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If the Bible says we will know who belongs to God by their FRUIT (Matt. 7:15-23), should this not say that most of the people that blog on ChristiaNet are NOT Christians (followers of Christ) because most if not all of their responses do NOT line up with the Bible (Jesus made flesh)? What say you?

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Does a christian ger angry at someone for keeping these commandments?
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.

But look at what some are posting against those who do.

insulting the Spirit of grace miserable souls, cant find peace with God. ---Jasheradan on 6/22/11
You have slapped God and Spat right in His face ---James_L on 6/22/11
not attempting to follow the law is a sign that you have accepted what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for you.
---mima on 6/22/11
---francis on 6/23/11


No, Francis, a hypocrite is one who comes here acting as though they are sinless because they go to church on a certain day.
---Jasheradan on 6/23/11
Please post where I have said that I am sinless because I go to church on a certian day.
---francis on 6/23/11


Here are some of your post. Law = no mercy
---Jasheradan on 6/21/11
If youre trying to gain righteousness by following the law perfectly then youre insulting the Spirit of grace
---Jasheradan on 6/22/11
"Sinless" people are miserable souls because they cant find peace with God. ---Jasheradan on 6/22/11
You remind me of a pharisee with stone in hand about to stone the harlot. Sometimes I wonder if Jesus' own words would cause you to drop your rock or if you would speak evil against him as well claiming He is a blashemer.

---Jasheradan on 6/23/11

keep in mind that you kep 9/10 of the law. yet look at your accusation against those who keep 10/10
What would you call it if not hypocracy
---Francis on 6/23/11


Many good post by---Jasheradan on this blog.
---mima on 6/23/11


Donna66 and alan8566 of uk - 1st Donna66 - I am NOT saying that if you sin as a Christian that you are not saved, but I am saying that if you are a Christian and do not obey God and His Word (law) that you are NOT a Christian. 2nd alan8566 of uk - I NEVER said that Jesus was not God. Yes He is the Son of God who is also God (2nd part of the Godhead). Please read my statements and the scripture I give before you put words in my mouth and in God's mouth.
---Leslie on 6/23/11




No, Francis, a hypocrite is one who comes here acting as though they are sinless because they go to church on a certain day. If youre gonna post Gods laws why not post them all? It's easy to post one that you think you have nailed. Shall we find one that you break on a daily basis?

You remind me of a pharisee with stone in hand about to stone the harlot. Sometimes I wonder if Jesus' own words would cause you to drop your rock or if you would speak evil against him as well claiming He is a blashemer.

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
---Jasheradan on 6/23/11


Some of us are humble enough to admit we fail Him every single day. Others think they have the law perfected are are now sinless.

But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


Walking in darkness...
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Walking in the light...
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
---Jasheradan on 6/23/11


are a Seventh Day Adventist?
---aka on 6/22/11
I am a seventh day adventists. And seventh dya adventist do tach that Michael the Arch angel is the same person as Jesus. We also teach that jesus is the messiah/ Christ

Michael means who is God
Angel means Messenger of God
ARCH mean cheif, first or greatest.
Surely most christians do believe that THE ANGEL OF GOD/ THE LORD is the same Jesus

So if we put the name together you have Jesus who si god who is the greatest messenger sent from god. AMEN

So we are EV-ANGEL-ISTS
messengers of good news
---francis on 6/23/11


aka ... Can you recall who said it? Was it Francis or Leslie?

I do remember some of the exchange ... and this the claim was also made that Jesus was/is not God, but merely God's son
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/23/11


There are both Christians and NonChristians that post on this website.
---Eloy on 6/23/11




thank you for being reasonable in your previous post.

since i cannot produce the blog (i did try), I paraphrased and deciphered from memory. however, since i cannot quote exactly what you did say, i am in error. please forgive me. (please be fair...it is a bit difficult to understand what was said. there are always different religions going on at one time. it is confusing.)

however, am i remiss in saying that you are a Seventh Day Adventist?
---aka on 6/22/11


You give me credit for GODS WORK. The list you speak of, GOD wrote it see:
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

The fact that anyone who trangresses any of the list is sin, is NOT my idea it is Gods idea see:

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
PLUS I am sure that you keep 9/10 of the commandments in the law, which means that you stand guilty of all. Again NOT MY IDEA
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Can you comment on Matthew 5:19
---Francis on 6/22/11


a few months ago, the only other Christian on here besides you, Leslie, said that Jesus is really a manifestation of Michael the Archangel and Jesus is not the true Christ according to scripture.
---aka on 6/22/11

I must ask you to produce that post. I have NEVER seen anyone place a post such as that.
AKA I do hope that you are not falling into a trap of false accusation.
I would rather like to think that you were mistaken. It is posible that the post said that Jesus and Michael The Arch angel are one and the same, and you read into it that this meant that Jesus was not the messiah / christ? We do all make mistakes.
Is that posible?
But please produce that post
---francis on 6/22/11


francis, you can't quote the Ten Commandments without using a word that relates to sin. This is the sin part of the law of sin and death. That is not what God has put in our hearts.
Those with the in-dwelling Spirit serve God in love. When guided by the Spirit and not by the flesh, why would we need a list of do's and don'ts? Why do people feel the need to push the passive law when the Spirit directs us to so much greater, a call to action. I implore you to take the next step and be directed by the Spirit and discontinue pushing the letter of the law, for mercy rejoices against judgment.
---micha9344 on 6/22/11


For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him..---micha9344 on 6/22/11
micha9344, this means that they were preaching OUT OF THE BOOKS OF MOSES, not preaching about moses.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at MOSES and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things CONCERNING HIMSELF.

Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging, to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them CONCERNING JESUS, both out of the LAW OF MOSES, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

The thing that you are trying to reject, THE OT TEACHING, is the very thing which Jesus and paul used to convince people that Jesus is the messiah
---francis on 6/22/11


---Donna66 on 6/22/11

No Donna, but some people are LIVING IN unrepented unconfessed sin
EXAMPLE: Those who do not keep the sabbath which is the 4th commandment is the law are guilty of trangressing THE WHOLE LAW, beause they offend in ONE point, and they are UNREPENTANT about it.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Those who eat swine are guilty of breaking the law and are UNREPENTANT about it.

But then there are some who have broken just about every law and are repentent and have confessed to God those are the christians. The rest are just saying LORD, LORD

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
---francis on 6/22/11


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leslie-- Are you saying that any believer who commits a sin is not a Christian after all?
That DOES make it easy to say who is a Christian and who isn't...nobody is a Christian by that standard.

I actually believe it is not up to US to determine who the hypocrites are. God has that knowledge. And the Holy Spirit has the responsibility to tell those who are.

We should be sharing the Gospel with those who may not understand it. If they agree with what God's Word says about sin and salvation, then we should count them as brothers and sisters in the Lord.
Otherwise, we have given then a truth of eternal importance and they must choose what to do with it.
---Donna66 on 6/22/11


//Jesus is the ONLY way to Salvation (Jn 14:6)// Leslie

a few months ago, the only other Christian on here besides you, Leslie, said that Jesus is really a manifestation of Michael the Archangel and Jesus is not the true Christ according to scripture.
---aka on 6/22/11


Mima - I did NOT contadict myself. Jesus is the ONLY way to Salvation (Jn 14:6). After salvation we are COMMANDED by Jesus to OBEY God and His Commands (law) - this is a SIGN that you are saved. Jesus says if you call yourself His and do NOT OBEY God's Commands (law), you really do NOT belong to Him and are NOT His disciple (follower) (Matt. 5:17-19, Jn 8:31-32, Jn 14:15, 21, 23, 24, Jn 15:10, Heb. 5:9, James 1:22-25, 1 Jn 2:3-6, 1 Jn 5:3). This is NOT my own righteousness, but how God says it is to be done. Don't blame me if I give you several scriptures, but you just want it your way, and to tell God you know better than Him (setting up your own righteousness as your own god).
---Leslie on 6/22/11


Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
1Cor 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness,
-Some preach the letter of sin and death, others preach the Spirit of truth and life.
---micha9344 on 6/22/11


