent.
---Donna66 on 6/7/11

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Just one time
---CraigA on 6/7/11

There is no god and no hell. Don't worry about it.
---atheist on 6/7/11

How many times does a person have to sin in order to go to hell?

Just once

That's why the Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us (Jn 1), then died to redeem us from the curse of the Law, which is death (Gal 3).

Whoever believes in Him will not perish (Jn 3)), because whoever believes in Him is born of the Spirit, and cannot sin (1Jn 3:9).
---James_L on 6/7/11

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