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Listen To A False Teacher

Why is it people will go listen to someone who has been exposed and proven to be a FALSE TEACHER, and a SERVANT OF SATAN, allow themselves to be hypnotized, placed in a trance, and manipulated out of their money. Yet you cannot get these people to study the Bible in their own homes?

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Jesheradan, you gave an opinion yet didn't provide Scripture to proof what you said is Truth. You talked about limited atonement, and said.
"They sin they perish for is rejecting the Savior."
All descendants of Adam are heading to hell already, they are parishing already. They are born in sin. Condemned already. They need Christ to pull them out of that road to hell. Only one way into heaven, through Christ Jesus. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
We also know the atonement is limited because not all are going to heaven. It is limited to those who have faith. Some false teachers here come to mind.
---Mark_V. on 6/14/11


My final post of this blog: If you believe:
I do not think many people consider any person or denomination has all the truth. .
---Warwick on 6/10/11
I think it's more likely that you will find EVERY church you go to will be teaching 90-99% correct doctrine and 1-10% error..
---StrongAxe on 6/11/11
. No single denomination teaches everything perfect. ---Mark_V. on 6/13/11

Then you MUST find out what your denomination is not teaching perfect. ONE LIE is one lie to many. If you are SURE as some here are, that no one gets it all right. Then you are also sure that you do not have it all right.

How an anyone live with 1-10% false doctrine?
1 out of every ten things your church teaches MAY BE false?
---francis on 6/14/11


Donna66
I did read your post. None of what Jesus said was new,
How this text was interpeted: Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

led to divorce for any cause.
what does uncleanliness mean, that she cannot keep house?

aslo see Deuteronomy 22:13-23 see how thatcan be miss used. No matter what the bible said, you cannot stop people from doing as they please. who wanted to get divorce would find a reason to do so
---francis on 6/14/11


Francis---You Did not read my post carefully, NOR Matt 5!
No, the NEW commandment was:
love one another, as I have loved you,... how could anyone in the OT obey this?
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time....."Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement"
Mat 5:3 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. This was not considered true in the OT. Or Matt 5:33-34 "Thou shalt not forswear thyself but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:"
But I say unto you, Swear not at all...
---Donna66 on 6/13/11


Ruben, I don't expect you to understand because you are a Roman Catholic and as such you believe the RCC teaching are equal or even higher then God's teachings. You also believe they wrote the Truth. So I can understand your frustrations and your response. But what I said was Truth, Only God's Word can interpret God's Word correctly every time. No one else has the authority equal or higher then God's, especially the Catholic Church. I was you a long time ago. The charge of legalism against the RCC is a legal charge. When a church has turned the Gospel of salvation through faith and new life in Jesus Christ and instead substitutes some principle of merit for the unearned grace of God it is called legalism. And that is what they have done.
---Mark_V. on 6/13/11




//So long as man have to interpret Scripture, they will fail many times because they are human, and man always fail in some way are another.// Mark_V

As is the case with "limited atonement" when the Bible makes it clear with 1 single verse that even those who reject Christ, still had the grace of God bestowed upon them by Jesus Christ purchasing them with his blood. They sin they perish for is rejecting the Savior.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Know anyone who fits in this category?
---Jasheradan on 6/13/11


StrongAxe, you ask Mark "Then what would you call a teacher who is sincere, yet makes an error in one part of his doctrine?"

Human, StrongAxe!
---Warwick on 6/13/11


Mostly right Francis. The New commandment gives the messiah a name. Believe on the Lord JESUS CHRIST. We are also to love as he loves.

This is new because no one really knew how much GOD loved till He died on the cross.
---Samuel on 6/13/11


-Donna66 on 6/13/11
First see: 2 Peter 3:16

Second Jesus never taught one new thing: He explain some old things in the way that they were originally intended, but at that time was being missquoted. Just like today

While speaking to His disciples, he told them as a group to show love for each other.(stop fighting amoung themselve) he had never told them as a group this.

