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Can Praying Save Another

Can a praying Christian effectually bring about another person's salvation? Said another way, will praying for someone's salvation be effective?

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 ---mima on 6/8/11
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craigA---Good idea! Your campaign to change him by arguing with him and complaining about him, doesn't seem to have worked very well.
---Donna66 on 6/16/11

Brainwashed. Maybe its time for us to leave him alone and move on to people who want to know God. Any scripture we give goes ignored anyway. He doesnt want to see the truth.
---CraigA on 6/16/11

Kathr, I knew you would believe what you said. You have no Scripture to proof your opinion. What is explained is very simple. It is not a metaphor, are a parable. It is an explicit statement.
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. Having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ Himself, (now listen to this) "According to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved" ( Eph. 1:4-6).
---Mark_V. on 6/16/11

So Ephesians can be said like this:

For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will .

I believe this means that even before God created Adam/Eve, His plan and purpose was to bring through earthly man a heavenly man. God's plan and purpose from eternity past was to have children. But THESE Children would be begotten through Jesus Christ. These Children, predestined to be HOLY, and conformed to Jesus Christ.

Adam/Eve were certainly made after God's image, however as we see, were earthly and sinned.

The New Creature In Christ predestined to spend ETERNITY with God.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/11

Alan, I will answer you. You said to me,

"My God is Sovereign because He is pwerful enough to allow freewill to man"

If God gave man free will, God would stop been God and man would be autonomus. "Auto" means self, "Nomos" in the Grk means Law. If man is autonomus he would be a law unto himself. And autonomus creater would be answerable to no one. You logic is wrong because you have created a god who gives up his sovereignty. My God is Ruler and on the throne. Yours is off the throne, because he has given man the throne.
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
---Mark_V. on 6/16/11

What exactly was predestined?
Hebrews 2 tells us man was made lower than the Angels. So: God, Angels and man, in that order. The WORD who is God , was made lower than the angels, made flesh, to taste death for all, in order to bring those who CHOOSE LIFE to a higher place than even Adam and Eve. So as New Creatures IN CHRIST, our position in the New Creation will actually be HIGHER than Angels, as His Begotten Sons through Jesus Christ, not the dust of the earth. God wanted children, HIS CHILDREN, who have HIS DNA, His seed in us! Nowhere does scripture teach Adam was begotten of God through His seed. They were made of the dust of the earth.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/11

alan, unless you are involved in each and every conversation, you may be surprised that some anaagonism is brought on by markv and donna66.

Concerning the big bang. The Big bang contradicts a 6 day creation where God was finished and rested on the seventh. Now the Big Bang is that the universe is STILL growing and evolving.

Man may assume it is, but God was finished a long time ago.

My frustration in that is that I assumed you all knew that but you kept insisting in your own version of a big bang anyway.

I made a statement NOT directed at anyone, and donna66 actually tried to corner me into a whatever.

And STILL tried to corner me before the blog closed.

I personally felt I was being antagonized.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11

MarkV says "He (Kathr's God)needs permission from man. My God is sovereign, yours is not"

You've said the same to me, but this is not what I ever indicated.

Your God is unable to gain permission from you to allow man to make up his own mind

My od is Sovereign because He is pwerful enough to allow freewill to man

Your god is held in chains because you don't let him do that. Your chains, MarkV ... you are seeking to limit God

Bur in passing, I do do find Kathr's antagonism towards Mark and Donna66 a bit unattractive
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/15/11

Jasheradan, you're right. but all please keep praying. There is only one gospel that saves, and faith comes by hearing teh only true Gospel. God's power is in no other.

Well, I'm going to go watch a movie about aliens. Have you ever seen, "Attack of the Killer Tomato's"? a classic.

Well, we,re about to have a tornado here..PRAY!
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11

Kat, I think maybe its time to let it go and pray and let God work on his heart.

Maybe it would help Mark to know that the God of scripture tells us to always hope in all things because that is what true love does.

