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With Demons Heaven Bound

Can a person who has demons go to heaven when they die? Like a lying spirit, a spirit of fear, a demon of lust, etc.,

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lying, lust and other sins of the flesh are not demons. We can be saved and still fight the flesh. Paul had to die daily in the flesh. No one is going to heaven who is possessed of the devil or any demon.
---shira3877 on 7/5/11


Matthew 3:11: "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"
John 1:33 "And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."
John 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
---Nana on 7/5/11


"How about Baptism and the Eucharist, commanded by Jesus Himself?" Such statements look good but they will lead you astray.
Cluny, as you like to say, please cite chapter and verse to back up your statement. If baptism is essential, as I believe you believe, why is it that Jesus Christ himself baptized no one?
---mima on 7/5/11


anon, only those who believe by faith in the works of Christ and His resurrection go to heaven. He is the only way. Your question supposes that this people are unbelievers because believers cannot be possesed. They can be tempted but not possesed. Fear, lying, lust are products from within the flesh. The human nature is so corrupt that if it wasn't for God who restrains sin, we would have all killed ourselves. We sure are not as corrupt as we are capable of been.
---Mark_V. on 7/4/11


If demons do not influence you why DID Jesus need to rebuke the demon out of the boy in the grave yard he sure wern't no break dancer!!! be had no control over his own will....

I love the word becasue it exposes false teaches and those who can't be bothered to read it...

What on (earth) would the devil roam around seeking Whom he may devour if their are plenty of animals in the fielsd to bother!!!!!!

"Oh ye of little knowledge..."
---Carla on 7/4/11




All people sin and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
2. The wage of rebellion (sin) is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ. (Romans 6:23).
3. God demonstrates His own love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us (Romans 5:8).
4. Repent therefore and return, that your sins may be wiped away, (Acts 3:19).
5. By grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourself it is a gift of God, (Eph. 2:8).
6. If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, for with the heart man believes resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation, (Rom. 10:9,10).
---Mark_V. on 6/23/11


\\There are no rituals given in the New Testament and I don't believe in them either \\

How about Baptism and the Eucharist, commanded by Jesus Himself?

How about Anointing of the Sick, practiced by the apostles, and described in greater detail by St. James, where it's linked with audible confessions before the presbyters of the Church?

And so it goes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11


Cluny I understand that and perhaps the title"Sinners Prayer" has been sadly overused. Perhaps not everyone leading the sinner in prayers is skilled at doing it and would be better to just tell them to repent of their sins but don't have confidence enough to so without a set prayer. There are no rituals given in the New Testament and I don't believe in them either and I don't remember seeing any Bible verses saying salvation is instant for it does tell us to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior,2 Peter 3:18,and grace doesn't come from works only by faith Romans 5:2.
---Darlene_1 on 6/23/11


We are either saved or not, and that determines our "destiny". Demonic influence as well as possession are well documented in scripture, however, I believe that a true believer can not be possessed, but they may be influenced. That is why we are told to guard against the wiles of the enemy. We need to hear Gods voice, not the enemy's. WE are told that the enemy comes in sheep's clothing, that he comes to deceive even the elect IF it were possible. That being said, influence or not, we make the choice to sin or not to sin,and are accountable, so "the devil made me do it" does not fly.
---C on 6/23/11


\\Cluny I wonder if you really know what the Sinners prayer is,no disrespect intended? It isn't some church prayer or method. It is when a person sincerely repents of their sins and prays for God's forgiveness,any words they chose,no peconstructed format used\\

Darlene, I've seen too many sample "sinner's prayers" that say nothing about being a sinner, or even a sin, to take the ritual redemption "sinner's prayer for instant salvation" work seriously.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/11




//"Having demons," in the sense you are describing it, is a pentecostal/charismatic superstition and untrue.// Cluny

Cluny, I think you'd better tell this to Jesus. LOL!!!!

Jesus, did you know when you casted demons out of people that it is a Pentecostal and charmastic superstition and untrue.

Jesus, what do you say to Cluny? What was that Lord? He's wrong? I thought so too Lord Jesus. Thank you Father God, Lord Jesus and Holy Spirit for You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Thank you Lord.

---Donna5535 on 6/23/11


I agree with you Cluny. I once met a woman at a prayer meeting that said the devil was trying to make her believe she was coming down with a miserable cold but she refused to believe it, meanwhile she is spreading this illness to others--thanks ma'am! :/
---Mary on 6/22/11


mima, revealing someone's confession is a serious sin.

Furthermore, stories such as you have just related here are among the traps that demons lay for the undiscerning.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/11


Saying a demon causes these things is like saying, "The devil made me do it." You chose to sin!!!!!
---KarenD on 6/22/11


In church during prayer time a man came to me(I distinctly remember how hard he gripped my hand) and told me that a demon of anger almost constantly bothered him. I knew him a little bit and I was not surprised at his confession. When he asked what could be done about the problem we both agreed to pray for his deliverance. While we were still praying his countenance(his color) changed right before my eyes. He immediately recognized the change and was freed from the demon of anger from that day forth. Wild story but true.
---mima on 6/22/11


I do believe that demons exist, Donna66. I know they are filled with low cunning, intelliegence, and power beyond ours, to say nothing about millennia of experience.

But I do NOT believe they are omnipotent.