Do you really think loving each other was a new commandments?
Leviticus 19:18 thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself:
Deuteronomy 10:19 Love ye therefore the stranger
Proverbs 17:17 A friend loveth at all times

between the neighbour the stranger and the friend is not not clear to love each other?
---francis on 6/13/11


"Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Ever heard of the " city of refuge:" where eye for eye does not exist but rather mercy?

Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Exodus 23:4 If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart
Job 31:1 I made a covenant with mine eyes, why then should I think upon a maid?

New! i doubt it, It is like a used car: NEW TO YOU
---Francis on 6/13/11




\\Are you willing to share?
---francis on 6/13/11\\

Most of what you say is false doctrine, francis.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/11


Francis--//Most of the difference in OT and NT doctrines obviously come form the writings of Paul.//

Really? Jesus said (Jhn 13:34) A NEW commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you,...
Not applicable during OT. times.
Read the words of Jesus in
Matt chap 5: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time.....Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement : Thou shalt not kill : Thou shalt not commit adultery :Thou shalt not forswear thyself : An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
After each of these, JESUS proclams but I say unto you... and proceeds to make radical changes in, or additions to, the OT code.
---Donna66 on 6/13/11


Many here do not believe that any denominationor church can have 100% truth. Tell me, what are the false teaching in your church / denomination. Are you willing to share?
---francis on 6/13/11


Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
Mar 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
Mar 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mar 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance, but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
---TheSeg on 6/13/11


Mat 5:21a Ye have heard that it was said...
Mat 5:22a But I say unto you...
(Mat 5:27-28,31-32,33-34,38-39,43-44)
Mat 12:5-6 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple.
Mat 12:34-36 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
---micha9344 on 6/13/11


(2/3)If you think that this: Matthew 15:20 "These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."
means you are free to eat as you please:Then you will notice that it contradicts this:
Leviticus 11:44 neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

Then your understanding of Mathhew 15:20 is flawed because God does not contradict himself

Most likely Jesus is saying: to eat with UNWASHED hands defileth not a man, and not giving permision to eat as we please

Check the context are they even speaking of clean and unclean foods?
---francis on 6/13/11


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Mark v* The Bible itself is it's own Supreme Court.

But the Bible tell us the Church is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Tim 3:15)

Mark V *Sacred Scripture is it's own interpreter.

Really, where?

Mark V*What is obsure in one part of Scripture may be made clear in another.

Really, Where does it explain the doctrine of the Trinity, tells us which books belong in the Bible?

Mark V * The reason many mistakes are done is that believers interpreted Scripture

Something you do very well!
---Ruben on 6/13/11


When it comes to issues of sin, only someone with a reprobate and degenarate mind would teach that is it acceptable to christian to perform any act of sin, especially knowing the price that Jesus paid for sin.
We know that it was sin which placed jesus on the cross. Is the bible has ever called anything a sin, an abomination, it is that singular act that placed jesus on the cross. Only a reprobate and degenerate mind would teach that it is acceptable to perform any act that caused jesus his life, and only those deveived would believe him.
---francis on 6/13/11


Donna66 on 6/12/11 ( 1/3)
To decide which doctrines are true is very easy.
1: God does not contradict himself. 2: No bible writer condircts himself or another.

Most of the difference in OT and NT doctrines obviously cme form the writings of paul.
BUt the bible tells us:
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So if something seems to be different in what paul wrote, check the OT, and agree that the problem is that our understand of what the author is saying is the error

EXAMPLE
---francis on 6/13/11


Strongaxe, every teacher errors on some points at some time. No one is perfect but God. "For all come short of the glory of God". The important thing for us to know is, if what a teacher teaches is all Truth or not. And we do that by looking up what they say to what is written. Some though, (false teachers,) are out to separate the believer from the Truth, that is their intentions from the heart. They are working with the spirit of the anti-christ. They pervert Truth with a lie. We need to expose them. Were consistently warned against those. Not those who make human mistakes.
Example: the RCC teaches that they have authority equivent to God's Word. Their intentions are wrong, they are human but don't acknowledge they are.
---Mark_V. on 6/13/11


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Mark_V.:

Then what would you call a teacher who is sincere, yet makes an error in one part of his doctrine?
---StrongAxe on 6/13/11


Axey: " In doctrines that ARE important, he is very clear, and usually writes much about the subject."