A handful of sinful people here saved by the grace of God still hold out hope for your son. If they have hope for your son then our God does as well, because He IS love.

Im sorry to have to put it this way, but have you ever considered the fact that the doctrine you've adopted after leaving the RCC has played a part in hardening yoru son's heart against Jesus? Maybe its time to let go of whatever pain your previous church has caused you in the past and rethink things for the sake of your son.
---Jasheradan on 6/15/11

Now Darlene1 says she prays for your family. She also believes in free will, and whosoever will. She too believes prayer changes things. Do you tell her what you said here to us? My prayer is your son hear the TRUE Gospel that saves.

Do you tell her her god cannot save?

About Roman Adoption:

Nero was adopted for the purpose of inheriting the throne. Babies were never adopted, nor young children. It was for political purposes. The original father would SELL his son and buy him back, on the third sale teh father would not buy him back, then bringing about a legal transaction for adopton.

Paul was talking about our sharing in the inheritance WITH Christ, as joint heirs.
Not predestination.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11

Markv, you are wound up tighter than a drum. You seem to have both fists up in every blog you are on. Why are you so wound up.

This MY GOD, and your god dialogue was horrible. You acually offend the very CHRIST that is in us. We know we are not fighting against flesh and blood but powers and principalities that hold you in bondage STILL. You have not been set free. You're still in bondage. Just look at yourself, beating the wind.

Beating everyone who loves you and your son.

Why are you so angry? Anger is bondage.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11

Then why didnt God change the heart of your son, Mark?
---CraigA on 6/15/11

Kathr, here is where you gospel is a false gospel, you say you and others should be praying for my lost son. You must mean praying to God. And what is your prayer? That God saves him? But if my son has his own free will and God is helpless in bringing him to faith, why do you pray to God? Pray that what? That God will stand there and do nothing? That is why I don't want you to be praying for my son. Because your god can do nothing. My God can do the impossible. He can change the heart of anyone, and is doing that right now. Your god cannot. My God can grant repentance, your god cannot. My God can bring spiritual life to those who are lost, your god cannot. He needs permission from man. My God is sovereign, yours is not.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/11

Jesus Almighty has no pleasure in the soul that is destroyed. He is not willing that any should perish, but rather that all would come to repentance and thereby be saved. Yes, praying, which is talking with the Almighty is powerful, for we saints know full well that God answers us and gives us the petitions that we desire from him, for when we ask any thing according to his will, he hears us. This said, each soul must choose for themself to either be proChrist or antiChrist, to receive Christ or reject Christ: the soul that serves sin will be condemned, and the soul that serves Christ will have everlasting life.
---Eloy on 6/15/11

Adoption: Lets look into this. When one is adopted, it is the first relinquishing all rights in order for another to have total rights and ownership.

So, were we adopted before the foundation of the world? Well, that would mean we preexisted as satan's children, and God had to get the permission of satan in order to adopt us.

So before we were ever born we existed first as satan's children. Then before we were adopted, this transaction took place before the foundation of the world as we were purchased from satan by the blood of Jesus Christ.

So I guess these guys were born sinless, already washed in the blood!.

Pre-existence...hummm...isn't that MORMON!
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11

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I have prayed for you every day, but God has not answered my prayers.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/11

What are you praying? If your not praying according to His Will, He can't hear you, or it means you are still a sinner and God can't hear you, or you are praying like James says, so you can heap it to your own lusts and desires I would suspect you are praying I become a Calvinist.

God will NEVER answer that prayer. It goes against HIS WILL. Plus it would cause me to bend the knee to Baal,.. I mean Calvinism.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/11

kath4453 wondered why MarkV never attacks Darlene_1. My answer was a true statement about Darlene, which was complimentary and sincere.