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Mima - I did NOT contadict myself. Jesus is the ONLY way to Salvation (Jn 14:6). After salvation we are COMMANDED by Jesus to OBEY God and His Commands (law) - this is a SIGN that you are saved. Jesus says if you call yourself His and do NOT OBEY God's Commands (law), you really do NOT belong to Him and are NOT His disciple (follower) (Matt. 5:17-19, Jn 8:31-32, Jn 14:15, 21, 23, 24, Jn 15:10, Heb. 5:9, James 1:22-25, 1 Jn 2:3-6, 1 Jn 5:3). This is NOT my own righteousness, but how God says it is to be done. Don't blame me if I give you several scriptures, but you just want it your way, and to tell God you know better than Him (setting up your own righteousness as your own god).
---Leslie on 6/22/11


---mima on 6/22/11
First statement 100% true
Second statement 100% false

Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them, for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life.

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
---francis on 6/22/11


There is nowhere in Hebrews 11 indicating anyone became an heir of righteousness by keeping the law. The LAW is not of faith. And the JUST shall live by FAITH. We also see Rahab (LIED) ( breaking one of the 10 commandments) and is a heir of righteousness. Abraham was asked to sacrifice Isaac( MURDER) again breaking one of the 10 commandments.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/11


\\Either you are hypocrites or deceived. So let's see which it is:
You keep these commandments
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS\\
---francis on 6/22/11


Francis and Leslie,
we are not to "keep" ANY of the Ten Commandments, as is written "The Just Shall Live By Faith"

Jesus said of all the commandments, "Love God with all your heart, mind soul" and "Love Your Neighbor As Yourself"

and on these two hang ALL the Law.

You have taken the Name of the Lord in vain, calling yourself by His Name, but seeking to establish your own righteousness,

You have slapped God and Spat right in His face by rejecting the rigtheousness of Christ, which is found by faith
---James_L on 6/22/11


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--Jasheradan on 6/22/11
MOST IGNORANT STATEMENT
You keep all these laws:
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

And are you not happy? When you break one of them do you not confess? Why do you assume that those who keep all the laws do not confess when they break one? Maybe you are a hypocrite because the ones you do not keep, you claim itis not a sin to break it.
---francis on 6/22/11


"Sinless" people are miserable souls because they cant find peace with God. They wont confess their sins daily.

The only way to escape that guilty conscience is to find others to condemn so the guilty and weight of our own sin isnt quite so bad.

Romans 2

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself, for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

That is not the way to peace.
---Jasheradan on 6/22/11


Francis ""Behold, the Lamb of God, which taketh away
the sin of the world"
John 1:29
is the above statement true Francis or is it not?

If we fail to keep the commandments we will lose many rewards but we cannot lose what was freely given to us which is our salvation.
---mima on 6/22/11


--So when you get to know God, then you will start to obey his commandments-- Francis

And THIS is exactly how judgemental "mature" Christians become stumblingblocks for new believers. You dont keep in mind that new believers are still babies. They need time to grow. They dont need 20 year Christians condemning them. They need brothers and sisters that encourage them and show the same mercy and love we were shown as we grew. Youre becoming a stumblingblock rather than a helper. It's time for you to give it a rest, sister.

If you are unhappy then confess your sins to God and find peace. Dont come here looking for people to beat on thinkin it will bring your peace back. It wont. Itll just make it worse.
---CraigA on 6/22/11


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asheradan - Yes your "Jesus" is not like this, because he does NOT exist, but is a figment of your imagination. You are therefore in IDOLATRY - making a god in your own image to suit yourself. Most of the bloggers on here have done it - by saying "To me God is like...." or "I believe God is...." (example: God is loving and forgiving and would never send anyone to Hell) - this God does NOT exist.
---Leslie on 6/22/11

Leslie, you are doing the same thing by saying TO ME God is Like the 10 Commandments.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/11


Here is the problem. Some are bold enough to think that some of what they do is not sin. They only keep 9/10 commandments, eat as they please. When they trangress the laws of God, and claim that the NT does not command it, or that the NT commands differently. They are living in sin, and rather than confess their sin. NOTHING NEW
Jeremiah 7:8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not, And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?
---francis on 6/22/11