Even in these extremely clear cases (e.g., The Ten Commandments), many people prefer man-made doctrines to the clear Word of God.
---jerry6593 on 6/13/11


francis, you said,
"I am to understand that some of you do not believe that the truth on every docrine can be found and taught by a single denominations?"
Yes that is true. No single denomination teaches everything perfect. Donna66 and Strongaxe gave you great points. So long as man have to interpret Scripture, they will fail many times because they are human, and man always fail in some way are another. That should be easy to understand. The Bible itself is it's own Supreme Court. Sacred Scripture is it's own interpreter. What is obsure in one part of Scripture may be made clear in another. The reason many mistakes are done is that believers interpreted Scripture many times according to their own desires and prejudices.
---Mark_V. on 6/13/11


Thank you Mark, however, if I speak any truth, the glory belongs to God.

I just LOVE the verse you quoted: "So shall My Word be that goes forth

from My mouth, It shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish

what I please, and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it". i

see such promise, power and hope in it. It always reminds me of when I first realized the power of Gods spoken word, thank you for sharing.
---Christina on 6/13/11


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francis:

What about these doctrinines?

Baptism:
a) Jesus said "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
b) Every instance of the Apostles doing it was "in the name of Jesus"

Salvation:
a) Paul said "by faith alone"
b) James said "by faith and works"

Eating pork?
a) Moses said no
b) Jesus said we are not defiled by what goes into the mouth, Peter was told not to call unclean what God calls clean

Eating meat?
a) God forbade it at the beginning
b) God allowed it after the flood

There are many places where the Bible is not specific about something, or IS specific at one time, and changes its mind at another time.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/11


francis---
//The problem is people are not humble enough to say that their teaching is false.//

The problem is that no church believes their teaching is "false".
---Donna66 on 6/12/11


francis:

There are many things the Bible is not clear about, and there are strong disagreements about them.

Some examples: baptism (immersion vs. sprinkling, adult vs. infant, in the name of Jesus vs. the name of the trinity), communion (weekly vs. annual), tribulation (pre-trib, post-trib, or none), etc.

One church says "we believe this", other says "we believe that" - and a neutral third party cannot look to the Bible to see which is correct.

Frequently, God is not specific about certain things because the details are not important enough to give us further guidance on. In doctrines that ARE important, he is very clear, and usually writes much about the subject.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/11


Christina, your answer was great. When a teacher is a false teacher, it isn't because he is in error on some part of doctrine, but because he is a wolf in sheeps clothing, trying to separate the children of God, trying to deceive "if possible" even the Elect, which is really impossible. But as we know all man fail, and God knew they would, but when someone speaks Truth of God's Word it always accomplishes it's purpose,
"So shall My Word be that goes forth from My mouth, It shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please, and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it" Those who make mistakes God knew, but the Truth they speak of God will have power.
---Mark_V. on 6/12/11


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Francis-- To use your example of Baptist and Pentecostal... There are many things they agree on. True, they do not believe exactly the same about everything, but both would quote, with equal fervor, Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. And Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

Setting aside the fact that all Baptists do not believe the same and all Pentecostal don't believe the same, you come down to a disagreement based on the INTERPRETATION (not neglect) of scripture.

How do you, francis, decide what is wrong, and what is right, about which doctrines?
And would you expect everyone to agree with YOU?
Not as simple as it sounds.
---Donna66 on 6/12/11


HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM

I am to understand that some of you do not believe that the truth on every docrine can be found and taught by a single denominations?

I disagree

On every single doctrine we can find what the bible has to say.
there are 2000 denominations out there, and as we find the truth on every single individaul doctrine we can mark them off one by one

who is willing to take this challenge

BIBLE ONLY

I am FRANCIS and francis
---francis on 6/12/11


Francis, I comprehend the scriptures you have given. But what is their relevance to this thread, or what I have written?

BTW we have francis and FRANCIS, are you one and the same?