I guess Kathr4453 took this as a personal affront or as as "sarcasm". It was not meant to be. We all like Darlene, I think. She has a kind and honest approach that most people admire.
---Donna66 on 6/15/11

Kathr4453 thank you that is nice of you and I appreciate you telling me that. The first thing God called me to do for him was intercessary prayer at 22 and I still feel touched by others needs & to pray. I feel I need to say I'm sorry to you for not being clear enough about the kind of respect I have. Romans 211 For there is no respect of persons with God and I know it wouldn't please God if I had respect of persons therefore I always try to have respect for persons. I base that too on Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. In that way its somewhat spiritual too. I also remember he who loves knows God. As an only child I wanted to please my parents and its more so with God. Thanks for accepting me as I am. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/15/11

Darlene1, I know that you sincerely pray for Markv's lost son. We all need to be doing that. And what love there is in you doing that. Praise God, you truly are a friend.

And I will say with all assurance that MarkV has thanked you for your prayers for his lost son.

Keep praying. and God bless!
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

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scoop, what a wonderful idea. But my understanding is God needs those souls to torture and torment in order to express His love for the LUCKY ones.

It's funny though, When God expresses His love for me each and every day, it is NEVER at the expense of another. If I see an accident or death, God is not saying to me...SEE how much I love you, aren't you the LUCKY ONE, it wasn't you...and then I guess I'm suppose to respond...Oh How LUCKY I am that it wasn't must LOVE me, by hating them.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

Kathr4453, No human deserves salvation but some people caught Gods interest for reasons totally unknown to us but known to God and he chose them prior to the creation of the universe to be in is family as adopted children. Christ crucifixion was the price that had to be paid for the adoption to occur. Paul talked about the process of Roman Adoption to illustrate the process of moving into the family of God. 1st Century Christians understood the meaning but 21st century Christians dont as most are ignorant of Roman culture. But they received God's irresistible Grace before they were ever born. If someone was pick to received the most wonderful gift in the universe that they did not deserve they are Lucky.
---Blogger9211 on 6/14/11

Good eye, Kathr.

"Blogger9211, you are absolutely right with your answer."

And he's making the same mistakes in verb tenses.

"We are advice (advised) to pray like this, "not our will but Your will."

He's said this more than once in his replies as Mark_V:

"they believe God is been (being) defeated everyday".

He's caught in the act.

Donna, sister, I love you in Christ and I know you mean well, but youre only keeping him in his deception. I assure you the things Kathr and others have said about Mark are very true. Please go back as far as you can and reread some of his blogs from months passed.
---CraigA on 6/15/11

A little harsh, Kathr, but it needed to be said. His son may believe he wasnt even chosen to believe in Jesus Christ like his father was (because of the perverse indoctrination by their church). That is a horrible position for any sinner to be in.

My question is this:

What true child of God and father could even be happy believing such a "gospel" knowing that they had been picked for salvation but their own child had not?

Even sinful men couldnt give their own child a plate of food and let the grandchild starve to death. But God could?

Some here can quote scripture well but apparently have yet to experience the fullness of God's love in the Spirit of Jesus Christ!

Love is greater than knowledge!
---Jasheradan on 6/15/11

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When right with God 1John5:14-15and I go to the throne of grace Heb4:16 and ask God (in prayer), If you have chosen such person from before the foundation of this world (to be saved) Eph1:4 please God remove the veil of non-belief and grant them the power to be sons of God Jn1:12 for Your glory honor praise I thank You. In Jesus name Amen
I believe that prayer had an impact Jms5:16 in bringing God's purpose of saving those that He alone saved from the foundations of this earth.
Phil2:13 God gives us the will and desire to do His good pleasure.
One of those things being praying for the unsaved, perchance it may usher in His calling by our planted desire to pray for God's power of bringing and believing by faith upon Jesus the saviour.
---Matthew633 on 6/15/11

scoop: God's thoughts are higher, loftier, all-considering than ours. It is difficult for us to totally grasp all what God does. Some Israelites that died during their Egyptian bondage never knew what God was doing (multiplication of their population).
---Adetunji on 6/15/11

scoop: "why doesn't He do just that, prevent the unpredestinated from being born"

As I understand the predestinationalist paradigm, it is so that He can have the fun of torturing His children forever. Sick, isn't it?
---jerry6593 on 6/15/11

