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What Is The Age Of The Earth

If the earth is billions of years old (as some claim), why did God try to deceive us by claiming that it was created in only six evening-morning days (Exodus 20:11)?

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Warwick, those 410 occurrences of the word 'day' likely apply to man's experience of time. A day to man is 24hours- but not to Jehovah.

God created during 6 specific periods which Exodus 20:9-11 does not confirm as being 24hours. God's count of time is different to man's. The Israelites knew as testified by Moses that God's creative 'week' was not less than 144hours, but much longer- see Psalms 90:4. (written by Moses)

'Evening and morning' statements by God in the Genesis account do not correspond to 24hours- for they are not. God is outside man's count of time as everyone agrees. The expression 'evening and morning' is figurative. When a creative period is complete, a 'dawning' or a realisation of God's purposes is understood.
---David8318 on 6/26/11


"Warwick, I am prepared to believe Jehovah God can create anything- perhaps everything in an instant."---David8318 on 6/25/11
Booyah!!! I agree completely with that statement.
Alleluia! For the Lord God 'Omnipotent' reigns!" Rev 19:6
"Let all the earth fear the LORD, Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. For He spoke, and it was done, He commanded, and it stood fast." Psa. 33:8,9
"Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created. He also established them forever and ever, He made a decree which shall not pass away." Psa. 148:1-6
---joseph on 6/25/11


David the proof that God created in 6 earth-rotation, 24hr days is in Genesis 1. Exodus 20:8-11 confirms this.

God,(having defined one day as being composed of evening and morning, the same as the days we live) says He created in 6 of these, and rested the 7th. He then repeats to the Israelites (Exodus 20:8-11) that He created in 6 days and rested the 7th Day so they would work for 6 days and rest the 7th day. But you would have us believe that the '6-days' here have different meanings!

Day with a number, as used in Genesis 1 is used, as a singular or plural, with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it always means an ordinary day.

Your view has no foundation in Scripture, grammar, or logic!
---Warwick on 6/25/11


Warwick: "Cluny I am happy with that, the earth will never "waver, slip, shake, or fall." That is it will never be moved from the orbit God set it upon."

During the Haitian, Chilean, and Japanese earthquakes, the earth did indeed "waver, slip, and shake" of its axis. But those are nothing compared to what is to come. I sure hope everyone is wearing the full amour of God.
---Steveng on 6/25/11


Warwick: "I agree that a thousand years are in God's sight like a day."

Like many verses in the bible, this verse is simply a metaphor indicating that God's time is not the same as our time.
---Steveng on 6/25/11




Warwick, I am prepared to believe Jehovah God can create anything- perhaps everything in an instant. What I disagree with is the use of Exodus 20:9-11 as a means to prove God's 'six days' of creation were 144 hours. Exodus 20 does not confirm this.

Exodus 20 simply confirms how the Israelites were to structure their working week. To fashion their working week on God's creative 'week'- resting on their 7th day. They knew God is eternal and stands out of the human count of time, a fact you acknowledge.

We are awaiting the conclusion of God's '7th day of rest' at the end of the 1000yr rule of the 'Lord of the Sabbath'. In the meantime, Paul instructs us to 'enter God's rest'- which clearly has not yet ended (He.4:11).
---David8318 on 6/25/11


Steven, I believe this debate can be won. I know many who came to accept what is written in Genesis, just as it is written. They were challenged to see what Scripture actually says and came to believe in a 6-24hr day creation and young earth-as Scripture says. If we cannot take this as written why is the goppel fact?

If 6 days means 6-24hr days here and something totally different on the next line (as some insist) how do we know what anything means?

I am glad that people persisted and showed me the Truth.

I blog also that those who are searching will not be lead astray by people who insist they are Christian, but for whom God is not the absolute authority.

God was there and has plainly told the Truth.
---Warwick on 6/25/11


David by the time the 7th day arrived 'day' had already been established as 24hrs.