Regarding teaching falsehood: there is a great difference between knowingly teaching falsehoods (lying) and the teaching of people whose heart is right with God, but who still do not have the whole truth. Who does except God! Therefore even the most Godly of preachers will make genuine mistakes. That is the nature of man.

Let us not worry if a brother genuinely holds a different view of end times, for example. Let us focus our efforts upon the willing deceivers.
---Warwick on 6/11/11


---StrongAxe on 6/11/11
God IS perfect, man is not.
But 2 Samuel 22:31 As for God, HIS WAY is perfect, THE WORD of the LORD is tried:
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul.
Psalms 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines
Malachi 3:6 For I AM the LORD, I change not,

God does not change his Love, Lawe, Word or mercy. So enev if we are not perfect the Love, Law and Mercy of God are perfect.
We are called to teach doctrines that is the same yesterday today and forever. Any variance is false teaching. Agreed?
---francis on 6/11/11


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We know from the Bible that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, thus any doctrine that shows a change from OT to NT ( yesterday to today)is divers and strange doctrines.

So any church That teach any doctrine that is different from OT to NT is a false church.

The problem is people are not humble enough to say that their teaching is false.

I grew up Catholic, I have no issues with people who are catholic, but I was humble and brave enough to say that I can see that what is taught in the Catholic church was not consistant with yesterday, today and forever.
Peter 3:16 Paul wrote some some things which are hard to be understood, some who are unlearned and unstable wrest, unto their own destruction.
---francis on 6/11/11


I am not sure churches that existed 1900 years ago know better. History records what churches in general taught 1900 years ago. There was even then some confusion.

But many old churches have added traditions on to their teachings and changed their teachings over the years.

One of the things I have learned from studing church history is how doctrines and teachings change over the centuries.

For instance that the Pope in rome was the Vicar of Christ was not taught by the early church and is not accepted by other 1900 year old churches.
---Samuel on 6/11/11


I disagree with both Francis and Cluny. They are assuming that somebody somewhere, has true and accurate doctrine in every respect. Naturally, Cluny believes his church is it.
God's word alone is perfect. But He didn't make us perfect to interpret it. Look at the different beliefs among devout Bible-reading Christians on these blogs!

I, myself, believe the Gospel is fairly simple. But people add all sorts or requirements... Picking apart every jot and
tittle of the Word. Judging who is or is not really CHRISTIAN.
If some teacher disagrees with me about, say, Baptism. do I call them a false teacher? No.
They probably have a good reason for their belief....but so do I for mine. Let God judge.
---Donna66 on 6/11/11


2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all decevableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2:11 And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion. that they should believe a lie.

2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness
---RICHARDC on 6/12/11


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Donna66 Cluny This is a worthwile activity. Me must agree on an unchanging standard. Can we all agree on a single standard. Mine would surely be That the word of God once spoken, that the law of God once issued does not change.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
2 Samuel 22:31 As for God, his way [is] perfect, the word of the LORD [is] tried: he [is] a buckler to all them that trust in him.
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

good enough
---FRANCIS on 6/11/11


francis:

Again, even though God may be perfect, men and churches are not. If a church tought something that was in error in the past, it is better that they acknowledge it and fix it, than to continue to teach the error forever. Also, denominations that have been around for 1900 years probably have a better idea what was taught 1900 years ago, than denominations that have been around for 100 years.
---StrongAxe on 6/11/11


---Donna66 Cluny No problems
But I will need your help a little OK? We need an agreed upon standard: Can we agree on this as our basis of our standfard:
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

If a denomination does not have same doctrines as yesterday today and forever are they teaching falsehood?

That the doctrines of God will be the same yesterday today and forever?