Scoop - This is the same reason why God allowed the option of sin so that we have a choice to follow him or not. Also if everyone is going to be a Christian at some point in time why do we need evangelism. God is love he cannot prevent his children from being born even if he knows that they will reject him. This is found throughout old testament of his children running away from him.
---Scott on 6/15/11

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Kathr, I don't have to hide as you do. I don't go around making names so that it sounds like there is many opposing you as you have done. In reading the blogs your now following Donna66, and making trouble with her for agreeing with me on many issues. You try to find fault on what she says. I've tried many times to answer you kindly only to get insulted again, even when I don't answer. Maybe if you took me out of your mind, you could function as a nice person. Your a slave to your hatred. On this blogs we have all kinds of people who I disagree with, and they with me, but no one hates like you. I don't know what happened in your life, but whatever it was it has not gone away. I have prayed for you every day, but God has not answered my prayers.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/11

Since God can shut up or open thhe womb, why doesn't He do just that, prevent the unpredestinated from being born and allow the predestinated to come forth to make sure that His will that no man perish would automatically be fulfilled because of His sovereign opening/shutting of the womb? If man has no choice to receive Christ, it would be a kind act on God's part to just stop any birth that did not fulfill His predestination requirement.
---scoop on 6/14/11

No Donna66, when I stated we should pray for the Lost, markV/pretending to be Daniel was the one who was CONFRONTATIONAL using my name and making fun of what I stated.

That was my question. Darlene1 stated the same thing before I said anything, and was not confrontational in any way, and I agreed with her post. THEN markv/daniel comes in and makes a confrontational remark. No one was talking to markv/daniel to begin with.

So again donna66, your BLIND eyes again have shown you up.

And every comment coming from Daniel who really is MarkV has been confrontational.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

Well you really can only ask for mercy for the person , but in the end it will be up to the person for his On salvation....
---Isabella on 6/14/11

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So donna666, are you saying it's OK to make fun of someone's faith and beliefs when one is being, in your opinion, confrontational.

Exactly what is your definition of confrontational? Have you ever been confrontational with anyone here. Meaning to confront.

So now we teach that to confront is wrong?

I have just viewed the last 20 posts of kathrines posts and I don't see anything that would bring about sarcasm from a professing Christian. Yet I do see it would probably bring anger and conviction to a lost person.
---James on 6/14/11

//I wonder why MarkV doesn't make fun of your faith and beliefs or as he says believes? Why he doesn't call YOU out by name.//

Probably because Darlene expresses her viewpoints clearly, in a non- confrontational way. She is always kind, never seeking to put another person down.
---Donna66 on 6/14/11

I know Darlene1, it's called having respect of persons, based on personal feelings, not scriptural accuracy.

That's fine. I have a lot of friends too, not even saved who care about me and vice versa. I hope your not praying too hard or wasting any time praying for his lost son, after all, it's a DONE DEAL...

Lucky Markv will get to witness his son being tortured in hell for all eternity JUST SO God can show MarkV how much God loved MarkV.

God according to them cannot express Love any other way but to do it that way.

No wonder his son is lost. That kind of BAD NEWS will never lead anyone to the True LOVE of God.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

Kathr4453 Hi I will try to answer as much as I can from my point of view but really only MarkV could tell you that. MarkV and I are friends and more important Brother and Sister in Christ and we respect each other and we care about each others needs and pray and enough about each others family so that we pray for them. He has never been anything but kind to me and that means a lot. Hope that answers you a little bit. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/14/11

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according to you God created men to die and suffer in "hell" for eternity. He has already chosen who would and who would not have the privilege of heaven so it would be "grace". Yet you say He is love? There are other ways to understand foreknowledge. One, as you believe, Calvinism, what kather is saying, it appears Armenianism and something called relational theism (God has a give and take relationship with men(things happen God doesn't desire (example:he asked Eve "what have you done after telling Adam(he was responsible for his wife's protection) not to eat the fruit so He sent them from the garden so they did not have eternal life in a sinful state))
---willa5568 on 6/14/11

//There is no power in lost man to come to Christ by his own ability - MarkV//

This is why the gospel must be preached.
---Daniel on 8/11/10

The REAL Daniel would disagree with you markV.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

Darlene1 You are SOOOOOO welcome. I wonder why MarkV doesn't make fun of your faith and beliefs or as he says believes? Why he doesn't call YOU out by name.