If the lack of 'evening' and 'morning' mean the day never finished then by the same logic it never began.

Anyway we do not need to puzzle ourselves about it as God confirmed what '7th day' means in Exodus 20:9-11. Id 'The 7th day' does not mean a 24hr day then the Israelites obviously have been working without a break for a few thousand years!

BTW God is not resting but has been at work since creation. And thank God for that.
---Warwick on 6/24/11


Cluny I am happy with that, the earth will never "waver, slip, shake, or fall." That is it will never be moved from the orbit God set it upon.
---Warwick on 6/24/11


David,correct God does not define 'day' length in Exodus 20:9-11. But He does confirm the 6-days of creation, and the 7th of rest, are indeed 24hr days.

God says the Israelites were to work 6-days and rest the 7th "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day....."

To imagine the two sets of seven days are not of equal length defies what God clearly says, and grammar, and logic. It has no support anywhere in the Bible.

I agree that a thousand years are in God's sight like a day. However God is eternal, not living days of any length. And the working week and the Sabbath were created for man, not God.
---Warwick on 6/24/11




This is one of those debates that cannot be won for noone was there in the beginning to watch creation. It is written that God created everything is "six days." You are calling God's word fiction if you don't believe it. The Lord also says he placed everthing in its proper place - each atom - and each ray of light from the farthest star he placed. Man, in his finite mind calculating the speed of light, determined that the distance from the fathest star determined the age of the universe. So, when he finds a farther star he will then increase the age of the universe. God placed the light of each star to reach earth the instant he created the star.
---Steveng on 6/24/11


God at some point in the future will declare his 7th day as 'good'. There will then come to be 'evening and morning, a 7th day'- bringing the process of the 7th day to a conclusion. Then there will be a 'morning', a dawning of realisation of what God's purpose is for mankind and earth.

When that happens, God's purpose for earth will have been realised in conformity to his mandate stated at Genesis 1:28.

Fundamentalists will consume themselves in debates as to God's perceived deception and creative days and miss the reality of what God is accomplishing during His '7th day of rest'. Christians are encouraged to 'enter God's rest' (Heb.4:11) and work with God in fulfilling the divine commission- Matthew 28:19,20.
---David8318 on 6/24/11


Fundamentalists however, will continue to assert the creation of planet Earth and the Universe occurred in less than 144 hours, bringing reproach and ridicule on God's word.
---David8318 on 6/24/11

Your same assertion is true of the "Flood". There was a Flood...over the land, "erets" in Hebrew. There was never a global flood except in the beginning in Genesis.
Truth is so much easier to support,defend and share. To those who seek same it is obvious. Even logical. Always supported with witnesses by GOD's own hand.
Psalm 98:3
He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
---Trav on 6/24/11


He waited 4,000 years to send His Son,2,000 years have passed His return is not yet,but hey He was in a huge hurry to create everything in 144 hours?? Nah! Nope, no way! Not His pattern!
---1st_cliff on 6/23/11

Ha. Interesting observation. Any GOD that could create a universe...could do all in six.
The language is unsearched and just vague enough,for the funda's to make their own theory's. Truth? Does not interest funda's as much as fitting themselves into their own salvation plan. Ask them about Israel for example.
Truth...sets the seeker free. Keep seeking, researching Cliff. Some Bereans will test and see. Either way we are free. I'm free of the puff-funda's. Which is a blessing beyond the spoken word of its own.
---Trav on 6/24/11


\\ I have shown you before that the Hebrew "mote" in Psa 104:5 should be translated "waver, slip, shake, or fall" rather than "removed"\\

How do you "waver, slip, shake, or fall" (especially the latter two) without being REMOVED?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/11


Exodus 20:11 does not define the length of a 'day'. That is not the subject for discussion at Exodus 20:11. The Israelites already knew quite accurately how long a 'day' lasted.