Psalms 138:2 for thou hast magnified THY WORD above all thy name.
---francis on 6/11/11


//Scripture says we are to study to show ourselves approved.--Trish on 6/9/11//
Amen,
plus it says "unto God,(not man) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly DIVIDING the word of truth."
It can be rightly divided, so it can be wrongly divided. Many seem not to be able to do that.
---michael_e on 6/11/11


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Rom 14:2-5 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
-Sounds to me like liberty in the nonessentials.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
---micha9344 on 6/11/11


As I see it, a false teacher differs from a teacher who may have some doctrinal error, but professes Jesus as Lord and savior. A truly false teacher will lead others away from Jesus Christ, or preach a false Christ. If a teacher professes the true Christ, he may have some error in his beliefs on more minor issues. My first teacher as a new christian, always told us to check all he says against the Word, and if we think he's in error, to come to him with correction. I've seen him confess error, ask forgiveness. What's really troubling is though that think they cannot err, 1 Corinthians 10:12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
---Christina on 6/11/11


\\Francis, //I could do the same for 1999 of the 2000 denomination until I find the one with a true SET of doctrines//

Why don't you do that? Let me know when you find the ONE and ONLY denomination (out of 2000) with true doctrines. Only one now, remember...\\

I've told francis repeatedly where he can find the one PRE-denominational church with an entirely true set of doctrines, but he refuses to receive sound doctrine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/11


Francis, //I could do the same for 1999 of the 2000 denomination until I find the one with a true SET of doctrines//

Why don't you do that? Let me know when you find the ONE and ONLY denomination (out of 2000) with true doctrines. Only one now, remember...
---Donna66 on 6/10/11


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It takes a lot of understanding of the Greek and Hebrew culture, a knowledge of the language they spoke and an unbiased mindset to really learn the truths of scripture. If a person studies the bible only based on the doctrine they are accustomed to, then they will learn very little. One thing that has been lost in the church today is the bible is written from a Jewish point of view which is often times lost when we apply scripture to our western culture. Of coarse meditating on scripture to gain understanding from the Father is essential.
---willa5568 on 6/10/11


As christians, we are often critical of other groups and even christian groups which adopt the " I'm O.K, you're O.K" mentality.
Yet we are guilty of the same:
Among our various denominatiosn we have the same mentality. We say amoung ourselves " I'm O.K, you are O.K" we just have a different understanding of the "none essencials."
Here is a popular favourite: " with the essencials unity, with non essencials liberty."
What we are really saying is" I accept your false teaching, now you accept mine.
I think it is high time we wake out of sleep.
---francis on 6/11/11


francis:

We are ALL imperfect. I think it's more likely that you will find EVERY church you go to will be teaching 90-99% correct doctrine and 1-10% error. The key is to NOT merely swallow everything they tell you uncritically, but "search the scriptures daily whether these things be so" like the Bereans did. This way you will gain the benefit of the truth, wherever it is taught, while rejecting the error, wherever it is taught.
---StrongAxe on 6/11/11


simply because every teacher allready has been accused of this. including Jesus
---andy3996 on 6/11/11


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This is why it's called deception. Many who have been deceived who truly have Christ in them WILL come out from them.

But those who stay in this deception I believe God has given them over to their own lusts and desires.

Many are in cults, just as we saw those who followed Jim Jones, and lost their lives doing so. This is also scarry. But whether you lose your life here or for all eterniity, is I believe a choice. Once one chooses to follow man and not God, it's Idolotry, and scripture says is worthy of death.

It's worshiping the man and not God.

Thou shall have no other God's before me, is a much truth today as was in Genesis 1, when Eve was deceived and as a result ....
---kathr4453 on 6/11/11


Francis, I believe your wrong and Donna66 is correct. She said,

"Most of all Christians should be TAUGHT not to trust that every well-known Christian speaker is right..or even truthful! They should check each teaching with the bible and prayer."

First of all, "All come short of the glory of God." God never fails. So long as man interpret Scripture they will fail many times in the interpretations. As Donna66 said, we should all check what someone teaches and compare to Scripture. No matter who it is, even you or me. Religious talk some times covers the errors they make and people miss the false teachings many times. Other times the enemy is working with some to bring doubt to Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/11


--Donna66
Very simple and BOLD: EXAMPLE: If the Baptist church is teaching the truth, then the penticostal church is teaching error. They each have a different set of doctrines, both sets cannot be truth. Either one set is true while the other is false or both are false. (they each may have some truth). I could do the same for 1999 of the 2000 denomination until I find the one with a true SET of doctrines. The bible has ONE truth on every doctrine that cannot be changed.