To say that someone has a "lying spirit" or "lust spirit" controlling him and making him lie or commit sins of the flesh is to attribute TOO much power to demons. They cannot MAKE us sin, because this involves a moral choice and act of the will.

A certain lady of my acquaintance became a charismaniac (deliberately chosen word) and blamed everything she didn't like on demons, including the results of her own bad choices. As you can guess, she's a very unhappy woman.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/22/11


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Donna I am very fond of you and I would never do anything to make you angry with me. My post was just an ill conceived attempt at making a joke. I apologize both to you and Cluny.
---mima on 6/22/11


mima-- In what way does my post put Cluny in a "bad light"? Why did you read some ulterior motive in to it? I was just asking a question. I could not tell from his post what, or whether he believes in demons. Just wanted clarification.
---Donna66 on 6/22/11


\\I'm confused. A person can't "have" demons, but can be "possessed" by them?
---Donna66 on 6/21/11\\

KarenD explained what I mean.

I said that "having demons" in the sense the original poster meant it is a SUPERSTITION. They are sins or temptations, NOT demons.

Temptations are to be rejected. Sins require repentance. Both involve moral choices.

Do you see the difference now?

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/22/11


Cluny I wonder if you really know what the Sinners prayer is,no disrespect intended? It isn't some church prayer or method. It is when a person sincerely repents of their sins and prays for God's forgiveness,any words they chose,no peconstructed format used. An Altar call is nothing in the World but giving a person a chance to repent of their sins and they are both Biblical in the sense people came to the Apostles and repented of their sins and prayed after hearing the Gospel preached and an Altar call and sinners prayer is the same thing. God doesn't recognize Denominational formats and rules of being saved as the only way,he accepts sincere repentance in ones heart,on a one by one basis.
---Darlene_1 on 6/22/11


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Once at the sea wall in Mazatlan Mexico I approached a man and begin to witness to him. Suddenly and without cause he turned on me and bared his teeth towards me just as a cornered wild animal would do, then from his lips came a string of cuss words.
After returning to my bench and praying I realized that I had just dealt with a demon.
---mima on 6/22/11


"I'm confused. A person can't "have" demons, but can be "possessed" by them?"
---Donna66 on 6/21/11

Donna please refrain from posting like this as it puts my friend Cluny in a very bad light.
---mima on 6/22/11


Cluny has obviously led a sheltered life, I dont aspire to teach becasue I am not a teacher but I know my bible and I am familiar with experiencing people whom are nolonger the soul that you once know and operate in another rhelm. the world calls it schizopheina the bible calls them demons.

Thsoe whom answer you in scorn, At the mention of the name of Jesus, can be casted out in the right circumatances.

No demons that has posseded a person can enter into a Holy place and remain.
simple as, Holy is God holy is the life you aspire to live.

Wisdom tells you demons will try, experience tells you that they know who you are and dont stay for long.
---Carla on 6/22/11


Besides the fact that nobody goes to heaven when he/she dies, a person having a lying spirit, a spirit of fear or a demon of lust will not inherit
eternal life. Such a person would be ill at ease on the new earth and God want us to be happy there, not complaining
for HAVING TO LIVE there!
---Pierre on 6/21/11


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cluny---
//"Having demons," in the sense you are describing it, is a pentecostal/charismatic superstition and untrue.//
BUT
//In the case of a full-scale possession (such as in the movie and novel THE EXORCIST), the person's will is suspended, and is therefore the person is not morally culpable for acts done in a state of possession//.

I'm confused. A person can't "have" demons, but can be "possessed" by them?
---Donna66 on 6/21/11


Lying spirit, spirit of fear and lust are not signs of demonic possession. They are sins and that person with those sins in his/her life cannot possibly be saved. If you love Jesus you will KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS as HE said.
---KarenD on 6/21/11


\\Some believe in purgatory and call Mary holy but the Bible does neither. \\

Some people believe in altar calls and thinking you can be saved by saying sinner's prayers, but the Bible does neither.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/11


The person can go to heaven the demons cannot. We find this spoken of in Scripture in first Corinthians 15:52, which says,"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." And without this change taking place no one would be clean enough to go to heaven.
Some believe in purgatory and call Mary holy but the Bible does neither. The Bible does talk of many people having demons. Just a little food for thought.
---mima on 6/21/11


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"Having demons," in the sense you are describing it, is a pentecostal/charismatic superstition and untrue.

Some people, of course, are more susceptible to some temptations and sins than they are to others. These are usually called "besetting sins" in moral theology. Some Protestant writers call these "strongholds."

But we are responsible for our sins, as they involve moral choices and acts of the will.

In the case of a full-scale possession (such as in the movie and novel THE EXORCIST), the person's will is suspended, and is therefore the person is not morally culpable for acts done in a state of possession.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/21/11


Since demons come upon people because of unrepented of sins and unforgiveness, if they do not repent or forgive then yes they will not enter into Heaven. As far as demons go, demons are not allowed into Heaven like sin and unforgiveness, but a demon-possessed person if they repent, forgive, and put their trust in Jesus Christ will enter into Heaven. Demons have no say so on who enters Heaven, but lack of repentance and forgiveness, and lack of trusting in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior determines that you do not enter into Heaven.
---Leslie on 6/21/11


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