The matter for discussion at Exodus 20:11 is how to structure a working week. If it is to be taken as fundamentalists here will have us believe that 'day' with a number before it means a 24hour period- are we to conclude when God said 'work 6 days' (20:9) the Israelites were expected to work solid for 24hours, or a 144 hour week?

This reasoning is ridiculous. The length/timing of a day is not being discussed at Ex.20:9-11. God created during 6 of His 'days'- man should work during 6 of his 'days'.
---David8318 on 6/24/11


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The truth about God's 7th day of rest is that it has not yet ended. God has not declared the end of the 7th as He does for the previous 6.

In fact, Paul taught God's 'rest' was ongoing in his day- Heb.4:1-11. It still is today. 'Resting' from creative activity, God is allowing time for the completion of His mandate for the Earth and man as stipulated at Gen.1:28. That's why Paul encouraged Christians to 'enter God's rest' (He.4:11)- work toward God's purpose for the Earth and not mundane worldly matters.

The fact that God has yet to declare his 'rest day' ending is significant. The 7th day has been some 6000yrs in man's count of time. To correspond with God's creative 'week', the previous 6 days must be of equal length- Ex.20:9,11.
---David8318 on 6/24/11


Fundamentalists here (Warwick and Jerry) mis-apply Exodus 20 to propagate the falsehood that creation occurred in six, 24hour periods. Ex.20 does not define the length of a day.

Moses who was used to write the creation account later wrote about God's creative works at Psalms 90:4,

"For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past,
And as a watch during the night."

Moses, the writer of Genesis did not believe God created everything in 144hrs. He knew God's count of time was not the same as man's count of time.

Fundamentalists however, will continue to assert the creation of planet Earth and the Universe occurred in less than 144 hours, bringing reproach and ridicule on God's word.
---David8318 on 6/24/11


\\Now you demonstrate your lack of scholarship and memory by sidestepping the question at hand with that old anti-Bible geocentrism ruse. I have shown you before that the Hebrew "mote" in Psa 104:5 should be translated "waver, slip, shake, or fall" rather than "removed", implying stability in earthquakes rather than the inertial stationarity of geocentrism.\\

In other words, you are literal about Genesis when it suits you and NOT literal about other passages when it suits you.

Who is the one who is really being slippery?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/11


Cliff, you are being dogmatic, trying desperately to defend antiBiblical beliefs.

Your 'third' meaning of 'day' is my number 2. It means 'when' or 'time,' an unbounded period of time, as in 'every dog has his day.' Not 24hrs.

God was not in a 'hurry' as hurry is related to time and God is outside of time. God inscribed on tablets of stone why He created in 6-days and rested the 7th day- so the Israelites would work 6-days and rest the 7th day! As usual even His inscribed Truth isn't good enough for you.

Outside of Genesis 'day' is used with a number 410 times and always means 24hrs. 'Evening and morning', and 'evening' or 'morning', and 'day' with 'night are used 113 times and always mean a 24hr day!
---Warwick on 6/24/11


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Cluny, you would have us believe 'foundations' in Psalm 104:5 refers to bricks and mortar. We talk about the foundations of our faith-no bricks here!

Psalm 11:3 talks of the foundations being destroyed. Does this mean bricks and mortar?

You write "Or do you believe the unBiblical theory that the earth DOES move around the sun?" Is this a trick question Cluny? Last time I looked it did.

But you are,methinks, speaking about "it cannot be moved." Can it? Our planet is locked into an orbit around the sun, from which it cannot be moved. God knew that long before we did-no hint of geocentrism.
---Warwick on 6/24/11


So if someone says to his children 'we will be spending 1 day at the beach', does this mean they will be spending a whole 24hours on the beach?

At Exodus 20, God is not defining the length of a 'day'. The Israelites already knew how long a day was. God certainly does not define a length of HIS day, God said- 'you must do all YOUR work in six days'.