---Warwick
1: There are people who want to be called "christian" But are not willing to follow the oracles of God. They Just want the name isaiah 4
2: There are peeople who force* the scripture to suit their own sinful habits. 2 Peter 3:16
---francis on 6/10/11


Reality is that most denominations are not formed because of bible study. They are formed rather on disagreement on One or two doctrinal differences

Example: The Lutherans church is very similar to the RCC and hold many of it's doctrines as truth ( even though those doctrines MAY be false), they disagree in one or two doctrines which Luther found fault with.
EXAMPLES: 1609 Baptist Church founded by John Smyth, due to objections to infant baptism and demands for church-state separation
1901 Pentecostal Church formed in Topeka, Kansas in reaction to loss of evangelical fervor among Methodists and other denominations

They retain most of the ( false) doctrines of thier parent churches
---francis on 6/10/11


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Francis--//IF there are 2000 christian denominations we know that 1999 of them are false teachers//
How so? That's a pretty high percentage? Some denominations agree on practically everything except church administration.

But every Christian should know the Bible well enough that they can quickly think of scripture that seems to either confirm or contradict every major doctrinal teaching they hear.

However, the Holy Spirit will sometimes cause a believer to question something they hear, without them immediately identifying why.

Most of all Christians should be TAUGHT not to trust that every well-known Christian speaker is right..or even truthful! They should check each teaching with the bible and prayer.
---Donna66 on 6/10/11


Francis you have addressed two scriptures to me. What is your point?

BTW a lie occurs when a person knowingly promotes an idea or belief, which they know to be untrue. A lie is a purposeful deceit.

There will always be differences of opinion about the finer points of Scripture between dedicated people. That is the nature of humanity.

The rejection of what Scripture clearly says is another thing.
---Warwick on 6/10/11


The Bible says we are responsible to check out what a prophet says. "Study to shew thyself approved..." is Paul's word to Timothy. The problem is that we are too busy living in the world to do that.
As far as the recent date setting with Harold Camping, it seems to me that he is deeply embedded in the scriptures (and has been for several decades.) I have read several thousand pages he has written. Although I don't agree with his prophetic date setting or his amillenial position, everything he proposed could be inferred by what the Bible says. Unfortunately, many congregations and denominations have abandoned scripture. But the day and hour Christ returns doesn't matter. All that does matter is if YOU are ready TODAY, RIGHT NOW.
---Brother_David on 6/10/11


How is it decided what the fundamental doctrines are? By tradition and consensus. Not much else to go on, I don't think....
---John.usa on 6/10/11


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StrongAxe on 6/10/11

Yes it does!!. EXAMPLE: If one denomination is teaching pre tribulation rapture and another post rbulation rapture, both cannot be right. Both may be wrong, but both cannot be right, thus one or Both are simply teaching a lie. It is as simple as that.

---Warwick
Reference: Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
---francis on 6/10/11


2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,
---micha9344 on 6/10/11


Sheepish followers with no ambitions of learning the truth but regurgitating the half truths they have been taught.
---paul on 6/10/11


People often choose to be followers in the hope of getting something for nothing.

To do the right the thing to give up TV time to study the bible that is too hard.

Let others think for you and just follow what they say.

Many want to be rich and so follow those who are rich in the hope that they too will get to have many houses and cars.

Still others get so proud of their knowledge they put others down because they do not know something instead of realizing we are all sinners in need of Grace.
---Samuel on 6/10/11


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that's what they want. They seek those who supposedly do signs and wonders and teach they can get rich. It's not the truth they want it's a show, which is very common in many churches today without false teachers. None of these so called teachers with the exception of a few even hold a bible none the less use it.
---willa5568 on 6/10/11


People simply find it easier to accept what they hear than to study for themselves. They also will be drawn to all the hoopla or activity which often advertises that kind of preacher. Perhaps they don't know how to "study"the Bible or they frankly don't read well,understand what they do read or are very slow at it. Then there're others who don't like to study anything. And, 1 Timonthy4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead,to suit thir own desires,they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
---Darlene_1 on 6/10/11


francis:

It does not have to be all black and white. Just because two denominations differ, it doesn't necessarily mean that one of them is "false teachers". Often, the points that denominations differ on are matters of taste, not fundamental dogmas.