Why he's not accusing YOU.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

Daniel/ or should I say MarkV, you're not fooling anyone by changing your name here. Maybe you're also Blogger9211. Who knows.

If it's all ready DONE and happened already, there is no need for God to be LONG SUFFERING in the first place.

Then it would read God WAS Long suffering.

If the prayers of the saints mean absolutely NOTHING, then why bother.

Your doctrine also teaches God programmed Mr. Jones next door to RAPE your little daughter in order to bring a life into existence. Making God go completely against His own Sovereign LAWS that thou shall not rape.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

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Mark 9:19 "He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me."

Jesus was teaching men to believe, to have faith.
(Matt.14:31 O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?)

Mark 9:22-24: "And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe, help thou mine unbelief."

Blogger missed the boat to China...
---Nana on 6/14/11

Blogger9211, you are absolutely right with your answer. When people like Kathren answer with, it's God's will that none should parish, they are really saying they believe God is been defeated everyday. That He tries real hard to complete what He has written and decreed, but He cannot accomplish what He proposed in eternity past. Which is really saying, that man is more powerful then God and is defeating Him. And they call that person God. Our Omnipotent God does hear everyone's prayers, doesn't mean He answers to what they ask for. We are advice to pray like this, "not our will but Your will."
---Daniel on 6/14/11

Blogger, you are absolutely right. And no one will be excluded. :-)
---John.usa on 6/13/11

Blogger9211 seems to think we are living in the "BUFFERING ZONE" of a downloaded 1950 movie.

Well folks we live in REAL TIME. AND God said if anyone PRAYS according to His WILL He hears( in real time) and answers.

And we know that God is not WILLING..willing here means HIS WILL, that any should perish, but He is NOW in real time LONGSUFFERING that all will come to repentance.

So is God just longsuffering waiting for a 1950 movie He already saw to come to an end?
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11

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Intercessory prayer is a wonderful thing but you have to understand what it can actually be used for and someone's salvation is not on the list. And the reason is God made the decision on that prior to creation, so prayer has no influence on an event that has happened in the past. So redirect your prayers to constructive activity. If God chose you are in if God rejected you, you are out and there is no action on anyone's part that is going to change that in any way.
---Blogger9211 on 6/13/11

Scott, actually, God plans to save the whole human race. It is quite clear in the New Testament. :-)
---John.usa on 6/13/11

If God has decided to save someone, there isn't a prayer in the world that will make Him change His mind.
---John.usa on 6/10/11

God wants ALL of his children saved. Most people will not be saved but he speaks to everyone about salvation but only a few hear and turn to the narrow road.
---Scott on 6/13/11

Kathr4453 and Nana thank you so much,may God continue to heap blessings upon you and use you greatly for his Kingdom's sake.
---Darlene_1 on 6/13/11

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Darlene_1 gets my vote today. Excellent insight!
---Nana on 6/13/11

Darlene1, I totally agree with your statement and scripture to back it.

Cornelius was not saved, yet prayed. Those prayers were brought before God most likely by an angel who were messenges of God. God then sent a message via an angel to ask for Peter. Then Peter came and presented the Gospel that saves sinners.

Here Hagar and Ishmael were thrown out, not God's chosen, and because they were not chosen as Isaac was, God still heard her prayers and tears and answered her prayer.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/11

We also know from the Book of Jonah, those gentile heathens, also not the Elect, as Israel was God's elect, that Jonah never once asked them to repent. Repent was never even brought up.

YET, of their own conviction through Jonah's words THEY on their own REPENTED and God heard their prayers. Jonah did not Pray for them, but was very angry that God had in fact spared them.