God has a time frame and man has a time frame. They are not the same. 6 days for God are not the same length as 6 days for man.

'I am God and not man'- Hosea 11:9.

'For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts'. Is.55:9

Moses did not believe a creative 'day' was 24hours long- Ps.90:4.
---David8318 on 6/24/11


"Joseph, I do not agree with your interpretation.. " I understand and it is o.k. I was not attempting to convince you of anything.:o) I have never studied the Gap theory, however I am curious as to why you, or that theory if you are referring to it, believe that a lapse of time between verse 1 & 2 of Gen. 1 "puts death and disease before sin"? Personally I do believe that Satan sinned before this current earth age came into existence.
---joseph on 6/24/11


Cluny: You have demonstrated your lack of integrity by refusing to admit that you believe that God was either misinformed, kidding, or lying when He wrote "SIX DAYS".

Now you demonstrate your lack of scholarship and memory by sidestepping the question at hand with that old anti-Bible geocentrism ruse. I have shown you before that the Hebrew "mote" in Psa 104:5 should be translated "waver, slip, shake, or fall" rather than "removed", implying stability in earthquakes rather than the inertial stationarity of geocentrism.

Please stop being so slippery and stick to the issue at hand.
---jerry6593 on 6/24/11


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jerry, if you take the days of Genesis 1 as literal earthly 24 hour days, why do you not take this verse literally and believe in geocentrism?

Psalm 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Or do you believe the unBiblical theory that the earth DOES move around the sun?

Come on. You can't be literal in Genesis and reject the Psalter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11


Warwick, There's a 3rd meaning of yom= period of time-the DAY God created heaven and earth.
Your statement *always 24hrs when used with a number* is "rule-of-thumb" not proof of anything.
You're being dogmatic about written language of which there was none pre flood! (actual fact)
All you have to do is look up at the sky, billions of stars many mega times larger than earth, and say "they were all created in ONE day",
Then, is it any wonder there are atheists with this type of nonsense? One logical
question..what was the hurry????
---1st_cliff on 6/23/11


Joseph, I do not agree with your interpretation as there is no gap in Genesis, nor any mention of chaos. Neither is the Gap Theory mentioned anywhere in Scripture, Scripture interprets Scripture.

We could argue forever but the two main points are:

The Gap Theory was invented to explain how the imagined billions of years fit into Scripture. This places the fossil record, showing death and disease of man before sin. But Scripture says this was the consequence of Adam's sin.

Adam's sin brought disaster upon the whole universe, not just man. Remember it was man's sin which brought the flood upon the eath. Such flood which killed billions of animals, as thre fossil record shows.
---Warwick on 6/23/11


Scott if someone here claimed Jesus did not rise from the dead physically would you accept this, or contradict them? If yes, why?
---Warwick on 6/23/11


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Cliff, we have covered this before but let me explain once more: The word 'day' has 3 meanings.

1) The daylight part of a 24hr period. I spent the 'day' at the beach.

2) Meaning 'when.' In my father's day i.e.,'when' He was alive.

3) Always 24hrs when used with a number see Exodus 20:9 and 11. Real everyday 24hr days, just as we use '6 days' today.

There is no problen with Genesis, only in the minds of those who reinterpret it via man-made nonBiblical philosophies, as you do.

You write "One would have to be deaf,dumb,blind and stupid to believe that God created the universe,flora,fauna and mankind in 6 literal 24hr.days!" You condemn youself as a man who has little faith in the word of God.
---Warwick on 6/23/11


The problem with the Genesis account is the use of the word "day" (yom) daylight, 24hr., period of time, era!
The "day"(singular) that God created heaven and earth,
No opening and closing day 7!
The "Model" God gave the Israelites of working 6 and resting one.
One would have to be deaf,dumb,blind and stupid to believe that God created the universe,flora,fauna and mankind in 6 literal 24hr.days!Really!
He waited 4,000 years to send His Son,2,000 years have passed His return is not yet,but hey He was in a huge hurry to create everything in 144 hours?? Nah! Nope, no way! Not His pattern!
---1st_cliff on 6/23/11