Now, when they ARE about fundamental dogmas, then your comment may be applicable, but this is by no means all (or even most) of the time.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/11


Francis,I do not think many people consider any person or denomination has all the truth. However many people are true seekers after Biblical truth, as are many denominations. I have heard excellent Bible-based teaching in many churches of different denominations. I have also heard nonBiblical nonsense taught in some churches, of the same denomination. If you have an intimate knowledge of God's word error is obvious.

What is always encouraging to see is a church which accepts the straight-forward truth of God's word, right from page one. Churches which start this way tend to get the rest right, and the reverse.
---Warwick on 6/10/11


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Warwick, good answer. I agree.
---John.usa on 6/10/11


Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

IF there are 2000 christian denominations we know that 1999 of them are false teachers, so people need to examine their OWN TEACHERS before they look at another
---francis on 6/10/11


Why do people keep believing the weather person, even after all the times the weather prediction is wrong?

Why did Charlie Brown keep trying to kick the football that was being held by Lucy, even though each year she again would pull it away and Charlie would kick thin air and fall on his back? (c:

Why do people marry the wrong person, in spite of the warning signs?

Why do people stay with leaders who can't tell the difference between a good pastor and a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Because they are convinced they can't get what they want from anyone else, perhaps. But with God we can get what is so better!
---Bill_willa6989 on 6/10/11


John, a false teacher is one who teaches things which are contradicted by or in opposition to Scripture.

There will always be disagreement on the finer details even between sincere Bible believers. However anyone who says Jesus did not physically rise from the dead is in direct opposition to and contradicted by Scripture. They are therefore false teachers, and not genuine Christians.
---Warwick on 6/10/11


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1. 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
We as Christians need to guard against false teachers, and consider all we are taught with prayer and the Word.
---Christina on 6/10/11


Rob you ask a good question. Our guidelines in this matter must be the Bible. For example, someone teach that Joseph Smith is a problem of God. Someone teaches that we should call Mary Holy. Or that God makes mistakes, such as, he would name making a mistake when he saved you if it were possible for you to be lost again. Following our guide all of the above are false teachings
---mima on 6/10/11


Contary to the prior post, we can in fact know who are false teachers by listening to their message and knowing the truth of the Word of God ourselves.

The answer to the blog question is within the blog question. Studying the Word of God is the answer to listening to false teachers. The Spirit will quicken the Word to your mind as you listen to their false message and you will know what is false when you hear it. Happens to me all the time.

The solution to getting people to study the Word of God is get them to love God and want a relationship with Him. Without His Word, we cannot know Him and studying His Word lets us see who He truely is and how much He loves us. Studying His Word also proves how much we love Him.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/10/11


Who decides who the false teachers are? There isn't a person alive who can speak authoritatively on behalf of the whole Body of Christ.
---John.usa on 6/10/11


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Sounds to me like you already have you mind made up why in your question.

Why did you bother about asking it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/10/11


Those who know the truth of any matter are not easily deceived.

I have been to church meetings where an engaging speaker has spun a web of half truths. Half truths are more succesfull than straight out lies.

These speakers have artfully spun a web of deceit and fooled many. However they do not easily fool those who have an up close and personal relationship with God, through prayer, and His word, through constant reading.

Those without this relationship are easy pray for cults.

We should always remember to check what anyone says by only one test, not our desires or feelings, but by the clear bright light of Truth His word sheds. In this light Truth glows and deceit is as dark as midnight.
---Warwick on 6/10/11


It is because they are not studying the Scripture on their own, and allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal Truth to them. The only message they are getting is the lies of the false teacher.

Scripture says we are to study to show ourselves approved.
---Trish on 6/9/11


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