I guess Jonah must have thought God didn't hear the prayers of sinners either.

To say God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners, does not mean He doesn't hear the prayers of a repentant heart leading to salvation.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/11

Mark I agree and written excellently.
---willa5568 on 6/11/11

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John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him,and I will raise him up in the last day. 1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayers,but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil. 1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death,he should pray and God will give him life. The prayers of the Saints come up before God. We can pray God to forgive a brother and he will answer. We also can pray for sinners to be drawn by God to repentence and a new life in Christ Jesus. 2 Peter 3:9--. He is patient with you not wanting anyone to perish,but everyone to come to repentence.
---Darlene_1 on 6/11/11

I really don't know how many times this has to be mentioned but here it goes again. Unbelievers don't pray to God, they are unbelievers, they don't believe or trust in Him. Only believers pray to God for they have faith and trust in Him, for only they hear His voice. No amount of prayers from a lost person will save him. God's grace through faith saves him. All one can do is acknowledge in our hearts He is the Christ who died for our sins, and has risen. People have to believe in their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and they will be saved. Whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Only those who believe by faith call on the name of the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/11

Alan, yes, it logically follows. But God has decided to save everyone according to 1 Tim.2:4 and 4:10. That makes me happy! :-)
---John.usa on 6/11/11

John usa .. It follows that if God has decided not to save someone, there is not a prayer in the world, even that person's own prayerm that will save him
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/11/11

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Mima, the Gospel of Christ saves. Cluny is right in his answer to you. How do you know the person is saved by your prayers when it could have been by the prayers of others? Maybe someone you don't know. John usa is also correct, whom God will save only He knows and nothing can stop God from saving whom He will's to save. Bill Willa is also correct giving "..It says, "we do not know what we should pray for as we ought," in Romans 8:26. Some are selfish in their request because they want salvation for their families, they wish for everyone in the family to be saved. It does not mean they will be saved. But we are called to pray for them after giving them the gospel Truth. Praying is part of our relationship with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/11

I believe when we pray for a lost person, we pray the Holy Spirit will open their eyes, and heart. I don't believe MY prayers can MAKE someone receive Jesus Christ. THEY still have to do the believing and receiving.

So many prayed my husand would get saved. How interresting it was when he would get home, so disgusted and say, EVERYWHERE I go, someone is telling me about Jesus. On the Plane next to me, one stranger asked if he could sit and have breakfast with me, and then starts telling me about Jesus...their like magnets.

This went on for months and months, and my husband still did not want anything to do with Christianity, but I know God was answering prayers people prayed for his salvation.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/11

If God has decided to save someone, there isn't a prayer in the world that will make Him change His mind.
---John.usa on 6/10/11

Cluny -- Yes, Cluny, I DO know that being saved does not depend on mere theological theory!

I believe I mentioned that my father was a deist.
He believed that Jesus was a "great Teacher", that's all...because he did not believe God is involved or concerned about the affairs of men. That's one reason no "theology" could reach him.

If I had thought believing a theory was the important thing, I wouldn't have said, "OUR efforts alone will not turn a soul towards God."
---Donna66 on 6/10/11

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Praying for someone's salvation is great, and to some degree effective - if it convicts that person they need salvation. But, only the person in need of salvation can ask Christ to forgive them of sin and only that person can accept Christ as Savior. It can't be done by proxy.
---wivv on 6/10/11

Praying for someone to be saved helps the one who is praying as well as the person being prayed for. The final decision for the Lord is still the responsibility of the one to-be-saved, but the one who is praying for him will be much relieved.
---Adetunji on 6/10/11

\\He was not hostile towards God, simply unbelieving in Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross\\

Donna66, does our salvation depend on our faith in Christ Jesus--or faith in a theory about how He saves us.