I know, without any doubt that God is not your authority, but man!
---Warwick on 6/23/11

Anger appears to be your authority. Your doctrine is not convincing by your personality or witnesses, then you condemn?
Scripture was not written specifically to you,for you or by you . It was written too for and by the people it addresses from Genesis to Revelations. Israel. "Ruling with EL"
Fact that you cannot see certain things...does not make everyone else wrong. We search for more truth than you have or ever can offer. "Your gospel" foundation has too much sand in some theory's. Pointing holes out to you angers,frustrates and displays your preacher control issues. Plantation overseers attitude.
---Trav on 6/23/11


Warwick The NIV version is the only version that reads that way, the rest either read "did not create it empty", "a waste" "a chaos" or "in vain", and again the word used there is "tohuw" which is defined "without form" "formless" "chaotic" "a wasteland" "empty space" etc. The way I understand it the death that came with sin, was the death of man, as the penalty of his disobedience. As it is written " thou [man] shalt surely die" and "and so death passed upon all 'men'." However, I am not saying you are incorrect in your understanding, simply that I understand it differently, and my understanding could very well be faulty.
---joseph on 6/23/11


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Lets be civil about this discussion. If someone disagrees with you about how old the earth is. Do NOT insult someone's salvation or whose authority he is speaking from. If it is about the role of Jesus ok, but not about a trivial questions about the earth. Watch Star Trek Enterprise "Chosen Realm" episode. A little extreme but their world is destroyed due to two groups arguing over 5 days of creation or 6 days of creation.
---Scott on 6/23/11


John, you hold a nonBiblical view which you cannot defend from Scripture. I am not suiting myself, you are. I am accepting what God's word says. You aren't.

Then you write "suit yourself."

What a cop out!

I know, without any doubt that God is not your authority, but man!
---Warwick on 6/23/11


Joseph in the beginning God made the heavens and the earth, and the earth was covered in water-the deep.

God says He created the earth formless, and empty. It was formless, covered in water and its form was not created until verse 9 when God said-let dry ground appear.

The first day is that between-In the beginning and-there was evening, and there was morning,the first day.

Isaiah 45:18 says "he did not create it to be empty,
but formed it to be inhabited" This fits with what is written in verse 3 on.

You cannot avoid the point that the Gap Theory puts death and disease before sin which is the opposite of what the NT and OT says. This undermines the truth of the gospel.
---Warwick on 6/23/11


Cluny: "What has yet to be determined is if you're rational, jerry."

Oh, now that's a rational, intellectual response. Once again, when you're backed into a corner, you respond with childish name-calling.

Answer the question...Was God wrong when He stated that all creation took SIX DAYS? If so, then there can be only one of three "rational" possibilities: (1) He was misinformed, (2) He was just kidding, or (3) He was either lying or intentionally misleading. Which one do you choose to believe?

I wonder what the Orthodox Church Fathers would have said about your secular humanist beliefs.
---jerry6593 on 6/23/11


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A theist: Eleventh request:

Name one thing about Evolution that you personally know to be true.
---jerry6593 on 6/23/11


If Gen. 1 indeed documented the creation of The Earth rather than the restoration or renewal of heaven and earth, the first verse would read something like this. "In the beginning God created a surging mass of water from which The Heaven and the Earth would be brought forth. Which would give clarity to verse 2 as well as verses 6-8 which He called heaven and verses 9 & 10 which He called earth.
---joseph on 6/23/11


The earth is not billions of years old as proven liars profess, but according to God's Holy Word of Truth the earth is very young, being no older than 122 centuries. The wise and intelligent accept the recorded truth of the Holy Scripture, and the foolish and unlearned reject the truth in the Holy Bible and accept the lie and delusions in the world.
---Eloy on 6/23/11