//I obey 10/10 of the ten commandments.// Congradulations
Wow I have broken all 10 Laws.
1. worship other gods. - Money
2. worship idols. - sports teams, video games, car, TV,
3. misuse God's name. Thinking "God is an evil person"
4. Not Keep the Sabbath holy. Not having a day of rest
5. Not Honor your father & mother. Lying, disobey them
6. murder. anger at a person
7. commit adultery. Lust
8. steal. take things that are not yours
9. lie. Lying
10. covet. Jealousy
This is why I have Jesus because I have broken all of these 10, not to mention the other 600 or so, commands and I bet all of us have broken all of the 10 commandments too.
---Scott on 6/22/11


Some of us are humble enough to admit we fail Him every single day. Others think they have the law perfected are are now sinless.

But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


Walking in darkness...
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Walking in the light...
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
---Jasheradan on 6/22/11


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The old law says, Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk (Ex.23:19). So, no more beef stroganoff!
---John.usa on 6/22/11


Following the law is a sign that you are attempting to establish your own righteous.(2) not attempting to follow the law is a sign that you have accepted what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for you.--- mima
NONESENSE:
This means as a christians we should:
1. worship other gods.
2. worship idols.
3. misuse God's name.
4. Not Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Not Honor your father & mother.
6. murder.
7. commit adultery.
8. steal.
9. lie.
10. covet.
and claim righteousness by faith.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
---francis on 6/22/11


---Jasheradan on 6/22/11
---mima on 6/22/11
Either you are hypocrites or deceived. So let's see which it is:
You keep these commandments
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
And you are not under the law, yet if someone keeps all ten they are under the law?
When you it, it is LOVE, when someone else does it, it is for righteousness?
So which are you deceived, or hypocrites? because ou cannot be christians with that view
---francis on 6/22/11


Has anyone but me noticed that Leslie never answers specific questions about specific Biblical laws and their application to Christians?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/11


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Leslie you wrote, both statements are misleading."(1)following the law is a sign that you belong to Jesus.(2) Not following the law as a "Christian" is a sign that your are NOT saved and do NOT belong to God."(1)
Following the law is a sign that you are attempting to establish your own righteous.(2) not attempting to follow the law(for only Jesus Christ truly followed the law ) is a sign that you have accepted what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for you. He and he alone has fulfilled the law, that is he kept it and then put away at the cross of Cauvery.
---mima on 6/22/11


Jasheradan - Yes your "Jesus" is not like this, because he does NOT exist, but is a figment of your imagination. You are therefore in IDOLATRY - making a god in your own image to suit yourself. Most of the bloggers on here have done it - by saying "To me God is like...." or "I believe God is...." (example: God is loving and forgiving and would never send anyone to Hell) - this God does NOT exist.
---Leslie on 6/22/11


Righteousness does NOT come by the law, but by Jesus Christ ONLY. However, following the law is a sign that you belong to Jesus. Not following the law as a "Christian" is a sign that your are NOT saved and do NOT belong to God.
---Leslie on 6/22/11


Francis here is a description of your condition." If youre trying to gain righteousness by following the law perfectly then youre insulting the Spirit of grace and counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing. Youre not obeying the truth just as the Jews as Jesus' day. They made their boast of the law as well, but in their hearts they did not know God."
---Jasheradan on 6/22/11

---mima on 6/22/11


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Kathr,
about your post, all I have to say is

AMEN !!!
---James_L on 6/22/11


You will know them by their fruits, in this passage it is talking about the Pharisees and Sudducees. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for using human tradition to nullify Scripture (15:2-9). Sadducees were known for their denial of things supernatural. They denied the resurrection of the dead (22:23) and the existence of angels (Acts 23:8), unlike the Pharisees, they rejected human tradition and scorned legalism. Sudducees were liberals, Pharisees were separatists, Sudducees were compromisers and political opportunists, Yet united together in their opposition to Christ ( 22:15, 16, 23, 34, 35).
---Mark_V. on 6/22/11


//and Leslie is 100% correct. MANY here are not christians. They teach lawlessness
---Francis on 6/21/11
//

I havent seen a single person here teach lawlessness...