There IS a difference, you know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/9/11

The prayers of a righteous man are powerful and effective. God for some unknown unfathomable sense listens to the prayers of the saints. He changes His mind. That is awesome to behold. We as Chrisitans must lay hold of this 'opportunity afforded to us by the grace of God on behalf of Christ' that we have the awesome responsibility to be able to change God's stance against a sinner, against a town, against a city, againt a country even against a world full of sin! Do we dare not take advantage of that even for the smallest portion of what prayer can 'effectually do in the name of Christ' and for His express Glory?
---ivan9398 on 6/9/11

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mima, did you really want to discuss an issue, or just show off notches on your Bible?

How do you know it was YOUR prayers that got someone "saved?" Maybe it was another person's--such as the woman's prayers for her husband--that had such efficacy.

As someone greater than either of us said, "I plant, Apollos waters, but God gives the increase."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/9/11

I believe it can certainly move God to put situations in their lives that would give them an opportunity to believe. But as to their salvation, that is a decision only they can make, which our prayer cannot effect at all. The greatest thing we can offer is the light of Christ in our lives, that if those situation do come, we can comfort them with the comfort with which we have.
---willa5568 on 6/9/11

Hi, anon (c: How do we pray for our enemies? you ask. Well, I don't know. It says, "we do not know what we should pray for as we ought," in Romans 8:26. But I consider that God wants me to love my enemies as myself, and care about their being forgiven as much as I care about myself being forgiven. And what you are now thinking could be the prayer that God is hearing! (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 6/9/11

I'm convinced it can. I prayed for my Father's salvation for nearly 40 years. He was not hostile towards God, simply unbelieving in Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Nothing I could say seemed to affect him. I certainly could not "out-argue" him for he was a master of logic and a PhD in a scientific field. He could probably be best described as a deist.

BUT the Holy Spirit must have worked on him, because I led him to the Lord when he was 97 year old. I cannot account for this other than by prayer.

I cannot report such outcomes for everyone I've prayed for. But this I know: OUR efforts alone will not turn a soul towards God.
---Donna66 on 6/9/11

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---Robyn I did not know better than this. Many times I have been led to pray for someone's salvation only to see that person saved at a later date. Has this not happen to you? And if so how do you account for it? Once at a big dinner I heard a woman describe how her husband had just been saved. Just moments later I realized that I had prayed about this man's salvation just days before. Let us have others comment about things like this happening in their lives
---mima on 6/9/11

In the gospel of Matthew Jesus said to pray for your enemies. HOW? Did Jesus say HOW to pray for your enemies?

I heard to pray for their salvation so that when and if they get saved, they have to repent for their sins.
---anon on 6/9/11

Mima you know better than this. You are a veteran on this blog. I have been here almost 10 years and I saw you here whenI first started. I wish it did work this way. I would pray a lot of folk into heaven.
---Robyn on 6/8/11

While Jesus was on the cross, Jesus prayed, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34) After this prayer, then was when that criminal stood up for Jesus and asked Jesus to remember him when Jesus comes in His kingdom > Luke 23:34-43.

And Jesus in us can do this. But Jesus prayed with commitment to forgiving. We need to be committed to forgiveness > "'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)
---Bill_willa6989 on 6/8/11

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Yes, in an indirect way. The person who is being prayed for could be led to make a decision for Christ because I have prayed for him/her but he/she will still have to get involved peronally in the process of salvaton by taking a stand for Jesus. In other words, it is not automatic!
---Pierre on 6/8/11

While only Jesus is the Savior, I think it is true that we participate in each other's redemption and salvation by our prayers for one another.

To give a specific example, my Baptist Sunday School teachers certainly participated in my salvation.

And St. Paul said, "We know all things [which surely includes others' intercessions for us] work together for good....according to HIS purpose."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/8/11

Yes...for the most part. When we intercede for a lost person it opens up opportunities for the gospel to be preached to them. Also, we can fight in the spirit for the person & bind the hand of anything keeping the person from knowing the truth. Once we do our part then it is up to them to recieve salvation.

On another note, our prayers won't change a person's will. If their heart is hardened they won't receive the gospel.
---Rickey on 6/8/11

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