Warwick where do you think the "deep" in Gen 1:2 came from?
There is no mention of the creation of water. If Gen.1:2 forward was a detailed account on the creation mentioned in verse 1 it would seem logical for the creation of water to be mention. Isa. 45:18 clearly states that the Father did 'not' create the earth "in vain" "Tohuw" which is the same word translated as "without form" in Gen 1:2.
You will get no argument from me concerning the length of days, However you will see no day attached to verse one. Concerning His creations in the terrestrial sphere, which ended on the sixth day, it is written "You send forth Your Spirit, they are created, And You renew the face of the earth."
---joseph on 6/22/11


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Warwick, suit yourself. God bless you.
---John.usa on 6/22/11


No matter how people have reinterpreted Genesis, and why, does not change what is written.

No Scripture contradicts 6-day creation and a c6,000 year old earth.

Relevantly Jesus and the apostles quoted from/alluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis, 107 times, always as literal truth.

The only Gospel is literally based upon a literal creation where Adam literally sinned bringing literal death and disease (the curse) upon humanity. For this reason Jesus literally came and literally died and literally rose again to overturn this curse.

If it is just some fluffy spiritual story then as Paul wrote (1 Corinthians 15:17) "if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile, you are still in
your sins."
---Warwick on 6/22/11


Warwick, I beg to differ. Throughout history believers have had various takes on the Genesis story, some like you, taking it as literal history (a comparatively modern view), and others reading it allegorically. So please don't insist that everyone see it your way, lest you close the door to discussion of more vital topics. God bless.
---John.usa on 6/22/11


John, there are indeed a number of views on the age of the earth but only one of them is Biblical.

Nowhere in the whole of Scripture is any other 'view' given other than the straight-forward reading of Genesis 1.

These other views do not come from Scripture but are imposed upon Scripture by people who prefer the opinions of falible, sinful man, who was not there, to the Truth of a perfect God who cannot lie, and was there.

Simple- who is your authority? God or man?

If you believe I am incorrect show me where, and by Scripture.
---Warwick on 6/22/11


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\\If He didn't mean it as you profess, then He is an intentional deciever, since any rational being would interpret "six days" as "six days" - not 13 Billion years.
---jerry6593 on 6/22/11
\\

What has yet to be determined is if you're rational, jerry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/11


From Adam to Jesus the genealogies give us a time line.
---Warwick on 6/20/11

You are correct in timeline Geneology....it is Adams. Genesis 5 states it is Adams book.
All men did not necessarily come from Adam.
Then the Flood. All men did not come Noah. Nor was Global Earth covered with water. Again it is ADAM's Line Through Noah.
The entire book is written to for and by Adams line through Noah, through Israel.
Is it instructive for all...most certainly....exception being fearless preachers who claim authority by GOD but, cannot supply witnesses for it. Similar to the false prophets noted in scripture.
Gen 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam....
---Trav on 6/22/11


Warwick, there are a number of biblical views on the age of the earth. You hold one of them. But not all Christians hold yours. As I already said, what one believes about the age of the earth does not affect one's salvation at all, so it seems absurd to argue about it. I am glad your belief makes sense to you. That's what's most important.
---John.usa on 6/22/11


Mark, sometimes you lose objectivity. Where has Jerry said we can be saved by the law?

His reference to Exodus 20:11 concerns the age of the earth, not the Saturday Sabbath.

I do not observe a Saturday Sabbath but cannot see where we have been told we can reject the ten commandments. Certainly we are not saved by them, as no one ever was, but can we live a life of adultery, for example, and still claim to be saved?
---Warwick on 6/22/11


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Cluny: "But I'm not claiming anything is a lie."

Jesus wrote: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is (Exo 20:11)."