What we're teaching is that ONLY when a person has faith in Jesus Christ and what he has done for us will the Spirit then come into your heart and enable you to be conformed to the image of Christ. If youre trying to gain righteousness by following the law perfectly then youre insulting the Spirit of grace and counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing. Youre not obeying the truth just as the Jews as Jesus' day. They made their boast of the law as well, but in their hearts they did not know God.
---Jasheradan on 6/22/11


---kathr4453 on 6/21/11
Well you are dead wrong.ALL SCRIPTURE says that those who accept christ also keep his laws.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND the faith of Jesus.

So when you get to know God, then you will start to obey his commandments
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
---francis on 6/22/11


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Galatians 2:21

If righteousness comes by keeping the law then Christ died in vain.


It doesn't get any louder or clearer than that.

The life that I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Only begotten Son who loved me and gave himself for me.

One thing for sure Francis and Leslie, you openly confess Christ's death was not necessary for you.

So in truth you really are NOT a follower of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/11


These people would have condemned Peter as well.

Peter "denied" Christ three times.... which means Christ denied him right? Nope. He forgave and restored him.

Living by the letter of the law only leads to condemnation because the law offers no mercy!

Jesus was perfect so that in our endeavor to be more like him thru the Spirit, when we stumble and fall we still have His righteousness. He picks us back up again when we fall.

I'm truly glad that Jesus Christ isn't like Leslie or Francis. Every Christian person in the world would be headed back to hell again.


Law = no mercy
grace thru Jesus Christ = many offenses unto justification
---Jasheradan on 6/21/11


Leslie,
food for thought.

Considering that Matthew 7:15-23 Does Not say that we will know who belongs to God by their fruit,

it ACTUALLY says that we will know FALSE TEACHERS by their fruit,

that means that you do not understand the scriptures, and therefore must be a false teacher.

Now, I'm only judging you by the criteria that you have set forth.

So, don't you think you ought to understand the bible before you accuse others of not "lining up" with it?

Line it up, Leslie. You are obviously on a twisty, swervy, broad road through the wide gate to destruction.

But there is time. Christ is still waiting for you to trust Him
---James_L on 6/21/11


It seems to me that the names "Jesus" and "Christ" have been used in a variety of ways in this discussion. Perhaps, it would now be appropriate for us to look at the life of Jesus Christ and see how well our words and our action match His words and His action.
---Allan on 6/21/11


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leslie-- Your judgement doesn't concern me .
But it seems that what what YOU say does not line up with the Bible!

Rom 3:27-28
...Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Tts 3:5-6 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour,

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace


Is a person who is saved,justified and renewed by faith in Jesus Christ, not a Christian?
---Donna66 on 6/21/11


Which mere mortal is worthy to post such a blog?
---kevin5443 on 6/21/11


Worldly christians. That's what most of you are. Bickering to find who is right in their own minds. Are we to judge or not? Are we to judge righteously? What is judging righteously?

The ultimate commandment is to love (as in the verb form). Love is the commandment that encompasses ALL of the laws and commandments in scripture. So how do we apply this love, physically and spiritally? Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "comfort," and "encourag" to learn how to live a christian lifestyle every day, 24/7. Do this daily so one will not have a chance to wonder off the path toward the Kindom of God. And fellowship with one another (face-to-face) for the time is at hand.
---Steveng on 6/21/11


//I have PROVEN my point with 100% accuacy [accuracy], that ONLY Francis that[who] responeded [responded] is the TRUE Christian, ALL others that have responed [responded] thus far are FAKES.//

In school, we did not say the ones who received lower grades were fakes. they were just not educated well.

and since our education lacks, please tell us who the Christ is?
---aka on 6/21/11


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---kathr4453 on 6/21/11
1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

So as christians we are to do what God commands. God does not stop us from doing what is wrong, the holy ghost does remind us that it is wrong, then we must choose. That is why we as christians say we die daily, because we make the choice to sourrendeer to the voice of God.

Your idea that if I hoour my father and mother, or do not steal that I am under the law is wrong. It only means I love my neighbour as myself.

and Leslie is 100% correct. MANY here are not christians. They teach lawlessness
---Francis on 6/21/11


//If you feel judged by me//

ROFL

on the contrary, you are just blessing me and others...thanks for the funny!
---aka on 6/21/11


\\If you follow Christ, you still MUST follow the law according to the Bible.\\

I hate to bring up this delicate subject again, but in the Torah, the marital act was limited only to certain days in a woman's cycle (oddly enough, her most fertile period). All other times, couples were expected to abstain.