Do you believe that His words are true or that He did NOT REALLY mean "six days" when He said "six days", so that your theistic evolution conjecture would have time to work? If He didn't mean it as you profess, then He is an intentional deciever, since any rational being would interpret "six days" as "six days" - not 13 Billion years.
---jerry6593 on 6/22/11


John your answer is evasive. I believe you reply evasively as you hold a nonBiblical view of the age of the earth.

The age of the earth is vital in the Biblical narrative of the gospel. All the nonBiblical long-ages views place death before sin, destroying the foundation of the gospel. If death was in the world before Adam sinned then the preaching about the gospel in the NT is wrong.

And this is not important to you?

Jesus said the world is not billions of years old, and this is not important to you?
---Warwick on 6/21/11


Joseph, in Genesis 1:3-5 God defines day-length. He says he created in 6 of these days, repeating this in Exodus 20:8-11 and elsewhere.

There is no sign of a gap and He could not have created in 6 days if there was. There is absolutely no reason for a gap and no Biblical evidence for any restoration in Genesis 1:2.

Further the only Biblical foundation of the only gospel is that death entered the world because of Adam's sin. The Gap Theory places the fossil record of death and disease (man and animal) before Adam's sin. It is therefore opposite to what Scripture says, contradicting what the NT says about the gospel.

It also contradicts Jesus (Mark 10:6) who says man was made at the beginning of creation, not eons later.
---Warwick on 6/21/11


\\Cluny: Don't you see the contradiction in writing "Glory to Jesus Christ" while claiming that the words He wrote with His own finger (Exo 20:11) are a lie?
---jerry6593 on 6/21/11\\

But I'm not claiming anything is a lie.

Why are you slandering me?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/11


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Cluny, you are correct. He has made up his mind and has an intention why he posted the question. It's again just another smoke screen to introduce later the Ten Commandments and from there to present "Saturday" Sabbath. How wrong everyone is and how great he is. Nothing new since I begin here on the website. More SDA doctrine. I thank my Lord Jesus Christ for saving me, because the law could not.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/11


Warwick, if the age of the earth is important to you, then by all means defend your position. You don't need, however, to defend it to me. It's not an important issue to me.
---John.usa on 6/21/11


He did not. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Gen. 1:2 forward is an account of the restoration of the earth for man, not the Creation
"asah" Made and "bara" Created are to different words in both the english and Hebrew languages, with two different meanings.
Made implies "to bring into existence by shaping or changing existing materials, or combining parts."
Create implies "to cause to come into existence" as in to bring something tangible out of nothing tangible.
"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Heb 11:3
---joseph on 6/21/11


I am not claiming that the earth is four billion years or six thousand years old. The fact is, the Bible does specify the age of the earth.

A few men have decided that by using the idea of the number of generations, that they could determine the age of the earth.

It seems to me that any question regarding the age of the earth is usually designed to generate more heat than than light. And this is probably a clue as to how much time any individual should spend debating this issue.
---Allan on 6/21/11


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Cluny: Don't you see the contradiction in writing "Glory to Jesus Christ" while claiming that the words He wrote with His own finger (Exo 20:11) are a lie?
---jerry6593 on 6/21/11


\\Of course it is provocative but what is wrong with that?.\\

It's one thing to be proactive.

It's another to have your mind already made up.

jerry is showing the latter, not the former.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/21/11


John if the age of the earth is irrelevant, as you say, do you accept its age is to be measured in thousands oy years (as Scripture says) not billions, or not?

I usually find that those who say it doesn't matter will fight long and hard to contradict what Scripture says. What about you John?
---Warwick on 6/20/11


Jerry's question is a good and relevant one. Of course it is provocative but what is wrong with that?.

Those who trust the word of God have nothing to fear by this question. Those who don't do, as it shines light upon the darknress of their nonBiblical beliefs.
Seq, the opportunity to defend the truth of God's word is a great privilige, and one not to be missed

There are those whose purpose is to undermine the truth of God's word, and destroy faith. Paul spoke of them-Acts 20:29-31 "I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard...."
---Warwick on 6/20/11


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It is completely irrelevant to the day-to-day life of the Christian, or of anyone for that matter, how old the earth is.
---John.usa on 6/20/11


I don't find the gap theory satisfactory, but I don't think it matters either way.

It certainly has no bearing on the Incarnation.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/20/11


It's pointless to try to discuss this question as jerry has framed it, as he already has his mind made up.)
---Cluny on 6/20/11

True!

I've learned that on issues like this one, just repeat what the Bible says -- ONCE --and leave it at that.

The Bible says to avoid these useless arguments.

Proverbs 26:4-14
---Sag on 6/20/11


Two words:

Gap Theory.

Look it up.
---Bruce5656 on 6/20/11


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very well said ---Leslie on 6/20/11
---francis on 6/20/11


He didn't try to deceive us. He doesn't exist. The deception is in your mind.
---atheist on 6/20/11


\\ Scientists have recently discovered that they were WRONG on this, and that the Biblical creation account of the Earth is more accuate. I just heard this rencently on the CBN News.\\

Consider the source.

WHICH scientists, Leslie. Did they, or can you, give any of their names?

(It's pointless to try to discuss this question as jerry has framed it, as he already has his mind made up.)

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/20/11


God being eternal by definition exists outside of time. Therefore when God mentions hours, days, weeks, and years He uses the time-frame He created for man-defined in Genesis 1:3-5. The length of a day being one earth rotation.

Exactly as we measure days, today!

God confirms His days of creation are earth-rotation human days in Exodus 20:8-11.

Jesus our Creator and Redeemer who always speaks absolute truth says man was made at the beginning of creation-Mark 10:6.

From Adam to Jesus the genealogies give us a time line. Then add the time from Jesus to now and you get c6,000 years.

The billions of years view is based upon assumptions, and upon radiometric dating which itself is based upon untestable assumptions.
---Warwick on 6/20/11


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Scott, Blogger has made his 6 creation stories claim before. However when challenged he could not give Scriptural evidence for them. Despite being shown he is wrong he continues to make false claims. Isn't this deceit?

Jesus, there at the beginning of Creation, is in a unique position to know what the truth of creation is. He says Genesis ch. 1 is the true, and only creation account. He should know.
---Warwick on 6/20/11


The Earth is NOT billions of years old. Scientists have recently discovered that they were WRONG on this, and that the Biblical creation account of the Earth is more accuate. I just heard this rencently on the CBN News.
---Leslie on 6/20/11


If the earth is billions of years old (as some claim), why did God try to deceive us by claiming that it was created in only six evening-morning days (Exodus 20:11

Exactly!!

People are deveiving themselves. It is not od who is trying to deceive us. The earth is creasted in 6 days and nights just as God said not 6 times periods. IF it were so God would have said so. God has nothing to hide, and God dwells in truth.
---francis on 6/20/11


The creation story and the Bible in general is about how powerful God is and his love for us. Not how He made the hydrogen atoms combine and make other elements or how animals developed but the fact that He is in control of it. Blogger what are the 6 creation stories and where are they.
---Scott on 6/20/11


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Opps,Sorry I made a mistake,heres the right of it. 2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing dear friends:With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day.
---Darlene_1 on 6/20/11


God did not try to deceive you, some people just took a Jewish tribal story and have tried to apply means to it was never intended to have. There at least 6 different creation accounts in scripture and they are all different the only thing in common is that God started the process. None of them are factual history. They are for the most port old tribal stories of primitive cultures trying to explain their beginnings and present precepts to the young originally as oral stories and eventually recorded as written accounts. The Bible is not inerrant as God did not write it, it is a product of man with limited divine inspiration.
---Blogger9211 on 6/20/11


The real question, jerry, is why are you trying to call God a deceiver?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/20/11


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