In the New Testament, St. Paul says that married couples are NEVER to abstain, except by mutual consent"to devote each other to prayer, and then then to resume relations. Any other reason he calls INCONTINENCE--unchastity.

Which Biblical law applies, Leslie?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/11


If you follow Christ, you still MUST follow the law according to the Bible. Christians are NOT exempt from this, infact, they are to follow the law even more to show that they belong to God, if you do not obey the law you do NOT belong to Christ (Matt. 5:17-19, John 8:31-32, John 14:15, 21, 23, 24, John 15:10, Heb. 5:9, James 1:22-25, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 5:3).
---Leslie on 6/21/11


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Leslie, there is a line between God working in us to will and to do, and another of forcing yourself to do what you think you are suppose to do. SELF effort will not produce fruit.

Philippians 3 has a whole different criteria of our christian walk. That I may KNOW Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering.

You know too, some start the race 10 feet under, growing by leaps and bounds you may NEVER see to judge. And who are you to compare others to yourself? Christ is our measuring stick NOT YOU!
---kathr4453 on 6/21/11


As francis seems to be under the LAW ---kathr4453 on 6/21/11
What do you call " UNDER THE LAW?" IS it OBEDIENCE to THE LAW OF GOD?

If so then you are in trouble.
I obey 10/10 of the ten commandments, and have faith in Jesus as my saviour
Revelation 14:12 here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You keep 9/10 of the commandments. Are you not n danger, seing that you offend in one point?. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
and without repentance are you not then UNDER the condemnation of the law?
---Francis on 6/21/11


One needs to be MORE than a follower of Christ to be a Christian. And one needs to ask FOLLOWING WHAT?

Have you followed Him in death and resurrection life? Those who are Christs have crucified the flesh, or our old adam 1 in order to bring forth fruit unto God. Romans 7 state Israel had to die to the Law to be married to another..Christ. So now we produce the FRUIT of the SPIRIT, Love, Joy peace, longsuffering, patience ec. Against such there is no law.

As francis seems to be under the LAW, the fruit you seem to think you and he have is not coming from being dead to the Law.

So what fruit do YOU JUDGE others by?
---kathr4453 on 6/21/11


If you feel judged by me, it is NOT me judging you, but God through His Word judging you. A Christian is a FOLLOWER of Christ. How do you become a follower of Christ? 1st Repent (confess and turn from your sins) and Believe and Confess Jesus Christ died and rose and is Lord (Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9, Romans 10:9-10). 2nd you must Obey and Do God's Word and Commands (law), Love, Die to yourself and give everything, live holy (John 14:15, 1 John 2:3-6, John 13:34-35, 1 John 4:7-8, Luke 14:26-27,33, 1 Peter 1:15-16, 1 John 2:29). If you have not done those 2 steps, you are NOT a Christian (follower of Jesus).
---Leslie on 6/21/11


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Leslie,
What is a Christian anyway?
When you try to explain to an unbeliever how to become a Christian, Do you tell them they must first do everything commanded in the Bible? If they come to Jesus in repentance for their sins and accept Him as Savior, do you then say, "Well, you're not a Christian yet... keep working at doing everything the Bible says, and THEN you will be a Christian?" No I don't think you say that.

Yet you say you have proven 100% accurately (proven to whom?) that, among those who posted here, only francis and you are Christians.
---Donna66 on 6/21/11


Leslie, you are very eager to be hard on people/society (it's very common among humanity). You judge, evaluate, criticize, and decide that others are worthy of "penalty" as though you are BETTER THAN other people. Well, as God would have it, you are also hard on yourself (God built "poetic justice" into everything). You constantly need to redeem your conscience and your ego by causing others to feel "silly" and like they are "less" than you.

In order to truly be spirit-filled, you have to climb onto the cross to be with Jesus so that all of the sins/discrepancies and mistakes of humanity no longer matter.

Let GOD be the judge in justice, and let your heart be the judge in love (THE SPIRIT).
---more_excellent_way on 6/21/11


leslie....Is Frances your wife or are you both just in the same cult?
---KarenD on 6/21/11


I have PROVEN my point with 100% accuacy, that ONLY Francis that responeded is the TRUE Christian, ALL others that have responed thus far are FAKES. How do I know, ALL others (except Francis) have made responses that go AGAINST the Bible and with their own opinion - thus ALL others (except Francis) are "Christian" in name only and fans of Christ, but NOT followers, because they want it their own way, NOT God's way.
---Leslie on 6/21/11


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Leslie, I agree with you because most people don't know what the bible says. Those of us who have studied it for 28 years, even if we don't know Greek and Hebrew, we know that it says, "Father, that they may be one even as we are one" and "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." I think the word needs to become Spirit and Life to people by studying it over and over and Worshipping Father God, Lord Jesus and Holy Spirit. I do agree with you Leslie.
---Donna5535 on 6/21/11


Leslie you are 100% right.
the bible does say this:
Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

Most people here have their own bread ( doctrine) and apparel ( righteousness). they are just happy to call themselves christian
---francis on 6/21/11


Micha, I completely agree with your answer, and I'm very much guilty for been dragged into personal discussion when someone attacks my person or my family and makes up things I never said. I believe most of us will respond that way but not everyone as I can see by the answers some others give. It doesn't help those who are just beginning to learn as Christians. The "they" or "you" comments are made when someone does not agree with the answer. Another thing that I learn is that many speak for their denominations, others are very legalistic and want to send you to hell for breaking a law. Presenting the Truth is what really matters, and just let God do with His Word what He intends for it.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/11


Elena,

You said it. I don't know with what accent, but you said it.

God bless...keep searching and learning.
---aka on 6/21/11


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"What say you?" I say I am in no position to Judge. The Father, by His Grace, has given me to be a doer of His Word, as He grants me a working understanding of it, and empowers me to do so, not a Judge of it, or others. Who's to say my understanding of His word is any greater than the next man's. It ministers to me in the way Father has ordained for me. A way that is most conducive to my personal growth and enlightenment. I chose to judge the implementation of that in myself, rather than attempting to judge the walk of another. Leslie,The bible only testifies of Jesus, He is infinitely more than words on paper.
---joseph on 6/21/11


And that is nature of man, for we are most often eager to divide, ostracize and destroy those who do not fit our narrow perceptions of "usness". There is a lesson in the initial question for all of us who claim to know the Eternal Father and who so often neglect the common courtesies of merely being human.
---Allan on 6/21/11


When John 1 says "The Word was made flesh," you don't think it is some metaphor for Jesus being the perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible, do you?

Leslie, Jesus is GOD made flesh, not the Bible made flesh.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/11


Let me say this if I may... This blogg ChristiaNet..really good for people! All of us becuz you know we can or should not judge..I am so encouraged n yes! Reading & Learning from these bloggs! These forums! Who is to say people coud not get saved or become Christians! I am inspired! Thankyou ChristiaNet ! I love it! Maybe,I not what I should but Thank God I am not what I used to be! ELENA
---ELENA on 6/21/11


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Fruit is not just what people say they believe. Fruit has to do with good works of caring. And fruit has to do with how we are, spiritually, in the sight of God > "rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)
---Bill_willa6989 on 6/20/11


aka...you are truly blind and deaf.-Leslie on 6/15/11, How to Learn the Bible Blog.
Cluny - Do you call yourself a Christian?...-Leslie on 6/17/11, Will God Destroy Pork Eaters Blog.
Haz27...You and everyone like you is merly a fan of Christ NOT a follower.-Leslie on 6/20/11, All of Bible Doesn't Apply Blog.
-I'm guilty of this also, but maybe a little introspection before using 'They' and 'You' so much, and maybe after that a little truth in love and humility. maybe some meekness and kindness, a touch of encouragement.
This can be said for everyone's responses, including my own.
---micha9344 on 6/20/11


//What say you?//

what does it matter to you? anything that anybody says that does not agree with your interpretation is only an opinion.

i am not a follower of "Christ", i am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. what say you?
---aka on 6/20/11


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